I spoke to God today and he told me that religion forums are evil

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   Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydXJ1J_ … re=related

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      Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone should watch the above video.  Bookmarked.
      
      James Akins, the guy that starts off the above video is also one of the old guys that are trying to warn the people of the US in this video.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSp-oIOhq00

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         pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         According to Mr Watkins...he has failed in every venture he has ever started...he ain't going no where.

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            Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Who is this Mr Watkins that you are referring to?

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   "the truth"?

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   Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

   you've heard of it?

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   topgunjagerposted 14 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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   Ashanti_Roseposted 14 years ago

   I'd definitely recommend the doctor

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   Pacal Votanposted 14 years ago

   Is this the infamous 'I spoke to God today' thread?
   Well, in that case, I spoke to God today. Told him I wanted some peace already. But he didn't bother to answer.

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      frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He will have heard you Pacal - especially if he has the skills and abilities he's supposed to possess. It's likely that he thought you didn't need it, as he knows you're able to handle life's hiccups
      
      Or he may have simply run out of peace
      
      And what a change ... a thread that's descended into snipey comments. lol - don't you just love consistency!
      
      Morning earnest (and the above was not levelled at you btw), how is your world the day?

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I am fine thanks frogdropping, it is late though, and I am about to retire for the night. Keep well.

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            frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thankyou - and you sleep well

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe you weren't listening.

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   Oh boy, it seems "unawakened" may be the next annoying catch phrase we have to endure.

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      Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It's another term for ignorance.  It's not a new term.  Understand also this forum is a religious/spiritual one and not solely Christian.  Awakening is not an uncommon term.

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   But it seems ripe for banality

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      Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      On the contrary. It prevents banality, also anality, rigidity, stupidity and so and so on.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Jewels!

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            Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi ernest. Hope you're good.  Off for a month of spiritual practices soon, have a great festive dinner and New Years party. Catch you next year if not before.

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   lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

   This is my all time favorite thread thanks

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      Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      pleasure is all mine

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    I just gotta keep telling you I love this thread dude

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    still lovin it

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    love you Bovine, I mean God xo

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    Jewelsposted 14 years ago

    Christian charismatics glendoncaba? Is that another term for an Evangelical Christian?
    
    Christians would not be the closest to the paradigm of experience, especially as they look toward a third person to have the experience on their behalf.  Early Christians certainly had the experience, and also modern day Christians who know that the way to Christ consciousness is within and not outward.
    
    Your understanding of the Word is not the same as other doctrines of the Word.  The Word is not Scriptures.  The Bible is not the Word in many religions.  Even the Koran is not The Word.  Word does not refer to anything written.  It has nothing to do with the alphabet.  In your religion you have interpreted the Word as scriptures, that which has been written by man, as their interpretation of what they think God said.  'God' didn't give dictation.  But it is the fervent right of every Christian Evangelist to make sure it's flock believes the word is the written alphabet of God.  So this is your Sola Scriptura.  Good for you if that's what you want to believe.
    
    Where the evil is in this understanding of a doctrine, is that you read, you therefore believe but you don't experience.  It becomes a 'literal' translation for something which is in effect a principle.
    
    'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  Through the Word, all things came to be. And not one thing had its being without the Word.'
    
    From the words of John, you can therefore see without any doubt that he was not referring to a bible (book), because life existed before the 'book' was written.  To therefore refer to Sola Scriptura as the Word is ridiculous.  The interpretation of Word had nothing to do with a book.
    
    The Word is the principle of Life.  In John's Gosptel:  'In the Word was Life, and the Life was the Light of men' - John 1:4
    
    Life in this context is that which was experienced by man prior to the Fall.  The state of consciousness was not corrupted as it is now.  The principle of Life is not the bible or 'sola scriptura.'
    
    Life is not just existence of man, it is LIFE, meaning living the fullest one can live.  If one was to live as God does (Life) it would be a life without fear and embued with a fullness, no limits, full awakening of consciousness.  Such a state is rare as the fire to hold such a state is unbearable to most.  You don't become a bible, you become LIFE.
    
    So I do understand your interpretation of Sola Scriptura.  Do you understand that it is not the Solar Logos?

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       glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Charismatics are christians who believe in primacy of spiritual gifts and whose worship is usually charismatic (based on experience of spiritual manifestations such as speaking in tongues etc)
       
       Logos.  Did you see smiley beside it.
       
       I was using your term back to you.  You did not get the serious humour.
       
       Logos = 1.  Expression of thought and when used generally by me it is the revealed will of God.
               2.  Logos as used by John in John 1 is the Personal Word, Christ, the personal manifestation of divine nature.
       
       Other Greek words used in Bible for 'word' such as rhema, epos, chrestologia, and so on.
       
       I am happy to see we are finally having a discourse. 
       
       Here is the million dollar question:  Are you claiming to experience the pre-Fall state of existence when you enter your state of higher consciousness?  Or is it just a case of biochemistry and a good feeling? 
       
       Could such a feeling be attained chemically without philosophy or religion?  And is it not common to many so called primitive religions with aid of mind altering drugs?

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          Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Logos= Ancient Greek term for Word.  Has nothing to do with reason.
          
          I have experienced the pre-fall state of existence on numerous occasions.  Biochemistry is a result of feeling, whilst in a physical body you cannot completely have one without the other being effected in some way.  There is a misconception or misunderstanding that biochemistry is effected by states of consciousness in addition to physical environmental factors.  It is proven and mapped through science that biochemistry changes dramatically in a positive way through meditation, particularly for long term meditators.
          
          I know people have altered states of consciousness using drugs.  I do not advocate the use of drugs for attaining high states of consciousness that can be and are achieved by meditation.  The risks of psychosis become higher when drugs are involved.

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             glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             So you are specifically referring to out of body experience otherwise called astral travel achieved through meditation?

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                Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                You don't have to astral travel to have this experience.  Astral travelling is specific, it means to have movement outside the body and have consciousness of it.  There are many states you can experience while astral travelling, and there are many experiences you can have while out of the body.  Also there are many experiences you can have while meditating but still have a sense of the body in an expanded form.

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             Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Incorrect.

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                Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Hmmmm!  Not easy to argue on this, I'm not wanting to be disagreeable.  But we may have a sense of word gravity here.  In that Word in an esoteric sense is not about the thinking mind.  Define your understanding of reason.  Unless it's the initial ability to recognize or perceive, this would come close but it's not what I understand as the definition.  That which is manifest was created from the Word - from the principle of Life.
                
                It applies to creation/creating. As in the power of the voice in a primordial sense.  Talking the creation of archetypes.
                
                So in a sense your definition does not simplify but confuses by taking the meaning to be that which the mind can grasp and this term is beyond the ordinary mind.  It's not about words or reason.

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                   Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I think BC is using Logos in the Aristotelian sense. as one of the three pillars of rhetoric (the one most closely corresponding to reason). I'm pretty sure Aristotle used logos in that way long before the first Greek translations of the Bible were made, which gives it a substantial pedigree.

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                      Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      You are so dependable Paraglider.

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                         Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I see you are back - carry on

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                            Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            That Logos comment was gold.  You really made my day   I had been biting my tongue just waiting for it.
                            
                            Cheers mate.

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                      Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Hmmmmm, I'm not aligning it to the bible either.  Have to agree to disagree on the pedigree also.  No harm done.  Hope BC didn't bite too hard.  A bloody tongue and words go well together. 

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                         Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I'm not claiming Greek scholarship, just observing Aristotle's usage and vintage

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    Still going
    
    I love it.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    Thought I'd show off my tatt
    
    It means the second coming of christ.
    
    And yes, I am jesus.

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       Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Which body part are you going to put it on?

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          Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I already have it
          
          That is my arm in the photo.  Inner forearm.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    bump

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    neither it was a dream hon

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    @glendocaba
    
    Logos, from Greek = word, reason.
    
    I.e. the word of reason.

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       lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Bovine your my hero

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          Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks babe

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       glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       sure, this simplifies it, but did not want to box it into easy categories like logos, pathos, ethos of classic rhetoric.
       
       Want to broaden logos to include the Personal Logos, the Christ, the active divine agent of life and Creation.

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          lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The last thing it does is simplify it but rather justifies it, sorry but I believe your wrong, very wrong

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             glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             We are talking about etymology here.  Go ahead, educate me.  I am not a Greek specialist but I was simply talking about meaning of Greek logos.
             
             evidently we are talking about 2 things.  Wrong about what.
             
             bovine was breaking down meaning of word.  and I agreed, but reason narrows it down a bit.  Logos is reason and more.  It is expression of thought, something said, which includes reasoning and reason, hence logics.
             
             Logos in purest sense is Christ the reason, cause, energy of Creation.

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                Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                You can't use the mind when using this term.  It becomes bastardized terribly.
                
                Understand that Christ consciousness is a state of being.  Christ consciousness has naught to do with a personal God with arms and legs.  This is something terribly misunderstood.  Arms and Legs is YOU, who is to attain the state of consciousness within yourself.

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                Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Wrong again.

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             Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I agree lyricsingray.  Personalizing the Word lessons the meaning dramatically and in doing so completely changes what the meaning is supposed to be.  This sort of simplifying is what results in the misinterpretation of the bible in the first place.

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          Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Excepting the fact that Christ has nowt to do with the ACTUAL meaning of Logos?

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    Jewelsposted 14 years ago

    However, to have experiences of states pre-fall there is a loss of sensation in the body.  Within the state there is a 'floating' in and out of consciousness. Not easy to stay conscious of it.  It's not necessarily astral travelling though.

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       glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       OK.  Understand.  At the core of this is the individual spiritual experience of peace, wellbeing, peak etc.  what about being vulnerable to external spiritual forces when you abandon your will?  the main reason conservative Christians like me dont do it.
       
       We believe in primacy of will to make decisions.  And altered states make you rely less on will and open to influences.  tell me about that.

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          AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I thought conservative Christians abandoned their will to God

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             glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             God has a great problem in universe.  Never acts against our will.  Hence 'whosoever' of John 3:16.
             
             Christians 'choose' God.  Then we abandon self, or as song says "Let me lose myself and find it Lord in Thee."

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             tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You're thinking about Muslims.

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                AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Muslims too. But I was an evangelical Christian for five years, and this was certainly part of it

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                   glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   You abandon your independence but not your will.  You learn to depend on christ, on Word.  Daily war against self. 
                   
                   Each day women look prettier to me so war get worse.  For Christian monogamist like me.

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                      AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Not seeing the difference here...

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                         glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Christ cannot save you without you.  Your will is not so much abandoned as one with Christ.

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          Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I don't surrender my Will, but have learned to hold integrity in these spaces.  One of the disciplines is discernment.  Vision expands dramatically, as does the states you reach.  The core of the individual is not just an experience of peace.  Bliss is one state.  The intensity of fire increases, fire equates to higher levels of 'love' and not to 'Satan' as implied through Christian teachings.  Fire in Hindu teachings is Agni - it's the fire of the Divine, which is the fire within.  As this happens, there is a burning of the lower states of consciousness which is how one falls into and hopefully passes through the dark night of the soul.  This term is common in Christian theology and among Christian monks.  It is not a term solely applied to Christians but to other esoteric teachings.  Most people get stuck in this, the dark night of the soul is not easy to overcome and can take months and years to sort out and pass through.

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             glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Promise me you wont get angry and defensive.  But I must now filter this info through christian lenses.
             
             I believe that you have had these experiences.  And that you have been exposed to secret knowledge of metaphysics.  But does this answer the thirst of soul in a complete way like gospel of Christ? 
             
             During experience you are still part of human family which is mortal.  And at end of experience you return to life as usual.  gospel says salvation is in Christ who will come back and end this present age.  Then all creation will ENTER THE STATE OF BLISS YOU DESCRIBE.  Except we will become immortal.

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                Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I am not permanently able to hold those high states, so yes, it's business as usual back here as a human being.  Have to eat, sleep and earn a living like everyone else.  Though my standpoint has changed to what it was 10 years ago.  The most difficulty I have is coming down from those high states into the grossness experienced in day to day living.  The human state is very corrupt and difficult to hold integrity within it. Knowing and having experienced the difference is part of the difficulty.
                
                The thirst of the soul requires transformation/transcendence and this is possible through internal practices and awareness that we are more than the physical/animal body.  The 'Body of Immortality' in the tradition I follow, is the transformation of the Soul and the retention and evolution of consciousness as a permanent state.  This is achieved over many lives and not just one, which most likely doesn't sit well with many.  It does with me and is in line with my experiences.

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    Jewelsposted 14 years ago

    The last part of your statement is hard to see.  Because humanity as a whole is so corrupt, unfortunately even the normal person has no idea how corrupt they are, or how lacking they are in understanding their own state of mind.  I don't believe salvation is going to happen by some external means.  From my own study I see that 'Jesus' was meant to be a model to follow and not someone who was going to save the masses.  Same with Buddah - it's a model.  Something dramatic has to change for people to see that it's within where 'Christ' is.  Salvation is in Christ - sure, but Christ is inside, not external.

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    itcollposted 14 years ago

    I myself would like to God some day.that would be so much fun

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    B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 14 years ago

    as Dave Mustain put it:
    " what do you mean I dont believe in god, I talk to him every day, what do you mean I dont support your system, I go to court when I have to , and what do you mean I cant get to work on time, got nothing better to do, and what do you mean I dont pay my bills, why do you think Im broke ..huh..
    If theres a new way, Ill be the first in line, it better work this time..
    Peace Sells but Who's Buying...

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    Maybe you should hub that one.

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    Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago

    hehe - logos. It is one of the many Greek words that cannot be translated directly into English! If you ask a Greek to translate it, they will shrug their shoulders
    
    I believe that the original root does stem from 'word' and 'speech' (the same root as legw - to speak). The philosophical implication came from the idea that if one can speak, one can reason. Like many Greek (and English) words, meanings drift over time.

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       Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well, you're the reporter on the ground, for all things Greek. I've only read Aristotle in translation, and not in a 'word for word' translation. Does that mean I don't know what I'm talking about? Quite possibly

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          Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Join the club - I have a friend who is teaching me Modern Greek and he is also careful to teach me where the words come from. Sadly, although the modern Greek is coming along, the ancient is a completely different animal and I understand little.
          
          That is one of the reasons why I cannot take New Testament word-for-word literalism seriously - it is impossible to translate directly from Greek to English

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             Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hi Sufi, long time no see.  Always good to read you.
             
             No doubt Logos = Word.  It's the meaning of Word that's in question.  In the Masonic tradition The Lost Word is referred to as the (fallen) principle of Life.  And it aligns to John 1:4 "In the Word was Life, and the Life was the Light of men." 
             
             Life here refers to an emanation of the Sun - Solar.  The Sun God was of course what was worshipped by the pagans, and Ra in the Egyptian myths. In Christian literature Christ Consciousness is the source (Sun).  The Sun is the center of the human universe.  The Solar Logos becomes the Word from the source = creation/emanation.  It's a stretch of the imagination, but it's the esoteric meaning that I'm aware of.

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             Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Where do I start....
             
             First, what problems that might exist in "literal translation" have no bearing on whether or not true meaning can be communicated between languages. "There is a lion in the street" propositionally conveys a true meaning regardless of whether the full context is transmitted from one language to the next.
             
             Second, but more to the point, the ancient text conveys to us actual people involved in the creation of actual events. Just because we cannot know these events exhaustively or "literally" does not mean that we cannot know something of them truly.
             
             Third, I hope you have a better reason for not taking the Bible seriously than whatever obstacles you perceive in "literalism." I can't imagine being an atheist/agnostic and saying "I just can't believe the Bible because it's not possible to convey the ancient language from its ‘then’ usage to our English."
             
             If God is omniscient and timeless, he has perfect knowledge of the nature of the transmission of the text. How is it that an all-knowing, timeless, and all-powerful Being would be bound by something so paltry as the obstacles you mention? He would know the result of the English text in the 21st century with no more effort than He knew it when it was penned by human authors. Such a Being could shape events so that his Book would result, word-for-word, to be exactly what he wanted it to be.

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    fierycjposted 14 years ago

    Thou hast heard the voice of God...

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       Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi fierycj, how are you?

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       Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       There you are! How are things going?

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    fierycjposted 14 years ago

    Hello Paraglider...I'm good. What's up?
    
    Hi Sufiman...been great? whats kicking?

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    Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago

    Lots of work at the moment, although I am having a bit of a break and catching up with HP
    
    How is the movie coming along?
    
    PS - Congrats to Nigeria for qualifying - here's to a great World Cup!

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       fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Shooting to commence soon...

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          fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the qualification congrats...it was a narrow one...

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    While we are on topic,
    
    Interested to know what people think of the word Hades.

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       Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What have you got for us BC?

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       aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It has a nice tone to it HEY--DEE--Z.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    just throwin it out there

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       Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The Underworlds.  All things occult (not cult).  That which is hidden.  The power to corrupt and be corrupted.  Could be seen as the 'dark side' of our conscious, or that which reflects the light through darkness.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    The sun, it shines light where there was once no light
    
    What is darkness but the absence of light
    
    With no light, what do we see?
    
    With no light, what do we know?
    
    The illuminati,
    
    the givers of light,
    
    the illumination, the giving of light, of vision
    
    The masons go back a long way back
    
    The Egyptians have no god higher than truth
    
    The Masons can be traced back to Ancient Egypt
    
    
    Look for James Anderson, a masonic scribe.
    
    The wisest of all is the one whom knows nothing
    
    You only keep what you have by giving it away

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       Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Nice Agree - the more you learn the more you know you don't know anything.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    thoth is the scribe of the egyptian gods, Maat is his female counterpart and as the myths go, Maat will read your deeds at the time of death.  These two will keep you safe.

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    Jewelsposted 14 years ago

    Till tomorrow. Nite all.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    Har-oeri, the master of light and life

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