How low will the Right Wing go to stop the health Care Reform Bill?

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Friendlywordposted 14 years ago
We passed another hurdle Saturday night. What does the Right Wing plan to do now. Will they finally come over from the darkside and start working for the people of this country? Will they keep to same old tired lies and scare tactics? Will they find some new outrageous tactics to use against the people of this Country? Yes, they will now be working against the people of this Country if they continue to fight against the Health Care Bill. They can see the polls just like you and me. So they know what the American People want. Will they be with us, or against us?

I'm thinking the conservative Democrats will stick with their Party, and some of the clear thinking Republicans will join them to send a Health Care Bill to the President.

What do you think is going to happen?
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  Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dont think they can use the same tired arguments or scare tactics going forward. They risk looking desperate and pitiful. I cant think of any new material they can come up with. I think they are going to start working with the Democrats on the Bill.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And this thread is going to disintegrate into the "same tired arguments or scare tactics"
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The real question is "how low will the left wing go to pass it?"
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Get ready for an awakening!
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The so called "right wing" that you are referring to seem to be the only one's concerned with the "people" this country, and the Constitution! The arrogance of the democrats is appalling and outrageous! What is being proposed, is first and foremost, unconstitutional! These bills being proposed by congress are outside of the scope of their authority granted to them by the States, and the people as stated in the Constitution.
  
  There are a number of states that offer universal health care. Those that wish to obtain that "benefit" should vote for it by moving. That's how this republic was set up and that's how we "right wing extremists" that believe in the constitution and the vision of our founding fathers want it to stay!
  
  The federal government has NO AUTHORITY to FORCE upon INDIVIDUALS a requirement to buy ANYTHING or to decide for ME what is for the "GOOD" of society!
  
  If you hate freedom then you will support this bill. If you hate America, you will support this bill.
  
  I suggest if you wish to receive government handouts you have many options. You can move to Venezuela, or Cuba, or China, or a host of other places that will cater to your wishes, but please, don't FORCE you vision of "good" upon me! Thank you!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sarah Palin
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If this mess passes, we will actually be required to PAY to be a citizen. It has come to that.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AFTER this passes, the mess that currently exists will begin to form into a system that actually makes sense.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh, so that's your religion!
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
What do you think the right has do to stop it? Thats how low.
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
In other words, keep using fear tactics.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The fear comes from the left. Their top commercials like; My family will lose their house in two years, when I get cancer.
  
  Union thugs beat up innocent people, like in St. Louis.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just realized you're a Canadian; are you coming here for like many do?
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
It doesn't work in your country what makes you think it will here?
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sneako…Do you approve of the health care system that is now serving Americans?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a trick question! The answer is no but, I'm a Christian and I don't want to pay for abortions, illegals, welfare recipients and I don't want to sit in line. When I go to the doctor if I have to wait 30min I leave. With whats being proposed people like me will never see a doctor and still have to pay for it.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you pay auto insurance, house insurance?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's virtually none I don't pay and thats why I don't want to pay for other people.
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did't realize you were a super-selfish christian.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look When I go to the doctor it takes me less then 2hrs and I get right back to work. The key is I have workers and families that need paychecks. Do you want me to wait and have everybody miss a days work while I'm sitting in a waiting room? If you can convince my workers it's for the best we can cross that off the list. You know theres no Christian that wants to pay for abortions. I follow my churches policy: Ok for rape, incest and the life of the mother once that it is directed by an appropriate medical authority. No late term or partial birth abortions ever.
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't give a rats ass about stupid abortion belief...and i certainly don't give a schit about anybody's church policy.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're an angry little rat!
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  we don't know what the final bill will say. but I have to say, whether you are christian or whatever, we live in a country full of different kinds of people, different beliefs, different cultures, religions. it's called tolerance. because you're a christian, you don't want to ........ does that make you better than someone else who needs health care and does not believe in your religion? sad, sad, sad!!!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So we should be forced to pay for abortions?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, I'm Jewish and I feel the same. In our country you get what you earn, I think the British found that our systems work well many times.
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  why is that a trick question? just curious.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because nobody is saying it's perfect but there are other ways to go. Like tort reform it limits insurance companies and atorneys. It will reduce the cost signifigantly! Then the percentage of Americans that can afford will go up. The others I sugested above would also reduce costs. Inreaseing the percentage again. Can you really look a Christian in the eye and say you have to pay for abortions? Would you expect them to say great idea?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what do so-called christians have against "illegals" and "welfare recipients?"
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ironically, if abortions were more accessable world-wide, there would be fewer illegals and welfare recipients, and more of Sneako's "real Christians" per capita. What a quandry for the self-righteous!
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  RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Stop it you, with yer gersh darned logic n stuff!
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  Siotoshposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Talking about logic's I just had a logical though, is it possible that the immaculate conception did not accrue. Is it possible a date rape drug was used, there was actually a case like that in England. It was the good old health service that solved the mystery. Could it be because of the absence of health care we were handed Christianity
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you think your logical!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ron your bus is leaving!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you know this; how?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry my fault that was a comment from a taxpayer.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  a christian hypocrite taxpayer, no less.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  At least I pay my taxes, boy is that a poney tail?
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't want to pay for wars (the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people). I'm a taxpayer, too.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're a party-poop, so you don't count.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey now, there's no call for that
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Theres nothing wrong with a good war every now and then!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we apparently need it to inject a sense of masculinity in the testosterone-depressed armchair soldiers we have in this country. Well, and the military-industrial complex needs a market for its goods.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you a woman?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you THAT lonely?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was thinking that you two could hook-up at your next gay-pride parade.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you calling me a lesbian?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm an apprentice.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't give up your dream!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not Christian, but do you not understand what illegal means.
  Welfare is not supposed to be for generations.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What makes you think it doesn't work? Yes, there are problems that are being looked into but overall I am very happy with it. The longest I have sat in my doctor's office is about 20 minutes.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ask your provider this,"If I need an MRI as a diagnostic tool how long would I have to wait? Let me know his answer, we can get them instantly.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And how much does that cost you?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know the answer, I just had one, with my insurance $600. In canada I know for a fact MRI are not available to be used as a diagnostic tool and most are done in the US.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Less MRI's are done in Canada than the US, however: "The supply of magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and computed tomography (CT) scanners in Canada increased significantly over four years, according to a new report from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI). Medical Imaging in Canada, 2007 reports that in 2007, there were 419 CT scanners and 222 MRI machines installed and operational in Canada, up from 325 and 149, respectively, in 2003. In the most recent year, between 2006 and 2007, the number of CT scanners increased by 27 and the number of MRI scanners increased by 21. The rate of MRI and CT exams performed per 1,000 population in Canada rose by 43% and 28%, respectively, in the four years between 2003 and 2007, and rose by 4% and 5%, respectively, in the most recent year."
  
  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/119356.php
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That wasn't my statement or question.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If not available as a diagnostic tool, what is an MRI used for?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As in emergencies only.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which the article I posted shows to be untrue.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The numbers are fine but a group of canadian doctors pointed out some of the deficientcies in alberta, the most wealthy area in canada, due to the oil. These doctors said a routine MRI won't happen and when its done it's done thru your private service or here in the states. Do they get reinbursed for the additional cost? No.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And in emergencies it is still a diagnostic tool. Thats what an MRI is. Emergency or not. And most doctors in the US don't order an MRI unless there is a pertinent reason either.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The point is they can't it's not availble. If you're having headaches more severe than normal, no CT. The reason that actress died of that head injury was because they have no lifeflight the drive took to long once they realized she was bleeding internally.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm pretty sure she denied medical treatment and went home to take a nap.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Review the story, and what if thats your boy and he could be saved and you get to hold him while he dies. How would you vote after it's too late?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She was an adult and made her own choices.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They missed the diagnosis and when theyrealized their mistake there was no way to fix it.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you don't think this could have happened in the US? And actually, there is not proof that a mistake was made.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It does, but not do to lack of services or a limited availability.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, she was advised to stay in the hospital and then checked herself out.
  
  I got a CT scan when I had fallen down and banged my head.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When it was realized she was bleeding internally she could have been saved had she been flown to a major medical facility but there was no flight they don't exist!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Life flights do exist, there was none at the ski resort where she was.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying your heathcare system exactly as comprehensive as ours? And are you going to say that canadians don't come to the US for health care issues when time is a factor.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Some do...those who can afford to pay it.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do they have to?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because many of them feel they are too important not to get what they want right now...most are not for life-threating conditions.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do my geriatric patients get their prescriptions from Canada then? Neither system is perfect, and there will always be people who cross borders because they think it is best for them. So be it.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where do they get their treatment?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In South Florida. And if you are going to suggest they fly to Canada 2 or 3 Xs a week (the average # of doctors appointments for a geriatric patient) to receive treatment, I will laugh.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Geriatric treatment in Florida should be awesome!
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It could be better. But prescription medications are crazy expensive, so as far as being "awesome" not so much.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How would you feel if the waiting caused complications that could compromise their health or life?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you always get the doctor you want, and the tests you need.
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  Siotoshposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not what your country can do for you, it's what you can do for your country. A country that can not guarantee basic health care for all it's people, is not worthy of its people
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  Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You Go Boy!!!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Reread your quote, its not what government can do. Quit snorting stuff you have it all over your face!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And where is that in the constitution? Obama did swear to uphold the constitution.
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  RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can't help but point out that the reform wouldn't change our system to a socialist (aka universal) health care system anyway. That is not being proposed at all.
  Whether or not such a system in Canada or Australia or wherever is working has no bearing on the argument in question.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you personally will garantee that?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The option that has your panties in such a wad isn't even being discussed in congress. Your Fox-News-inspired paranoia keeps you from making a logical argument.
  
  Happy teabagging. (no, not the fun kind)
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ronny your moms calling you!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it's your wife. You really do spend too much time on the computer.
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  Siotoshposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did you know Jesus had free health care, he did not pay Luke a penny.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You really need to quit snorting stuff!
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shazwellynposted 14 years ago
Us in the UK moan about our NHS. But we wouldnt do without it. I guess Brits just moan! x
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We all moan when we need.
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wyanjenposted 14 years ago
"...But it is very clear that federal funds cannot be used for abortion coverage or care. So that’s where he struck the balance."

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/19/wh … reid-langu

"...Pro-choice lawmakers have backed the Reid language, while the National Right to Life Committee has called it “completely unacceptable.”

November 19, 2009
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habeeposted 14 years ago
I want every U.S. citizen to be covered. I don't want insurance to be denied for pre-existing conditions. I'm on the fence about the public option. What I don't like is the deal BO made with Pharma. I felt as if he "sold us down the river." That's my biggest health-related cost (prescription drugs).

We have one group of dems say they will not vote for any bill that doesn't have the public option, along with another group of dems who say they won't vote for any bill with the public option. Somebody is going to have to compromise. I also like the repub's idea about tort reform. It should be in the bill.
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  maven101posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tort reform is an absolute must....Public option is a misnomer when a board of bureaucrats is going to weigh and decide matters of life and death...Health care is a personal responsibility, not a government mandate...keep government the hell away from my decisions..
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  EXCELLENT!
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  Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does anybody actually know what tort reform is? What it means is doctors no longer have to be careful. They dont have to care if they KILL YOU. You or your family would not be able to sue for any more than the insurance company that represents that doctor says you can sue for. Did you even know that? If you did; never mind...
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That means there would be set awards for damages, which should reduce insurance costs.
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  Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok Sneak, You finally did it. I'm speechless, I can't talk I cant think. I gotta leave my own forum before I get banned again. Bye
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have the squirts again! You need to see when the next appt in canada will be! Do you have a moblie phone?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, that is not what it means.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
She was at Mont Tremblant right? I've been there. My uncle was hurt on the hill, took amazing care of him. She made a choice to go home. I've checked out my sister against medical advice. No one can know whether it is a big deal or not. Of course someone can be bleeding internally and not know it. Even if medical personnel had suggested she had a CT, she could have denied it.

Point is they didn't miss any diagnosis, anyone who falls they take all precautions necessary just in case. She just thought that she was ok.

My uncle fell on the mountain, they offered him all care possible. Little rest with the medics and he was fine though.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't rationalize, accept there will be service failures directly resulting from the lack of financial incentive to innovate.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Umm no. I can rationalize. Because in the US healthcare is a business, and I work in health. And no I do not make a life affecting decision based on financial incentive, and neither have any of the doctors I work for.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I posted months and months ago a list of the innovations that have come out of Canada, and London Girl mentioned the innovations that have come out of the UK. Most research and innovations are made at the University level and Canada has some of the best teaching hospitals in the world.
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
I was right, the same old tired arguments. You tell me not to have a say in your health care debate and then run down my countries health care that you have never experienced.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tet me see,"We don't have any problems with our healthcare and it's better than whats available in the states!"
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
Did I ever say that?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you know thats not true why would you suggest we change?
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
The title of this thread is misleading and biased.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sarah Palin
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean?
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Yeah, I'm moaning over here because my self-employed husband has been turned down by 3 different insurance companies for coverage for one simple reason. His BMI says he is "morbidly obese." In order to have an acceptable BMI he would have to weigh under 200 lbs. He has not been under 200 lbs since he played football in high school.

We live in constant fear that one day I'll have to call an ambulance and that will be the end of our house and retirement. It's a very real fear.

I honestly don't understand how ANYONE could oppose this bill.It will not affect anyone curently covered. Are you as threatened by Medicare? Will you refuse to participate in that, too???
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's really horrible about your husband. I've heard similar stories from several people I know.
  
  Most of the opposition to health care reform seems to come from people who can't do math and/or imagine they're immortal.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know that and I don't believe it is at all true.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not true , for working Americans their young and elderly included. Illegals and welfare recipients no.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to hear about your health care struggles. Are you aware that even if the bill passes, it will be five years before anyone is covered by it?
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wsp2469posted 14 years ago
The bottom line is if they don't want to get rid of all the illegal aliens that leech off our tax dollars then they should at least set things up so that actual citizens can get medical assistance when THEY need it, too.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats getting closer to ok.
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Actually, most of the opposition comes from people whose mantra is, "I got mine, keep your hands off it and screw everybody else."
The irony is they only have "theirs" because they happen to be covered by an employer plan. They have no real concept of the true cost of that coverage because they are not paying it. They would be in for one RUDE-ASS awakening if they ever lose that job and have to pay COBRA fees to continue coverage.

And,the truth of the matter is the people they don't want to extend benefits to (e.g., illegals, etc) already are receiving health services. They are just not paying for them. Guess who is? Yep,the people who ARE insured. So by covering those people we (the country) would actually be expanding the risk pool which will ultimately LOWER the costs per person.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know that and I don't believe it is at all true.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sarah Palin
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
That Health Care Reform Bill didn't go far enough. It didn't include the casket and burial fees as part of the coverage.
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C.J. Wrightposted 14 years ago
There is absolutely NOTHING the Right Wing can do to stop this. If the Democrats were so absolutely sure this was the right thing to do, it would be done already. There are not enough Republican votes to stop them. Moderate Democrats are the ones holding this bill up. Who would have thought? Good for them. While there is a need for reform in how Americans get access to health care, this bill isn't it.
Its simply the cost. Its too high. Scare tactics are never a good way to get things done.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Sarah Palin
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That really is a good one
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is efficient.
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