Did Neanderthals have a soul?

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   Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

   What is the opposite of bliss?  I will have that.

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      aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi BC, you already have it, if ignorance is bliss, then knowledge is to no longer have bliss.... something we share if nothing else!
      
      No I am not 'innocent' in any manner or form, and my 'Christian walk' is also far from perfect, but it's improving, because 25 years ago I would have had someone like him converted to a bacon sandwich....

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         Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Why is it you feel the need to attack MK?  From where I am sitting MK gets a lash almost daily.  The guy doesn't like religion, so what?  You and yours don't like life without religion, so what?  If you cannot have an intellectual debate without some integrity, why bother?  I am nobodys chum here, I am on no teams.  I can agree and disagree with others without hiding behind some overarching philosophy.  I have had disagreements with religionists and athiests and I am neither but I can put things aside.  I would just find it amazing if I saw one of the militant christian club back down, for once, right or wrong, just back down.  You do yourselves no favours.

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            aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Who is worried about favours?
            
            I don't feel any need to attack MK, but I do react when he attacks me or my posts with his inane commentary.
            
            I can discuss and debate, but like you, I pay in the same coinage I am paid with.
            
            I am not alone in being peeved about the way MK mouths off about whatever he thinks to add his sound bite to, and expects that his dismissive, insolent tone will just be accepted because he has a high scorecard and friends in high places, well the hubs supposedly a free zone to express opinions and that's what I'm doing.
            
            I personally will ignore his baiting and sniping in future, he's not worth it and in any case when you strike a blow he cries foul, and his cronies follow suit.
            
            Life's too short, there are hubs to write for people to read who want to hear what is said.
            
            As for "The militant Christian Club" why would they back down?
            
            The members know that the bible is correct, what's to back down from?
            
            But I have seen and will no doubt see in the future that Christians apologise or 'back down' if they recognise that scripturally they are in error.
            
            Christians care about Christ, God, the Bible in terms of staying inoffensive, the world finds Christ offensive anyway, so why worry?

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               Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I would rather you do not liken yourself to me. 
               
               We are nothing alike.
               
               You are very confused.
               
               Re: Christ as offensive.  It is not Christ agua, it is the fraudelent religion and deaf-eared, one-eyed crackpots.

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                  aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  So be it.

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   Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

   agua is hardly the most innocent "christian" on these forums

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   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

   It's like trying to reason with a cloud of gnats!

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      Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you reason now?

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         sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         If you present any argument from the religious perspective you have all the different gnats hovering waiting for you to slip up so they can point their finger and hollar hypocrite.

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            Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Righto.  Is this not OK?  What if the case presents that you are a hypocrite and it is you whom points the finger or hovers around like a gnat?

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      Ben Zoltakposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL

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   Will Bensonposted 14 years ago

   My original question (you can look it up) was prompted by, what I understand is a teaching of modern fundamentalist Christianity...that souls are saved through the suffering and death of Jesus. I couldn't square that with the idea of a whole race of humans that disappeared long before Jesus. I hoped some believers (and non-believers too) would weigh in and present their thoughts.
   
   I study and occasionally write on Christianity, religion in general, atheism etc., so this is of interest to me. I think more opinions would be expressed here if the flaming rhetoric were toned down.
   
   We all have our opinions and maybe can share some with less rancor.
   
   Anyway, thanks for the opinions expressed so far. Pax.

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      Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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      Ben Zoltakposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I feel your pain Will, blogs are like a tangent vine that grows off a bump on a log.
      
      I love Jesus, I believe he is a redeemer and a helper for those that seek it.  I also believe though, that The Great Spirit (or the Father) is all forgiving. That salvation is a temporal manifestation, not an infinite one. I was raised under the iron fist of a Catholic upbringing which taught (as many bible belt Christians also teach) that those not saved would burn in an eternal hell fire forever and ever. This is, to use your words, the "flaming" language that I will forever associate strict Christianity with, and evidence of the hidden motivations of most Evangelists. 
      
      In my book everyone goes to Heaven, everyone is saved.  The slugs, the Neanderthals, the Israelites, The Nazis, even the Republicans, although sometimes I wonder. Mostly, not being "saved" to me, is a human expression of revenge. Revenge for not investing in someone else's fervently religious point of view.
      
      My favorite Christian and/or Abrahamic expression is that of the Rapture. I interpret the Rapture not as hellfire, which so many Christians seem to be experts about.  But instead, I see the Rapture as the vigorous collaborative union of the Great Spirit and the spirits of this world, a rapturous dance and thunderous creation of revelry for this miracle we call existence.
      
      I think Will, it comes as a surprise to many Americans that a lot of the world isn't Christian. So to ask for a strictly Christian debate on an Internationally populated website would be like going to Iran and gathering a bunch of people together and telling them you want their opinion about being saved, but only their Christian opinion about it.
      
      I do hope you find what you're looking for here.  I think your inquiry inspired a lot of spirited dialogue amongst strangers, what could be better than that?

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   prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago

   maybe they have a soul, but they are not aware of it yet,

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   Gee, Randy, Ben, Presigo, Earnest, and I were having a perfectly civil conversation, and then I leave for a couple of hours to do some Christmas shopping, and look what happened!
   
   You guys simply cannot be left unattended. Too much testosterone, I tells ya! (As Earnest would say.)

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What would Earnest know about testosterone? I am sure he and Mark are well versed in estrogen but testosterone?
      
      Did I say that?

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      Ben Zoltakposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL habee, testoterone: it's what's for dinner!
      
      I just started another forum called:
      
      We're winning the war on drugs or God doesn't make mistakes
      
      I invite everyone here to comment, I'd love to hear your rancor!
      
      Check out the song it was inspired by, you will enjoy it, I promise.

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   See, Tex - not playing nice again! I'm gonna have to put you in the corner.
   
   Ben, I'll check it out.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ive been working on my social skills, come on don't punish me

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   shazwellynposted 14 years ago

   GENERALLY SPEAKING.... If you believe in a soul, then many think that everything has a vibration that they label a soul.  Neaderthal's, just like every living thing, therefore, must have a soul.  x

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   alexandriaruthkposted 14 years ago

   they have a soul indeed

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    Paradise7posted 14 years ago

    Sure they did have a soul.  They're human, right?  So why not.  I think there are other groups of people that never had the chance to become Christian, and in all fairness, they aren't going to be damned for something they didn't know about.

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    Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago

    Some detest the thought of this life being the end of their awareness, never thinking of the time before they first achieved it. It is the same.

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    AdviceDoctorposted 14 years ago

    They did have souls. Well, technically a "soul" doesn't exist, a soul is your feelings, and Neanderthals did have feelings. So yeah, they had souls.

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       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Soul is not ones feelings.

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          AdviceDoctorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, your soul is your feelings, your conscience and all that crap. You're talking to a shrink, buddy.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    There is a cafe.

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And the credits!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Ah, a couple of my favorite guy pals here! Earnest, is it a Hard Rock Cafe??

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No habee, it is from the hitchikers guide to the galaxy, a very funny movie.

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And one of my favorite teachers!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    RD, a car plowed through Mandy's store today. If Keith hadn't left his desk to go to the restroom, he'd probably be dead.

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Saved by the bowl, I suppose!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    I haven't seen the movie, but I read the book several years ago. I'll have to find the flick.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    For real! Hey, Ernesto is gonna come see us one day!

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I thought about Earnest today while picking some particularly well formed fungi in the back forty.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Fungi? Well formed? I am honored!
          
          I will get over to the States again soon as my son gets Uni out of the way!

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             Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I certainly hope you are experienced in "raising hell."  The Japanese visitors Holle (Habee) and I entertained were not too good at it!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Wow, RD. I didn't know you were still collecting fungi.
    
    Earnest, I can't vouch for RD's fungi, but I can for his other plants!

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Oh, poor ol' Hatayama! I still think about him every time I hear "Sirent Night." Or "All the reaves are blowne..."

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Me too, I wonder what he's doing.  He sure liked it here!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Yeah, I hated that he had to go back to Japan. He was such a nice guy. He really wanted to stay...forever!

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       Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, I wanted him to, too! Crashing now.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    I'm going night-night, guys. Luvs ya!

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    Ben Zoltakposted 14 years ago

    My buddy used to have a winter cap that read, "Nature Made Nature"
    
    Every living thing has a soul.

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