Can we have a discussion on "Arrogance", please.

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   The Ropeposted 14 years ago

   I've been giving it a lot of thought lately and have reviewed the implications both in a personal way as well as in business and world leadership.  Would love to hear everyone's views...

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't have time to discuss arrogance, I have many important things to do!

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         tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Let me guess...

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            A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Don't do it, it will be considered a personal attack!

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               tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't say nuthin'!

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         manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Now...that's funny...I don't care who you are...that's funny right there.
         
         
         

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      avangendposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Confidence is the belief in the quality of one's own abilities.
      
      Arrogance is the belief in the quality of one's abilities being of a higher quality than someone else's, and being unafraid to tell you about it.
      
      Thus, confidence is the building block of arrogance.

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         blackorchidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         well put, thanks

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   Aya Katzposted 14 years ago

   We already discussed it once...

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   sooner than laterposted 14 years ago

   I'm the only one who would understand this conversation.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Now, that's arrogance, if I've ever seen it.
      
      I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and it's a pleasure to meet you.
      
      I'm not arrogant, but do come across fairly bluntly, so most of the time I "appear" to be. And, as we all know....appearances can be deceiving.

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         sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         pretty bad huh? haha.

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   R.Edwardsposted 14 years ago

   ...will all the arrogant people please stand up? lol

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Like that would matter....you wouldn't be able to do a head count anyway?

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   gym-fitnessposted 14 years ago

   i think there for i am too important to waste time discussing arrogance

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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   poetlorraineposted 14 years ago

   personally, i don't think arrogance is  a nice quality, in my humble opinion.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Neither is stupidity, but society has taken a liken to it.

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   C.J. Wrightposted 14 years ago

   Are we discussing "Arrogance" by denotation or connotation?

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      cally2posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Who cares? Just keep up with the play.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         If you want to play answer a question with a question....please go to the correct forum label....answer a question with a question.
         
         Otherwise, please stay on topic.

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            Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Why does everyone hate the poor arrogant people?  Boo Hoo, it must because of our beliefs, don't they know we are better than everyone else??

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               

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                  Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I am so please someone actually got that [not meant arrogantly]

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                  Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Don't be so arrogant, we don't attack the good people in here we only dis' the jerks!

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                     Sexy jontyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Founded a guy of being arrogant ...... I appreciate it if you believe "poor arrogant" ......

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   I don't know.....I didn't setup the topic.

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    dejajolieposted 14 years ago

    I am assuming there was a point to all of this, but we know the trouble one gets into when 'assuming'.... arrogance and confidence there is such a thin line, really........

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Arrogance is practiced at expense of others whereas confidence includes others, don't you think?

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       wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       YES!
       Very well put I like that a lot

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       The Ropeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       DS - what a perfect defination!

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       oneputtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Confidence is the acceptance of the  ONENESS of things. Arrogance is reserved for the  obtuse.

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    Arrogance is a false sense of security when one thinks they are better than another, either backed by wealth or education, which is used to harm society.
    
    Confidence is to know the difference of those among society and usually enables others to help people work through their troubles.
    
    Yes, there is a fine line.....and too many "idiots" step over that line, because they are arrogant, not confident.

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       dejajolieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       LOL line, what line.....no limit!

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          Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No limit?
          
          There is a line.....where over-confidence can lead to arrogance.
          
          That's usually when the "EGO" gets the better of rational judgement.

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             dejajolieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             oops that's what I meant as far as diff b'tween arrogance and confidence, The Arrogant sees no line.... they have no limit, I was agreeing with Cagsil

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       dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Action without experience, takes confidence to try it, and arrogance to feel it is right. Always, some get left out. Lines, many lines are crossed under the guise of Future History mis-calculated! or mis-concieved..?

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    Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years ago

    I agree with the defining differences that have already been addressed but to add to that...confidence is being in a place where you are not afraid to use what you know to help others without jamming it don their throats, the focus is on the other not on how much you know or do, and the arrogant side to that is when someone thinks they are so above it all they can use the others for their own advantage, because after all, it's their right!

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       Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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          Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You are right Caysil + Misha, some people haven't got a clue as to their own arrogance...

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Of course !

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          Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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       Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It's confidence when I do it - it's arrogance when anybody else does

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    Pretending that humans caused a climate change is highly arrogant on my books

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       Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I know Misha, obviously it was the cows!

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          tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Is that a personal attack?

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             Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hee Hee yes a gas attack....

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    LOL

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    The Ropeposted 14 years ago

    Sorry “guys”, I was headed to a serious conversation.  I wonder if we realize the power that arrogance really has over our daily lives?  I believe it is the single biggest problem in the world today because I believe it's the root of most issues both personal and in the world.  It feeds our pride and keeps us from giving or accepting help with grace.  It feeds our judgmental tendencies not allowing us to use or build on each other's ideas but to push for our own desires.  No one seems to be immune from this phenomenon.  It causes more mistakes, more broken relationships, more lost time in the business world and more wars than any other single human trait.  I was just wondering if anyone else sees it as this big of an issue.

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    Yes, I do. It is probably the single biggest problem on an individual human being level. The worst thing about it the vast majority of people have no clue they are arrogant.

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    Deborah-Lynnposted 14 years ago

    Jes git er done!

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       manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That's right, Deborah Lynn...Well Said!

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    manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago

    Is it just me...or did I not read everyone else's reponses accurately enough....but by this point in time I think someone should've said..."Is'nt it arrogant to decide who is arrogant or not. Wouldn't you be making an arrogant assumption...to state who you think is arrogant or not?"

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       wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Phew. I'm trying to explain why you are wrong, but I can't
       I look at it from every angle, but I can't find any disagreement.
       
       If you consider "arrogant" to be a negative word, it's hard to apply it to yourself.
       
       Thanks for twisting my brain all around

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    LOL As long as you count yourself among arrogant people, it would not be arrogance

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       Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Dang, Misha, you spiked my cannon in advance!  Now how to I convince y'all of my overweening arrogance?
       
       Ah!  I know!
       
       It's my way or the highway! 

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    sannyasinmanposted 14 years ago

    If you flip the coin with "arrogance" on one side, you usually find that it says "inferiority" on the other side.

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       The Ropeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       SA - does that include our world leaders - I think many of them are incredibly arrogant - your thoughts?

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          sannyasinmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          It includes everybody. Also do you consider arrogance to be a fault - a negative quality? Because it is also said that
          "You don't see a fault in others unless you have it in yourself".

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             The Ropeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I do see it in myself and I find it a very offensive trait of mine - that's one of the reasons I've been thinking about it a lot.  But at least to identify it, helps to learn from it.  Interestingly enough though as I delved into my own arrogance, I realized that we all have this "unspoken" trail and I realzied the impact it has on all of us - from the highest world leaders to the lowest of us "common folk".  I'm moving on to Dame Scribe's comment - seems like that's the place to analyze next to see what was true arrogance and what is confidence.

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    The Ropeposted 14 years ago

    There is a lot of good thought processes going on here - thanks!  I've been feeling lately that most of us are arrogant in our own lives - notwithstanding the arrogance of those who propose to lead us - either in our working lives or in our world.  I'm struggling to put a good spin on a bad concept - your humor and comments are really helping...

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    Sexy jontyposted 14 years ago

    It's just the behaviour of the person when they feel they are more important than other people, so they are rude to them or do not consider them.......

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    Valerie Fposted 14 years ago

    If someone is smarter, stronger, better-looking, or has found something that has improved their lives, but is humble about it, they won't lord it over others but may gladly share what has helped them get where they are with others.
    
    It's arrogance when people think their superiority (real or imagined) in any particular area places them above the rules of common decency and entitles them to look down their noses at and insult others.

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    retellectposted 14 years ago

    Don't be arrogant Valerie!

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    PrettyPantherposted 14 years ago

    I have found that arrogant people are just a more subtle form of a bully.  They use their perceived superiority as a way to justify their abuse of others.

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       kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well said! That is a very keen observation. I have not thought of it that way before but it really makes a lot of sense

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       TamCorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       PrettyPanther--This is one of the best descriptions for arrogance that I have ever seen.
       
       I would so like to copy and paste this onto a political hub that I was just reading, lol....
       
       
       Tammy

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          PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL!

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    Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

    Speaking of arrogance, who can be more arrogant than the US congress? In spite of the overwhelming majority in opposition to their foolish health care bill they will pass it anyway, in the middle of the night under the cover of darkness nearly 3000 pages of new legislation they haven't read, a half trillion in new taxes, 106 new federal bureaucracies, a piece of legislation that doesn't meet any of the goals advanced for submitting it in thee first place and a law that is outside the constitutional authority granted to them!
    
    If this is arrogance, I don't know what is!

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