mohitmisra wrote:

Andrew0208 wrote:

Hi Mark, it will interest you to know earlier before now that i will never argue or debate God's word. Why? I've  come to know and understand the Epignosis(Hebrew; meaning full and complete knowledge of Him) who called us unto glory and power. If you do not believe, refrain from making mockery of the scriptures. I tell you Mark, grief not the Holy Spirit, the God of Elijah,  the ancient of days and the King of kings. Sow the right the seed!

I have aslo warned him of the karmic consequences.Yet this reminds me when we are young we are told not to play with fire as it will burn but unless we get burned we do not understand.This is life.

Mark Knowles wrote:

mohitmisra wrote:

Andrew0208 wrote:

Hi Mark, it will interest you to know earlier before now that i will never argue or debate God's word. Why? I've  come to know and understand the Epignosis(Hebrew; meaning full and complete knowledge of Him) who called us unto glory and power. If you do not believe, refrain from making mockery of the scriptures. I tell you Mark, grief not the Holy Spirit, the God of Elijah,  the ancient of days and the King of kings. Sow the right the seed!

I have aslo warned him of the karmic consequences.Yet this reminds me when we are young we are told not to play with fire as it will burn but unless we get burned we do not understand.This is life.

hahahha its your life,be happy.

mohitmisra wrote:

hahahha its your life,be happy.

It is and I am...........

One who is Christian is a representative and the representation of Jesus Christ. This means He/She has authority over all powers in the universe and manifests the image of Him respectively. Walking and Living in Love unto eternity!

A Christian, i mean one who has a recreated human spirit in Christ has the Miracle working ability in hm/her. These virtues go beyond the comprehension of religion and self.

Mark Knowles wrote:

Andrew0208 wrote:

Who is a Christian? A Christian here in this relevation is one that is dead to self and religion but alive in the move of the Spirit and His Power having these vital great eternal virtues, Love and the Word resident in his/her heart. A re-created human spirit by the Word.

Meaningless rhetoric - again. But I forgive you. You know not what you do.

He is babbling about who a Christian is...a Christian is a follower of Christ; a follower of the Messiah, popularly known as Jesus.  That means you believe what Jesus taught; and more important than believing Him; you DO what He taught as well.

Of course you'd have to read His book to know what He taught.  Leave the poetry and tell people to read what Jesus taught and did and then do it.  That is a Christian.

mightyone wrote:

Mark Knowles wrote:

Andrew0208 wrote:

Who is a Christian? A Christian here in this relevation is one that is dead to self and religion but alive in the move of the Spirit and His Power having these vital great eternal virtues, Love and the Word resident in his/her heart. A re-created human spirit by the Word.

Meaningless rhetoric - again. But I forgive you. You know not what you do.

He is babbling about who a Christian is...a Christian is a follower of Christ; a follower of the Messiah, popularly known as Jesus.  That means you believe what Jesus taught; and more important than believing Him; you DO what He taught as well.

Of course you'd have to read His book to know what He taught.  Leave the poetry and tell people to read what Jesus taught and did and then do it.  That is a Christian.

The only way I know of to raise the dead is via CPR. To follow in the footsteps of Christ, you would need to know CPR. If you don't know CPR, therefore, you can't be a real Christian.

Jenny

Andrew0208 wrote:

One who is Christian is a representative and the representation of Jesus Christ. This means He/She has authority over all powers in the universe and manifests the image of Him respectively. Walking and Living in Love unto eternity!

A Christian, i mean one who has a recreated human spirit in Christ has the Miracle working ability in hm/her. These virtues go beyond the comprehension of religion and self.

It agains goes to the finger pointing to the moon.In this case the finger being the Religion and God being the moon.

me...im Christian...
but I only believe in Christianity..not with Christians....


*doesn't mean i don't believe in myself...

HeartBreaker wrote:

me...im Christian...
but I only believe in Christianity..not with Christians....


*doesn't mean i don't believe in myself...

Who knows,  I believe in Christ, I am not a Christain and I don't like the religion.  But I still love Jesus. 

I don't think that makes me a christain, I think it makes me smart enough to know what is going on.  Following a church doesn't mean congregating and putting down other churches and practices. 

Being part of the church is having in yourself the Spirit of God, which to me is the Spirit of Life.  Following Jesus means I accepted his teachings as correct and true for myself and showing compassion and forgiveness and understanding for all peoples not just ones that attend congregations or who are part of some crazy cult like brotherhood, or that I even have to be certain He actually exisist (which I don't dout Mark, lol). 

Doesn't mean I have to give 10%, especially in a church, eh hem, exchanging monies in God's house, if you can remember, really pisses off the chief (Jesus).  I doesn't mean I wont and am not capable of making mistakes. 

It means I do the best that I can with what I have, when I need help I ask and I always find a reason to be thankful.  It means when I mess up, I remember it and try not to keep repeating my mistakes.  It means I show people the respect I would expect someone to show for me.  It means when I get angry, I should slow down before I do something I would regret. 

Jesus says a lot of things, but mostly desprite all the crusades and murders and wars and sufferings that go on and have gone on in the past in the name of Christ, he said love each other.  Or in the modern day case, Learn to Love each other. 

The world is not getting any nicer today then it was 2 thousand years ago.  Today we just have more distractions and such that not a lot of people who claim to be christain or followers of God have actually read the whole entire Bible. 

Whether the translation is whack or not, why does it have to matter so much?  It still wouldn't change the world that we live in. 

In my own way I am very much a christain, I just wish there was a better name for it cause I don't like being associated with what people think about Christains.  Mostly I am agnostic because I believe in many things, but the one who is at the top of my list besides God, The God, My God, is Jesus. 

Miracles do happen that can not be explained like Andrew08 said, but it is always personal and and understanding that comes between two things, you and God and sometimes a third. 

Not being a christian doesn't mean you wont go to Heaven or have eternal life or damnation.  A babtist would tell you it does, but it is not true.  You do not have to say, "I accept Jesus as my savior and ask him into my heart" you do not have to attend sudnay services to find out what God or Jesus is all about and you certainly do not have to disbelieve in God because the world made a mess of everything.

The only thing left, IMHO, is God.  I chose to listen to Jesus or whomevers wrote the Bible, and I have chosen to learn and listen from people or just about everything there is something to learn from. 

If it all came from God, then all of it serves a purpose.  If you can't see it and we are nothing like Mark believes, then I have every reason to believe that human life will spring again and again and whether or not you recognize the you, you are today or not, the only thing I can realize is that you will know when you get there that you are alive and probabaly ask the same things. 

We aren't getting out, so we need fix it. 

You're right in your analysis. Why? You will notice that religion is political and Christ was totally against it, because it's a move of canality instead of the spirit. John 6:63. More than religion and it's system. A Christian is called to do the Word, walk in faith and love without conditions!

sandra rinck wrote:

HeartBreaker wrote:

me...im Christian...
but I only believe in Christianity..not with Christians....


*doesn't mean i don't believe in myself...

Who knows,  I believe in Christ, I am not a Christain and I don't like the religion.  But I still love Jesus. 

I don't think that makes me a christain, I think it makes me smart enough to know what is going on.  Following a church doesn't mean congregating and putting down other churches and practices. 

Being part of the church is having in yourself the Spirit of God, which to me is the Spirit of Life.  Following Jesus means I accepted his teachings as correct and true for myself and showing compassion and forgiveness and understanding for all peoples not just ones that attend congregations or who are part of some crazy cult like brotherhood, or that I even have to be certain He actually exisist (which I don't dout Mark, lol). 

Doesn't mean I have to give 10%, especially in a church, eh hem, exchanging monies in God's house, if you can remember, really pisses off the chief (Jesus).  I doesn't mean I wont and am not capable of making mistakes. 

It means I do the best that I can with what I have, when I need help I ask and I always find a reason to be thankful.  It means when I mess up, I remember it and try not to keep repeating my mistakes.  It means I show people the respect I would expect someone to show for me.  It means when I get angry, I should slow down before I do something I would regret. 

Jesus says a lot of things, but mostly desprite all the crusades and murders and wars and sufferings that go on and have gone on in the past in the name of Christ, he said love each other.  Or in the modern day case, Learn to Love each other. 

The world is not getting any nicer today then it was 2 thousand years ago.  Today we just have more distractions and such that not a lot of people who claim to be christain or followers of God have actually read the whole entire Bible. 

Whether the translation is whack or not, why does it have to matter so much?  It still wouldn't change the world that we live in. 

In my own way I am very much a christain, I just wish there was a better name for it cause I don't like being associated with what people think about Christains.  Mostly I am agnostic because I believe in many things, but the one who is at the top of my list besides God, The God, My God, is Jesus. 

Miracles do happen that can not be explained like Andrew08 said, but it is always personal and and understanding that comes between two things, you and God and sometimes a third. 

Not being a christian doesn't mean you wont go to Heaven or have eternal life or damnation.  A babtist would tell you it does, but it is not true.  You do not have to say, "I accept Jesus as my savior and ask him into my heart" you do not have to attend sudnay services to find out what God or Jesus is all about and you certainly do not have to disbelieve in God because the world made a mess of everything.

The only thing left, IMHO, is God.  I chose to listen to Jesus or whomevers wrote the Bible, and I have chosen to learn and listen from people or just about everything there is something to learn from. 

If it all came from God, then all of it serves a purpose.  If you can't see it and we are nothing like Mark believes, then I have every reason to believe that human life will spring again and again and whether or not you recognize the you, you are today or not, the only thing I can realize is that you will know when you get there that you are alive and probabaly ask the same things. 

We aren't getting out, so we need fix it. 

I use to be like you Sandra; not dealing with Christianity because of the way it is portrayed by the media - and by most Christians.  But what I learned is that God works through man and they deliver His message.  So if man gets corrupt as he is; he can and will lie, perverting the Word of God and water everything down to what we have today.

Jesus Christ (Christ meaning Messiah in Hebrew, and that meaning Anointed One) never taught any one to be a Christian.  He taught them what His Father in Heaven wanted of them.  The disciples never called themselves Christians - that name developed because they were followers of Christ.

The sad fact that what we get in the name of JESUS, that simply isn't so - so then people simply don't believe or feel like I did and how you feel Sandra, and that is trusting nothing but keeping the name and teachings of Jesus.  But when we run into a teaching priest or preacher that will teach us, we will learn more about the Bible and Jesus's teachings.

Like why it is important the tithe, why it is important to congregate on the Sabbath day, why it is important to love our brother and sister, and more important then that HOW to love them.  Why we shouldn’t eat certain foods, etc. 

You know about how Jesus got upset that they were exchanging money in the church and got mad throwing their tables over and sort; but Jesus's ministry mainly condemned the Pharisees - if that was modern days Jesus would be here condemning places like the Catholic church, and all modern Christian churches because they are not following the will of His Father in Heaven.

So Sandra and everybody else; I hope that with your zeal you get more knowledge so you can clearly see the difference between religion and Jesus Christ.  Luke 4 told us His custom was that He went into the synagogue or Church, every Sabbath day and stood up to read.  This was His custom - if we are Christian, meaning like Christ, we should follow that lead.

That's what being a Christian means doing as Christ did and following His teachings.  And you can find Jesus from Genesis to Revelation, in every book. 

Peace and grace

mighty

Mark Knowles wrote:

Health Conscious wrote:

Mark Knowles wrote:

Sooo glad I am not a christian.

I prefer to spend my life improving others' lives and fighting BS and lies wherever I find it.

Case in point.

spare us please

lol

Why? From what? health concious. Got some pills to sell - christian? LOL

Speaking of irony and divine intervention, I had completely forgotten about this time I commented on your arrogant post. Before I found this again I read http://hubpages.com/_38e9u1qsuw2pw/hub/ … s-Among-Us by SirDent. Before I could not figure out who you think gave you authority to be the knower of all things. Now I know that you are only a Troll who gets satisfaction by causing others aggravation. I acknowledge your weakness and will allow you to be a jerk. You may continue to instigate others in an attempt to make yourself look knowledgeable,

As far as whether I am a christian or whether I sell pills. Yes, my father dedicated his life ministering to others in small towns of North Carolina and while I am not affiliated with an organized church myself I do consider myself a christian. 

As far as the pills, no I sell no pills. Pills always have unneeded fillers and are hard to digest so they are not a good delivery method for anything. As far as selling nutrition products, yes I do and am proud to. I find it much more fulfilling and feel I am doing so much more for society than my previous endeavor of real estate. This is especially true considering I have found an outstanding company that found a new way to produce nutritional products. Yes I know your response already -

Any one who has taken the time to read my hubs will find much more than the company info. All of my hubs are from focused research which anyone like yourself never does because there is no motivation. There is about to be a revolution in how we look at health and I plan on helping bring it about. There is much more to health than just taking in less calories than you burn, go read and you might learn.

Health Conscious wrote:

Speaking of irony and divine intervention, I had completely forgotten about this time I commented on your arrogant post. Before I found this again I read http://hubpages.com/_38e9u1qsuw2pw/hub/ … s-Among-Us by SirDent. Before I could not figure out who you think gave you authority to be the knower of all things. Now I know that you are only a Troll who gets satisfaction by causing others aggravation. I acknowledge your weakness and will allow you to be a jerk. You may continue to instigate others in an attempt to make yourself look knowledgeable,

As far as whether I am a christian or whether I sell pills. Yes, my father dedicated his life ministering to others in small towns of North Carolina and while I am not affiliated with an organized church myself I do consider myself a christian. 

As far as the pills, no I sell no pills. Pills always have unneeded fillers and are hard to digest so they are not a good delivery method for anything. As far as selling nutrition products, yes I do and am proud to. I find it much more fulfilling and feel I am doing so much more for society than my previous endeavor of real estate. This is especially true considering I have found an outstanding company that found a new way to produce nutritional products. Yes I know your response already -

Any one who has taken the time to read my hubs will find much more than the company info. All of my hubs are from focused research which anyone like yourself never does because there is no motivation. There is about to be a revolution in how we look at health and I plan on helping bring it about. There is much more to health than just taking in less calories than you burn, go read and you might learn.

Irony and divine intervention all over that

But this is certainly christian behavior on your part. You have insulted me - I apparently am a troll who had a part in the death of some one I have never even heard of. And to top it off you managed to get a sales pitch in along with an affiliate tracker in the link you left. Very christian of you

Nice. I hope you make some money from it.

Who tries to be close to Jesus but choose a way that takes him away from jesus.By which name Jesus(PBUH) called his God.I think he didnt call by the word God.Muslims have far more respect for Jesus than christians.
I know no christian is going to agree on this.

At 14 years old,  I asked Jesus to come and live in my heart. I asked Him to forgive me of my sin and to help me be the person He needs me to be. To guide me and lead me.  And I have been trying my best since that day. Although I will admit I do stumble........I am human, it's good to know that I can be forgiven for it when I mess up. And it's such a comfort to know where I will go when I die. The retirement is out of this world!

Mark Knowles wrote:

Health Conscious wrote:

Speaking of irony and divine intervention, I had completely forgotten about this time I commented on your arrogant post. Before I found this again I read http://hubpages.com/_38e9u1qsuw2pw/hub/ … s-Among-Us by SirDent. Before I could not figure out who you think gave you authority to be the knower of all things. Now I know that you are only a Troll who gets satisfaction by causing others aggravation. I acknowledge your weakness and will allow you to be a jerk. You may continue to instigate others in an attempt to make yourself look knowledgeable,

As far as whether I am a christian or whether I sell pills. Yes, my father dedicated his life ministering to others in small towns of North Carolina and while I am not affiliated with an organized church myself I do consider myself a christian. 

As far as the pills, no I sell no pills. Pills always have unneeded fillers and are hard to digest so they are not a good delivery method for anything. As far as selling nutrition products, yes I do and am proud to. I find it much more fulfilling and feel I am doing so much more for society than my previous endeavor of real estate. This is especially true considering I have found an outstanding company that found a new way to produce nutritional products. Yes I know your response already -

Any one who has taken the time to read my hubs will find much more than the company info. All of my hubs are from focused research which anyone like yourself never does because there is no motivation. There is about to be a revolution in how we look at health and I plan on helping bring it about. There is much more to health than just taking in less calories than you burn, go read and you might learn.

Irony and divine intervention all over that

But this is certainly christian behavior on your part. You have insulted me - I apparently am a troll who had a part in the death of some one I have never even heard of. And to top it off you managed to get a sales pitch in along with an affiliate tracker in the link you left. Very christian of you

Nice. I hope you make some money from it.

Sorry you read more into my comments all along - My belief that you are a troll has nothing to do with Christianity or promoting something someone believes is worthy nor am I accusing you of being responsible for anyones death. Where did you come up with that about being responsible for someones death, (sounds like you might have something to hide) :-)

My believe that you are a troll is because of your arrogant statement of   "I prefer to spend my life improving others' lives and fighting BS and lies wherever I find it." Who died and made you king to judge others. Stating your opinion is one thing, being a dogmatic jerk who thinks his opinion is more important than someone else's is a different thing entirely.  Once again you found a way to get under my desire to accept others as they are. I apologize for insulting you and am no longer going to accept my own desire to offset your caustic opinions whether cloaked in humor or not.

Sometimes I forget that I not only have the ability but the responsibility to ignore trolls so again forgive me.

Health Conscious wrote:

Sorry you read more into my comments all along - My belief that you are a troll has nothing to do with Christianity or promoting something someone believes is worthy nor am I accusing you of being responsible for anyones death. Where did you come up with that about being responsible for someones death, (sounds like you might have something to hide) :-)

My believe that you are a troll is because of your arrogant statement of   "I prefer to spend my life improving others' lives and fighting BS and lies wherever I find it." Who died and made you king to judge others. Stating your opinion is one thing, being a dogmatic jerk who thinks his opinion is more important than someone else's is a different thing entirely.  Once again you found a way to get under my desire to accept others as they are. I apologize for insulting you and am no longer going to accept my own desire to offset your caustic opinions whether cloaked in humor or not.

Sometimes I forget that I not only have the ability but the responsibility to ignore trolls so again forgive me.

LOL
Please forgive me for thinking that when you said :

Health Concious wrote:

Now I know that you are only a Troll who gets satisfaction by causing others aggravation. I acknowledge your weakness and will allow you to be a jerk.

You were not actually being insulting - you were merely trying to accept people for what they are.

Once again - very christian of you.

Your comments and the words used can really only be described in one way.

Passive/Aggressive

I realize it is very easy for people like you  to use the anonymity of the internet to say things they would not say to a "real live person."

But please do not try and fool anyone that you were being anything other than offensive.

You were not actually being insulting - you were merely trying to accept people for what they are.

Once again - very christian of you.

Your comments and the words used can really only be described in one way.

Passive/Aggressive

I realize it is very easy for people like you  to use the anonymity of the internet to say things they would not say to a "real live person."

But please do not try and fool anyone that you were being anything other than offensive.

Trying to instigate to the end?

Nope - I would have called you a troll to your face for the same action. Once again my statements were  only about the arrogance of your statement of being the savior of the world and the seer of BS (if I told you to look in the mirror for BS It would be a direct insult, silly but still a direct insult.) then you insulted me in your usual flippant way.   

Passively aggressive huh -  I'll take that to describe my stance.

What would you analysis yourself as?

And by the way if you were referring to my use of Health Conscious as being afraid of my name being known it would not be hard to find it for anyone who has a desire. Mostly I believe my message speaks for itself so I don't need or want to make it about who I am.

And lastly, the part about  accepting you is not necessarily a christian taught trait. That is more from my own attempt to improve myself. I don't know what brought on your obvious dislike or fear of Christianity but you would probably be happier if you let it go.

Please have a nice day.

Actions speak louder than words.

You called me a troll because you do not believe what I said. There is not much I can do about that. If you knew me at all, you would know I consistently attack scammers and spammers both here and other places I interact - on and off line.

This is part of my fight against BS. I try and spot it and get rid of it before it can damage me or any one else.

I spent ten years as a massage therapist, making people feel good - and would only take money if the person could pay. But - you choose to see me as a troll without thinking or making any inquiries. On top of that, you are trying to make money from our interaction by leaving an affiliate tracker in a link to a hub about people who apparently got pleasure from the death of some one I have never even heard of and suggesting that I was some how the same as these people.

The part about accepting me as I am is purely a passive/aggresive way of insulting me.

I have certainly accepted you for what you are.

I am sure you would call me a troll and a jerk to my face lolo

ciao christian - good luck selling the products you are pushing.

Myself - I think a well balanced diet of good quality ingredients in the first place means you do not need any of the rubbish you are peddling. But what do I know? Nothing according to you.

Good Morning Mark! Good morning Health Conscious!
It is refreshing to see the two of you are hard at it. LOL
I wish the two of you a wonderful day and HAPPINESS. C.S.