Inspirepub wrote:

mightyone wrote:

Inspirepub wrote:

That's the throne on Earth, where Jesus is claiming His Kingdom ...

but it says the 144,000 follow Jesus where ever He goes?  How would you explain that?

The King James version doesn't, and the New International version doesn't. Which version are you reading?

I read the KJ version; what version do you read; let me have it so I can read it.

but it is in KJ version

Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

mightyone wrote:

mohitmisra wrote:

mightyone wrote:

wHERE do you get your weed from.  You know you're marijuana...you sound high.

Being a poet I am on  a God-high, do you understand,I doubt it.
Do you understand what I am writing or is it bouncing over your head.You talk about the Bible like aparrot ,first understand what it means before trying to become a preacher.

It is going bouncing over my head...I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers dude.  That's the harshes I 've heard you speak ever.

I am explaining the meaning and you went to drugs ,why? I did feel offended-peace.
Let me put in in a more simple way.Close your eyes and you will see blackness -now as you start meditationg-relaxing-concentrating you will see only a point -this is what one must concentrate on- this is the meaning of  "thy eye be single" one pointed concentration.

mohitmisra wrote:

mightyone wrote:

mohitmisra wrote:

Being a poet I am on  a God-high, do you understand,I doubt it.
Do you understand what I am writing or is it bouncing over your head.You talk about the Bible like aparrot ,first understand what it means before trying to become a preacher.

It is going bouncing over my head...I hope I didn't ruffle any feathers dude.  That's the harshes I 've heard you speak ever.

I am explaining the meaning and you went to drugs ,why? I did feel offended-peace.
Let me put in in a more simple way.Close your eyes and you will see blackness -now as you start meditationg-relaxing-concentrating you will see only a point -this is what one must concentrate on- this is the meaning of  "thy eye be single" one pointed concentration.

Okay, my bad for the offense.

mightyone wrote:

Inspirepub wrote:

mightyone wrote:

but it says the 144,000 follow Jesus where ever He goes?  How would you explain that?

The King James version doesn't, and the New International version doesn't. Which version are you reading?

I read the KJ version; what version do you read; let me have it so I can read it.

but it is in KJ version

Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Ah, OK, gotcha. You're talking about a later verse.

So, mightyone, this is where is says that only the 144,000 are redeemed from Earth and follow the Lamb wherever he goes - including to Heaven. Not the multitudes.

The multitudes mentioned in verse 7 don't get redeemed from the earth. Jesus shepherds them right where they are - on Earth.

Note, too, that the 144,000 are all virgins. Once you have sex, it's all over for getting into Heaven.

That's right - the 144,000 are all virgins. Male virgins, not 'defiled' with woman.
Would anyone like to defend the (human, male) author of Revelation's blatant misogyny?

Something I've noticed is that the book of Revelation seems to hold particular appeal for a certain type of Christian. Usually the type who is morbidly interested in punishing others.

Inspirepub wrote:

Note, too, that the 144,000 are all virgins. Once you have sex, it's all over for getting into Heaven.

Well, that is me out then

How about you worthless?

My studies have informed me that the 144,000 were just the beginning group of souls that came from "higher realms" to keep the earth from being totally destroyed by human "evil". Many more have come to do "God's" work since.
Also, being a virgin is re-attainable ! Think about it, what does being a virgin mean? I put everything into the the language of energy. If the Source from which all Energy came is pure and created purity and pure souls, but free will actions brought impurity to souls, then all you have to do is "clean up" "clear out" your impurity/energy.
Geez, guys and gals, isn't that what a spiritual (or even just a secular) life is best about? Clear up your karma and become a virgin again (let that flow of Energy flow purely once again)  
I am truly not kidding !

Even some Christians have acquired a concept of this...teaching their youth that have had sex outside of marriage, but regretted it and just prayed for forgiveness and changed their actions.

Now though the energy stream may get purer, of course, I don't think in most cases the hymen can be re-grown, etc...but the energy can flow purer again, which is the main thing, right? Material reality is only temporary, it is the energy of soul that will go on eternally, if purified.

'My studies have informed me that the 144,000 were just the beginning group of souls that came from "higher realms" to keep the earth from being totally destroyed by human "evil".' And then there is the concept of the '12 Honest (always) Men'.
So long is there are at least 12 honest men, God will not destroy the earth.

Inspirepub wrote:

mightyone wrote:

Inspirepub wrote:

The King James version doesn't, and the New International version doesn't. Which version are you reading?

I read the KJ version; what version do you read; let me have it so I can read it.

but it is in KJ version

Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Ah, OK, gotcha. You're talking about a later verse.

So, mightyone, this is where is says that only the 144,000 are redeemed from Earth and follow the Lamb wherever he goes - including to Heaven. Not the multitudes.

The multitudes mentioned in verse 7 don't get redeemed from the earth. Jesus shepherds them right where they are - on Earth.

Note, too, that the 144,000 are all virgins. Once you have sex, it's all over for getting into Heaven.

Inspirepub; it is to be understood that NO ONE is going to Heaven.  There are 3 Heavens, the Earth is one, the sky & space elements is the second, and beyond that where the Father is with Jesus at His right hand is 3 according to the Bible. 

Jesus will come to earth with the 144,000 and rule it for 1000 years, then after that with the 144,000, then the Father will come to earth with New Jerusalem.  So NO ONE is going to what is the 3rd Heaven.

I won't touch that virgin stuff now...

mightyone wrote:

Inspirepub; it is to be understood that NO ONE is going to Heaven.  There are 3 Heavens, the Earth is one, the sky & space elements is the second, and beyond that where the Father is with Jesus at His right hand is 3 according to the Bible. 

Jesus will come to earth with the 144,000 and rule it for 1000 years, then after that with the 144,000, then the Father will come to earth with New Jerusalem.  So NO ONE is going to what is the 3rd Heaven.

Hey Mark, I think I have just discovered a whole new species of Christian cosmology!

Look at this!

NOBODY goes to Heaven. Bummer for all those Catholic schoolkids who did all those Novenas to get the black babies out of Purgatory and into Heaven, eh?



Jenny

Mark Knowles wrote:

Inspirepub wrote:

Note, too, that the 144,000 are all virgins. Once you have sex, it's all over for getting into Heaven.

Well, that is me out then

How about you worthless?

And also one whom you avoided...think

Inspirepub wrote:

mightyone wrote:

Inspirepub; it is to be understood that NO ONE is going to Heaven.  There are 3 Heavens, the Earth is one, the sky & space elements is the second, and beyond that where the Father is with Jesus at His right hand is 3 according to the Bible. 

Jesus will come to earth with the 144,000 and rule it for 1000 years, then after that with the 144,000, then the Father will come to earth with New Jerusalem.  So NO ONE is going to what is the 3rd Heaven.

Hey Mark, I think I have just discovered a whole new species of Christian cosmology!

Look at this!

NOBODY goes to Heaven. Bummer for all those Catholic schoolkids who did all those Novenas to get the black babies out of Purgatory and into Heaven, eh?



Jenny

We seem to have a whole new species of discussion too. One I think I am best kept out of:

SJ believes virginities grow back, the enlightened poet is attacking the one who thinks he is mightly,  worthless has come up with a whole new interpretation of the fairy tale which is better than everyone else's and I have discovered I am not going to heaven. Bummer

Cheer up Mark, Heaven is not much fun anyway. It's full of teetotallers and virgins.

Mark Knowles wrote:

Inspirepub wrote:

mightyone wrote:

Inspirepub; it is to be understood that NO ONE is going to Heaven.  There are 3 Heavens, the Earth is one, the sky & space elements is the second, and beyond that where the Father is with Jesus at His right hand is 3 according to the Bible. 

Jesus will come to earth with the 144,000 and rule it for 1000 years, then after that with the 144,000, then the Father will come to earth with New Jerusalem.  So NO ONE is going to what is the 3rd Heaven.

Hey Mark, I think I have just discovered a whole new species of Christian cosmology!

Look at this!

NOBODY goes to Heaven. Bummer for all those Catholic schoolkids who did all those Novenas to get the black babies out of Purgatory and into Heaven, eh?



Jenny

We seem to have a whole new species of discussion too. One I think I am best kept out of:

SJ believes virginities grow back, the enlightened poet is attacking the one who thinks he is mightly,  worthless has come up with a whole new interpretation of the fairy tale which is better than everyone else's and I have discovered I am not going to heaven. Bummer

I have prayed or rquested you do have a spiritual experience, do let me know if it happens.

mightyone wrote:

I'd like to know if anyone can show that we are going to Heaven?  There is only one catch - use the Bible to make your case!

Here is my case from the Bible.  I have used it to pleade the case that all people go to Heaven no matter what.  Only thing is, no one who reads or believes enough to find this possible, better yet, they would rather call God or Jesus a liar.  So here goes.

From the Bible, "ask and you shall recieve."  You must believe that it is granted.

So, I prayed for all people to be saved or to go to Heaven, and I know it is true because if God said that if you ask you will recieve than I got what  I wanted.  Everyone goes to Heaven. 

Not good enough?  Hmmm...Plus revelations does not say only 144000 people will be saved, it says that 144000 will be chosen to be judges, these are the people from the 12 tribes of Isreal.  And I am one of them.  Want to know how I know?  Cause God told me so.

Oh, wait only crazy people hear from God right?  Well whatever,  He told me I am from the tribe of Gad.  I don't make this stuff up.  Interestingly enough, Gad means "good wishes". 
So go ahead, poke fun.  It doesn't matter much to me, it would not change my wish or prayer anyhow.  It just amplifies my understanding that most people including myself are incapable of being "good". 

"Why do you call me good, no one is good but the Father."  Not even Jesus was good.  Excuse me, good as in good all the time or perfect.  No on is perfect.  Thus we do no know what we do.  We run around like idiots believing we have it all figured out. 

Oh, and when I say that not even Jesus is perfect, I mean compared the God the one called Father, no one is perfect.  Plus God understands very well all things.

Forgive anyone of thier sins and those shall be forgiven of your.  Retain any one of their sins and those shall not be forgiven of you.  So Jesus forgave us of our sins, all of them.  It cost him his life, but the life we live here is temperary.

The clause to eternal life in this life doesn't exclude the possiblity of death, but pardons the second death which is to cease to exist and becoming forgotten by God.

So make yourself know to God and God will make himself known to you. 
All people already live in Heaven.  This Heaven on Earth and just so you know, everything done on Earth is done also in Heaven, so even if you went to Heaven right now,  it is not like it would be some magical wonderful place where all your wishes and dreams come true.

We have to build a paridise on Earth and do those things considered good to even see the Heaven that was made for us right here.  Those things start with stopping the cycle of violence and injustice, but we all know how hard that is to do because we are all so different.

So, you can forgive and forget, which is what God would do.  Forgive us of those things we do that God does not like and toss them in the fire to be burned and never thought of again.  Oh, yes,  people do not burn in Hell for eternity.  Bad thoughts or things burn in Hell forever and ever.

Or like in Revelations.  Then the ones who are left took everything and burned it up.  Sorry no chapter number references,  just go read the entire chapter again.  It only takes about and hour. 

It says only two things burn in the Lake of Fire, the great whore and  (darn I forgot) but the Lake of Fire is the second death.  We all, with the exception of one, two and possibley three people will see the first death.  That is death in this life.  Not even Jesus escaped the first death.  What does that tell you?

mohitmisra wrote:

Mark Knowles wrote:

Inspirepub wrote:

Hey Mark, I think I have just discovered a whole new species of Christian cosmology!

Look at this!

NOBODY goes to Heaven. Bummer for all those Catholic schoolkids who did all those Novenas to get the black babies out of Purgatory and into Heaven, eh?



Jenny

We seem to have a whole new species of discussion too. One I think I am best kept out of:

SJ believes virginities grow back, the enlightened poet is attacking the one who thinks he is mightly,  worthless has come up with a whole new interpretation of the fairy tale which is better than everyone else's and I have discovered I am not going to heaven. Bummer

I have prayed or rquested you do have a spiritual experience, do let me know if it happens.

Everryone including you deserves heaven.

P.S, in the second to last paragraph of Revelations, I belive.  It says, "and the holy Ghost and the Bride, said all who want to come to Heaven can." 

So, if you want to go to Heaven, just ask. 

sandra rinck wrote:

P.S, in the second to last paragraph of Revelations, I belive.  It says, "and the holy Ghost and the Bride, said all who want to come to Heaven can." 

So, if you want to go to Heaven, just ask. 

Chapter and verse Sandy...pleaseeee

sandra rinck wrote:

P.S, in the second to last paragraph of Revelations, I belive.  It says, "and the holy Ghost and the Bride, said all who want to come to Heaven can." 

So, if you want to go to Heaven, just ask. 

Yes its depends on the self,one must reach the point of I have had enough-dont want anything more.

mightyone wrote:

sandra rinck wrote:

P.S, in the second to last paragraph of Revelations, I belive.  It says, "and the holy Ghost and the Bride, said all who want to come to Heaven can." 

So, if you want to go to Heaven, just ask. 

Chapter and verse Sandy...pleaseeee

Revelations 22:17 Both the Spirit and the Bride say Come! Anyone who hears should say Come! And the one who is thirsty should come.  Whoever desires should take the living water as a gift."