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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   Alright, some know I'm pro-Obama but hey, I wish he was PM of Canada. Obama is so into equality, makes me cry   I did have to laugh at the expressions of some them congress members with the emphasis should be on care of  'the people' yeah, well, jus my thoughts,

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You would like someone who lies and is the most ineffective President ever? Take him he's yours!

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   Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

   I liked that the Democrats kept clapping and springing up and down and pretending that he had accomplishments when he didn't have any.
   
   Oh the best punchline was when Obama effectively said that he inherited debt from Bush but that the way to fix the economy was to get into more debt but then debt was bad and the government has to watch their expenses.  It was like watching a dog chase after his own tail.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Don't spoil it for me I am about to watch the rerun, but chasing his tail is an everyday occurrence.

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         Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I just wanted to warn you that he's using Biden and Pelosi as his background and left the fake Grecian columns in the shed.  I guess he thought Biden and Pelosi made better columns.

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            A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            She's been injected with so much botox she could be as stiff as a column, and Biden is retarded!

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      rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if he did much of anything else but he did head off a terrible depression.  Maybe that was a bad thing in the long run and maybe the banks should have been let to fail.  But the last time that happened it took us over ten long years and a World War to crawl out of the hole.
      
      If Obama beckons back to "W" it is with good reason.  "W" was bailing out of office the way he left most of the companies he had a hand in.  Either bankrupt or close to it.
      
      As everyone tells us about "W", only time will tell what kind of president he was.  At least we gave him eight years to screw it up.  Obama only gets a year?
      
      "Nothing is so admirable in politics as a short memory. "
      John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 - 2006)

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   I prefer one with good intentions over racists   Obama least mentioned on trying to get both parties to work together for the people not personal gain.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He will be available in 3 years. Don't worry his personal gain will come at the end of his Presidency when laws that he signed will benefit him the best.

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         Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Nah, Obama's not racist.  He bows to non-white royalty and heads of state but not to white royalty and heads of state.  He judges a white cop to be stupid even though he doesn't have all the facts. We'd love to send him to you now, but he insists on staying out his term.

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oh yeah, about trying to get both parties to work together, since he didn't do that the first year by shutting out the republicans from the discussions, I guess he had no choice but to do that this year since he might be accused of being partisan.

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   I don't see how hating Obama solves the issues you have about him whereas he must work with the parties and hasn't used his Veto powers at this point. I think it's way too early to even pass judgement.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      His Party controls everything Congress, Senate and the Presidency. Why oh why would he use his veto power to stop his agenda from being passed? Even with all of that he still can't get anything done.

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Who hates Obama? Some of us just don't think he's the god that can turn back global warming.  If anything, perceptions of Obama have become more realistic. And why would he use his veto powers when congress hasn't passed anything he disagreed with?

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   True, Obama is just a ordinary human being. He can't wave his wand and solve problems overnight. That's unrealistic.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ok, don't you think he should be able to get HIS own party to agree on something? That doesn't take a God just an effective,competent President, which he ain't!

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   A persons self-interests are threatened then yes, there will be disagreement and resistance. Obama is looking for compromise and gov't to care for the people not just their own agenda's (congressman, etc)

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Americans do not want Government to take care of us, what has government ever done that didn't cost three times as much as the private sector could do it for.

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "not just their own agenda's"?!?!

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   It's the people who make America for what it is not just the gov't I think downplaying powers from corporations is a good idea and health access for all people are great starts.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone has access to health care in America, it just isn't supplied by the government, the same government who gave us the IRS and the DMV.

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   Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

   "health access for all people" means more Canadians are going to the US for health care.  Where would we go? Mexico? Cuba? I don't think so.

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   Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

   It wasn't Obama's term that gave the health access  that's going on now and yes, Canada has Dr shortages but meeting that need with Nurse Practitioners.  Also, India offers some cheap prices for services that are gaining in popular useage.

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are kinda losing me, what about Obama and his term? Can a Nurse practitioner perform brain surgery,heart surgery? Not having enough Doctors because they are coming to the US to make money should be a clue as to what the problems will be!

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    A Texanposted 14 years ago

    Now he's talking health care reform, reform is what is needed. Start with the cost of health care not take it over!

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    It's the for-profit pharmaceutical companies that charge the hefty prices because of the high costs of manufacturing.   so they say

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       Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       and becasue coutries like Canada will not honor their Patent rights, thus producing low cost generics at the expense of the companies that developed the drug, Canada is not the only one just the closest one.

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          Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          It's so true Hmrjmr1, it pisses me off that foreigners get a deal but we don't.

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          Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I know quite well that Canada gov't sux lol

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             A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I didn't say that

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             Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Me neither

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                A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I agree but I didn't say it.

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes for profit! We are not communists we like profit, but Obama isn't doing anything to lower cost, hell, he is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies.

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    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    What health access going on now?  The bill hasn't even been put together and agreed by both houses.

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       Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The program running now I know Obama's is still on the table.

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    Hmrjmr1posted 14 years ago

    What I would like to see is the (supposedl) 80% of the reform legislation both sides can agree on. He's said it and the repubs have said it too, they need to get together and do that then see whats left..So far he hasn't taken a leadership role to accomplish this and has allowed his party in congress to shut the repubs out. Not gonna work after elections last week.

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       He will still try to shut out the other side, he is a true believer not a typical politician like Clinton.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Now that's what I like to see thank you  Hmrjmr1 you shared your reasonings and the rationale.

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    Hmrjmr1posted 14 years ago

    Look, Pres Obama is facing a new situation in American Politics and not handeling it well yet. The internet actually allows folks like me to read and comment on legislation, and we are doing exactly  that by the millions. We want to see and in fact demand the transparancy he keeps promising but has yet to deliver..eg Corn husker deal, the louisiana purchase etc in the senate.

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    A Texanposted 14 years ago

    How does this guy get away with the Pork Barrel stuff? He signed 800 billion dollars of pork spending, now he wants congress to be more open? Hypocrite!

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Have you voiced your concerns at the White House webpage or congressman, etc.   Obama can't read minds. Nobody can. Obama is still wet behind the ears but he will change, given time and I think we will see a leader thats why I said, I think it's still too early  to pass judgement.

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hell yes, he's done in 3 years and then he is all yours.

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       Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe so but if he doesn't actually start leading something he'll be dead in the water by the end of the year.. We aren't that patient. He was elected on promises of change and its still the same old crap on his watch. With no visible effort to make a change. Not sure if speech tonight has helped, we'll see.

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    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    Dame, the polls show that support for that Health Care bill has been declining so that now less than 50% support that bill. People have been calling representatives.  You'd think Obama would see that as a clue but he still insists on trying to pass that bill.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    I know that health bill issue has been avoided by past leaders too, he's trying to clean house and I think its admirable.

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Wasn't avoided, Americans do not want a Canada style health care system, it is not admirable its stupid!

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       Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       They weren't avoided, past leaders couldn't get it passed. He's not cleaning house, it's the voters that are cleaning out the democrats.

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          Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          In fact George W Bush got passed the Medicare Drug Legislation during his term to help Seniors, He led from the front on it and it passed. The pure politics of this so far are that he and the Dems wanted it to be contentious so when it passed they could say look what we did, (similar to civil rights leg in the 60's) and have folks beholden to them.
          That's the why of the way the legislation was crafted and ehy the repubs were cut out. It's backfired because we read the legislation and even an old soldier like me can see its not a good thing for our country the way they want to do it. Now he's got to compromise because that is the only way anything will get passed in the senate. Thanks to independents like me in Mass. God Bless em!

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             Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Just clarifying I don't live in Mass, I live in Georgia but the independent voters in Mass shouted it from the rooftops that we won't take that crap and you better start doing it right.

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                A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                It was a little confusing

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    As mentioned before , Obama INHERITED the current mess.

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And made it worse 3 fold!

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    He wasn't alone in the decision either

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No, you are correct, every Democrat voted for it and not a single Republican did! Dems made a bad mistake backing this loser and will pay the price in November!

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       Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, the majority democrat party in both houses passed it.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Dems passed all policies about the monies that the banks lost? how would you have resolved that problem?

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       His recovery bill was passed by only Democrats in the house and a few Republicans in the senate.

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          Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          As for the stimulus bill, that has been a miserable failure. Was suppose to keep unemployment below 8%. Now over 10%, because he focused on keeping folks in the benefit bubble instead of actually creating the conditions for business to create jobs. Now wants to spend more of the same, Not good.

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       Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don't slam Obama or congress for the TARP legislation though I think the Car Company Bailouts were overdone. And the Bank Bailouts had some real holes in it that shouldn't have been. But I would also remind you that it was started Under Bush and continued with Obama. The issue I have is tghe blame Bush mentality that continues a year later, it's time for him to take ownership good and bad and move forward. Bush is gone and thats that. It's on him now, he asked for the job, time to man up and take responsibility..

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    A Texanposted 14 years ago

    Its supposed to be "En masse"

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    A Texanposted 14 years ago

    Texans want him gone "en masse"!
    
    Well, except for the really stupid ones, thank god they are a minority!

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    I think his ideas regarding lobbyists and corporations is a good start. I didn't think too much of the auto bail outs either but the banks...that was really bad. People should be able to TRUST the bank but guess they (banks) know they are a necessity n so, devil may care, so what, spent $$ n teetered on bankruptcy national treasure would save em. ?

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Lobbyists? Oh you mean those people that would not be a part of his administration, oops, lied about that too!

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       Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       See half the story again, this all started when Congress told Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Responsible for 80% of Home and business mortgages) and The Fed Chairman to lower interest rates and structure loans so more low income folks could own a home. They did what Congress wanted, and the more the did and the riskier it got the more Congress (Dems in Charge by then) wanted it. Till  it started coming apart. Then Congress blamed them. and all the rest of the banks, Two of the biggest Targets right now (Goldman Sacks, and Morgan Stanley) weren't even banks at the time, The Treasury Sec and Fed Chairman begged them to become one so they could take over WAMU and and Lehman Bros. Now they are sucking up the blame.

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          Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          JP Morgan took over WAMU and Lehman was allowed to fail which affected all the international banks.

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             Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             JP Morgan took over Chase. Morgan Stanley bought up all the Lehman Assets and covered the SPIC insured accounts.

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                Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                   A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   And the US citizen got screwed!

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                      Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      All that has been ppaid back at 5% interet and then some with the Stock warrants. Its Citigroup that are slowly paying, and AIG, Fannie and Freddie that will probably never repay.

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                         A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I was talking about the entire package.

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                Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                No, JP Morgan Chase is different from Morgan Stanley, and it was JP Morgan Chase that took over WAMU.  I know this because I banked at WAMU and am now at Chase.  Chase is a very health bank. Morgan Stanley may have taken Lehman assets over of divisions that were not affected but the majority of Lehman was allowed to fail.

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                   Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   No argument on Lehman failing, it was Morgan Stanley that came in and kept the insured accounts whole at the request of the Treasury. And I concede the JP Morgan thing I had WAMU Credit cards that made the transition through he maze. But never the less the Last of the Investment Banks became retail banks at the insistence of the Government, had the TARP money pushed on them, paid it back with interest and are now taking the heat for the rest (Fannie Freddie and AIG)

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                      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Another thing, most of the big banks gave the tarp back because of governmental interference.  But the smaller banks are continuing to fail.  Obama made no distinction of this in his address.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Resistance will arise with those that stand to lose out on something or other yeah

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thats very profound, but what are you talking about? Americans are rejecting his policies, he works for us, the resistance comes from us, do you not understand that?

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          Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Referring to lobbyists not supporting Obama, attacking my intellect about not understanding won't go anywhere. Yes, the people will decide and live with their decisions in the end . I know that well.

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             A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I'm not attacking your intellect I just dont get why you don't see where the resistance is coming from. Its not his political enemies its the people he is supposed to represent!

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    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    It wasn't the banks that were totally at fault. It was the democrats.  They forced the banks to be part of a lending program by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, whereby they would loan to people who couldn't afford homes to buy a house with little or no money down and it snowballed from here.

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       habeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, Flight. That was mainly Bahney Fwank.

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          A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Penith!

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             Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             

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       Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Not during Obama's term  neither.

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          A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Correct! It didn't start in Bush's term either.

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             Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Housing bubble started around 1998 bubbled up from there and started to blow out in 2005.

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                A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                It all started in the 70's with Carter. Habee, you should be proud!

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                   habeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Kiss my grits! I didn't vote for Jimmah Cahta. I did go to college with his niece, though. We were on the senate together.

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                      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Ah a Southern colloquialism "Kiss my grits" gotta love it!

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             Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             In fact Bush tried to raise the alarm that there was problem put Bahney Fwank and the other dems just pooh-poohed it.

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                A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                That is correct!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    I have to agree with Dame Scribe...I wish he were PM of Canada, too!

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Why didn't I think of that, brilliant Habee!

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    Bush was bad in his second term, and Obama is going down that same road. When McCain suggested taxing big insurance policy during the campaign, BO blasted him for it. Now Obama is trying to do it - unfairly. Unions don't pay the tax, but the rest of us do. Totally unfair! I turned against the health care bill when BO sold us out to big Pharma. At that point, I realized he didn't really care about us. And what about all the pork in this bill? It's ridiculous. If they want health care reform that will truly benefit us, the bill wouldn't have so much pork attached to it. And why won't the dems include TORT reform? See who gets the huge donations from trial lawyers. Look it up - the information is available to the public. BO also promised that these negotiations would be on C-SPAN. Another broken promise.
    
    I actually believed that BO would be somewhat different. Silly me!

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    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    Didn't the heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac get those bonuses that were based on how many loans they processed through the programs?  Whatever happened to them? Shouldn't we get those back?  And they're supposed to be non-profit.

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       Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yep

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Health in Canada is governed by the gov't to prevent the high prices medical professionals can charge. US doesn't have that control so prices are set competitively between dr's and medical facilities plus adding other health services, for a price. So Canada loses their dr's. Prices will keep rising because there is a high population of elderly and upcoming generation with illnesses. Should there be a cap on health service charges or just keep paying out the high prices?

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Your government has taken away the incentive to become a Doctor, so now you have a shortage. That will happen here if this crap is passed, the answer is more competition to lower cost.

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       Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Frankly, it sounds like you guys are screwed.  If you cap, how are the medical professionals going to earn a living commensurate with their expertise. How are they going to maintain facilities. Also, how are they going to cover all that geriatric care.  Your gov't is going to have to decide who gets care and who doesn't (death panels).  This is what we're trying to avoid.

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          Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Dr's in Canada still perform procedures that helps to maintain their salaries and yes, we may have to wait. I don't mind waiting. Not sure I would be ready for surgery the next day

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       Hmrjmr1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Right now the insurance companies have exemptions from anti trust regul;ations, what doctors charge is what insurance companies will pay, the Drs haven't set their prices since the 60's.

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          Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          People pay insurance and getting denied access to care. and what about those that can't afford insurance.

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             Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             The reality is the majority of the people who pay insurance get treated and those that can't afford it get treated.  You've been talking and reading too many leftist people and programs.  But you're in Canada, so it's not like you get a lot of variety of views.

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                Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Getting a American education and family in the states, gave me a lot of views.

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                   Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   No, not really.  It's well known that American educators skew leftist/socialist.  And if you're family skews that way, well...

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                      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Skews, Thats an understatement.

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                         Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Hmm..no. Family working in  the health field and working in them myself, still provides a view.  Define skew

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             A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Nobody is denied access to health care.

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                Dame Scribeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                A few have been denied access to services or medicines for their illness that require out of pocket expenses .

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    Hmrjmr1posted 14 years ago

    Folks I gotta go have a good evening Be Koo EL !!

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    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    I gotta turn in as well. Night all.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    This topic was originally supposed to just be on thoughts of the SOTU address ended up with me being told I had some leftist/socialist American education in nursing. Nice. Thanks.

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       A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       you're welcome

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    PrettyPantherposted 14 years ago

    Looks like you had your hands full last night, Dame.  lol
    
    Here are my thoughts on the State of the Union address.  They'll be brief because I have to get ready and go to work soon.
    
    I liked that he challenged both parties to stop worrying about sound bites and behaving like every day is election day.  Specifically, he called out the Democrats for their cowardice and the Republicans for their opposition just for the sake of opposition.  This is what people on all sides are so angry about and this is what must change. 
    
    I liked that he's going to continue to fight for a health care bill. 
    
    My reaction to the targeted spending freeze is "meh."  It isn't really enough to have a large effect on the deficit, but it should play well with a certain sector of the public who always want to cut government spending.
    
    Repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell: it's about time.
    
    I liked that he will pushing for legislation to counter the recent Supreme Court ruling regarding corporations. 
    
    Overall, I thought his ideas will appeal to most Americans. The reality is that he will have to fight to overcome the Democratic scaredy-cats in the Senate and the Republican knee-jerk opposition to get anything done.

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    Hi Pretty Panther, thanks. I agree that Obama will have a fight on his hands but I think behaviors say a lot about a person and in Obama's case, a party lol. Opposition to do good things is a crime? yeah, ok. I just like giving benefit of the doubt and believing in those that want to do good things especially for others.

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