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united_wealthposted 14 years ago
I am sure that most of the people that subscribed to HubPages did so for one or both of the two reasons: 1. to be a "published" author/ writer; 2. to make some cash.

The problem is that it is vey difficult to really make money from advertising and it will take a long time before you will see a real check. Your quality of writing and will not get you much income here either. Look at the way the money is really made on these hub pages- it comes from small profits from large numbers and NOT QUALITY of your writing. By the way there is a name for this in economics: economies of scale.
That means that the only real winners are the hubpags owners who get 40% of all the writers earnings..
That being said what are the real money options for the rest of us?

Answer is: the unification of our wealth through an association of hubbers. Not all hubbers will make the same income from their hub, however their income will not top $400/ months. If we unify the income from 100 qualified hubbers.. we will get $40,000/ month.
Qalified hubber will be someone that will meet a certain criteria such as quality of writing and advertising/ royalty sales.

Anyway.. the details can be established later..

Out of the $40,000/ mo 3-4% will go towards the funds administration, 10% will go on the Association Fund and the rest will go for a monthly lottery drawing from the participant hubbers. As soon as a winner will be drawn they will be excluded from further drawings until all the left participants will have their win. Every month one of our paricipant hubbers will have a real win and 2 times a year our Association Fund will pay out "dividends" to all members from the cummulated income.
This way none will be left without pay and there will be a more realistic way to win a large guaranteed amount of money each month.

Other perks from this ASSOCIATION of HUBBERS will be better negotiaton power and more potential benefits for the hubbers.

I am looking for feedback from all of you.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently you're not hip to what works, when it comes to making money online. That's okay. There are plenty of people can get you informed, for which, would be a lot better than you are presently.
  
  Either way, Welcome to HubPages and please try to refrain claiming to be an expert at anything online. Because, the truth is in your post and it's obvious.
  
  Have a great day!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Could you write a hub on it and explain in detail?
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I HATE the lottery idea, but going back to the OP I think it's a bit of a red herring. The real problem is the idea of "qualified hubbers" creaming off everyone else's earnings. Bye bye incentives, hello graft and corruption (or at any rate the allegation thereof).
  
  Sorry, but no thanks.
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Am I the only one thinking about Shirley Jackson?
  
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who?
  
  :does a quick google:
  
  Ah.
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saltposted 14 years ago
sounds interesting, but dont think I fit your criteria...and dont quite understand how it works
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is ok...
  
  things can be explained in detail later.
  
  As a matter of fact all the hubbers from the Association will be asked to vote on most decisions.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
First of all who are you? One post and zero hubs. hmmm let me guess someone's sock puppet come to make mischief. Your post sounds like you can't make your own money so you want to take money from the people who know how.

Lastly how do you know who the Top 100 Hubbers are and how much they make? It's my understanding that not even HubPages knows how much we make from our personal accounts.

HubPages has a vast earning potential for Hubbers who want to treat it like a business and do the work.
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  livewithrichardposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly! Plus the top earners here don't earn all their money solely from this site. Many of us have several online properties each adding to the total picture. So, OP go write some hubs or go start your own rev/share site.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can see you are happy with what you make. That is fine.
  But I do not understand what is your problem with other people joining?
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  Mike Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The problem is not with other people joining Socialist Hub Workers Unite or whatever it is, it is with your presentation.
  
  Offer something of substance. Do the work. Then you can panhandle participation, IMO.
  
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  livewithrichardposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My problem is with scammers like you attempting to take advantage of a community I enjoy. You are a non-entity here at HP. You've contributed nothing, and you have no idea what the owners of this site profit. A million members? Try just over 130,000 with the majority of them having earned nothing and non active. I would guestimate there are probably 10% of that number that are active here at least on a weekly basis.
  
  Your economics is the same scam crap that is spewed by MLMers. So, please take it somewhere else this is not the community for you.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi
  
  I am not sure how you came up with all this conclusions.. However I am not sure how was I profiting from this?
  
  This is lottery so more of the money will come to us, not to mention dividends. I am a writer but also a business person and it is impossible for me not to see how much work and time will be necessary to make a small income. That is proven already and not my apprecation of things. My time is important to me and I do not like the idea of hard work and small pay.
  
  Let me ask who's interests do you represent here?
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IzzyMposted 14 years ago
Can't work, simply because the top hubbers, who are earning megas now, will not want to split their earnings in any way.
The rest of us just need to keep plugging onwards, with the hope that one day our earnings will actually keep us.
Meanwhile, those of us with actual talent for writing are getting great practise in, and one day may become published authors in our right, in print.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi-
  
  I did want to reply to you personally.. because the way this whole hubpages works is actually on NUMBER of MEMBERS and NOT as much on how much each of them makes..
  
  I'll give you an example to help you understand
  1penny from 100 people is 1 dollar and from 1000 is 10 dollars and from 10,0000 is 100 dollars ..
  but think how many members they have on this site over a million.. that gives them from all of you $100,000 assuming a single penny pay.
  Of course they collect more than that and all they have is 14 employees to share with and very little costs associated with an online business.
  Trust me when I tell you the POWER is in the NUMBER OF MEMBERS.
  
  As long as each member will just write a hub a week the money will be coming in.
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, my understanding is that they split the revenue earned from the adverts on your pages. 40% of the time, they get all of it, and 60% of the time, you get all of it.
  If no-one ever clicks on an ad, they don't make money either. So where do you get this 1p for every 100 members? Oh yes I do, every hundred page views make me 1p more or less. Hardly millionaire stuff but with thousands of members it all adds up. I don't have a problem with that.
  Hubpages get the traffic I would be hard pushed to find out on my own. I'm happy with that.
  Of course they push you to write more hubs. Why else have the 30/30 challenge? At the end of the day it is more revenue for them. They are running a BUSINESS. It also makes you more money.
  I'm still struggling to see how you think that a co-operative would work (as you seem to be suggesting).
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  united_wealth, why don't you put your money where your mouth is - set up a website in competition with HubPages, where you can put your proposal into practice. Then see if you can do it better than HP.
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Mike Rogersposted 14 years ago
Terrible general idea and equally terrible presentation to a community that you don't even participate in.

Mike
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  Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I bet they particpate regularly. I'd love to know who's sock puppet this is.
  
  They are trying to stir up trouble or make a point whatever it is. Disgruntled former hubber whatever, regular flouncer... hard to know.
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  Mike Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They'll give it away eventually with some slip of the tongue. They always do
  
  Mike
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...
  I can answer each of you in a meaningful way.
  
  1. If you do not like the idea for whatever reason that is fine but I do not see why you care if others join?
  2. I do have my own blog and I am a good writer otherwise I would not even start this whole idea. However, I do not like to write and waste my time for pennies.
  3. I tried make people understand simple finance and economics.. and to let them see that is impossible for them to materialize on hubpages as a single writer. It is clear that the advantage here is with the hubpage owners that make millions on pennies from each of you without really giving back that much- except "Pen and Paper and an AVERAGE MARKED RATED PAGE/ BOARD just 5 out 10"
  4. Sorry the numbers I got are from hubpages guide and there they tell you what top writers make. It is NOT a number I came up with.
  5. I am sorry to see my good intentions attacked like this. Too bad you cannot see how "OTHERS" are really making money on you.
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  Mike Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can probably forget about making a killing as the "Queen Mary" of Hubpages "intra-member" revenue sharing.
  
  Your boat has already sunk and just three feet from the dock
  
  Mike
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow...
  
  Why are you so concerned about my wealth?
  
  It is like you cannot see the forest from the tree?
  
  I think the correct way to profit is by sharing wealth. Otherwise you have few people taking advantage of a large mass. That is not proper or ethical.
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Great to meet you, I have a problem with your math and your writing. 1 penny per hubber does not make $100,000 from 132,000 Hubbers. Many of whom have left having never written a single hub, and some who haven't written in a year or more so are likely gone. as for your writing you said:
  
  "Your quality of writing and will not get you much income here either."
  
  which is not even a sentence. Where I went to school the teacher would make you start all over again, but here you can edit. Did you actually read anything you wrote? Proof reading is a major part of writing.
  
  Furthermore, your bachelors degree did nothing for your spelling, you spelled it wrong on your profile page.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again is amazing to me how misinformed you are. Why you do not their blog- they just posted their new numbers as of February. - more than a million per their say .
  
  This is a business matter not English literature class- I think you are missing the point. This is about money and ethics.. NOT spelling
  
  I m not even sure where you got that broken sentence...
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  relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That broken sentence probably came from the same source as the one quoted below...
  
  And you seem to have missed the point of this site: HubPages is sharing the wealth with users who create high-quality, desirable content.
  
  Sock puppets with no Hubs who are out for a Saturday troll need not apply.
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I got the broken sentence from your Original post above, I copied and pasted it. Paragraph 2.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate your idea. There are many rude people here but don't worry about them. If you have something valuable to offer and they reject it, they lose. Instead of allowing the interested to listen to your ideas they will hijack this thread and try to convince others to think it is silly.
  Welcome to Hubpages.
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readytoescapeposted 14 years ago
I find it quite absurd that after a total of 69 minutes of membership you have the temerity to offer such a thinly veiled scam. Your rather unskilled attempt is nothing more than an effort to line your own pockets from the talents of others.

Perhaps you should ply your scam on another site where your proposal will not be viewed or scoffed at by our considerably well-educated and savvy community.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is someone paying you to write this?
  
  I have a European Union acknowledgment in Business Ethics and I am the type of person that fight for the better good. It did bother me to see all theses people being used for the profit of 3- 4 people.
  
  If you would really have the best interest at heart of these hubbers you will see that this is the only site that does not even rewards for refferals.
  
  I m sure that the majority of the hubbers can see I am right.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0MEzZAr … re=related
  
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  lynnechandlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Arthur that is scary,
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  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So is a guy who thinks he knows what is best for others. LOL
  
  btw: What is a European Union acknowledgment in Business Ethics Is it kinda like the GED of college diplomas?
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  JamesCurtisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is a European Union acknowledgment in Business Ethics
  
  It's a google whack - I guess he's the only one to have one
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would assume since you claimed to be a writer you would write some hubs.
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Arthur Fontesposted 14 years ago
Sounds like a "Right To Earn" proposal.
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Mike Rogersposted 14 years ago
The first impression, united_wealth, is the lasting impression. Might have been the best idea since automated toilet flushers, but all has been lost through an ill-conceived shabby presentation.

Mike
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes that, along with poor proof reading, misspelling his own degree, and the math does not add up. Why do people want to mess with a good thing?
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mike-
  
  as you said it is just an idea. Not a proposal yet. I am looking for people to join in and write the proposal with me. It is actually more than that it will need a policy and a mission statement, voting, etc.
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relacheposted 14 years ago
Lotteries in many states and countries is considered gambling, which then comes under some very strict rules and even makes this a prohibited practice for a lot of places. Which is the same reason that HubPages contests aren't open to all users everywhere.

How would you deal with the legalities of this?

/wishes we had an epic fail tag on this site
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wish I could grant your wish, this has been an epic fail.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ... How about we don;t call it a lottery since is technically a distribution of our earnings.. It i up to us how we do that.. and if a drawing is our method I am not sure how is that illegal?
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
United Wealth why don't you start your own cooperative site and see it how it goes. Share the wealth that you generate there. Let us know how it goes.

Of course you'd have to have the skills the the HP team does. Yes, they make money - I hope a lot. They've got a wealth of knowledge and expertize that allows them to design and maintain a site like this.

The traffic that this site attracts is both a function of hubbers and the expertize of the HP team.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nelle-
  
  I am sure HP team has good knowledge and expertise, but so do a lot of people on this site including myself. I am sorry to say their re-investment from their profits is not enough. In other words they take more than they give back. That is why they rank in visibility just 5 out of 10, and they do NOT reward for referrals.
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  blondepoetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You tell 'em Nellie...
  I will be your cheerleader anyday. xo
  
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Shadesbreathposted 14 years ago
So let me see if I understand this:

Say, 1000 hubbers get togethether and pool their hub income of pennies. Let's call it $0.05

1000 x 0.05 = $50

So, with your awesome idea, each person, who DID have only a nickel, can participate in that larger sum of money. Minus some fees. Let's do that real quick, before redistribution.

"3-4% goes to funds administration" (I'm assuing you)
And 10% to "association fund."

4% of $50 = $2
10% = $5
2 + 5 = 7
50 - 7 = 43

Then you have a lottery and one person gets $43 bucks, the other 999 get "dividends" from the $5 dollars.

Going CD rates can be as awesome as 4%. So, at the end of a year, figured at this optimistic percentage:

$5 x 1.04 = $5.20
5.20 ÷ 999 = $0.00520

So, everyone but the winner gets $0.005 or 1/2 of 1 cent back for their original 5 cent investment, but with the added bonus of knowing one person got $43 bucks and the admin got $2.0052, a 400% return on his nickel.

Seems to me like there are two winners and 998 losers.

In the end, it always comes down to individual hard work. Any other scheme or political structure is just one fast talker trying to get the lazy, the undisciplined and the unlucky to rally against the motivated and the fortunate. While they shout and protest, said fast talker slips through the crowd picking their pockets.
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  livewithrichardposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now there's some math that put's it in REAL perspective.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry your numbers are wrong because your assumptions are not realistic.
  
  The only thing you prioved is that 100% of nothing is nothing.
  
  I must thank you that at least you took the time to try to understand.
  
  It is virtually impossible that 1,000 people will makr 5 cents a month. You are missing the law of large numbers.. meaning that the income will be more uniformed because wauhen some people wii have a bad month the others will compensate.
  Thus will be more justice because their will be no work with no pay.
  You are also wrong if you think this is a scheme to promote the lazy or untalented- by contrary this is a way to make more use of your money, to reduce the risk of hard work and no pay.
  .. and there will be quota that each member will need to meet.
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  Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, you are actually trying to make something from nothing, because a pittance x any number is only a significant number until it gets redistributed back to a pittance, minus fees.
  
  What you are proposing is absurd mathematically.
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Rafiniposted 14 years ago
with a name like United Wealth, this hubber is no hubber
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ... ok-
  why don' t you propose another name?
  
  this should not be a problem.
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  Rafiniposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the point is not WHAT your name is, but what it stands for in connection with your profile AND your insane proposal.
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skyfireposted 14 years ago
1. Hit and run post.

2. We share ads on time basis with hubpages and that is enough of sharing.

3. Like me, many other hub members hunt for food(err money) instead of clinging on each other to take share. Let's have some pride instead of being a leech.

4. Participate in community before you even ask community for some feedback.

5. Please post your top 100 earners list.

6. If my guess is correct this poster have any relation with :
hubexiles.ning.com ?
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zampanoposted 14 years ago
This proposal sounds like french politics.
I'll make you happy in spite of yourself.
Sounds familiar...

But if if HP added value is this site's CMS + exposure, maybe a page rank of 5/10 is poor.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
This is just a guy who can't figure out how to make Hubs that make money, so he wants to take it from the people who can.

Just a bunch of sour grapes - looking for company.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no..
  
  i am not even a guy..
  
  People understood that United Wealth will give them the benefit of getting more reward for their money.
  
  It seems to me that people prefer to be exploited for pennies and make rich 2-3 people rather than share their potential wealth.
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As Elwood Blues says, "I know about that stuff, I've been exploited all my life."
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHa_jqxnn4o
  
  There is another site that uses a type of revenue sharing model. If hubbers prefered that model, they would write there instead. And many do.
  
  This site is an open platform with no membership fee, no hosting fee, free tools, and support from top to bottom. Nobody is being exploited here.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What about the lottery option?
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No.
  
  It's a ridiculous idea. I won't even give it a possible maybe.
  
  You are saying this is to reduce "the risk of hard work and no pay".
  I am saying, if you are working hard and not getting paid, you need to either put in the effort to learn how to do it right, or find yourself something else to do.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
You're no newbie Hubber. Just some malcontent troll looking to rake up some discord.
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Mike Rogersposted 14 years ago
Aside from entertainment value this poster has less than nothing to offer.

I'd guess it's just someone looking for a little companionship in any form on a cold Saturday by making outlandish statements and in some perverse way enjoying the reactions.

In other words, a troll

Mike
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readytoescapeposted 14 years ago
This appears more like an evolving Nigerian email than a forum
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  Mike Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not even sure it's that advanced
  
  Mike
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  readytoescapeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you send me your Hub Page earnings, I will send you your 100 million dollar diamond inheritance from South Africa. Please include your banking and routing information so we can properly file your claim with customs officials. Once we have this information you will receive your legacy deposit within 1.4 million years.
  
  Thank you
  
  Okalahomo
  Princess of Nigeria
  Business Ethics Department
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  Mike Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  Mike
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you are getting racist now and this is outside the law..
  
  I am not NIGERIAN, I am EUROPEAN.
  
  I
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  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are just trying to create confusion so people cannot see the truth.
  
  Very lame...
  
  you are not even giving your name...
  READY to escape... - this shows who is the fraud here.
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  Miekaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't given your name either
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I did under my profile.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sweetie pie - you are missing the point. There is a way to approach a community with an idea - and this ain't it.
  
  LOL - united wealth?
  
  I checked your profile LOLOLOLO - You might want to learn the correct use of English before assaulting the community with this ridiculous idea.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...
  I am sorry but it is ridiculos is to see a bunch a people that
  don't seem to see despite the numbers that the only people here winning millions is the HP team.. using a charity model.
  
  Meaning they collect from all of you and do not share their wealth with anyone. They are the only ones promoting untalent and lazyness because they make their money even if you don't write good articles.
  
  With my model people will have to work hard.. because if they do not work they will have nothing to share.
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Umm
  The HP team is winning millions? with a charity model?
  huh?
  This site is not a non-profit enterprise. You don't seem to be aware of that.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know who this united_wealth person reminds me of. It's the guy who wrote a crap hub on how to increase traffic, and a couple of months later started a thread moaning about... his lack of traffic!
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CodyPhrenismposted 14 years ago
If you view this site as a way to make a few people rich, you are right - however you neglect that fact that this website was made by the same exact type of people you were trying to recruit. There is not distinction in classes on the internet. This site is an opportunity for many things, if we were forced to participate then it would be bad, however hubpages is a choice and the "socialistic revolt" logic doesn't apply.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry I have to disagree.
  
  Under my proposal I shift the income potential from few to many.. given by chance. That is why my system is more honest.
  
  The problem with HP is that you are selling an illusion.. and you materialize on this.. It takes a long time and effort for some to see that they will never become "published authors"..
  ..you also promise more than you deliver.. and in the long-run with this approach you will loose your business.
  You need to start thinking more about your hubbers now and how to give them back more of your wealth.
  overall you did a good job...
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  relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So let me see if I understand you correctly...
  
  I am making hundreds of dollars per month from this site, so you think I should take my money, give it to you, you take a cut of it and then by chance it will be given randomly to someone else.
  
  The only honesty in that idea is that it is honestly the least intelligent idea I have ever heard in my entire life.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As always, on point.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure you are not one of the people who work for getting their money and you represent the profiters..
  
  I never said what you are suggesting...
  It is not about getting your money cut.. is about more money together at all times.. and it is also a chance to make good money like only the HP benefit at this time.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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Miekaposted 14 years ago
Haha, this thread made me laugh!

United Wealth, there are some people out here who work really hard, and therefore earn a decent amount of money. Because your earnings do reflect the work you put in to some extent. So you want the people to work really hard, and maybe make several hundreds of dollars each month, to hare their wealth with the people who work less hard, and make less money.
It is never going to work here. So move along now. Or maybe put some effort into writing a hub, that way you might start to understand what you are actually talking about. How do you expect us to listen to someone who claims to be an expert, yet clearly has no idea how hubpages work, and how to make money here.

Ow, and hubpages does have a referral program. You get 10% of the page views of any hubber you refer, and this 10% comes out of hubpages' share, not out of that of the hubber.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did not mean to get paid for getting hubbers..
  
  I meant when you transfer these people contacts and their followers you have exposure and pay nothing for it.
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Arthur Fontesposted 14 years ago
Under my proposal I shift the income potential from few to many.. given by chance. That is why my system is more honest.

All you would need to do is start a site get people to sign up and do whatever you want.

What makes you feel you have the right to try and come into someone else's business and try to tell them how to run it.

Not very ethical actually kind of arrogant.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because your site is making money as a said on charity model and you are a NOT a charity..
  I think people should be informed of what they are really getting.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
So how many hubs have you written under other identities? Or how many frustrated forumer hubbers have you been talking to?

Basically you've insulted most of this community by saying that they don't have the talent to become a success on HP. That they'll never be able to earn it - so they have to get some by luck.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No,
  
  What I said is that the way your model is constructed you only have few people profit indefinetly and your model makes money on untalented people as well as talented ones..
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KeithTaxposted 14 years ago
United Wealth, you seem to have an aversion to others making money, ie. HubPages owners/management. I personally have no problem with HubPages making money. In fact, I hope they make lots'o money.

Why? Beacuse if they makes bunches of cash, hubber are also making money. Anyone jealous at the "easy money" management is supposedly making, should start their own site and take it to'em.

You can also start your own website and blog if you like and share none of the revenue. Many here have.

Of course, if you really want to keep all the cash, start your own search engine and take it to Google.

United Waelth, most folks here are good natured and hardworking. Be nice. It goes a long way.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ... sorry what your are saying let the sheep follow one another and never ask for more..
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Mike Rogersposted 14 years ago
What little entertainment value this poster provided has now dwindled to invisible levels. Yawn.

Later tonight I'll try spicing it back up by introducing my "Fly Around the World in a Washing Machine" membership revenue sharing program. Every quarter gets you one mile inside the tub, and a free load of wash.

Drying of course will be extra

Mike
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  ChristinaScibonaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
My family has an online business now in it's 3rd year. Our expenses are very high and none of it is cheap. A well monitored base of users of this size is expensive as hell to run, that much I know. You need exceptional skills to bolt the right platform together and keep it up to date as well as ongoing training.
I hope hubpages makes money.
The market has deemed that their system is not one sided and that writers earn as well here as on other sites.
Where is the strong competition? If any site is better, this one would not be growing, it would be shrinking like so many others.
It hubpages was unfair in the real world it would not start with such a good position on google either.
Try to get down in the hundreds in google with a site. Not easy.

Hubpages is free, completely free and especially easy with a complete and effective set of SEO tools right on the page.
Hubpages rocks!
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ..
  
  this site is not growing.. is in decline..
  and I can see why.. because a lot of people feel cheated at the end of the hubpages experience.
  
  I wish Hubpages makes money too.. but in a more ethical way by giving more to those who pay them.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Explain how hubpages is in decline ? With paegrank ? with revenue ?
  
  And how it is cheating ?
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Earnest does your family business have an affiliate program?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No Nellie, but it does run a big subscriber base, and a shopping cart with auto responders.It has run on AdWords campaigns very well, but has been an expensive and difficult process getting it automated despite having a bit of in house talent.
  We may look at affiliations after my daughter produces her next product.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Earnest, I would be interested in the affiliate, should you do decide to go with it. Let me know via email. Please?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure thing Cags.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Well let me know if you decide to have an affiliate program and take Americans. Love to help a family business!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nellie I would be honoured.
  As my daughter is the boss, I will have to let her make any further marketing decisions, but I would be happy to deal with people like yourself and Cagsil.
  You are quality all the way as people, and my business experience taught me that it is ALL about the people.
  I have not seen any models for affiliate set ups from my daughter yet, and she is taking a break at the moment from 5 children, but I expect her second product to be ready for sale within a few months.
  We have many American and English customers.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Well, I think that just about covers it. I think someone can email HubPages and close the thread to replies.

Good job Shadesbreath.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Shadebreath ONLY PROOVED everyone the CHARITY MODEL...
  
  Thanks Shadebreath from showing that if you do not work the only winners are HP team .. because they make money from all of you regardless of talent.
  
  Shadebreath showed one very important point that under my model people have to work because they share.
  And no, it does not mean that some people work for others it means that they help each other... and it could be you they cover for one month while you cover for another in another month. It is just fair.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Shadebreath showed that if you collect from all and pay to none you profit.
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  Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to try once more to help you out, in case you really aren't just trolling, here goes:
  
  You're correct in this statement you made above, but you are incorrect in your application of it. Here's why: there are two elements involved in the HubPages model, and only one element being considered in that statement. The two elements are EFFORT (labor), and MONEY (cash, moolah, scrib).
  
  HubPages does not "collect" anything. They provide an online publishing set-up that gives people easy mechanisms by which they can put stuff online. In short, HubPages put in their EFFORT and created the website that everyone uses. Everyone puts in their EFFORT and post articles on here some good, many abominable. The exchange is even, EFFORT for EFFORT.
  
  This exchange is perhaps even unfair in favor of us article writers, because, frankly, a lot of the stuff that goes up is crap, or worse, and HubPages has to PAY PEOPLE to keep scraping the crap off their website's walls.
  
  The second element, MONEY, is what you are talking about when you talk about people's earnings. You say HubPages is "collecting from all and pay to none." Since you cannot "pay" with effort, you are obviously talking about MONEY. HubPages does not collect anyone's money. Nor do they pay anyone money. They split money from adsense revenue.
  
  If I write the biggest piece of crap article of all time and post it on HubPages, they will still have to pay for the server that my fecal article is on, regardless of the fact that it is making ZERO MONEY. In fact, they LOSE money because they have to pay someone to monitor my crappy article to make sure it's not porn or some other thing. The financial risk is all on them.
  
  What you hate is that they are making money off of the volume of people who are trading in their EFFORT for a shot at MONEY. But any money that anyone gets is in direct relationship to the quality of their hubs or, at the very least, the quality of their marketing skills to do SEO stuff that gets people to click on crappy hubs. That is completely outside of the even exchange of HubPages initial and ongoing effort to fund, create and maintain this writing website and the effort of those who think they write well enough, or SEO/market well enough to make money.
  
  The money HubPages collects is not taken from you. It's taken from people you have no access to. Whining about it is sour grapes.
  
  Write more. Write better. Write somewhere else. They aren't harvesting you.
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ChristinaScibonaposted 14 years ago
I haven't made a cent from this site and I think this is a very dumb and risky idea....who would even be in charge of this money....you? Fat chance in that.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...
  It is an ASSOCIATION EVERYONE OWNS the money unlike HP.
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saltposted 14 years ago
Izzy made a good point and most people here are really good at giving others ideas and guidance regarding how to do things...

I did think a little lottery or prize type thing would be fun, but not something dodgy....
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figmentposted 14 years ago
I'm open for the idea if its choice given to the hub writer. If you want to pay to have somewhat of a stock investment, then you make a profit in return, but its a choice.
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Jane@CMposted 14 years ago
We need to develop a new online spray "troll begone", eliminating trolls from pesky not-even-funny forum posts.
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Pearldiverposted 14 years ago
Honestly... Is this lottery considered to be an idea???

This is an insult to the realm of ideas and intelligent people!

Why don't you start a ChainLetter instead??

You know... even if English isn't your first language.. you can put your own name as being the first six recipients of your ChainLetter earning list! Pretty Smart eh??
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...
  what is an insult is the stupidity to not recognize a beter model for the greater good over a very mercantile model.
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ..
  
  I think I proved my point... I consider I won this challenge because I have not been shown that my model is not functionable or profitable for all.
  I am happy that all these ENGLISH experts did not have the logical or mathematical skills to beat it.
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  Miekaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hahaha
  
  I think you've been proven wrong several times. If not, please explain your model a bit clearer, because obviously no one is getting it or agrees with you.
  
  Nobody wants to join you, so I think that is a failure in itself, regardless of the whether your math is wrong or right.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Since when on earth lottery is considered as best model to earn ? Are we all living in Nigeria ?
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
United Wealth you still haven't explained how you can be an expert on this website. How many hubs have you written? How many hubbers have you talked to? Where are you getting your information on the money hubbers make.

You have come to this site with a very negative attitude, which I can only assume comes from experience gathered under another name or from disgruntled hubbers who are here or who have left.

Or you have been writing here a while and can't make a go of it.

It's very hard to believe that you woke up today and felt the need to make HubPages a better place.

There is something about all of this that just doesn't smell right. More than likely you woke up and decided to try to foment rebellion at HP for your entertainment or revenge.

I truly think you should start your own website with your model. I'm sure if it's as successful and fair as you claim it will be, many Hubbers and ex-Hubbers will be flocking to your site.
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relacheposted 14 years ago
HEY, LET'S ALL JUST STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!

It's clear this person is just getting off on all of us being angry and the attention it's brought them.

If we all just stop posting, this all comes to an end.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Okay I'll stop and go to bed. But she's so entertaining and evasive. Goodnight Relache.
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skyfireposted 14 years ago
I doubt this troll will stop, there is something fishy going on. The way she says about knowing revenue model in hand, i'm sure that she is ex-hubber with no idea of time-sharing ad rotation model and unhappy with how people are getting paid.

Maybe it's time to request ban on this "sock puppet".
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All these false accusations.
  
  I never been a hubber I can assure you of this 100%. All my data was gathered because I was contemplating on joining in when I noticed all these huge issues.. that you seem to ignore.
  
  One important thing I did is read other hubber's posts and you will you find the complains there. As a wise person I try to learn from other people's experiences rather my own.
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sunforgedposted 14 years ago
Dear OI, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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sunforgedposted 14 years ago
EPIC Fail (as requested)

quite apt, i may add
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Our wishes are granted! You don't look anything like a Fairy Godmother, but I'll take it!
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I can't see it. It wont load.
  
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MyWebsposted 14 years ago
omg this fool is still spouting off his socialist lottery BS? Geez he should learn to put money in his own pocket or get back in the line for another gov. handout since I'm sure thats all he understands.
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cindyvineposted 14 years ago
Oh Lordy, lordy, lordy
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  united_wealthposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I had no intention to come in to disturb anyone.
  
  As I mentioned I NEVER been a HUBBER and I do not think I WILL EVER become one until the following changes would occur:
  
  (Please take this as constructive criticism)
  
  1. Hubbers will get UNIONIZED to get more rights/ power;
  2. there will be credit given for any contacts every hubber brings in through personal social networks, or address book.. because these readers are the ones that generate income.. and this fact is not acknowledged-
  3. there will be some re-allocation of income:
  14 people get 40% of income while 1 mil people/ hubbers get 60%..
  NOT FAIR!
  4. HP Team will remember that the HUBBERS should be taking management decisons because they own the company by 60%.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then...you might as well leave right now because there is as much chance of this happening as there is of flying monkeys.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He/she has a right to be here as much as anyone and to express his ideas.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  By the way read FAQ's again, hubbers hold 60% ad impressions.
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HubPages is a business. How do you justify a demand to re-allocate the income this site generates?
  You are out of your mind if you don't see a problem with whining about this. Sorry Charlie, but "not fair" is not a valid point. There are no fees associated with this site.
  This is nearly as ridiculous as the argument that moderating the forums and imposing content rules is a violation of free speech.
  
  Enough now. Cut it out.
  
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I love these Facepalm pics - sometimes a picture really does express it better than words LOL.
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know, right?
  
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What sort of rights did you have in mind?
  
  As I understand it, the readers who generate income are the ones who find your hubs via the search engines - not people who come to your hubs via social networking.
  
  The people who run Hub Pages have provided me with a platform to publish my writing on more or less any subject I like (with a few restrictions). They get 40% of any income I generate through ad clicks/Amazon commission. In return for that, I get better ranking in the search engines than I could have achieved on my own. Plus I don't have to fiddle around with any programming/HTML. Seems like a fair trade-off to me.
  
  That's up to HP staff. If they want to co-opt members to help make decisions, then it's not a bad idea. But it's their choice.
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
Whatever, most people do not write so that those who can barely string two sentences together can get a share of their hard work.

I don't feel cheated at all. I take time to write good articles. You only get out of a site what you put into it.

And, as others have said, running a lottery involves a lot of legal maneouvering.
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skyfireposted 14 years ago
Fair enough.

Then there is flaw in your observation about hubpages. Some people on one of forum told me hubpaegs will not work, but i proved them wrong. I earned enough from here in short time. Hubpages is not for poetry,short story writing etc using it as source to showcase is another thing but earning from adsense/ebay for poems/writing is another and it hardly works for people so let's get this straight as advertisers don't bid high on these type of writings. This site is similar to squidoo but has more possibilities cause many publishers, internet marketers lurk on forums, on hubs for opportunities and for creating contacts, networking etc.

Big issues that you raised are not there to begin with. Why on earth anyone will make lottery of their earning ? I don't want to. I get 60% time sharing for ads and i'm earning from it, it's fair for me and hubpages. Any idea about time sharing concept if you think it is flawed ?

Nobody wants to share their earning on lottery basis. We work and we get paid. Let's get real. I don't want to share my revenue with some Scientology writer or some church preacher who loves brother Micah speech. Do you understand this flaw in lottery model ?

Hubpages members are calling you as troll cause you came up with wrong business model and any seasoned writer can see through such failed-lottery thing.

Hubpages have issues with banning and etc i have to agree. But what other complaints you think of ? Revenue ? get yourself educated on revenue model first. Hubpages shares adsense, amazon, ebay,kontera
on time sharing basis so if you claim about it as wrong model and if any hub member is whining about earning then i'll think of it as ignorance instead of serious cry against hubpages. Why hubpages model is working for almost anyone who is putting effort for about 1-2 months ? answer this before saying that there are genuine complaints. I think from revenue generation side those complaints are vague.

Any wise person analyze views of his own and others and then draws conclusion instead of just using " people's experiences" for coming to conclusion.
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skyfireposted 14 years ago
@united_wealth, your profile says you're from background of business finance etc. and have you checked up concepts like "internet marketing", "keyword targeting", "impression sharing" before coming up with lottery model for content-network like hubpages ?

*beats me*

For the love of cheryl cole,i hope people who fall prey to your this lottery-model will give second thought before joining you.
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Jason Menayanposted 14 years ago
One thing that's nice about having a completely transparent business model is that we don't have to rely on our own word to defend our practices.

Revenue (actually, impressions) share is 60% to the author, 40% to HubPages. Now, you can start a Blogger blog and have 100% of the AdSense impressions. Obviously there are reasons why Hubbers use HubPages over (or in addition to) blogs, and this share hasn't changed in the 3 1/2 years I've worked here and never will. You certainly can't say we haven't been absolutely clear about what we offer and if it doesn't work for you, naturally, there are other options out there.

60% of impressions doesn't mean (partial) ownership of the company. However, you do own your own content and can unpublish and/or delete your Hubs at will. We also do our best to respond to users' requests and suggestions in improving the site.

The impressions share works to everyone's advantage because we are incentivized for your Hubs to get traffic. This is why we spend a lot of time weeding out the spam, publicizing the site, running contests, educating users on how to write to get traffic, etc which all help the good-quality content get visibility and ranking with the search engines. If you get traffic and money, we get money, too.

If Hubs aren't getting traffic, there is not much we can do about it beyond what we already do. We educate (like via the Learning Center) what we believe are best practices, but we are not Google or Bing and can't get you better rankings than you're getting, despite our own wishes.

Our site is very clearly not in decline; we continue to grow and you can see the overall traffic and visitor progress here:
http://www.quantcast.com/hubpages.com

All that said, not everyone has to publish in order to make money, and that is perfectly fine with us. The cost of hosting pages that are not commercial is very low, and if poetry, art or other non-commercial content has value to people then we support that. High-quality non-commercial content can even help with other Hubs' rankings in that it can still get backlinks into the site. Naturally, we draw the line at content that is clearly exploitative (spam) or low-quality.
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  Mike Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jason,
  
  There is a tremendous amount of hard work that goes into building and promoting a site such as Hubpages.
  
  I just wanted to say "thank you" for creating such an effective revenue sharing platform and allowing me to be a member of it.
  
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  Jason Menayanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you just the same! We are both incentivized to seek each other's success.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Hey Jason, can we now get rid of this thread.
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Jason Menayanposted 14 years ago
I'll leave it up to our moderation team to decide on that.
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