Birth of Obama

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   SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIV1ntYggc
   
   
   I'd like to see more in depth research on this issue. The lawyer in this video is a Democrat. If he thinks its the right thing to do to look more fully at this issue, I think we need to be concerned.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Obama's birth has been thoroughly documented. He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. There is a torrent of crapola circulating on the Internet about Obama. You have nothing to be concerned about. Obama is a well-educated, brilliant and loyal American. There is nothing sinister about him. I suggest you read the two autobiographical books he has written. I'm sure you would be impressed.

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         Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Obama is good stuff, and someone like him is what we really need right now.
         
         If he gets the Presidency we may well end up with a third seriously viable ticket too, (libertarian party) by the time 2012 rolls around.
         
         If McCain gets elected, well, I just hope he doesn't and will vote accordingly.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Concision
      Shorter McCain Campaign: Obama's a black, socialist, Muslim terrorist homo.
      
      --Josh Marshall

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   Illuminati Pictures? "I'd like to see more in depth research on this issue." There is no more. You should join
   "Mudrakers for McCain". I'd like to see some in depth research on Johnny.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Video by Illuminati Pictures. 
   
   In the 'THE OBAMA - AYERS CONNECTION' thread started by Prophecy Teacher he posted a video produced by Red Square, video footage by Red Squirrel.
   
   You guys are grasping for anything.

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   SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago

   Obama and DNC stonewall on citizenship issue
   By Linda Bentley | October 15, 2008
   
   Protective order sought to preclude discovery
   PHILADELPHIA, Penn. – On Aug. 21, in an effort to prevent what might otherwise amount to the biggest fraud pulled off on the citizens of the United States, Attorney Philip Berg filed a complaint in U.S. District Court against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and the Democratic National Committee over Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of president of the United States.
   
   Berg, a registered Democrat and former chair of the Montgomery County, Penn. Democratic Party, filed the lawsuit when the only document, a Hawaiian certificate of birth, produced as proof of Obama’s citizenship was determined by a forensic graphic specialist to be an altered and forged document.
   
   ObamaTo ensure Obama’s eligibility, as per Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution, to serve as president of the United States, Berg served the defendants with a request for production of documents and requests for admissions to be produced on or before Sept. 24.
   
   Instead of responding to Berg’s request, the defendants filed a motion to dismiss.
   
   On Oct. 6, Berg said he received a phone call from Attorney John P. Lavelle, Jr., counsel for Obama and the DNC, requesting a stay of discovery pending the judge’s decision on the motion to dismiss.
   
   When Berg declined his request, Lavelle filed a motion for a protective order to preclude his clients from having to respond to the admissions or produce the requested documents.
   
   In his objection to Lavelle’s motion, Berg argued, “Plaintiff and citizens of the United States should never be left with questions regarding the eligibility or ineligibility of any presidential candidate. If these issues are not dealt with urgently we are at grave risk of a United States Constitutional Crisis.”
   
   Asserting Obama and the DNC would not be prejudiced if ordered to comply with the discovery, Berg stated, “Moreover, if Obama can prove he is currently a U.S. ‘natural born’ citizen and that he is in fact eligible to serve as president of the United States then Obama and the other defendants would benefit as they would be able to put the citizenship issues to rest.”
   
   Through extensive investigation, Berg said he learned Obama was born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya located in Coast Province.
   
   While it is undisputed Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya and his mother was a U.S. citizen, the laws on the books at the time of Obama’s birth required the U.S. citizen parent to have resided in the United States for ten years, five of which were after the age of 14, to convey citizenship.
   
   His mother was only 18 at the time Obama was born in Kenya and therefore was not old enough to register Obama’s birth in Hawaii as a “natural born” citizen.
   
   Obama’s mother later married Indonesian citizen Lolo Soetoro, who, according to Berg, either signed a government form legally “acknowledging” Obama as his son or “adopted” Obama, either of which would have changed Obama’s status to a citizen of Indonesia.
   
   Soetoro was listed as Obama’s father on school registration documents where Obama was registered under the name Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen.
   
   Berg says there was no other way Obama could have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia, since Indonesia was under tight rule and a Police State, did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools and those who registered were verified through the Indonesian government.
   
   In pointing out the urgency of Obama’s citizenship status being resolved prior to his being elected president, Berg said once Obama is sworn into the United States Office of the Presidency, neither he nor the general public will have the right to bring suit for redress as a result of all the immunities the president carries, adding, “thus the plaintiff and general public will be further harmed as they will be forced to live with the grave consequences.”
   
   The documents requested by Berg to be provided by Oct. 15 include a certified copy of Obama’s vault (original long version) birth certificate; certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates of Obama in the names referred to in the caption of the lawsuit (Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama and Barack Dunham); certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship; certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of majority; certified copies of Obama’s application and admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing Obama’s name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.
   
   Additionally, Berg requested the court to order Obama to respond to the following admissions: Admit you were born in Kenya; you are a Kenya “natural born” citizen; your foreign birth was registered in the state of Hawaii; your name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro and citizenship status was changed to “natural” citizen of Indonesia; you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A., a citizen of Indonesia; Lolo Soetoro signed a government “acknowledgement” form legally acknowledging you as his son; you are an Indonesian citizen; you are not a “natural born” United States citizen; you are not eligible to serve as the president of the United States; and you are unable to prove your citizenship status.
   
   Berg had a list of admissions for the DNC as well, beginning with, “Admit you have not verified Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as president of the United States,” and ending with, “Admit Barack Hussein Obama is not a citizen of the United States.”
   
   As Berg argues the importance of having a properly vetted and qualified Democratic candidate for which citizens may cast their votes, Obama and the DNC continue to stonewall rather than produce documents that would verify and confirm Obama’s eligibility to serve as president of the United States.
   
   With less than three weeks until the election and U.S. District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick’s decision still pending, concerned citizens are left to wonder if a foreign national, possibly an illegal alien, will be elected the next president of the United States.
   
   
   
   
   Copyright © 2008 Sonoran News

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme
      
      Berg is a nutball.
      
      I think we have a winner in the "Who's the biggest kook in 9-11 Denial?" contest.
      
          (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania - 01/04/07) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, who prior hereto has filed a RICO lawsuit against Bush and others for the events of 9/11 and plans to re-file shortly] announced today that he was issuing a call for world leaders to arrest and try Bush and Cheney for the global crimes of 9/11/01.
      
          Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in a letter to the nations throughout the world:
      
          "It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney."

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   Talk about beating a dead course.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Beating a dead horse for sure.
   
   
   John McCain Born in Panama, can he even be President?
   
   The Constitution clearly states only those born in the United States may be President
   by Robert Werden
   (Libertarian)
   Thursday, January 31, 2008
   
   This is not open to interpretation or overturned by the 14th Amendment as it is very clear in the Constitution that the founders were being very specific on who could be the President.
   
   The 14th Amendment was not written to change the rules of who could be the President, it was to determine citizenship. Citizenship does not allow just anyone to be the President. Only those born in the United States have that privilege.
   
   Although John McCain was born in Panama many would argue that he was born in a US territory and is considered a US citizen. Being a citizen is not the litmus test the founders directed when they wrote the requirements to become the President.
   
   A territory is not the United States. The United States is one of the 50 states. If Panama was a state things would be different. However Panama is a sovereign Country.
   
   If this were the case, then we would have to allow all children born on US territories to be naturalized citizens. For example, if an Iraqi woman has an American service mans baby in a hospital in Iraq that happens to be a US Military base, then the baby would be born in US territory. This is not what the founders would have contemplated as a US naturalized citizen.
   
   While this is probably an issue the courts would most likely rule that McCain is fully eligible to be the President, I my self would not vote for a person who is questionably walking a fine line on the founding fathers rule of Presidential eligibility.

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   livelongerposted 15 years ago

   McCain supporters are getting desperate, grasping at straws at this point.
   
   At this point, they'd probably be better served figuring out how they're not going to go into conniption fits on election day once the returns start coming in. Meditation? Valium?

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   Marisa Wrightposted 15 years ago

   I'm not sure I understand why Americans are so hysterical about where a person is born, in this day and age.  Surely it's high time that rule was changed.
   
   Where one is born is an accident, controlled by one's parents.  Where one chooses to settle and make a life as an adult is surely more important.  I don't see any reason why someone who has migrated to the States, become a citizen and shown himself an upright and responsible member of the community, should be barred from holding any public office.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That's too logical! But it works for me.

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   livelongerposted 15 years ago

   Marisa - it's in the US Constitution. You have to be 35 years old, living in the US for the past 14 years, and you must be natural-born. Was written that  way by our founding fathers. There was some talk about changing that a few years back re: Schwarzenegger, and it might be a discussion point again considering he's probably the only Republican that hasn't been thoroughly discredited at this point.
   
   At any rate, this should put this matter to rest (and possibly prompt SparklingJewel to move on to the next anti-Obama conspiracy theory):
   http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvht … wD941NCJG0

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      Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I knew it was in the Constitution but surely it can be changed to bring it up to date with the modern world.

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         Rochelle Frankposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Laws can be changed-- sometimes they should be-- but if any law can be changed AFTER it is breached, what's the point?
         
         We have certain expectations that the law is the LAW, untill and unless it is changed by due process.
         Just a friendly  response.

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    LondonGirlposted 15 years ago

    Why is Obama so frequently referred to as black? He appears to have one white and one black parent, so surely he's mixed-race rather than black?

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