Threatening Democratically Elected Officials with Violence

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   chasingcarsposted 14 years ago

   The 2008 election brought us relief from the repressive conservatism which threatened to ruin this country into the ground.  It showed a fair and definite choice of a political party and president elected democratically.  The president was sworn in by a conservative activist judge, twice, despite the fact Roberts did so with gritted teeth.  Too bad.  The people spoke.
        Spoiled and "entitled" conservatives have since gone on a nearly two-year temper tantrum /rage festival.  They have done everything they can to try to deligitimize the duly elected party, including trying to stop legislation to imporove health care coverage for the sick, stop financial reform to re-regulate banking and the economy, to stop even the most basic and mundane business of government.
        They have spewed nothing but hatred, lies, and fear mongering to regain control.  The Democrats and our president have conducted themselves professionally and have bent over backwards to try to heal the breech the Gingrich Contract with America began and the Bush/Cheney administration widened; the president has had to endure the most vile and evil attacks on him.  Even before he acts, his actions are condemned.
        Now we have the gun-toting fools threatening anyone they do not agree with by appearing armed at Democratic gatherings; our leaders have been spit upon; our leaders have had their own and their families' lives threatened; they have had terrorist attacks and committed by the conservative members of this country.  When do you think a pitiful temper tantrum ceases to be high melodrama and become high treason and sedition?  Don't the conservos know that we on the other side are also armed and politely angry at the abuse loaded on us and ours?  You want another Civil War?  We can manage that and kick your stupid asses again.  Screw your confederate flags and your right wing, goose-stepping militarism.  We don't scare as easily as you do.

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      Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ............... X 100,000,000

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      alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The very aggressive opposition to the current leadership in your country (I am British) looks more than a little scary out here, politeness and any pretense of fairness seems to have been dumped. From outside, I guess because of the conservative bias of the media, it appears as though there are only people against Obama; yet on these forums there are so few against, and most of them are just sockpuppets of even fewer real people.
      
      I guess this reflects the true position with most in favour of the new gang, or waiting to see what happens, with a few loud aggressive people making all the running on the other side.
      
      The general feeling I get from my friends, after the horrors of the Bush administration, are that the right wing intimidation you speak of is actually dangerous; it is a sad fact that a policy of fear and aggression can work - just look at Nazi Germany.

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "The very aggressive opposition to the current leadership in your country (I am British) looks more than a little scary out here"
         
         
         Were you scared of it during the previous administration?
         
         
         " I guess because of the conservative bias of the media"
         
         ????!!!! ... AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAhahahahahahaaahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHhahahahaaaaa!!!!!
         
         That was a good one!

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         JON EWALLposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         alternate poet
         
         WATCHING      BBS    I GATHER  TRY WATCHING A FAIR AND BALANCED NEWS MEDIA  LIKE
         FOX NEWS OR C-SPAN
         
         PS   COME OVER THE POND AND CHECK THE COUNTRY OUT

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            alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Wasn't it Fox news that was 'embedded' in the military in Iraq - that filmed a tank deliberately locate and fire at the Al Jazeera news film crew ?

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               Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You should have a link or something to follow that up so we can see if it ever happened and what the context was if it did, right?

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                  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Well no actually - it was a question which by definition kinda means I do not know.
                  
                  I vaguely recall watching it and as I remember it was linked with the film from the crew in an adjacent room as the smoke and dust started to settle.

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                     Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Ah, so you don't know. Ok.

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                        alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You could save quite a bit of typing and time by paying attention - that is why I asked the question in the first place.

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                           Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Just clarifying that you DON'T KNOW. Ok.

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                              alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              OK - maybe you could clarify your own information a bit more when you make unfounded comments to posts.  Or does this only apply to me ?

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                                 Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 In Sab Oh's beady little mind it only applies to you. You are wasting your time with him.

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               Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Just last week a video of an American Apache helicopter was leaked to Wikileaks showing civilians including two AP photographers being mowed down by machine gun or rocket fire. The pilots could be heard yucking it up every time their fire scored a hit on people on the ground.

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                  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting video in that it slowed the film as shots were being fired from the Apache but didn't slow the film when it showed people walking around with rocket launchers and machine guns. I guess we'd need to talk to some people who were there to really understand the context, huh?

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                     Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     It seemed pretty clear to me. The people who were being shot as they ran for cover didn't have any weapons. Now the military says it can't find the video.

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                        Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        "It seemed pretty clear to me."
                        
                        
                        It would, wouldn't it?

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                           Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Have you watched the video? I watched it a couple of times. Apparently the military felt it had something to cover up, but someone leaked it because he thought it was shameful misconduct.

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                              Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Like you, I've seen part of it...

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                                 Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 "Julian Assange, a WikiLeaks editor, acknowledged in an interview Tuesday that it's "likely" some of the people in the video were "carrying weapons." "

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                                    Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    In the time this happened in Iraq- anyone who did not want to wind up in a torture chamber of the opposition getting holes drilled in  his knees went around armed.  This idea that the US military should and did fire on eveyone carying weapons is ridiculous.

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               JON EWALLposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               WOW
               WAY OUT, DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE LOCAL NEWS HERE.
               
               A MISS OR A HIT  REFERRING TO BIASED REPORTING OF THE WAR.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is being fueled by the Tea Party's big tent of hatred--racial, anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-government, anti-tax. Come one come all. Bush legacy of high unemployment, growing income disparitiy, and national debt are fueling the discontent.

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That is an unfounded and unfair characterization, but at least you used the movement's correct name this time. Progress comes in increments I suppose...

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            Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ralph is a class act. I'm the one who calls them teabaggers.
            
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/2 … 09966.html

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         atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Do you know anything about economics?
         The housing crisis started this whole mess a very long time ago. It had nothing to do with the war.
         We have funds as a nation to fund our defense of this country, have a surplus for that in numbers you cannot even comprehend.
         
         The over spending was done by Obama day one! The spending continues and where is the money going? Its like the shell game is it under here? nope. Try again.
         I live in a state where the unemployment rate is higher than any other state at almost 15%! so please spare me the governments praises!
         I live in a county in that state where the unemployment rate is 15.2% and growing every single day!
         And btw, it's the same state where GM became "Government Motors" and the same one that is grossly populated with democrats who btw, are not singing the praises of the "chosen one" anymore and it has nothing to do with republicans or the LEFTIST media!
         But has everything to do with most here not being able to feed our kids!!!
         Ooops! I forgot the 10.00 raise in food stamps a month here! my bad.
         
         I have a friend of mine we help out when we can who is on welfare after being laid off from a job she worked at for over 13 years. She was surprised to find out that now she gets an extra 1 dollar a month in her cash assistance! (Thank you Mr. President for thinking about us here in Michigan)

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            Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yes I do know a fair amount about economics. I majored in economics and took graduate level courses as well. I'm sorry you're having to pay more for your food stamps. GM appears to be on its way toward recovery and repaying the government. What GM got was small potatoes compared to what Goldmine Sachs got on the pass through AIG. That deal was cut with Mr. Goldfein in the room with Paulson and Bernanke as I recall. If memory serves the TARP fund was established by Paulson while Bush was still in office. {Paulson should be in jail, in my opinion.)

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      habeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "The people spoke"? What about what the people said about the health care bill? What about all the hate and threats coming from the left? BOTH parties are to blame. And don't wish for another Civil War. The South has all the food and most of the guns!

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Some folks only hear part of what the people speak, part of the time.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What a bunch of nonsense and LIES! Check out the story from the Washington Post on what really happened on the Capital steps when the government ignored the constitution and trampled on the rights of all American by passing an illegal and unconstitutional health care bill. Here's a quote from the article:
      
      
      
      Please note, NO ONE has come forward to claim the reward! Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm

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         Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Andrew Breitbart is a lying racist a**hole.

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   JON EWALLposted 14 years ago

   chasingcars
   
   CAN YOU EXPAND ON YOUR HUB AND GIVE SOME FACTUAL INFORMATION.
   
   They have spewed nothing but hatred, lies, and fear mongering to regain PLEASE NAME THE THEYS
   
   the president has had to endure the most vile and evil attacks on him. Even before he acts, his actions are condemned.
   WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
   
   Now we have the gun-toting fools threatening ANYONE they do not agree with by appearing armed at Democratic gatherings; our leaders have been SPIT UPON ; our leaders have had their own and their families' lives threatened; they have had terrorist ATTACKS and committed by the conservative members of this country.
   ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE UNION THUGS AND THE ACORN AGITATORS?
   
   CAN YOU NAME THEM ??
   Your hub is loaded with racial and radical accusations of which I doubt you can backup.
   President Obama and the democrats will be judged by the voters in the coming elections. So, calm down and follow the action of our elected public servants in Washington. Remember  Barak Obama promised that change is coming to Washington. The people are still waiting for a job that he promised if elected. When the bad guys were in charge the unemployment rate was 4.6% compared to the good guys now in charge at 9.7%.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Translation: The Party of No is blaming Obama for not fulfilling his campaign promises?

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         JON EWALLposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Ralph Deeds
         
         THERE IS A OLD SAYING '' what goes around comes around''
         
         Voting on Bush's nominations  forcing a 60 vote requirement  needless to say how many never got to  be heard because Leahy refused to proceed on their nominations.
         Why is it when the other party protest supported by a 60% poll is condemned as the party of  NO.
         Don't forget the Dem's who voted with the party of NO.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            We call them the "Blue Rats!"

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      Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So far none of you so-called "conservatives" has indicated a shred of disapproval for any of the haters of various stripes among the Tea Partiers. I hope we can assume that you disapprove of picket signs with racist epithets, signs calling President Obama a Nazi, a Commie, etc., signs saying "God Hates Fags," and so forth. The pictures and TV footage of these idiots isn't helping your cause, in case you haven't noticed. However, all I've heard from you guys is denials and accusations of racism against the Democrats.

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There are thugs, idiots, and hate-mongers on both sides of the political divide and they are equally reprehensible. If you are not seeing adequate disapproval it might be because the liberals are spending so much time trying to deny the filth on their own side. If the liberals would stop being such hypocrites we could all agree that scum are scum and have no place in our political discourse.

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   I didn't like Bush's spending habits, and now I don't like Obama's, either!

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   Ghost32posted 14 years ago

   Just a quick note regarding the comment on this thread that only a few people posting appear to be against Obama:  As one of those "few people", I will say this:
   
   It's not that there are only a few of us on the conservative side.  It is, however, that for the most part we don't see these forums as the most efficient use of our time and energy.  I do drop by occasionally, as now, but for the most part, no.  Instead, having only so many available hours per week, I spend the majority of my anti-Obama (and pro-Sarah Palin) time in efforts such as making person to person (networking) contacts at political rallies, campaigning for politicians who can defeat our local Representative in November, and writing hubs that have at least a chance of being read by people actually searching for information and a fresh viewpoint.
   
   In other words, like most conservatives, I'm actually working.

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      alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So you are behaving in a good democratic manner etc - and not taking part in the spitting, gun toting etc that this thread is about.  And that I think is the point, you treat the system with respect and so everyone can respect you - I note from loking through the threads that you are well liked and respected so - Hi, nice to meet you, even if you have different views from me.
      
      The issue that I commented is about one person with multiple faces posting and discussing with itself to promote the notion that there are more cons here than there are.
      
      And I am not a conservative but I am also actually working

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Working on a serious case of paranoia

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   lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

   Yes. it's a definate mind-thing they do.
   It's exactly like what a kid did to my grandson...exactly.
   He punched my kid, then when the teacher comes over, HE throws himself on the ground crying he was punched!
   Classic.
   
   Waaaaa---all this spending.
   Uhhh,that was Bush. Unfunded spending btw. Not accounted for. 1.2 Trillion for millionaires...yeah, THAT makes sense!!
   Obama is just fixing the BIG mess he was left with, now the Repubs come in screaming--Look what he did! Classic. And the same thing...manipulation. Kind of twisted too...like there is something wrong with their psyche, imo.
   
   It's very odd behavior. What is all this? We just elected a president you don't like....uh, that happens to half of the people all of the time! What is your problem?

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   I read about the $100,000 reward. I can't believe no one has claimed it!

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   lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

   Maybe they just don't want to deal with apologists...who knows, but it's clear what happened.
   
   "A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) had been spat on by a protestor.
   
   Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s."
   
   "It was absolutely shocking to me," Clyburn said,"I heard some things today I have not heard since that day. I heard people saying things that I have not heard since March 15, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus."
   
   UPDATE 6:55 PM ET: Rep. Emanuel Cleaver's office released the following statement:
   
   This afternoon, the Congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The Congressman would like to thank the US Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the others Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care. After all the Members were safe, a full report was taken and the matter was handled by the US Capitol Police. The man who spat on the Congressman was arrested, but the Congressman has chosen not to press charges. He has left the matter with the Capitol Police.
   
   
   This right wing guy could always check and see if there is a police report, eh?  DUH!
   Here's why I say WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE:
   
   "A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this, much of this is not about health care a all. And I think a lot of those people today demonstrated that this is not about health care... it is about trying to extend a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."

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   lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

   Here is the video, google it.
   
   Pensito Review » Video Shows Tea Bagger Spitting on Rep. Cleaver

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      Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Reporting that the protester spit on the congressman is just erroneous reporting. You are invoking an image that isn't representative of what actually took place. The protester was shouting and in doing so was perhaps spraying some of his "ses". 
      
      You also don't bother to address the fact that these congressman unnecessarily but purposely walked through the demonstrators perhaps hoping to incite an incident.
      
      And you want us to believe no one would claim a 100,000 dollars because they don't want to deal with "apologists"???

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   lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

   RIGHT NOW:Working for You: Today's Jobs
   Cleaver Steadfastly Refuses to Discuss Spitting Incident
   Eric Burke, edited by Jason Vaughn
   March 30, 2010
   
   KANSAS CITY, MO - U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver voted in favor of the controversial health care reform bill, but talk isn't raging about how voted, but whether or not he was purposely spit on as he and other congressmen made their way to the U.S. Capitol building to cast their vote.
   
   In video of the incident, a man is seen with his hands around his mouth and yelling at the Kansas City, Missouri, Democrat as he walked by. The footage shows Rep. Cleaver reacting to the man, and is seen a few seconds later wiping his face.
   
   The video is not clear as to whether or not the man spit in Cleaver's face intentionally, or if it was a matter of "say it, don't spray it." Rep. Cleaver never commented on the incident, but it didn't take long before many people claimed that he was spit upon.
   
   In an interview on Tuesday with FOX 4 News, Rep. Cleaver would not directly answer the question of whether or not he was intentionally spit upon.
   
   "I haven't talked about this incident on TV or anywhere, and I've been approached to talk about it on every national TV show," said Rep. Cleaver in an interview with FOX 4 News. "I never, I never reported anything, never a single thing in Washington, not one thing. People assume I went somewhere, never done press conference, never done an interview on it and I'm not going to do it."
   
   Rep. Cleaver's refusal to discuss the incident has not stopped the speculation, including claims that the incident never happened, or that the story was manufactured to discredit conservatives who demonstrated against health care reform.
   
   Rep. Cleaver says that he wants to put the incident behind him.
   
   "All I'm saying is we all have to defuse it, and I think it is not in my best interest or in the best interest of this nation to stoke it," said Rep. Cleaver. "I've avoided doing and I will continue to do it."
   
   Rep. Cleaver is standing his ground on the incident. He says that if the spitting incident hadn't been caught on tape, no one would have ever known because he wouldn't have made it an issue.
   
   "What ever they say is fine with me, I'm not going to get into the issue," said Rep. Cleaver. "I didn't even plan to have it known by anybody."

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    Madame Xposted 14 years ago

    There is a group that openly says they are going to destroy the tea parties by showing up and using racial slurs, homophobic rhetoric, and the threatening of violence to discredit the movement and it's participants. They have a website  - crashtheteaparty.org
    
    It's "founder" is Ben Franklin from Philadelphia.
    
    No joke - check it out for yourself!

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       Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What do you want to bet that the mainstream media will just be ALL OVER this?
       
       
       ...or not

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       Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No need for anyone outside the teabagger movemen to discredit a movement that is doing such a good job of discrediting itself.
       
       Mainstream Media be all over WHAT?? A website?
       
       Just for fun I went out to the site. As usual (everone sittting?) Madam X lied about their methods "non-violent" and goals. The web site is highly critical of  -  'that loose afiliation of racists, homophobes and morons".
       
       Well that doesn't describe anyone  in this group..... right?

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          Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The government shill speaks again!
          
          Check it out for yourselves. They state outright exactly what I said they did.

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             Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It doesn't describe ALMOST anyone in this group.

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    William R. Wilsonposted 14 years ago

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/3 … 18216.html

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       Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Too funny - thanx.

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    Madame Xposted 14 years ago

    No. Just you.

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    chasingcarsposted 14 years ago

    alternate poet:  Thanks for your interest.  Yes, it is even worse here than you have probably heard.  Most of the media is now owned by the conservatives (and thus purged of anything that makes the movement look bad) and is best represented by Fox (tabloid television).  It has spewed hate, bile, ridiculous conspiracy theories, hate mongering, and espoused violence against their "enemies," including abortion clinic doctors:  they have now assassinated two of them.  They have begun to carry guns strapped to their hips everywhere they go, including to gatherings where children are present and to political affairs.
         They plan a march of gun toters to Washington, I guess to further try to intimidate the president.  They are spending tax dollars to try to repeal the health care reform, which is an innocuous bill to get more people covered and to protect sick people from insurance scams.  They have attempted to sabotage insurance reform, have stalled out attempts to regulate the banks and big corporations, have fought any attempts to stimulate the economy and to create jobs--non of which would be in their best interest in regaining power, God forbid. Ignore Sab Oh; he, she, or it is just a provacateur.  It is getting quite serious here.  Pray for us that we don't get another Bush/Cheney type-regime.

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       AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       I am not sure I agree with a lot of what you have written here. First of all, even if much of the media might (or might not) be owned by conservatives (doesn't Jane Fonda's husband own CNN-Time-Warner...), nevertheless the US media is NOT predominantly conservative: South Park, The Family Guy, Will and Grace, these are not shows with conservative messages -- yet they are on (and produced by) US media outlets.
       
       Secondly, you are feeding into the "us versus them" thing. I cannot believe that all conservatives condone the assassination of abortion doctors, even if they condemn abortion, for example.
       
       I agree that the US news outlets are pitifully weak at going after vested interests, and that there are some glaring examples of them giving Bush-Cheney a free pass (did someone say Iraq War?). Fox News, obviously, is not what I am talking about. There is no muddying the waters when it comes to them. As to the others, they are mixed in their criticism, but the outstanding feature is that they don't criticize ANYONE enough... not even close.

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       Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "Most of the media is now owned by the conservatives "
       
       That is a complete and total load of BS. 99% of the media here is extremely left-wing.

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          Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Do you really think he believes that or do you think he may actually be spreading BS on purpose?

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             Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             A government shill, perhaps?

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                Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Me thinks this place is full of them.

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          AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          For what it's worth I disagree with you both

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    lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

    These are the 6 media companies that exist today.  There used to be 88. These 6 all get their news from Reuters and the Associated Press. Reuters owns the AP and Rothschilds own Reuters.
    
    The following information is in circulation on the net.  The originating source is not known, nor have all the statements below been fully verified.  However, the general overview provided appears to be accurate.
    
    GENERAL ELECTRIC  (donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)
    
    Television Holdings
    
    * NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
    * NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
    * CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
    
    The "MS" in MSNBC means microsoft.  The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
    
    Other Holdings
    
    * GE Consumer Electronics.
    * GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power plants.
    * GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
    * GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
    
    =====================================
    
    WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
    
    Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
    whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than: Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
    
    Television Holdings
    
    * CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
    * CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
    * Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
    * Group W Satellite Communications.
    
    Other Holdings
    
    * Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
    * Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear power plants in the US.
    * Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
    
    ==================================
    
    VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC
    
    Television Holdings
    
    * Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
    * 20 major market US stations.
    
    Media Holdings
    
    * Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
    * Simon & Schuster Publishing.
    
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    DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
    
    Television Holdings
    
    * ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
    * ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
    * ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
    * Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
    
    Media Holdings
    
    * Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
    * Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
    * 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
    * Hyperion book publishers.
    * Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
    
    Other Holdings
    
    * Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
    * All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
    
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    TIME-WARNER TBS  AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
    
    America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner the largest merger in corporate history.
    
    Television Holdings
    
    * CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
    * Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
    
    Media Holdings
    
    * HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
    * Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world's largest music company.
    * 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
    
    Other Holdings
    
    * Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
    
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    NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (
    
    Television Holdings
    
    * Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
    * Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
    * The Golf Channel (33%).
    
    Media Holdings
    
    * Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
    * 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
    * 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
    * HarperCollins books.
    
    Other Holdings
    
    * Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
    * Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
    * Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
    *(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*

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    Madame Xposted 14 years ago

    An excellent post and very important info to keep in mind when listening to any media source.

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    chasingcarsposted 14 years ago

    Or, you could just try harder to learn the news.  I read four journals and listen to several television chanels, including PBS, your best bet.  I don't recomment Fox; as Glen Beck says,
    I am not a reporter; I'm a commentator--I commentate."

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       Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That is very true, but the hard news on FOX comes without the liberal/conservative slant!

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          chasingcarsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You seem to miss the point; when Beck said he was not a reporter, he was answering the question of why he and his fellows didn't fact check.  His answer was that he wasn't a journalist; he was a commentator.  In case you haven't bothered to look past your navel, the other media does get fact checked, often and vigorously, often by us.  We who want to gather news aren't content with a steady stream of innuendo, conspiracy theory, and pure bull s***t .   The point of viewing other sources, like MSNBC, PBS, BBC America, ABC, CBS, etc.,  for instance, is that they consult everyone, treat them with respect, (unlike the arrogant ass who recently "interviewed" Obama and talked over him the whole time), and admit when they have been fact checked and wrong.  That's called journalism; these real reporters admit their biases but are dedicated to ferreting out the truth.  They have people like Bill Enval (sp?) who is  right now on the ground in Afganistan and was there in Iran during its recent uprising, reporting what is really going on.  Unlike Fox tabloid, which seems to view its role in society as nipping at all but the right wing like a bunch of yapping hyenas , real reporters  call Obama and his administration on their missteps.
          Never heard a discouraging word for Bush et al while he was lying, cheating, and turning this country over to big oil, Halliburtan, the banks, et al.  The so-called liberal media calls everyone out, which is their job.  They are supposed to be our watch dogs against the likes of the Bush administration.   If you ever viewed anything but Fox, you would know this.  Real journalism takes dedication and courage, and we need it in our democracy.  We don't need anymore propaganda.  Democracy is not a football game; it is life and death.

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             Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Do you mean fact checked like CBS and Dan Rather fact checked?
             
             Fact check this
             
             In a surprise move, the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) has announced a lawsuit against the Democratic Party and its leadership for the alleged theft of intellectual property. The plaintiffs claim that the entire so-called "new" Democratic agenda is, in fact, the product of a decades-long, painstaking campaign by CPUSA theorists, agitators, and underground subversive cells - which makes it the intellectual property of the Communist Party USA, protected by American copyright laws.
             
             "They stole our entire platform, rebranded it 'progressive', and claimed it as their own," declared a CPUSA spokesperson at a press conference in San Francisco. "And we communists say, not so fast! Not in this country anyway, where we still have property rights and the rule of law, thank God! Actually, let me rephrase that..."

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                William R. Wilsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I guess you got that from those unbiased reporters at Fox News?

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                   Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Got it from CNN! Fact check it, then get back to the grass!

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             JWestCattleposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             ChasingCars wrote:
             
             Never heard a discouraging word for Bush?.......doesn't sound like you watched the news for a quite extended period of time.  The liberal media is truly 'so-called' media, 'so-called' journalism.  Their brand of journalism takes no courage, and the only dedication is to mindless 'hah hah I think I gotcha it, check out how I can spin this'. The liberal media is nothing but a propaganda machine, and unfortunately the tone of the liberal media is that of a both a game show and a comedy act.  The nightly MNBC and some of the daily is the perfect example ---  it is easily, so easily, mistaken for a really good Saturday Night Lives spoof on REAL unbiased news.
             
             Continue to live in a dreamy world....and wake up in one like that old classic time machine travel movie, where the grotesque goobers in the caves fed on the humans they kept fed and clothed and mindless and happy out in the sun until they were fattened up and needed.

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          William R. Wilsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL.

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    William R. Wilsonposted 14 years ago

     
    
    Maybe you should factcheck it. 
    
    Get back to me.

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       Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I know the facts, you don't seem to though, that's why I left it to you.
       
       How much do you charge for mowing peoples grass?

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    chasingcarsposted 14 years ago

    You know jack squat if you watch Fox.  It shows in your babble and attitude.  Nice talking to your lizard brain, but I have a life.

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       Padrinoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It doesn't seem that you have a life because I wasn't talking to you.
       
       Lizard brain? Fine retort!

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    chasingcarsposted 14 years ago

    Doesn't it just seem that no matter how intelligent the conversations start out, a right wing nut invariably turns it into a "yo' mamma" moment?  I guess that's the natural evolution from ranting right wing talking points to a sputtering finish because no one is there to help them out with an intelligent response?  Don't know what I mean by lizard brain, do you?  That's what I mean.  Forum pollution.  Go back to see what Dick Armey, Glen Beck, Rush, et al, et nauseum, want you to say for the day and then shut up.

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