The “Evolution”: Mark Knowles and others

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/40393
   
   Hi friends
   
   “Adam” was evolved in millions of years; he was the first among the humans with whom the Creator- God Allah YHWH talked with directly.  “Adam”; being born spiritually is the Creation of Adam or creation of the era of human beings, ethically, morally and spiritually.
   
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   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try at justifying your interpretation of whatever book you've been reading. You're too funny!

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sweeping statements and no proof. duh..

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         Dan Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Isn't the problem that neither creation or evolution have proof? 
         
         Evolution explains diversity, but gives no explanation of how basic amino acids formed living organisms.  Current theories include lightning strikes or an extraterrestrial event.  Is belief of an extraterrestrial event so much better than belief in God?
         
         I don't try to reconcile the two.  Evolution, while an outstanding theory, does have some holes.  Eventually these holes may be filled in, but until then it is incomplete.
         
         Creationism will never be more than story.  I'm not saying discount it or the beliefs of millions people.  I'm just saying you'll never get a shred of proof for it.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            True, that is another theory altogether; abiogenesis.   
            
            
            
            They are almost equally implausible, except for the fact that intelligent aliens existing is plausible.
            
            
            
            What holes, exactly?

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               The ones that scientist haven't come to terms with that evolution is designed by conscious reactions down to the cellular level.

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Huh?

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                     marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     The hole of evolution.

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                        Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Huh, huh?

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                           marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes! Evolution is solved more.

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                              Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Huh, huh, huh???

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                                 marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I wrote a hub, read it.

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                  Dan Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, intelligent design.  I was wondering when that would come up.  It's really creationism.  If you argue God spontaneously created life or orchestrated it and allowed things to happen (sort of a deterministic view), you are still arguing God.

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                     marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Sounds like a faithful interpretation to me.

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               Dan Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               ok, if you want to say abiogensis is separate from evolution, then is your argument that evolution itself is an entirely complete theory?
               
               Even if we go by your guidelines, are creation and evolution at odds?  Even the most staunch Christian acknowledges that animals evolve, even during recent history.  For example moths have darkened over several generations due to tree bark darkening from industrial pollution.  Darker moths are hidden better on dark tree bark and thus less likely to eaten by a predator. 
               
               Or is it really abiogensis and creation that is being debated here?  Is a rose by any other name still a rose?
               
               Whatever you want to call the theory, neither creation or evolution/ abiogensis give a satisfactory explanation of the origin of life.

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Not complete, per se, there is still much to learn.
                  
                  
                  
                  They have been forced to change their ideals in the face of hard facts. You'll find many Christians here and elsewhere who refuse to accept those facts, despite some halfhearted acknowledgment.
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  Perhaps, that is part of the problem here, in that you're not satisfied with those answers and simply favor creationism based on your belief system. In other words, the so called acknowledgment you referred earlier is just lip service.

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                     Dan Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hmm, I would say I favor evolution.  Merely pointing out that neither argument is complete does not equate to choosing creation over evolution.
                     
                     Evolution does have evidence to support it claims while creationism has no evidence.  But, I'm still not willing to dismiss another persons or groups beliefs in God because I personally favor evolution.
                     
                     Where I work the primary religions of employees is Islam and Hindu.  I admire the willpower exercised by muslims during the month of Ramadan.  It was in August last year and from sun up to sun down no food OR WATER passes their lips.  These guys play league tennis in August in the south and do not drink water.  Health concerns aside, that's strength and character.  Most people are so focused on self gratification, atheist or christian, that the idea of fasting like that is inconceivable.
                     
                     I gotta say, I'll listen to someone who has that kind of strength.

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                        Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        That's gotta be hard on the body. I would suspect the fasting is connected to the delirium they experience from starving themselves, makes it easier to indoctrinate. Isn't that how cults work?

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                           Dan Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I think cults do use fasting and protein deprivation.  And most religions border on cult like behavior.
                           
                           However, it the case of Ramadan, Muslims eat breakfast before sunrise and they eat another meal after dark.  So, essentially the fasting is just skipping lunch.  You won't get protein deprivation from just skipping lunch. 
                           
                           The hard part is not drinking water in Atlanta in August.  I don't think the lack of water aids brain washing.
                           
                           Again, probably ridiculously bad for your health.  But I do admire the will power and discipline.

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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi friend Dan Smith
                        
                        Thanks for appreciating Islam/Quran/Muhammad and their peaceful and natural teachings.
                        
                        Regards

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So what happened with his DNA?
      
      It went down the drain, it seems ! LOL
      
      You're one hell of example !
      
      

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   myownworldposted 14 years ago

   You're definitely pushing it now.....

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   SirDentposted 14 years ago

   

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   princess gposted 14 years ago

   I don't get it...

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend princess g
      
      What is that you don't understand? Please
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago

   Usmanali - your ignorance is astounding. It must be the plutonium......

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      Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL!  I agree!

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He has thus far refrained from blaming everything on Freemasons.
      
      Has he been reborn?

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   There is no empirical evidence for any "extraterrestrial event" behind evolution. I think you're referring to RAELians belief for evolution and formation of universe. So i disagree with it. As for God, it's one-new-story per square meter per theist,so i don't subscribe to such thoughts without proof.

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   Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

   I think the evidence for God is all around us, everywhere you look, but I don't think mankind's idea or understanding of God, what and who he/she/it is, is close to correct.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't see it. Please direct me where you see all of this evidence for god existence, I only see nature.

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         AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What created nature? If other life forms created it, then who created them? If Amino Acids have been found to create live organisms, who or what created those? What creates oxygen and when did it form? What created the air? I am not being sarcastic but I do have unanswered questions and I am looking for more knowledge.

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            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hey AEvans,
            
            Please check out my hub?
            
            It's related directly to your unanswered questions.
            
            http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Unanswered- … -Now-Found

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Nobody created anything, where would you get such an idea? The universe and everything in it all came about on it's own with no help from anyone.
            
            If you really wanted to know how it all came about on it's own, there are mountains of evidence to show you. Easy peasy.

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            Dan Smithposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            From a deterministic point of view, amino acids arose because of the 4 basic forces that came into existence during the big bang.  These four forces allowed the possibility of amino acids.  The 4 forces are gravity, electro-magnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear.  Although I believe electro-magnetic and weak nuclear have been combined into a single force, and Stephen Hawking is seeking unify all 3/4 into a single force.
            
            Hydrogen atoms also came into existence during the big bang.  Due to gravity, clouds of hydrogen gas formed.  The gravity of the cloud increased, pulled in more hydrogen and kept going in this cycle until there was enough pressure to ignite the first stars.
            
            The stars fused hydrogen into helium, and helium into other atoms and so on until iron is created.  Thus, all elements came from the fusion occurring in stars.
            
            Eventually, these atoms combined into molecules.  Some of these molecules were amino acids.  This is how you wind up with amino acids.
            
            How amino acids became living organisms is a step that no one has an answer to yet.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      spot on.

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   Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

   I call this image "Guess Who is Looking for Forum Topics?"
   
   

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      Obscure Divineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is a very prominent depiction that represents many people I have met, thus far......  LOL! 

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      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It's always the subtlety about you that's so endearing, Greek.
      

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   AboveDaCloudzposted 14 years ago

   Another good question is, What is the meaning of life?

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What is the meaning of life?
      
      Are you seriously asking that question?

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Cags!  I noticed that you only need 10 more hubbers to reach 500!!!
         
         Hooray.  That is really awesome.

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            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hey IE, how are you today? Yeah, I noticed that too, but if you look at my profile page, you'll see that I actually only have 488. Thank you.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    Paar you're not helping. You're just giving the atheists, skeptics and liberals more ammo! They make up plenty nonsense without your help!

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       skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Says who ? Mormon ?

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    IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago

    So........., I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim is Debbie Dearest. 
    
    And the list grows.
    
    Liar, Plagarist and now socket puppet!

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    goldenpathposted 14 years ago

    Confusing....  By the title of the thread are you putting down Mark Knowles?  If so, it is wrong and should not be allowed on HubPages.  Mark and I have butted heads many a times, but it's no reason to put each other on public display as a topic of threads. 
    
    Son, please, you are defacing your own signature as "peaceful."  I'm trying to help you.  Stop, and be sensitive to others.  As one who professes to know the inner workings of the Almighty you should know the vital need of exercising tolerance and understanding.
    
    Take the higher ground and live up to those standards.
    
    Smile

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       Home Girlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don'tget it. What we are supposed to do in this thread: throw at each other scientific terminology or call each other names? Boring...
       By the way, the meaning of life is life per se - nothing else.
       And if you are not stupid - don't squander it, live it.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Peaceful to who?
    
    Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”
    
    Your sick little book is about fear, hate and loathing!

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       Obscure Divineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ...don't forget those sexy, fresh, rewarding virgins!  Praise be Allah!  Woot-woot!   

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend earnestshub
       
       Please quote the verse again with the context which is at least five verses preceding and five verses folloing and then establish your viewpoint. You will understand the true meaning.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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