google searches and hubs

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   barrancaposted 16 years ago

   I noticed that one of my hubs used to be high on a google search list and it was getting quite a few hits on it.  It was listed in the same way as the title of my hub.  Today I searched on the same term and, to my surprise, it was no longer there.  I had to search down through the pages of hits to the third page and found it listed as a "hot hub site: architecture".  This compels a viewer to go through all the other architecture hubs to find mine.  Any comment? 
   
   I am referring to the hub on Phillip Johnson: St. Basil's Chapel in Houston.
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/Phillip_Johnson … l__Houston

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   Paul Edmondsonposted 16 years ago

   Google fluctuations are normal.  The best way to keep a page in the google index is to acquire high quality editorial backlinks from pages with similar content.

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   barrancaposted 16 years ago

   Paul,
   I don't think the fluctuations are a result of normal issues in the sense that you are suggesting.  It is pretty clear to me that the change is the result of how the title of the google listing was changed.  I would be interested if it is/was a result of something that hubpages did.  If so, I think it was short-sighted.  To do something that lowers a google ranking on a particular hub in order to advertise hubpages in general is unwise precisely because it is self-defeating.  If a hub is on the first page of a google listing, it is driving traffic to hubpages in general as well as in particular, but if it drops down to the fourth page or so because of something hubpages did, then everyone loses.  Hardly anyone goes to the fourth page of a google search.
   
   Regards,  Barranca.

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   jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

   i have hubs on the front page of many google searches and they do fluctuate, it is nothing to do with what hubpages has done or hasn't done, i can be on page one of search today page 8 tomorrow and back to page 1 the next day,google search results do fluctuate from day to day the only guaranteed way to stay on the front page is to pay google an advertising fee.....jimmy

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   SexyDipposted 16 years ago

   New pages gets a bonus in rankings from Google. Most of my hubs have a minimum of 30-40 incoming links. After 2-3 days Google sends good traffic. After a week or 10 days my hubs gets less and less google traffic until I update the hub (add 10% or more content). After a few days the traffic is back.
   
   All my regularly updated hubpages have a hubscore 90+ and good Google traffic.
   
   SPECIAL HINT: Don't try to understand the Google logic or the HubScore algorithm, just write for surfers, get incoming links and check your keyword density.
   
   HTH

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   barrancaposted 16 years ago

   I fully accept that google hits will fluctuate and that rankings on google will fluctuate.  But why does a title change and a direct avenue to my particular hub disappear.  And in its place (albeit with a much lower google rank) appears a page that directs interested people to all of the hubpages that have architectural content?  By the way, some of my pages still appear directly on a google search.
   
   I admit that I have been a bit neurotic about algorithms etc.  But that is the name of the game in a sense.  And I have just been trying to understand it all.
   
   BTW thanks for the responses

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      pauldeedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      The reason that a direct link to your Hub is not showing up in the results is that it has been placed in Google's supplemental index, as you can see here:
      
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … bpages.com
      
      The architecture tag page that is appearing in the results is not in the supplemental index.   Google generally shows results from the supplemental index if it can't find enough matches in the normal index (and lists them after everything in the normal index).
      
      We at HubPages don't have any direct control over what google decides to put in the supplemental index and we would definitely like all pages, and especially hubs, to stay in the main index.
      
      There is a pretty good explanation of the supplemental index here:
      
      http://tropicalseo.com/2007/how-to-esca … tal-index/

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   barrancaposted 16 years ago

   Paul,  Thanks for the complete reply.  This helps a lot.  (and dispels a bit of my paranoia).  This slipping into the "supplemental" level is definitely to be avoided if possible.  The reply you posted should be common knowledge for all "hubbers".  I thought my page was pretty good and did have some very good images that weren't available on the majority of sites on the first page or two of google and I think the traffic to it justified its presence on the first page.  But perhaps I didn't have enough text, or have "backlinked" (something I haven't yet learned to do.)
   
   Any way, thanks for the full explanation.
   
   Regards,  Barranca.

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   barrancaposted 16 years ago

   I noticed that one reason a page gets dumped into supplemental is that it has too much advertising associated with it.  That is ironic because the ads are from Google.

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   Paul Edmondsonposted 16 years ago

   Pages going supplemental in google is usually caused by a lack of pagerank, which is primarily increased by high quality editorial backlinks.
   
   Backlinks are hyperlinks from site A to site B.  If site B has enough incoming links, it usually stays in the main index.

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    hedgeekposted 16 years ago

    Well for my personal experience, I have had a number of pages that fluctuated but stayed in the main index until very recently.  Now all of my pages have gone into the supplemental index and some of those pages have page rank.  One of the hubs has pagerank of 3.  So I find this all a bit baffling.  I worked to get a few high quality inbound links from good sites as you have suggested but it has been difficult achieve this on a consistent basis.
    
    I suppose I was hoping for some insight or perhaps one of those “aha” moments where perhaps the hubpages team could say “we changed this on the site and suddenly that happened” but perhaps this is not the case.
    
    I agree that the HubPages team does not have control of what is indexed by Google, but one of the strong points of the site for me was the fact that for some reason, probably the site design and layout, hubs were able to get indexed quickly and we received expanded readership beyond just the community.  I suppose I can be content with this smaller readership and I assume lower overall hubscore because I don’t really have the energy or knowledge required to get my hubs out of limbo

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    gooadamposted 16 years ago

    Both Pauls were exactly right and were trying to help you.  Mr Edmondson even gave you the solution twice.  Maybe subliminally you may understand.
    
    So, maybe your structure (backlinks) could be improved by adding the keyword (backlinks) into the H3, the H2, as well as the (backlinks) title and url.  Also beware over repeating (backlinks) the keyword in the body of the (backlinks) text.  If your form (backlinks) improves then your readability by (backlinks) the search engines.  Oh, and you might want to (backlinks) improve your backlinks!  Good Luck!

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    kbhuffakerposted 15 years ago

    I've wondered about the "hot hub site: architecture" link in Google myself.  I also have hubs that come and go on Google's first page.  One day they will be on the top of the first page and the next they will be on page 3 of 4 but in the next few days they will show back up on the front page again.  I've also had my hubpage listed on the fist page as well as my "hot hub site: architecture" link.  But it's good to learn how this is all happening.

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