Atheism Debate
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As requested from another forum post.
I would like to open the thread to all of those who do not believe in God or a creator. I would like to have a logical debate of ideas. I will not relay bible versus as I am not religious. If you do not believe in a creator, what is your reason for thinking we are just coincidence or chance?
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Hmmm, are there really only two options?
Either there is a creator, or we are just co-incidence?
I am not entirely sure that either of these options match my beliefs.
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Inspirepub wrote:
Hmmm, are there really only two options?
Either there is a creator, or we are just co-incidence?
I am not entirely sure that either of these options match my beliefs.
JennyCould you go more in depth please? What would be an alternative belief?
Believers cannot participate, right?
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quicksand wrote:
Believers cannot participate, right?
Sure you can, what do you have?
marinealways24 wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Believers cannot participate, right?
Sure you can, what do you have?
I believe in GOD, that's all. The fact is I cannot prove his existence.
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quicksand wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Believers cannot participate, right?
Sure you can, what do you have?
I believe in GOD, that's all. The fact is I cannot prove his existence.
I agree partly because I believe in a God or Gods or Creators.
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marinealways24 wrote:
Inspirepub wrote:
Hmmm, are there really only two options?
Either there is a creator, or we are just co-incidence?
I am not entirely sure that either of these options match my beliefs.
JennyCould you go more in depth please? What would be an alternative belief?
I concur with Jenny.
To my knowledge as well, you prolly wont find an atheist willing to divulge the concept of reality for a few different reasons mostly being that is is undefinable.
I believe that the theistic understanding is a shared concept which all must conform to one spiritual likeness while presuming that an atheist has no understanding whatsoever about life for choosing not to define what is most personal and can only be attributed to "something" that is souly understood yet cannot really be summed up because the "understanding" of the 'god' concept has been mangled beyond recognition that the only thing a person could do who knows this is to leave it unsaid.
I do take into account that some monotheistic believers do grasp it very well and fully understand what is not being said but by nature of mans oppression are to fearful to come to the dark side lol for fear of something that I assume many of them already understand but will not admit.
So atheism at it's core is not really about 'god' it's about the definition of the concept and most importantly it is about the theistic approach that is "actually" displacing people from what cannot but is the "absolute truth".
Make sense?
But this is my take that in all likely hood other atheist would disagree with assertion yet for an understood reason.
Try to make sense of it.
@ marinealways
The pattern followed in all these religion forums is that the second person who walks in always comes along armed with a quotation or two and some reference stuff. Then the battle of quotations begins ... verses from scriptures, phrases from Wikipedia ...
Atheists cling on to Darwyns ba... (oops sorry! I did not mean to rude) and they swing to and fro screaming "viva evolution."
"Science cannot prove that GOD exists" they say, "therefore he does not exist!"
... er ... lets have some fun ... ?- 98
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quicksand wrote:
@ marinealways
The pattern followed in all these religion forums is that the second person who walks in always comes along armed with a quotation or two and some reference stuff. Then the battle of quotations begins ... verses from scriptures, phrases from Wikipedia ...
Atheists cling on to Darwyns ba... (oops sorry! I did not mean to rude) and they swing to and fro screaming "viva evolution."
"Science cannot prove that GOD exists" they say, "therefore he does not exist!"
... er ... lets have some fun ... ?
That is not true.
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quicksand wrote:
@ marinealways
The pattern followed in all these religion forums is that the second person who walks in always comes along armed with a quotation or two and some reference stuff. Then the battle of quotations begins ... verses from scriptures, phrases from Wikipedia ...
Atheists cling on to Darwyns ba... (oops sorry! I did not mean to rude) and they swing to and fro screaming "viva evolution."
"Science cannot prove that GOD exists" they say, "therefore he does not exist!"
... er ... lets have some fun ... ?
If an atheist were to follow a leader such as Darwyn, what would make them different from a religion if they are a group belief.
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sandra rinck wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
Inspirepub wrote:
Hmmm, are there really only two options?
Either there is a creator, or we are just co-incidence?
I am not entirely sure that either of these options match my beliefs.
JennyCould you go more in depth please? What would be an alternative belief?
I concur with Jenny.
To my knowledge as well, you prolly wont find an atheist willing to divulge the concept of reality for a few different reasons mostly being that is is undefinable.
I believe that the theistic understanding is a shared concept which all must conform to one spiritual likeness while presuming that an atheist has no understanding whatsoever about life for choosing not to define what is most personal and can only be attributed to "something" that is souly understood yet cannot really be summed up because the "understanding" of the 'god' concept has been mangled beyond recognition that the only thing a person could do who knows this is to leave it unsaid.
I do take into account that some monotheistic believers do grasp it very well and fully understand what is not being said but by nature of mans oppression are to fearful to come to the dark side lol for fear of something that I assume many of them already understand but will not admit.
So atheism at it's core is not really about 'god' it's about the definition of the concept and most importantly it is about the theistic approach that is "actually" displacing people from what cannot but is the "absolute truth".
Make sense?
But this is my take that in all likely hood other atheist would disagree with assertion yet for an understood reason.
Try to make sense of it.How do you believe we were created?
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marinealways24 wrote:
sandra rinck wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
Could you go more in depth please? What would be an alternative belief?I concur with Jenny.
To my knowledge as well, you prolly wont find an atheist willing to divulge the concept of reality for a few different reasons mostly being that is is undefinable.
I believe that the theistic understanding is a shared concept which all must conform to one spiritual likeness while presuming that an atheist has no understanding whatsoever about life for choosing not to define what is most personal and can only be attributed to "something" that is souly understood yet cannot really be summed up because the "understanding" of the 'god' concept has been mangled beyond recognition that the only thing a person could do who knows this is to leave it unsaid.
I do take into account that some monotheistic believers do grasp it very well and fully understand what is not being said but by nature of mans oppression are to fearful to come to the dark side lol for fear of something that I assume many of them already understand but will not admit.
So atheism at it's core is not really about 'god' it's about the definition of the concept and most importantly it is about the theistic approach that is "actually" displacing people from what cannot but is the "absolute truth".
Make sense?
But this is my take that in all likely hood other atheist would disagree with assertion yet for an understood reason.
Try to make sense of it.How do you believe we were created?
It's not a question about belief.
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sandra rinck wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
sandra rinck wrote:
I concur with Jenny.
To my knowledge as well, you prolly wont find an atheist willing to divulge the concept of reality for a few different reasons mostly being that is is undefinable.
I believe that the theistic understanding is a shared concept which all must conform to one spiritual likeness while presuming that an atheist has no understanding whatsoever about life for choosing not to define what is most personal and can only be attributed to "something" that is souly understood yet cannot really be summed up because the "understanding" of the 'god' concept has been mangled beyond recognition that the only thing a person could do who knows this is to leave it unsaid.
I do take into account that some monotheistic believers do grasp it very well and fully understand what is not being said but by nature of mans oppression are to fearful to come to the dark side lol for fear of something that I assume many of them already understand but will not admit.
So atheism at it's core is not really about 'god' it's about the definition of the concept and most importantly it is about the theistic approach that is "actually" displacing people from what cannot but is the "absolute truth".
Make sense?
But this is my take that in all likely hood other atheist would disagree with assertion yet for an understood reason.
Try to make sense of it.How do you believe we were created?
It's not a question about belief.
Please explain.
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If an atheist looks to other atheist for guidance of belief, is this not the same as a religious person looking for guidance of a preacher?
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marinealways24 wrote:
sandra rinck wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
How do you believe we were created?It's not a question about belief.
Please explain.
You are trying to give me the run around to assert that what you believe is without a doubt the truth.
I already stated that "what is" "is" undefinable. Why not start with telling me what you believe. - 91
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sandra rinck wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
sandra rinck wrote:
It's not a question about belief.
Please explain.
You are trying to give me the run around to assert that what you believe is without a doubt the truth.
I already stated that "what is" "is" undefinable. Why not start with telling me what you believe.I'm not trying to give you any sort of test, I'm just asking to hear your perspective. I do not want to fill the page with my belief, if you want to read, it is my hub titled, "GOD LOGIC"
Thank You 
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People have listened to what other people say is the word of God for centuries and century after century these bold and definite statements are found to be wrong. From the earliest time when Thor was supposed to be the cause of thunder though the definite holy fact that the flat world was the center of the universe the men of God speak with absolute certainty. The demand that this be the only truth and they put the fellow humans to death in the most horrible ways when someone was to think for themselves. In the name of God we destroyed the Library of Alexandria and we suppressed the scientific method created by the Ioians.
These forums speak of God in the western style and ignore the religions of the east. Do they not have an equal reason to claim theirs is the true way?
Everyone believes the way they like but you must admit to people who do not find themselves to be devout that there are a lot of questions to be answered.- 91
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Pete Maida wrote:
People have listened to what other people say is the word of God for centuries and century after century these bold and definite statements are found to be wrong. From the earliest time when Thor was supposed to be the cause of thunder though the definite holy fact that the flat world was the center of the universe the men of God speak with absolute certainty. The demand that this be the only truth and they put the fellow humans to death in the most horrible ways when someone was to think for themselves. In the name of God we destroyed the Library of Alexandria and we suppressed the scientific method created by the Ioians.
These forums speak of God in the western style and ignore the religions of the east. Do they not have an equal reason to claim theirs is the true way?
Everyone believes the way they like but you must admit to people who do not find themselves to be devout that there are a lot of questions to be answered.I agree that there are many things that no one knows. This is why I believe all belief should be left open to debate.
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marinealways24 wrote:
sandra rinck wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
Please explain.You are trying to give me the run around to assert that what you believe is without a doubt the truth.
I already stated that "what is" "is" undefinable. Why not start with telling me what you believe.I'm not trying to give you any sort of test, I'm just asking to hear your perspective. I do not want to fill the page with my belief, if you want to read, it is my hub titled, "GOD LOGIC"
Thank YouLiterally I am just a genetic make up of the Universe. I don't know how it all happened with absolute certainty. I really don't care to try to define it.
I don't feel apart from it and I don't feel there is an end to it. I don't know that it was an "accident" and I don't know if it has a purpose.
When I die I literally believe at some point I will be what I was before. In essence I quite possibly will be a star. However ridiculous it sounds is just as ridiculous as any other but it is what makes me happy.
I believe in a heaven yet I believe it quite literally as whatever is out there in the Universe and that the Universe exist inside as well as out which only leaves me with the question about consciousness.
I don't know why we think or feel I just know that we do. I don't know why I care or why I esteem life as something I don't want to loose.
I don't know the answers but feel what is absolute and yet I know it goes beyond any "real" human understanding.
Spiritually speaking, I feel that in "lifes" continual and perpetual motions that what I love here on earth will not be as it is now but the attraction that I feel to the people that I love will exist in a sense in the same way that a star most usually has a companion star.
I don't know how they chose or if they chose at all so all that is left is something that I like to call "soul power". So laugh away at my ridiculous notions about what is and what comes next etc... just know that because this is the best way I can describe what it is I feel without defining a source leaves me to question an existence of any god at all.
In which case I can say that god does not and never did exist outside of us and on a physical reality plain the "creation" idea cannot and will never be define so I am aware of it but addressing what I already know cannot be understood just leaves room to ignore or distort what is into something that is not and that is why our ancestors used personified figures to depict the notion of god.
