What are we doing in Afghanistan? Anybody worried? or Not worried?
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The foreign policy establishment, for the most part including the New York Times editorial page, has called our military activities in Afghanistan a "necessary war," in contrast to our invasion of Iraq. Recently, comments about our military efforts in Afghanistan are becoming more skeptical. Questions are increasingly being raised about our objectives, the likelihood and cost in lives and money of accomplishing them, and how much longer our policies will be supported by American public opinion.
Some say that the more troops we send to Afghanistan, the more casualties, American and Afghan, there will be and that military action is not likely to achieve our objective of protecting the United States and its allies against terrorism.
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Good question Ralph, how about we just win the damn thing and go home? Do what needs to be done to show those who want to kill us what we can actually do, Nahhhh. never work, its too easy to really win a war. Let Paul Krugman figure it out.
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A Texan wrote:
Good question Ralph, how about we just win the damn thing and go home? Do what needs to be done to show those who want to kill us what we can actually do, Nahhhh. never work, its too easy to really win a war. Let Paul Krugman figure it out.
How will we know when we have won? And how many more troops and how long do you think that would take?
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Russia helps U.S. in Afghanistan, perhaps due to problems with heroin according to Juan Cole.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/09/cole/ - 84
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
A Texan wrote:
Good question Ralph, how about we just win the damn thing and go home? Do what needs to be done to show those who want to kill us what we can actually do, Nahhhh. never work, its too easy to really win a war. Let Paul Krugman figure it out.
How will we know when we have won? And how many more troops and how long do you think that would take?
Another good question,Tactical nuke strike in the Hindu Kush and wait and see who crawls out and kill them! Harsh? Yep, but killing is killing!
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Australia takes the same view as America - Afghanistan is a major terrorist base, so the war there has to be won.
I'm going to be politically incorrect here. Look back in history at all the previous wars - from the Vietnam war, all the way back in history. How many soldiers died winning those wars?
Now look at the casualty rates for Allied soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course those deaths are tragic for the families of the fallen, especially if there's a question mark over the rightness of the war - but it's that old saying, "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs".
I get the impression that governments are terrified of the negative media impact of casualties and the armed forces are under instructions to minimize them - which surely means they can't be fighting as effectively as they could be. Which only drags the war out for longer.
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A Texan wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
A Texan wrote:
Good question Ralph, how about we just win the damn thing and go home? Do what needs to be done to show those who want to kill us what we can actually do, Nahhhh. never work, its too easy to really win a war. Let Paul Krugman figure it out.
How will we know when we have won? And how many more troops and how long do you think that would take?
Another good question,Tactical nuke strike in the Hindu Kush and wait and see who crawls out and kill them! Harsh? Yep, but killing is killing!
Oh yes great idea. Lets nuke the taliban, and then wait and see how long it takes for Iranian or Pakistani nuclear weapons to end up in their possession. Pakistan, who have been supplied nuclear technology by China, has great instability and is ridden with taliban and al qaeda. What happens then?
Pakistani nuclear weapons find their way into the hands of extremists, they subsequently attack allied forces, and possibly India. India then attacks Pakistan. China and Iran then attack India, Russia attacks Pakistan. Why doesnt America just cause World War III?
Lets have yet another nuclear scare. Hasn't the world learnt from the destruction of Hiroshima and the global effects of the cold war? Is America going to be at the heart of this once more?
Thank god for Obama, we can be assured that this will not happen until at least 2012.- 84
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ryankett wrote:
A Texan wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
How will we know when we have won? And how many more troops and how long do you think that would take?Another good question,Tactical nuke strike in the Hindu Kush and wait and see who crawls out and kill them! Harsh? Yep, but killing is killing!
Oh yes great idea. Lets nuke the taliban, and then wait and see how long it takes for Iranian or Pakistani nuclear weapons to end up in their possession. Pakistan, who have been supplied nuclear technology by China, has great instability and is ridden with taliban and al qaeda. What happens then?
Pakistani nuclear weapons find their way into the hands of extremists, they subsequently attack allied forces, and possibly India. India then attacks Pakistan. China and Iran then attack India, Russia attacks Pakistan. Why doesnt America just cause World War III?
Lets have yet another nuclear scare. Hasn't the world learnt from the destruction of Hiroshima and the global effects of the cold war? Is America going to be at the heart of this once more?
Thank god for Obama, we can be assured that this will not happen until at least 2012.If your not prepared to fight to win then pull them out! Ok with you? Is "learnt" even a word?
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from the Vietnam war, all the way back in history. How many soldiers died winning those wars?
Although I agree with most of what you said, are you really convinced that America ever 'won' the war in Vietnam? The BBC, ABC, and The New York Times.... amongst many other great journalistic institutions, have long held the belief that the Americans were defeated in Vietnam. In fact, they were. They returned home to the USA, and left the South Vietnamese to fight alone.
In addition, we have already seen the Russians defeated in Afghanistan. That war nearly bankrupted them, just like it is bankrupting the US and the UK. People like the Chinese and the Russians are laughing at the 'allies' for the amount they have invested in the war..... whilst places like the UAE and Uzbekistan, countries on their doorstep, foot none of the cost whatsoever.
Personally I never consider a war 'won', I only see the 'loss'. - 96
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A Texan wrote:
ryankett wrote:
A Texan wrote:
Another good question,Tactical nuke strike in the Hindu Kush and wait and see who crawls out and kill them! Harsh? Yep, but killing is killing!
Oh yes great idea. Lets nuke the taliban, and then wait and see how long it takes for Iranian or Pakistani nuclear weapons to end up in their possession. Pakistan, who have been supplied nuclear technology by China, has great instability and is ridden with taliban and al qaeda. What happens then?
Pakistani nuclear weapons find their way into the hands of extremists, they subsequently attack allied forces, and possibly India. India then attacks Pakistan. China and Iran then attack India, Russia attacks Pakistan. Why doesnt America just cause World War III?
Lets have yet another nuclear scare. Hasn't the world learnt from the destruction of Hiroshima and the global effects of the cold war? Is America going to be at the heart of this once more?
Thank god for Obama, we can be assured that this will not happen until at least 2012.If your not prepared to fight to win then pull them out! Ok with you? Is "learnt" even a word?
Yes learnt is a word, it is an English word. Just because you Americans altered our language, and decide to still call it 'English' does not mean that you are right. We were speaking our language before the English even stepped foot on American soil. Is 'learned' even a word? Yes. But its a much newer one.
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ryankett wrote:
A Texan wrote:
ryankett wrote:
Oh yes great idea. Lets nuke the taliban, and then wait and see how long it takes for Iranian or Pakistani nuclear weapons to end up in their possession. Pakistan, who have been supplied nuclear technology by China, has great instability and is ridden with taliban and al qaeda. What happens then?
Pakistani nuclear weapons find their way into the hands of extremists, they subsequently attack allied forces, and possibly India. India then attacks Pakistan. China and Iran then attack India, Russia attacks Pakistan. Why doesnt America just cause World War III?
Lets have yet another nuclear scare. Hasn't the world learnt from the destruction of Hiroshima and the global effects of the cold war? Is America going to be at the heart of this once more?
Thank god for Obama, we can be assured that this will not happen until at least 2012.If your not prepared to fight to win then pull them out! Ok with you? Is "learnt" even a word?
Yes learnt is a word, it is an English word. Just because you Americans altered our language, and decide to still call it 'English' does not mean that you are right. We were speaking our language before the English even stepped foot on American soil. Is 'learned' even a word? Yes. But its a much newer one.
We altered that whole dental thing also!
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Wow Ralph, something we seem to agree on! Can't remember when this happened last time.
You can't win this war. You won't win it. The sooner you finish it, the less casualties you will suffer. The same refers to the war in Iraq of course.- 96
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Misha wrote:
Wow Ralph, something we seem to agree on! Can't remember when this happened last time.
You can't win this war. You won't win it. The sooner you finish it, the less casualties you will suffer. The same refers to the war in Iraq of course.And believe it or not Misha, that is something that even we agree on too. Your own nation of birth saw sense the first time around, and we should see sense this time around.
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Wow Ralph, something we seem to agree on! Can't remember when this happened last time.
You can't win this war. You won't win it. The sooner you finish it, the less casualties you will suffer. The same refers to the war in Iraq of course.And believe it or not Misha, that is something that even we agree on too. Your own nation of birth saw sense the first time around, and we should see sense this time around.
I am not sure USSR saw sense, it just could not continue the war any more and pretty soon went bankrupt partly because of this war. Given striking similarities between USSR collapse back then and USA today, I would think something similar will happen here too
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Misha wrote:
ryankett wrote:
Misha wrote:
Wow Ralph, something we seem to agree on! Can't remember when this happened last time.
You can't win this war. You won't win it. The sooner you finish it, the less casualties you will suffer. The same refers to the war in Iraq of course.And believe it or not Misha, that is something that even we agree on too. Your own nation of birth saw sense the first time around, and we should see sense this time around.
I am not sure USSR saw sense, it just could not continue the war any more and pretty soon went bankrupt partly because of this war. Given striking similarities between USSR collapse back then and USA today, I would think something similar will happen here too
Yes indeed, it is clear that much of the American debt under Bush (and the UK debt under Blair) can be attributed directly to the costs of war. So yes your right, we are all paying the price financially for this war and will be for the long term. Of course, both of these countries believe that they will regain this money through Afghan oil - the real motive
I strongly believe that the primary motive for this war is oil, but I do not believe that it is a gamble that will pay off - 84
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ryankett wrote:
Misha wrote:
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And believe it or not Misha, that is something that even we agree on too. Your own nation of birth saw sense the first time around, and we should see sense this time around.I am not sure USSR saw sense, it just could not continue the war any more and pretty soon went bankrupt partly because of this war. Given striking similarities between USSR collapse back then and USA today, I would think something similar will happen here too
Yes indeed, it is clear that much of the American debt under Bush (and the UK debt under Blair) can be attributed directly to the costs of war. So yes your right, we are all paying the price financially for this war and will be for the long term. Of course, both of these countries believe that they will regain this money through Afghan oil - the real motive
I strongly believe that the primary motive for this war is oil, but I do not believe that it is a gamble that will pay off
The real motive? So where is our Iraqi oil? Conspiracies everywhere!!
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A Texan wrote:
ryankett wrote:
Misha wrote:
I am not sure USSR saw sense, it just could not continue the war any more and pretty soon went bankrupt partly because of this war. Given striking similarities between USSR collapse back then and USA today, I would think something similar will happen here too
Yes indeed, it is clear that much of the American debt under Bush (and the UK debt under Blair) can be attributed directly to the costs of war. So yes your right, we are all paying the price financially for this war and will be for the long term. Of course, both of these countries believe that they will regain this money through Afghan oil - the real motive
I strongly believe that the primary motive for this war is oil, but I do not believe that it is a gamble that will pay off
The real motive? So where is our Iraqi oil? Conspiracies everywhere!!
Iraqi gas and oil is being pumped straight into central europe, it was not before occupation. There are thousands of western oil workers in Iraq.
Royal Dutch Shell has a 25 year contract entitling them to half of the profits on all Southern Iraqi gas, a complete monopoly. This gas is being pumped straight to central europe.
BP and CNPC (Chinese) are running the 17 billion barrel Rumalia oil field.
CNOOC, Sinopec, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Occidental Petroleum, Korea Gas Corp, Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Petronas, ONGC, Gazprom, and several other companies...... are all in the bidding for the rights to 8 further oil or gas fields.
And that is just the start. Iraq has more oil than Saudi Arabia. Iraq has a minimum of 115 billion barrels of oil, suspected to actually be about 400 billion by the time exploration has been completed.
At the moment, corporations are fighting over 43 billion barrels of that oil.
So shove your 'conspiracy theories' comment straight back up your arse, significant amounts of Gas are being pumped to Europe from Iraq for the first time in 35 years. And soon oil will be shipped all over the world from Iraq.
No conspiracy theories, go and read the investors news or company reports from any of those businesses - and it is right there in the print.
Dont think that you know it all A Texan, you clearly do very little reading about global business. - 84
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ryankett wrote:
A Texan wrote:
ryankett wrote:
Yes indeed, it is clear that much of the American debt under Bush (and the UK debt under Blair) can be attributed directly to the costs of war. So yes your right, we are all paying the price financially for this war and will be for the long term. Of course, both of these countries believe that they will regain this money through Afghan oil - the real motive I strongly believe that the primary motive for this war is oil, but I do not believe that it is a gamble that will pay off
The real motive? So where is our Iraqi oil? Conspiracies everywhere!!
Iraqi gas and oil is being pumped straight into central europe, it was not before occupation. There are thousands of western oil workers in Iraq.
Royal Dutch Shell has a 25 year contract entitling them to half of the profits on all Southern Iraqi gas, a complete monopoly. This gas is being pumped straight to central europe.
BP and CNPC (Chinese) are running the 17 billion barrel Rumalia oil field.
CNOOC, Sinopec, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Occidental Petroleum, Korea Gas Corp, Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Petronas, ONGC, Gazprom, and several other companies...... are all in the bidding for the rights to 8 further oil or gas fields.
And that is just the start. Iraq has more oil than Saudi Arabia. Iraq has a minimum of 115 billion barrels of oil, suspected to actually be about 400 billion by the time exploration has been completed.
At the moment, corporations are fighting over 43 billion barrels of that oil.
So shove your 'conspiracy theories' comment straight back up your arse, significant amounts of Gas are being pumped to Europe from Iraq for the first time in 35 years. And soon oil will be shipped all over the world from Iraq.
No conspiracy theories, go and read the investors news or company reports from any of those businesses - and it is right there in the print.
Dont think that you know it all A Texan, you clearly do very little reading about global business.So the Europeans are getting oil for our dead? Wheres ours Rotten tooth
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A Texan wrote:
ryankett wrote:
A Texan wrote:
The real motive? So where is our Iraqi oil? Conspiracies everywhere!!
Iraqi gas and oil is being pumped straight into central europe, it was not before occupation. There are thousands of western oil workers in Iraq.
Royal Dutch Shell has a 25 year contract entitling them to half of the profits on all Southern Iraqi gas, a complete monopoly. This gas is being pumped straight to central europe.
BP and CNPC (Chinese) are running the 17 billion barrel Rumalia oil field.
CNOOC, Sinopec, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Occidental Petroleum, Korea Gas Corp, Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Petronas, ONGC, Gazprom, and several other companies...... are all in the bidding for the rights to 8 further oil or gas fields.
And that is just the start. Iraq has more oil than Saudi Arabia. Iraq has a minimum of 115 billion barrels of oil, suspected to actually be about 400 billion by the time exploration has been completed.
At the moment, corporations are fighting over 43 billion barrels of that oil.
So shove your 'conspiracy theories' comment straight back up your arse, significant amounts of Gas are being pumped to Europe from Iraq for the first time in 35 years. And soon oil will be shipped all over the world from Iraq.
No conspiracy theories, go and read the investors news or company reports from any of those businesses - and it is right there in the print.
Dont think that you know it all A Texan, you clearly do very little reading about global business.So the Europeans are getting oil for our dead? Wheres ours Rotten tooth
And what country do you think Exxon Mobil Corporation are from dipshit? And what country do you think Shell Oil Company is from 12 toes? Chevron are in on the bidding too douchebag.
Why do you think that Chinese companies are in on that deal dumbshit? BECAUSE THEY FINANCED YOUR FUCKING WAR.
BP? They are British. Oil for our dead?
That oil does not belong to Europe or America, its Iraqi oil. The Iraqi people should own that oil. - 84
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ryankett wrote:
A Texan wrote:
ryankett wrote:
Iraqi gas and oil is being pumped straight into central europe, it was not before occupation. There are thousands of western oil workers in Iraq.
Royal Dutch Shell has a 25 year contract entitling them to half of the profits on all Southern Iraqi gas, a complete monopoly. This gas is being pumped straight to central europe.
BP and CNPC (Chinese) are running the 17 billion barrel Rumalia oil field.
CNOOC, Sinopec, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Occidental Petroleum, Korea Gas Corp, Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Petronas, ONGC, Gazprom, and several other companies...... are all in the bidding for the rights to 8 further oil or gas fields.
And that is just the start. Iraq has more oil than Saudi Arabia. Iraq has a minimum of 115 billion barrels of oil, suspected to actually be about 400 billion by the time exploration has been completed.
At the moment, corporations are fighting over 43 billion barrels of that oil.
So shove your 'conspiracy theories' comment straight back up your arse, significant amounts of Gas are being pumped to Europe from Iraq for the first time in 35 years. And soon oil will be shipped all over the world from Iraq.
No conspiracy theories, go and read the investors news or company reports from any of those businesses - and it is right there in the print.
Dont think that you know it all A Texan, you clearly do very little reading about global business.So the Europeans are getting oil for our dead? Wheres ours Rotten tooth
And what country do you think Exxon Mobil Corporation are from dipshit? And what country do you think Shell Oil Company is from 12 toes? Chevron are in on the bidding too douchebag.
Why do you think that Chinese companies are in on that deal dumbshit? BECAUSE THEY FINANCED YOUR FUCKING WAR.
BP? They are British. Oil for our dead?
That oil does not belong to Europe or America, its Iraqi oil. The Iraqi people should own that oil.You know we altered foul language here and you stole it, how dare you...Rotten tooth! Since you have not provided any proof I will simply say prove it, until then floss everyday and brush after each meal.
