Is Glen Beck bad for America?
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
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Acorn was designed to encourage inner city minorities to register and vote. They have had problems which damaged the organization's reputation beyond the extent of the problems. These issues pale compared to GOP efforts to suppress the minority vote as happened in Florida when Bush and the Supreme Court stole the election from Gore.Oh please! It's funny how the left makes these claims and yet fails to see the connection between ACORN and SEIU president Stern and the fact that he has been to the White House 22 times in the last 3 months or that ACORN is helping the Census while at the same time the Census now reports to the White house instead of commerce. That doesn't seem to bother you? I wonder why? Is election fraud only okay when the democrats engage in it? Or is it justified because Bush "stole" the election, you know, the one where Gore conceded and the courts ruled in Bush's favor?
The Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore. In a precedent-breaking split decision the U.S. Supreme Court over-ruled the Florida court's decision. What is it that you think is improper about Andy Stern's visits to the White House? As I recall Cheney met secretly with coal, oil and mining lobbyists and allowed them to write their own rules and proposed legislation. And Cheney refused to release the names of his environmental advisory committee.
I wasn't talking about Cheney's secret meetings. Why bring that up? That's history and there's nothing that can be done about it now, though it was widely reported in the MSM at the time and much was made of it. I'm not going to justify that but where is the outrage in the MSM of Obama's ties to Acorn? It seems non existent.
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Poppa Blues wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
Oh please! It's funny how the left makes these claims and yet fails to see the connection between ACORN and SEIU president Stern and the fact that he has been to the White House 22 times in the last 3 months or that ACORN is helping the Census while at the same time the Census now reports to the White house instead of commerce. That doesn't seem to bother you? I wonder why? Is election fraud only okay when the democrats engage in it? Or is it justified because Bush "stole" the election, you know, the one where Gore conceded and the courts ruled in Bush's favor?The Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore. In a precedent-breaking split decision the U.S. Supreme Court over-ruled the Florida court's decision. What is it that you think is improper about Andy Stern's visits to the White House? As I recall Cheney met secretly with coal, oil and mining lobbyists and allowed them to write their own rules and proposed legislation. And Cheney refused to release the names of his environmental advisory committee.
I wasn't talking about Cheney's secret meetings. Why bring that up? That's history and there's nothing that can be done about it now, though it was widely reported in the MSM at the time and much was made of it. I'm not going to justify that but where is the outrage in the MSM of Obama's ties to Acorn? It seems non existent.
Obviously, I brought them up in response to your attributing something sinister about Andy Stern's visits to the White House. He obviously has influence in a Democratic administration. He has no formal connection with ACORN, so your claim equating him with ACORN is innacurate.
The topic is Glenn Beck. Why don't you tell us about why your'e such a big Gleen Beck fan?
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
The Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore. In a precedent-breaking split decision the U.S. Supreme Court over-ruled the Florida court's decision. What is it that you think is improper about Andy Stern's visits to the White House? As I recall Cheney met secretly with coal, oil and mining lobbyists and allowed them to write their own rules and proposed legislation. And Cheney refused to release the names of his environmental advisory committee.I wasn't talking about Cheney's secret meetings. Why bring that up? That's history and there's nothing that can be done about it now, though it was widely reported in the MSM at the time and much was made of it. I'm not going to justify that but where is the outrage in the MSM of Obama's ties to Acorn? It seems non existent.
Obviously, I brought them up in response to your attributing something sinister about Andy Stern's visits to the White House. He obviously has influence in a Democratic administration. He has no formal connection with ACORN, so your claim equating him with ACORN is innacurate.
The topic is Glenn Beck. Why don't you tell us about why your'e such a big Gleen Beck fan?Besides the fact that Andy Stern is president of SEIU, I guess he has no formal connection with Acorn????
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No he wasn't popular and criticism started even before he was president. His inauguration day there were protesters lined up during his route. You've got selective memory.
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report from the Chicago Sun-Times the SEIU has given ACORN $4 million. Could you clarify to me the extent of your financial and programmatic ties to ACORN a project launched by Leftist multibillionaire financier George Soros and other assorted "partners." In 2008 SEIU paid $190,000 under the category of "Contributions" and in 2009 thus far has paid $25,000. Under the category of "Contracted Services," the respective figures are $1.4 million and $220,000. But these figures barely scratch the surface. Official Labor Department filings show the SEIU contributed more than $4 million to ACORN and various affiliates since 2006. The SEIU hired ACORN founder and now-deposed chief organizer-CEO Wade Rathke to coordinate the union's national organizing programs.
SEIUHealthCare was especially active, in recent years transferring the following sums to ACORN-affiliated outfits: Chicago Organizing and Support Center ($248,000); Illinois ACORN ($60,000); Illinois ACORN WNB ($92,006); Citizens Consulting, Inc. ($191,820); Citizens Consulting Inc. Legal ($31,745); and ACORN Chief Organizer's Fund ($5,894). And there's the Wade Rathke-run SEIU Local 100. The union's 2006 filing with the Labor Department, for example, reveals $5,670 paid to Citizens Consulting, Inc.; $71,899 in "gifts" to the Service Workers Action Team, a political action committee housed at ACORN's New Orleans chapter office; and accounts payable totaling $138,516 to other Rathke-controlled entities.
You're right, there is no connection! 
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Poppa Blues wrote:
True, Obama was elected by a majority, however, that does not mean that my rights to object to his policies should be unspoken. No one stopped you from voicing your opposition to Bush when he was president, right? At least Bush did not try to inhibit free speech by claiming certain news organizations were not legitimate.
I find the right-wing hyperventilating about FoxNews being called an opinion/research arm of the GOP amusing, mostly because those really hyperventilating about it is FoxNews, and they influence watchers to have the exact same priorities as they do. It reminds me of teenagers talking about celebrities as if they were their friends.
Besides, WHO is trying to shut you or FoxNews up? Or are you upset that a majority doesn't agree with you?And by the way nowhere did I threaten to use weapons of any kind! I was merely responding to this ridiculous notion of gun control and the real reasons why gun ownership is a constitutional right recently upheld by the Supreme Court as an INDIVIDUAL right as it should be!
Your use of the Thomas Jefferson quote, which pertained to the need for arms to rise up against a tyrannical (read: unelected, undemocratic) government seems inappropriate then, doesn't it?
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livelonger wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
True, Obama was elected by a majority, however, that does not mean that my rights to object to his policies should be unspoken. No one stopped you from voicing your opposition to Bush when he was president, right? At least Bush did not try to inhibit free speech by claiming certain news organizations were not legitimate.
I find the right-wing hyperventilating about FoxNews being called an opinion/research arm of the GOP amusing, mostly because those really hyperventilating about it is FoxNews, and they influence watchers to have the exact same priorities as they do. It reminds me of teenagers talking about celebrities as if they were their friends.
Besides, WHO is trying to shut you or FoxNews up? Or are you upset that a majority doesn't agree with you?And by the way nowhere did I threaten to use weapons of any kind! I was merely responding to this ridiculous notion of gun control and the real reasons why gun ownership is a constitutional right recently upheld by the Supreme Court as an INDIVIDUAL right as it should be!
Your use of the Thomas Jefferson quote, which pertained to the need for arms to rise up against a tyrannical (read: unelected, undemocratic) government seems inappropriate then, doesn't it?
Fox isn't the only place to get fair and balanced information, but you must admit the bulk of the media is not raising ANY questions about the Obama administration or it's policies nor is it pursing any. The very purpose of the media is to be skeptical, to question, not promote authority. That in itself should trouble all free thinking people.
Who is trying to shut Fox News up? Well haven't you been paying attention? The Obama administration Axelrod, Dunn, and Emanuel. Don't you remember when the White House tried to keep Fox from interviewing their Pay Czar and the other news organizations protested? If Bus had done that I wonder what you would be saying?
Again, my use of the Jefferson quote was in response to another post questioning why in modern society we should have a "right to bear arms". That's hardly a threat! Do you have something against Thomas Jefferson? - 89
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
The Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore. In a precedent-breaking split decision the U.S. Supreme Court over-ruled the Florida court's decision. What is it that you think is improper about Andy Stern's visits to the White House? As I recall Cheney met secretly with coal, oil and mining lobbyists and allowed them to write their own rules and proposed legislation. And Cheney refused to release the names of his environmental advisory committee.I wasn't talking about Cheney's secret meetings. Why bring that up? That's history and there's nothing that can be done about it now, though it was widely reported in the MSM at the time and much was made of it. I'm not going to justify that but where is the outrage in the MSM of Obama's ties to Acorn? It seems non existent.
Obviously, I brought them up in response to your attributing something sinister about Andy Stern's visits to the White House. He obviously has influence in a Democratic administration. He has no formal connection with ACORN, so your claim equating him with ACORN is innacurate.
The topic is Glenn Beck. Why don't you tell us about why your'e such a big Gleen Beck fan?You might want to check this out regarding Acorn and SEIU.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10488
I like Glen Beck because he does some good reporting. He's raising questions that really deserve answers. And you do they do because the Administration is so upset by them they tried to shut him up and discredit him. You have to ask yourself, if Glen Beck is crazy and a fool, and a hate monger, or whatever, why is the White House so afraid of him?
I think he's sincere. He's perhaps a little too conservative for me, but then, those questions are troubling. Like I said, I think he took it too far with the Obama being a racist, but as he says you don't have to agree with him, do your own homework. I'm pretty sure a black guy with a with a white mother raised by a white grandmother isn't a racist! - 93
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Ernie wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
No he wasn't popular and criticism started even before he was president. His inauguration day there were protesters lined up during his route. You've got selective memory.
Thanks, Ernie. You confirmed my memory that Bush's popularity was high after his inauguration and 9-11.
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Poppa Blues wrote:
Fox isn't the only place to get fair and balanced information, but you must admit the bulk of the media is not raising ANY questions about the Obama administration or it's policies nor is it pursing any. The very purpose of the media is to be skeptical, to question, not promote authority. That in itself should trouble all free thinking people.
Agreed. Why does FoxNews only attack the Democrats then, and use plenty of distortion and innuendo, and treat the Republicans/conservatives with kid gloves? They do nothing but cheerleading for conservatives. Not exactly fair and balanced at all, which is their prerogative if they just peddle opinion.
Who is trying to shut Fox News up? Well haven't you been paying attention? The Obama administration Axelrod, Dunn, and Emanuel. Don't you remember when the White House tried to keep Fox from interviewing their Pay Czar and the other news organizations protested? If Bus had done that I wonder what you would be saying?
I honestly would be troubled by this but again, FoxNews doesn't ask "tough questions" at all; they just spread propaganda. Most of the other news networks (except MSNBC, arguably) do a good job of asking tough questions.
Did the Bush administration have a habit of singling out one "bad player" among the news organizations, or did it basically exclude all of them except for FoxNews? - 89
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livelonger wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
Fox isn't the only place to get fair and balanced information, but you must admit the bulk of the media is not raising ANY questions about the Obama administration or it's policies nor is it pursing any. The very purpose of the media is to be skeptical, to question, not promote authority. That in itself should trouble all free thinking people.
Agreed. Why does FoxNews only attack the Democrats then, and use plenty of distortion and innuendo, and treat the Republicans/conservatives with kid gloves? They do nothing but cheer leading for conservatives. Not exactly fair and balanced at all, which is their prerogative if they just peddle opinion.
Who is trying to shut Fox News up? Well haven't you been paying attention? The Obama administration Axelrod, Dunn, and Emanuel. Don't you remember when the White House tried to keep Fox from interviewing their Pay Czar and the other news organizations protested? If Bus had done that I wonder what you would be saying?
I honestly would be troubled by this but again, FoxNews doesn't ask "tough questions" at all; they just spread propaganda. Most of the other news networks (except MSNBC, arguably) do a good job of asking tough questions.
Did the Bush administration have a habit of singling out one "bad player" among the news organizations, or did it basically exclude all of them except for FoxNews?I've said this many times but I'll repeat it, all news is biased, it's produced, edited, and presented by people. People have opinions. Fox perhaps leans to the right which I think is fine given that everyone else is leaning left.
My gripe is the press needs to live up to it's responsibility. The press has to hold the feet of authority to the fire. They have to relentlessy question the motives and actions of the powers that be. The press should not ever be a cheeerleader for power! When that happens the people have lost! 
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Poppa Blues: At least Bush did not try to inhibit free speech by claiming certain news organizations were not legitimate.
He did however make it a practice to move members of the press corp to the back of the room and not call on those who objected to his actions and policies
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
The Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore. In a precedent-breaking split decision the U.S. Supreme Court over-ruled the Florida court's decision. What is it that you think is improper about Andy Stern's visits to the White House? As I recall Cheney met secretly with coal, oil and mining lobbyists and allowed them to write their own rules and proposed legislation. And Cheney refused to release the names of his environmental advisory committee.I wasn't talking about Cheney's secret meetings. Why bring that up? That's history and there's nothing that can be done about it now, though it was widely reported in the MSM at the time and much was made of it. I'm not going to justify that but where is the outrage in the MSM of Obama's ties to Acorn? It seems non existent.
Obviously, I brought them up in response to your attributing something sinister about Andy Stern's visits to the White House. He obviously has influence in a Democratic administration. He has no formal connection with ACORN, so your claim equating him with ACORN is innacurate.
The topic is Glenn Beck. Why don't you tell us about why your'e such a big Gleen Beck fan?Deeds I want to post this again, because you seem to want to ignore any fact except those that neatly fit into your little liberal box. If Stern had no Connection then how do you account for this?
report from the Chicago Sun-Times the SEIU has given ACORN $4 million. Could you clarify to me the extent of your financial and programmatic ties to ACORN a project launched by Leftist multibillionaire financier George Soros and other assorted "partners." In 2008 SEIU paid $190,000 under the category of "Contributions" and in 2009 thus far has paid $25,000. Under the category of "Contracted Services," the respective figures are $1.4 million and $220,000. But these figures barely scratch the surface. Official Labor Department filings show the SEIU contributed more than $4 million to ACORN and various affiliates since 2006. The SEIU hired ACORN founder and now-deposed chief organizer-CEO Wade Rathke to coordinate the union's national organizing programs.
SEIUHealthCare was especially active, in recent years transferring the following sums to ACORN-affiliated outfits: Chicago Organizing and Support Center ($248,000); Illinois ACORN ($60,000); Illinois ACORN WNB ($92,006); Citizens Consulting, Inc. ($191,820); Citizens Consulting Inc. Legal ($31,745); and ACORN Chief Organizer's Fund ($5,894). And there's the Wade Rathke-run SEIU Local 100. The union's 2006 filing with the Labor Department, for example, reveals $5,670 paid to Citizens Consulting, Inc.; $71,899 in "gifts" to the Service Workers Action Team, a political action committee housed at ACORN's New Orleans chapter office; and accounts payable totaling $138,516 to other Rathke-controlled entities.
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jiberish wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
I wasn't talking about Cheney's secret meetings. Why bring that up? That's history and there's nothing that can be done about it now, though it was widely reported in the MSM at the time and much was made of it. I'm not going to justify that but where is the outrage in the MSM of Obama's ties to Acorn? It seems non existent.Obviously, I brought them up in response to your attributing something sinister about Andy Stern's visits to the White House. He obviously has influence in a Democratic administration. He has no formal connection with ACORN, so your claim equating him with ACORN is innacurate.
The topic is Glenn Beck. Why don't you tell us about why your'e such a big Gleen Beck fan?Deeds I want to post this again, because you seem to want to ignore any fact except those that neatly fit into your little liberal box. If Stern had no Connection then how do you account for this?
report from the Chicago Sun-Times the SEIU has given ACORN $4 million. Could you clarify to me the extent of your financial and programmatic ties to ACORN a project launched by Leftist multibillionaire financier George Soros and other assorted "partners." In 2008 SEIU paid $190,000 under the category of "Contributions" and in 2009 thus far has paid $25,000. Under the category of "Contracted Services," the respective figures are $1.4 million and $220,000. But these figures barely scratch the surface. Official Labor Department filings show the SEIU contributed more than $4 million to ACORN and various affiliates since 2006. The SEIU hired ACORN founder and now-deposed chief organizer-CEO Wade Rathke to coordinate the union's national organizing programs.
SEIUHealthCare was especially active, in recent years transferring the following sums to ACORN-affiliated outfits: Chicago Organizing and Support Center ($248,000); Illinois ACORN ($60,000); Illinois ACORN WNB ($92,006); Citizens Consulting, Inc. ($191,820); Citizens Consulting Inc. Legal ($31,745); and ACORN Chief Organizer's Fund ($5,894). And there's the Wade Rathke-run SEIU Local 100. The union's 2006 filing with the Labor Department, for example, reveals $5,670 paid to Citizens Consulting, Inc.; $71,899 in "gifts" to the Service Workers Action Team, a political action committee housed at ACORN's New Orleans chapter office; and accounts payable totaling $138,516 to other Rathke-controlled entities.
You're right, there is no connectionjiberish, we have discussed this before. I didn't say there is "no connection between SEIU and ACORN." I said there is no FORMAL connection. As I pointed out previously SEIU and ACORN are separate organization. SEIU is a union that represents janitors, window washers, hotel workers, hospital workers and other similar workers. There is an overlap between SEIU members and organizing targets and ACORN constituents. Perhaps it would be say there is a natural community of interest between the two organizations. And I don't have any reason to doubt that, as you pointed out, SEIU contributed money to ACORN. There is nothing sinister about that. They both serve many of the same people most of whom vote Democrat. Nothing sinister about that.
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
Ernie wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
No he wasn't popular and criticism started even before he was president. His inauguration day there were protesters lined up during his route. You've got selective memory.
Thanks, Ernie. You confirmed my memory that Bush's popularity was high after his inauguration and 9-11.
Let's see, you don't think it's normal for the country to rally round him after September 11? As you can see from the graph it's been downhill ever since. You guys really do have selective memories.
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Ralph Deeds wrote:
jiberish wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
Obviously, I brought them up in response to your attributing something sinister about Andy Stern's visits to the White House. He obviously has influence in a Democratic administration. He has no formal connection with ACORN, so your claim equating him with ACORN is innacurate.
The topic is Glenn Beck. Why don't you tell us about why your'e such a big Gleen Beck fan?Deeds I want to post this again, because you seem to want to ignore any fact except those that neatly fit into your little liberal box. If Stern had no Connection then how do you account for this?
report from the Chicago Sun-Times the SEIU has given ACORN $4 million. Could you clarify to me the extent of your financial and programmatic ties to ACORN a project launched by Leftist multibillionaire financier George Soros and other assorted "partners." In 2008 SEIU paid $190,000 under the category of "Contributions" and in 2009 thus far has paid $25,000. Under the category of "Contracted Services," the respective figures are $1.4 million and $220,000. But these figures barely scratch the surface. Official Labor Department filings show the SEIU contributed more than $4 million to ACORN and various affiliates since 2006. The SEIU hired ACORN founder and now-deposed chief organizer-CEO Wade Rathke to coordinate the union's national organizing programs.
SEIUHealthCare was especially active, in recent years transferring the following sums to ACORN-affiliated outfits: Chicago Organizing and Support Center ($248,000); Illinois ACORN ($60,000); Illinois ACORN WNB ($92,006); Citizens Consulting, Inc. ($191,820); Citizens Consulting Inc. Legal ($31,745); and ACORN Chief Organizer's Fund ($5,894). And there's the Wade Rathke-run SEIU Local 100. The union's 2006 filing with the Labor Department, for example, reveals $5,670 paid to Citizens Consulting, Inc.; $71,899 in "gifts" to the Service Workers Action Team, a political action committee housed at ACORN's New Orleans chapter office; and accounts payable totaling $138,516 to other Rathke-controlled entities.
You're right, there is no connectionjiberish, we have discussed this before. I didn't say there is "no connection between SEIU and ACORN." I said there is no FORMAL connection. As I pointed out previously SEIU are separate organization. SEIU is a union that represents janitors, window washers, hotel workers, hospital workers and other similar workers. There is an overlap between SEIU members and organizing targets and ACORN constituents. Perhaps it would be say there is a natural community of interest between the two organizations. And I don't have any reason to doubt that, as you pointed out, SEIU contributed money to ACORN. There is nothing sinister about that. They both serve many of the same people most of whom vote Democrat. Nothing sinister about that.
So Acorn who gets money from the government and who was co founded with Stern who is president of SEIU and consults directly with Obama and contributed to his campaign doesn't have the appearance of anything questionable? I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was Bush that had those connections?
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Poppa Blues wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
jiberish wrote:
Deeds I want to post this again, because you seem to want to ignore any fact except those that neatly fit into your little liberal box. If Stern had no Connection then how do you account for this?
report from the Chicago Sun-Times the SEIU has given ACORN $4 million. Could you clarify to me the extent of your financial and programmatic ties to ACORN a project launched by Leftist multibillionaire financier George Soros and other assorted "partners." In 2008 SEIU paid $190,000 under the category of "Contributions" and in 2009 thus far has paid $25,000. Under the category of "Contracted Services," the respective figures are $1.4 million and $220,000. But these figures barely scratch the surface. Official Labor Department filings show the SEIU contributed more than $4 million to ACORN and various affiliates since 2006. The SEIU hired ACORN founder and now-deposed chief organizer-CEO Wade Rathke to coordinate the union's national organizing programs.
SEIUHealthCare was especially active, in recent years transferring the following sums to ACORN-affiliated outfits: Chicago Organizing and Support Center ($248,000); Illinois ACORN ($60,000); Illinois ACORN WNB ($92,006); Citizens Consulting, Inc. ($191,820); Citizens Consulting Inc. Legal ($31,745); and ACORN Chief Organizer's Fund ($5,894). And there's the Wade Rathke-run SEIU Local 100. The union's 2006 filing with the Labor Department, for example, reveals $5,670 paid to Citizens Consulting, Inc.; $71,899 in "gifts" to the Service Workers Action Team, a political action committee housed at ACORN's New Orleans chapter office; and accounts payable totaling $138,516 to other Rathke-controlled entities.
You're right, there is no connectionjiberish, we have discussed this before. I didn't say there is "no connection between SEIU and ACORN." I said there is no FORMAL connection. As I pointed out previously SEIU are separate organization. SEIU is a union that represents janitors, window washers, hotel workers, hospital workers and other similar workers. There is an overlap between SEIU members and organizing targets and ACORN constituents. Perhaps it would be say there is a natural community of interest between the two organizations. And I don't have any reason to doubt that, as you pointed out, SEIU contributed money to ACORN. There is nothing sinister about that. They both serve many of the same people most of whom vote Democrat. Nothing sinister about that.
So Acorn who gets money from the government and who was co founded with Stern who is president of SEIU and consults directly with Obama and contributed to his campaign doesn't have the appearance of anything questionable? I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was Bush that had those connections?
It is laughable to say that there's no connection. Remember all the quacks of Halliburton every time Cheney's name was mentioned?
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Poppa Blues wrote:
I've said this many times but I'll repeat it, all news is biased, it's produced, edited, and presented by people. People have opinions. Fox perhaps leans to the right which I think is fine given that everyone else is leaning left.
My gripe is the press needs to live up to it's responsibility. The press has to hold the feet of authority to the fire. They have to relentlessy question the motives and actions of the powers that be. The press should not ever be a cheeerleader for power! When that happens the people have lost!I agree with you 100% in principle; in practice, not so much. Fox does not lean to the right. It is a PR organization for the GOP. There is no Left equivalent among other news organizations.
When it comes to opinion, the other news organizations post truly fair and balanced material. Right off the front page of CNN moments ago: Overly eager White House is guilty of too much information
MSNBC's headline: New market bubble may be brewing
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Flightkeeper wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
Ralph Deeds wrote:
jiberish, we have discussed this before. I didn't say there is "no connection between SEIU and ACORN." I said there is no FORMAL connection. As I pointed out previously SEIU are separate organization. SEIU is a union that represents janitors, window washers, hotel workers, hospital workers and other similar workers. There is an overlap between SEIU members and organizing targets and ACORN constituents. Perhaps it would be say there is a natural community of interest between the two organizations. And I don't have any reason to doubt that, as you pointed out, SEIU contributed money to ACORN. There is nothing sinister about that. They both serve many of the same people most of whom vote Democrat. Nothing sinister about that.So Acorn who gets money from the government and who was co founded with Stern who is president of SEIU and consults directly with Obama and contributed to his campaign doesn't have the appearance of anything questionable? I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was Bush that had those connections?
It is laughable to say that there's no connection. Remember all the quacks of Halliburton every time Cheney's name was mentioned?
Jiberish, can you read? I didn't say there's NO connection. I said NO FORMAL connection. They are separate organizations with some common interests and constituents, basically the poorest people in the country. They are trying to combat GOP well-document efforts to suppress the inner-minority vote and court the redneck vote.
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livelonger wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
I've said this many times but I'll repeat it, all news is biased, it's produced, edited, and presented by people. People have opinions. Fox perhaps leans to the right which I think is fine given that everyone else is leaning left.
My gripe is the press needs to live up to it's responsibility. The press has to hold the feet of authority to the fire. They have to relentlessy question the motives and actions of the powers that be. The press should not ever be a cheeerleader for power! When that happens the people have lost!I agree with you 100% in principle; in practice, not so much. Fox does not lean to the right. It is a PR organization for the GOP. There is no Left equivalent among other news organizations.
When it comes to opinion, the other news organizations post truly fair and balanced material. Right off the front page of CNN moments ago: Overly eager White House is guilty of too much information
MSNBC's headline: New market bubble may be brewing
What cheerleading?!I think you're letting your own bias show now. Pew research does not support your beliefs.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1395/partis … -audiences
