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I guess first to believe in it. ![]()
Die.
I want him/her to appear in the middle of the U.N. during a full press conference and announce for us to knock all of our **** off.
Seriously if he/she is to think that we would take them seriously they have to have an updated message sooner then 2009 years ago.
to believe, and i think you must live accordingly to His standards
Simply SURRENDER your Spirit to His will, accept him as teacher,prophet and Savior.
LEFT HAND OF GOD wrote:
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I didn't realize that any of us were going to rule *with* him. I thought he is our judge and ruler, and we are his redeemed. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen, otherwise.
Rule and reign *with* ... I don't think God needs a copilot, and considering the shape of this world, I seriously doubt any of us would ever be offered such a license. ![]()
Maira818 wrote:
to believe, and i think you must live accordingly to His standards
Okay and for how long?
Bob Vince Jr wrote:
Simply SURRENDER your Spirit to His will, accept him as teacher,prophet and Savior.
Good start, anything else?
... from birth to dust ...
Daniel Carter wrote:
LEFT HAND OF GOD wrote:
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I didn't realize that any of us were going to rule *with* him. I thought he is our judge and ruler, and we are his redeemed. Seems like too many cooks in the kitchen, otherwise.
Okay and the operative words in your answer are "I did not realize"
yoshi97 wrote:
Rule and reign *with* ... I don't think God needs a copilot, and considering the shape of this world, I seriously doubt any of us would ever be offered such a license.
He does not need?....yet He offers this.
And the operative words in your answer are "I seriously doubt"
I know I know I know !!!
The Bible says the Elect will indeed rule with Christ. The question is, with all the bad people being in hell, who are the Elect going to rule over? St. Thomas Aquinas, way back, said that one of the joys of heaven was to be able to look over the edge of the "Abyss" and watch the sinners all burning forever in the lake of fire. Sounds a bit sadistic, don't you think?
Fact is, both Paul and John the Revelator were talking about their own times. And the Great Whore was Rome, not the Catholic Church. If you truly understand the scriptures, it comes down to this:
You are either predestined for heaven or for hell. You have no say in the matter. Your fate was sealed from the foundation of the universe. One hundred and thirty-three verses in the New Testament support this view. Those who claim we choose salvation are misled. Free will seems to be supported in the NT but only by about 23 verses, all of which can be reconciled to the Predestination Doctrine. It won't work the other way around.
So get used to it, Christian. You may not actually be saved. Many are called and few have been chosen.
(For those of you who scoff at what I have just written, I am backed up by the most important early Christian apologists like St. Augustine and Origen and Tertullian, not to mention John Calvin and a host of others. Free will is NOT Biblical.)
RichardSpeaks wrote:
The Bible says the Elect will indeed rule with Christ. The question is, with all the bad people being in hell, who are the Elect going to rule over? St. Thomas Aquinas, way back, said that one of the joys of heaven was to be able to look over the edge of the "Abyss" and watch the sinners all burning forever in the lake of fire. Sounds a bit sadistic, don't you think?
Fact is, both Paul and John the Revelator were talking about their own times. And the Great Whore was Rome, not the Catholic Church. If you truly understand the scriptures, it comes down to this:
You are either predestined for heaven or for hell. You have no say in the matter. Your fate was sealed from the foundation of the universe. One hundred and thirty-three verses in the New Testament support this view. Those who claim we choose salvation are misled. Free will seems to be supported in the NT but only by about 23 verses, all of which can be reconciled to the Predestination Doctrine. It won't work the other way around.
So get used to it, Christian. You may not actually be saved. Many are called and few have been chosen.
(For those of you who scoff at what I have just written, I am backed up by the most important early Christian apologists like St. Augustine and Origen and Tertullian, not to mention John Calvin and a host of others. Free will is NOT Biblical.)
So you never said what you must do.
And so there is no "IF" involved ?
LEFT HAND OF GOD wrote:
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Become the Messiah ![]()
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LEFT HAND OF GOD wrote:
RichardSpeaks wrote:
The Bible says the Elect will indeed rule with Christ. The question is, with all the bad people being in hell, who are the Elect going to rule over? St. Thomas Aquinas, way back, said that one of the joys of heaven was to be able to look over the edge of the "Abyss" and watch the sinners all burning forever in the lake of fire. Sounds a bit sadistic, don't you think?
Fact is, both Paul and John the Revelator were talking about their own times. And the Great Whore was Rome, not the Catholic Church. If you truly understand the scriptures, it comes down to this:
You are either predestined for heaven or for hell. You have no say in the matter. Your fate was sealed from the foundation of the universe. One hundred and thirty-three verses in the New Testament support this view. Those who claim we choose salvation are misled. Free will seems to be supported in the NT but only by about 23 verses, all of which can be reconciled to the Predestination Doctrine. It won't work the other way around.
So get used to it, Christian. You may not actually be saved. Many are called and few have been chosen.
(For those of you who scoff at what I have just written, I am backed up by the most important early Christian apologists like St. Augustine and Origen and Tertullian, not to mention John Calvin and a host of others. Free will is NOT Biblical.)So you never said what you must do.
And so there is no "IF" involved ?
Um ... okay ... so what you are saying is you are preselected at birth, right?
If that's so, and you can't change it ... then why read the Bible and learn about Christ. After all, if you are predestined to go to Hell, then it's years waisted in learning ... and if you are predestined to go to Heaven, then again, it's years waisted in reading.
This seems to say one can sin ... as you are chosen at birth or you will never be chosen. Once chosen, you could sin as you already have a spot in Heaven. If you aren't, then you can know that you can enjoy what time you have on Earth.
And this brings about another issue ... preaching. Why spout off verse after verse if this is all predetermined? Predetermined means nothing changes what will occur, so converting people to Christ offers no difference in one's path.
I truly hope I have misunderstood the 'predetermined' part, as it pretty much is a train wreck to Christianity, deeming the whole religion is needless, as those who have been chosen to go to Heaven were picked at birth, with nothing to be done that could change our paths.
I found this answer.
You have heard me teach many things that have been confirmed by many reliable witnesses. Teach these great truths to trustworthy people who are able to pass them on to others.
Endure suffering along with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
And as Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you in his army.
Follow the Lord's rules for doing his work, just as an athlete either follows the rules or is disqualified and wins no prize.
Hardworking farmers are the first to enjoy the fruit of their labor.
Think about what I am saying. The Lord will give you understanding in all these things.
Never forget that Jesus Christ was a man born into King David's family and that he was raised from the dead. This is the Good News I preach.
And because I preach this Good News, I am suffering and have been chained like a criminal. But the word of God cannot be chained.
I am willing to endure anything if it will bring salvation and eternal glory in Christ Jesus to those God has chosen.
This is a true saying: If we die with him, we will also live with him.
If we endure, we will reign with him. If we deny him, he will deny us.
Seems like "IF" is a very, very, BIG DEAL and NOBODY is a "shoe-in"

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