ABSOLUTES ? Are there any ?
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marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
How absolute is anything when everything we perceive is seen upside down before being flipped?
The Marine has absolutely left the building because he absolutely can't answer.
The question was for you.
You refuse to say if there are any absolutes because you would have to admit you are wrong and I have noticed one thing about you.
If you find that you are being cornered, you just refuse to answer a direct question in order to not admit you are wrong.
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quietnessandtrust wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
The Marine has absolutely left the building because he absolutely can't answer.The question was for you.
You refuse to say if there are any absolutes because you would have to admit you are wrong and I have noticed one thing about you.
If you find that you are being cornered, you just refuse to answer a direct question in order to not admit you are wrong.I am only mocking what you do to protect your faith. Are you getting psycological? I didn't know you had it in you. Keep studying. I can't conversate with a person that isn't honest with themselves. You have constantly lied.
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marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
The question was for you.You refuse to say if there are any absolutes because you would have to admit you are wrong and I have noticed one thing about you.
If you find that you are being cornered, you just refuse to answer a direct question in order to not admit you are wrong.I am only mocking what you do to protect your faith. Are you getting psycological? I didn't know you had it in you. Keep studying. I can't conversate with a person that isn't honest with themselves. You have constantly lied.
I know plenty about psychology and big deal.
You still won't answer.
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quietnessandtrust wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
You refuse to say if there are any absolutes because you would have to admit you are wrong and I have noticed one thing about you.
If you find that you are being cornered, you just refuse to answer a direct question in order to not admit you are wrong.I am only mocking what you do to protect your faith. Are you getting psycological? I didn't know you had it in you. Keep studying. I can't conversate with a person that isn't honest with themselves. You have constantly lied.
I know plenty about psychology and big deal.
You still won't answer. Be honest with yourself and I will hold a serious conversation.
No, nothing in my belief is absolute. uhh, um, I can urinate with an erection (never empties the whole bladder though - kinda takes shifts)
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marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
I am only mocking what you do to protect your faith. Are you getting psycological? I didn't know you had it in you. Keep studying. I can't conversate with a person that isn't honest with themselves. You have constantly lied.I know plenty about psychology and big deal.
You still won't answer. Be honest with yourself and I will hold a serious conversation.
No, nothing in my belief is absolute.Well then you absolutely know nothing about anything absolute.
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quietnessandtrust wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
I know plenty about psychology and big deal.
You still won't answer. Be honest with yourself and I will hold a serious conversation.
No, nothing in my belief is absolute.Well then you absolutely know nothing about anything absolute.
When you get to the end of your life you will still be saying "I know nothing"I will probably say that until I die and finally know. Unlike yourself that is content with a set belief, I don't make assumptions to what I don't know.
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ABSOLUTES ? Are there any ?
Absolutely not !
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tantrum wrote:
ABSOLUTES ? Are there any ?
Absolutely not !Absolutely not is a contradiction as it is absolute.
The correct term should be absolutely maybe! - 85
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tantrum wrote:
ABSOLUTES ? Are there any ?
Absolutely not !So you read all the posts in here and all the absolutes are incorrect?
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marinealways24 wrote:
tantrum wrote:
ABSOLUTES ? Are there any ?
Absolutely not !Absolutely not is a contradiction as it is absolute.
The correct term should be absolutely maybe!I like contradictions! that was meant to be
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I absolutely believe that one day I will die.....or will I?
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tantrum wrote:
marinealways24 wrote:
tantrum wrote:
ABSOLUTES ? Are there any ?
Absolutely not !Absolutely not is a contradiction as it is absolute.
The correct term should be absolutely maybe!I like contradictions! that was meant to be
Nice, in that case, touche.
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Scott.Life wrote:
I absolutely believe that one day I will die.....or will I?
That is debatable. They could freeze you to where you never die. Dying could be an illusion.
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There are no abolutes (within a certain context of philosophy) but yes, you are right.
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quietnessandtrust wrote:
It appears that some in these forums absolutely believe that there are no absolutes.
So in order to clear up the matter I thought I would present some and start with the body.
1- A male cannot urinate while having a total erection.
2- A female cannot be pregnant and conceive again while so.
3- One cannot blow their nose and swallow at the same time.
4- Humans cannot breath underwater without an air supply.
5- One cannot stand up and lie down at the same time.
Feel free to add to the list so as to clear up the matter further.
***DISCLAIMER...I could be absolutely incorrect********"NO" Absolutes exist unless you believe they do.******
That is absolute. Prove it wrong. 
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marinealways24 wrote:
quietnessandtrust wrote:
It appears that some in these forums absolutely believe that there are no absolutes.
So in order to clear up the matter I thought I would present some and start with the body.
1- A male cannot urinate while having a total erection.
2- A female cannot be pregnant and conceive again while so.
3- One cannot blow their nose and swallow at the same time.
4- Humans cannot breath underwater without an air supply.
5- One cannot stand up and lie down at the same time.
Feel free to add to the list so as to clear up the matter further.
***DISCLAIMER...I could be absolutely incorrect********"NO" Absolutes exist unless you believe they do.******
That is absolute. Prove it wrong.Actually number 2 is wrong. Recently in the news there was a woman that was pregnat twice. The embryos were 2 weeks apart and the hope was that the younger one would catch up in development. I do believ though she had been taking fdertility drugs.
All those things you posted "may" indeed be true (when proven). And when proven, they are universal truth because they universally apply to the domain of humans. But certainly NONE of them are absolute truth. They are relative to a domain - therefore impossible to be absolute!
An absolute is something that has always been, and will always be the case, forever and ever amen. An absolute truth is eternal and “must be true under every possible circumstance". It certainly is a possible circumstance that language did not exist, or that mind did not exist, or that logic or the word truth did not exist at some point in time. Prior to the earth existing, it is a possible circumstance that no truths existed at all, let alone an absolute truth, since an absolute truth must be true forever.
But nothing can be true before it is proven, or when no language or mind existed. Truth requires a proof preceding the conclusion. You can't assert a truth without a proof. There cannot be absolute truth because there is no system or context that could show its truth.
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Whether or not absolutes can be proven, they may still exist. To assume that absolutes do not exist is a mistake, here is why:
Quite simple, absolutes MAY exist. If they do, giving an example of an absolute and discussing the matter then becomes word play. If there is the existence of absolutes, there is no proof but that lack of proof does not prove the case otherwise. Make it about science or logic if you feel the need but it is what it is. Language is incapable of proving the absolute one way or the other. Of course, that last statement, like others, could be misinterpreted as an absolute but it is not, simply by the fact I cannot provide proof of it, the clause exists within the statement.
Negative truth fallacy: that, because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true; or that, because a premise cannot be proven true, the premise must be false. Bovine Currency wrote:
Whether or not INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS can be proven, they may still exist. To assume that INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS do not exist is a mistake, here is why:
Quite simple, INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS MAY exist. If they do, giving an example of an INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS and discussing the matter then becomes word play. If there is the existence of INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS, there is no proof but that lack of proof does not prove the case otherwise. Make it about science or logic if you feel the need but it is what it is. Language is incapable of proving the INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS one way or the other. Of course, that last statement, like others, could be misinterpreted as an absolute but it is not, simply by the fact I cannot provide proof of it, the clause exists within the statement.
Negative truth fallacy: that, because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true; or that, because a premise cannot be proven true, the premise must be false.Bovine, I substituted "absolute" with "INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS" to illustrate that with your line of reasoning, anybody can invent any wild imaginative nonsense. And your response would be: we cannot dispute it as it may exist.
This is simply false. We can not only dispute it, but there is a possibility that we can prove that assertion is not the case by simply showing something contradictory about it.
Absolute truth has nothing to do with science. Absolute truth is a truth is true for every possible circumstance. It was eternally true forever in the past, and will be eternally true forever in the future. That's what makes is ABSOLUTE.
Absolute truth is a truth concept whose validity falls under the domain of classical logic. We can EASILY prove there is no absolute truth as follows:
1) Absolute truth is a claim for an eternal, unchanging truth that is true for every possible circumstance.
2) Truth itself is a concept (of the mind/brain) that is applied to propositional statements that are verified to be true or false.
3) Truth can only be verified via a mind to determine true or false.
4) Truth is not an object, does not exist without a mind, and hence impossible to be eternal.
5) Anything "eternal" cannot be proven to be the case because eternity does not exist in order to deduce from.
6) Truth is bound within the domain of concepts, and hence impossible to be eternal.
7) Words like “eternal” and “absolute” have meanings that are boundless and not limited to any domain. Any attempt to apply truth to these words cannot be bound within a system of truth, and hence cannot be qualified as truth; only belief.
8) Truth can change when an event alters the state of affairs of a proposition (i.e. a blue car is painted red).
So, if absolute truth is outside the domain of validation, and there are no minds, and is impossible to be eternal, and it can indeed change, then what makes it absolute?
Therefore, as per the above contradictions for absolute truth, there is no absolute truth. Absolute truth is IMPOSSIBLE.
But what is possible, is that somebody can BELIEVE that absolute truth exists somewhere in the deep caves of the universe. Sure, people are free to believe what they want. It only makes it true when they can prove it.
Absolute truth is the hallmark of church logic and religious fanatics who use it as a tool to drill their dangerous dogma into our brains. Dangerous stuff.
Thanks for the response.
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