Does Obama deserves Nobel prize
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jiberish wrote:
Like I said in another forum; Congratulations Mr. President, I'm sure Mother Theresa would be happy for you. This is all I will say!
Yeah, I know. Seriously what has he done to merit such an award?
I do support Obama, whereas I don't think you do if I'm correct, though I concur exactly to your the message of your post- what "greatness" has he done? Really- I think someone else was far more well suited than he was.
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Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?
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Star Witness wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?Just wondering why you had to go there?
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jiberish wrote:
Star Witness wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?Just wondering why you had to go there?
I am interested and respect RK's perspective very much.
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RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?
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SirDent wrote:
He was given the p[rize for promises made. No significant actions have been made by him in regards to foreign policy. Obama quoted, "This award is a call to action." Action is one thing Obama has been lacking so far. Speeches are easy to come by.
I likewise support Obama in that he is our president, but I also believe it to be way premature for anything like this.Obama pretty much sums up the idea behind "If you can't wow them with facts, dazzle them with bull****". Even the Nobel Committee is blinded by the BS, but then again, given who they've awarded the prize too recently....well it shows they're more interested in supporting contemporary political positions rather than honoring men and women of peace for the ages.
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I wish the they hadn't done that. President OBama knows he hasn't done anything to deserve that kind of award. This will just cause him more trouble.
I am a big supporter of President OBama. He has created a better climate for things to get done internationally but he hasn't gotten anything done yet and he knows that.
As much as I am a supporter I do believe it is time for him to speak with actions and not words. Traveling around making speaches will not get things done and it won't change minds. Results is what we need now and I still believe he can give us the results we need.
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IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?Ghandi!
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Star Witness wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?What's wrong with "merit bias"? George Washington Carver, the Tuskegee Airmen, the Buffalo Soldiers, all had to be better than the standard because there were dimbulbs out there who though they weren't good enough. Well the were not only good enough, they were superior to the standard. Why should any minority feel any kind of a merit bias with examples like that? If anything it's a reinforcement of the idea that all men are created equal and are endowed with the Creator certain inalienable rights. By allowing people to exercise these rights, we get superior results.
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IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?IE, the fact that is still no peace in Washington alone should have discounted him. If he cannot get his own people to come to terms, how in the hell does the Noble Peace Prize committee expect him to live up to the terms they have now set upon his shoulders.
I mean look at LEF here on the forum, he is using words like BS instead of stating cold hard facts. The fact that LEF- has now summed up Obama's politics as bullshit- tells me alone he has not accomplished peace.
It was WAY to premature.
It is only going make the Christian zealots believe more in their ideas that he is the "antiChrist", and it's only going to get fans of Glen Beck and Rush more smack to talk about.
Zero good is going to come of this. At least my narrow mind can not see it. - 93
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RKHenry wrote:
IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?IE, the fact that is still no peace in Washington alone should have discounted him. If he cannot get his own people to come to terms, how in the hell does the Noble Peace Prize committee expect him to live up to the terms they have now set upon his shoulders.
I mean look at LEF here on the forum, he is using words like BS instead of stating cold hard facts. The fact that LEF- has now summed up Obama's politics as bullshit- tells me alone he has not accomplished peace.
It was WAY to premature.
It is only going make the Christian zealots believe more in their ideas that he is the "antiChrist", and it's only going to get fans of Glen Beck and Rush more smack to talk about.
Zero good is going to come of this. At least my narrow mind can not see it.Well we will then agree to differ. Congratulations on your 100 the other day. That's really great RK. Have a nice weekend. You home now?
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RKHenry wrote:
IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?IE, the fact that is still no peace in Washington alone should have discounted him. If he cannot get his own people to come to terms, how in the hell does the Noble Peace Prize committee expect him to live up to the terms they have now set upon his shoulders.
I mean look at LEF here on the forum, he is using words like BS instead of stating cold hard facts. The fact that LEF- has now summed up Obama's politics as bullshit- tells me alone he has not accomplished peace.
It was WAY to premature.
It is only going make the Christian zealots believe more in their ideas that he is the "antiChrist", and it's only going to get fans of Glen Beck and Rush more smack to talk about.
Zero good is going to come of this. At least my narrow mind can not see it.The Glenn Beck and Limbaugh + religionist zealots make up approximately 2% of the US population. They are vocal, and obvious, and predominate here lately. But they are far from the norm.
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IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry wrote:
IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?IE, the fact that is still no peace in Washington alone should have discounted him. If he cannot get his own people to come to terms, how in the hell does the Noble Peace Prize committee expect him to live up to the terms they have now set upon his shoulders.
I mean look at LEF here on the forum, he is using words like BS instead of stating cold hard facts. The fact that LEF- has now summed up Obama's politics as bullshit- tells me alone he has not accomplished peace.
It was WAY to premature.
It is only going make the Christian zealots believe more in their ideas that he is the "antiChrist", and it's only going to get fans of Glen Beck and Rush more smack to talk about.
Zero good is going to come of this. At least my narrow mind can not see it.Well we will then agree to differ. Congratulations on your 100 the other day. That's really great RK. Have a nice weekend. You home now?
Yeah, thanks turd for the forum post thread. I'm home. Obama does not deserve the award, I will agree to differ with you on this, and you too have a nice weekend. Why aren't you studying anyways? "Bad" girl.
atomswifey wrote:
Yeah real nice there, except for one problem...
There were over 300,000 people who lost jobs here last month! And thats just a recent number on top of the ones who had already lost jobs which were in the hundreds of thousands. He doesn't seem to mind giving this state more in food stamp benefits but has no real plan as he had promised for helping the state in creating jobs! Again, LIKE HE PROMISED.
So no, I will not sing the praises of Obama!
He's a liar plain and simple and in no way shape or form deserved this award!I'm not sure why you think creating jobs in Michigan or not has anything to do with the Nobel Prize. According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.
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IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?Ghandi!
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Hehe - LDT, RK, IntimatEvolution. A long time since I saw you all gathered in one place. This should be a good debate.
On the one hand, I do believe that Obama is a breath of fresh air in terms of international relations. We are part of the Middle East here, and the last administration did little to make us feel safer.
However, I tend to agree with RK and Pete on this one - it seems like they have attempted to make a political statement and it could backfire, badly.- 97
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Star Witness wrote:
jiberish wrote:
Star Witness wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?Just wondering why you had to go there?
I am interested and respect RK's perspective very much.
I don't know if color has play, and if my own reflections of my brotherhood is being reflected or not. I really don't know. However, this I do know, no matter the who, race, black or not- what real greatness has he done, besides allowing IE to sleep better at night?
For me the man is great, but that doesn't mean his work of art represents greatness.
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Star Witness wrote:
RKHenry wrote:
IntimatEvolution wrote:
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?IE, the fact that is still no peace in Washington alone should have discounted him. If he cannot get his own people to come to terms, how in the hell does the Noble Peace Prize committee expect him to live up to the terms they have now set upon his shoulders.
I mean look at LEF here on the forum, he is using words like BS instead of stating cold hard facts. The fact that LEF- has now summed up Obama's politics as bullshit- tells me alone he has not accomplished peace.
It was WAY to premature.
It is only going make the Christian zealots believe more in their ideas that he is the "antiChrist", and it's only going to get fans of Glen Beck and Rush more smack to talk about.
Zero good is going to come of this. At least my narrow mind can not see it.The Glenn Beck and Limbaugh + religionist zealots make up approximately 2% of the US population. They are vocal, and obvious, and predominate here lately. But they are far from the norm.
So you say, but I feel that measure inspectorate.
RKHenry wrote:
What has he done in comparison to the likes of Nelson Mandela and the Dalhi Lama?
I thought it was too premature. I would like to know who the other candidates were. Anybody know?One of the other candidates, Greg Mortensen, built girls' schools in Afghanistan.
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ledefensetech wrote:
Star Witness wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?What's wrong with "merit bias"? George Washington Carver, the Tuskegee Airmen, the Buffalo Soldiers, all had to be better than the standard because there were dimbulbs out there who though they weren't good enough. Well the were not only good enough, they were superior to the standard. Why should any minority feel any kind of a merit bias with examples like that? If anything it's a reinforcement of the idea that all men are created equal and are endowed with the Creator certain inalienable rights. By allowing people to exercise these rights, we get superior results.
haha, yeah. I understand merit bias, LDT...and that work principle. And sometimes it DOES produce superior results and achievements. That doesn't change the psychological approach of those looking at others they find similarities with. ie, they may never "see" the actual merit.
This may...or may not apply here. Just asked the question.
