Who Authorised the Change of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday
89- glendoncaba
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I have sought to avoid topics which are potentially divisive within the Christian community here on HubPages. I prefer to disagree politely on minor issues and leave major issues for interpersonal and group studies.
However my Roman Catholic fellow hubber Mike, has been accusing me of slander and forked tongue because I have been posting links to study sites while trying to maintain the peace here.
The plain truth is we prefer to do a study than argue, because nothing much ever comes form a religious argument.
If at any point in the following discussion I see it deteriorating I will discontinue my participation. This topic will reveal new and startling information to readers, but i beg you to understand that we dont hate Catholics. I repeat, we dont hate Catholics. Among the Roman Catholics you will find some of the best and most sincere Christians ever to walk the planet.
In this thread it will be clearly demonstrated that there is no scriptural authority for the change of the Sabbath, and leading spokesmen of the Roman Catholic church have admitted that the church by her own authority has transferred the sacredness to a different day.
Here is the statement from Mike that we shall address:
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Sunday has been the new Sabbath since Jesus Christ's resurrection which was on a Sunday the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19).
Acts 20:7 "And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight."
The first day of the week is Sunday.
1 Cor. 16:2 "On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made."
Again Sunday.
Col. 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths,"
He means with regard to the Jewish observations of the distinction of clean and unclean meats; and of their festivals, new moons, and sabbaths, as being no longer obligatory.
Besides the above there are more. God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath in Isaiah 1:13.
Isaias 1:13 "Offer sacrifice no more in vain: incense is an abomination to me. The new moons, and the sabbaths, and other festivals I will not abide, your assemblies are wicked."
Basically the whole chapter of Hebrews 4 but I'll just post 4 verses here. Regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath.
Hebrews 4 "6 Seeing then it remaineth that some are to enter into it, and they, to whom it was first preached, did not enter because of unbelief: 7 Again he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time, as it is above said: Today if you shall hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, the same also hath rested from his works, as God did from his."
When there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well, as we see in Hebrews 7:12. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.
Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being translated, it is necessary that a translation also be made of the law."
John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ, as we see in Revelation 1:10.
Revelation 1:10 "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"
Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18 both mention whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven.
And finally the verse that also entirely refutes sola scriptura (by scripture alone). The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
2 Thessalonians 2:14 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
The above verses are taken as usual from the Douay-Rheims Bible. These verses are also in the King James Bible. And they should be in your Bible as well Glendon, unless it has been changed.
So there's your Biblical challenge Glendon.
Challenge the God given authority of the apostles to change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
I am not looking for another frothy mouthed diatribe or a copy and paste commentary, just your Biblical refutation of the apostle's God given authority.
I will understand if you conveniently avoid this post again cause as I have said it is basically the death knell to all denominations which are distinguished by their observance of Saturday as the Lord's Day. But hear me Glendon, if you can not challenge the God given authority of the apostles it will end all friendly dialogue between the two of us, simply because it will mean that your 7th Day Adventist denomination is not just anti-Catholic but it is also an attack against God. I would recognize it also as an attack against God because your 7th Day Adventist denomination does not recognize God's given authority to the apostles or believe that Jesus Christ left His Holy Ghost to guide His Church.
This Biblical challenge also goes out to anyone that is a member of a denomination that distinguishes itself by observance of Saturday as the Lord's Day.
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Well, to answer this question- Who Authorized the Change of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
The same people who built their house upon a hill of sand.
Man - made religious order - yet you follow blindly.
Man - made "god" mystic myth - therefore.
It is man who can change the day.
Just the fact- that man can change that day, should tell you something about it, in itself.
Have a great day.Emperor Constantine
The first two (Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor 16:2)don't seem to have anything to do with the sabbath, all it shows is that they HAD a first day of the week. Nothing about it being the day of rest. They met together daily to "break bread" and hear the word after all, the fact that Paul was preparing to leave meant they got together with him before seeing him off.
Colossians 2:16 is directed to Gentiles, they weren't keeping the feasts and sabbaths of YHWH in the first place. Maybe this means they've STARTED doing so and are told to not let anyone judge them for it but the body of Christ.
The verse in Isaiah doesn't show God's displeasure with the sabbath or the festivals, what a weird way to take it! It definitely shows YHWH's displeasure with the way they're keeping them - wicked hearts then a great show of piety that's totally hypocritical. Otherwise you're saying that God suddenly said, "That sabbath and those feasts I commanded you to keep? They're evil and horrible, how dare you listen to me by keeping them like I said!" Doesn't make sense.
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glendoncaba wrote:
In this thread it will be clearly demonstrated that there is no scriptural authority for the change of the Sabbath, and leading spokesmen of the Roman Catholic church have admitted that the church by her own authority has transferred the sacredness to a different day.The scriptural God given authority for the apostles to change the Lord's Day to Sunday are listed above. For your 7th Day Adventists denomination to try to change the Lord's Day from Sunday back to Saturday 2,000 years later can only be accomplished by completely avoiding the scriptural verses above or reading them wrong.
By the leading spokesmen of the Roman Catholic Church saying that the Church by her own authority has transferred the sacredness of the Lord's Day to Sunday they are saying that the original apostles were the start of Jesus Christ's universal Catholic Church, you know, the one and only apostolic Church.
To not accept God's given authority to the apostles is akin to not accepting God.
And it is refusal to believe Jesus Christ who said that He would send His Holy Ghost to guide His Church.
If by saying study sites you are referring to that frothy mouth diatribe that is akin to the fictitious slanderous zeitgeist movie, that basically attacks the entire Christian world then I will discontinue my participation in this forum myself.
Glendon try to just refute the scriptural verses above that clearly show God's given authority to the apostles to make Sunday the Lord's Day.
That is your Biblical challenge.
More frothy mouthed diatribes or copy and paste commentaries won't do if you can't address the scriptural verses above.
I will check back in a couple of days to see if anyone has discernment from the Holy Ghost to properly read the above verses.
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Cagsil wrote:
Well, to answer this question- Who Authorized the Change of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
The same people who built their house upon a hill of sand.
Man - made religious order - yet you follow blindly.
Man - made "god" mystic myth - therefore.
It is man who can change the day.
Just the fact- that man can change that day, should tell you something about it, in itself.
Have a great day.Hi, why don't you let me know some atheist forum that I can also waste some time on.... you may have missed the fact that this is a CHRISTIAN forum, for CHRISTIANS.... now you are welcome to join the faith, but please don't waste your time peddling your satanic atheists nonsense here.
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aguasilver wrote:
Cagsil wrote:
Well, to answer this question- Who Authorized the Change of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
The same people who built their house upon a hill of sand.
Man - made religious order - yet you follow blindly.
Man - made "god" mystic myth - therefore.
It is man who can change the day.
Just the fact- that man can change that day, should tell you something about it, in itself.
Have a great day.Hi, why don't you let me know some atheist forum that I can also waste some time on.... you may have missed the fact that this is a CHRISTIAN forum, for CHRISTIANS.... now you are welcome to join the faith, but please don't waste your time peddling your satanic atheists nonsense here.
Oh ! So I can't join ?
Tantrum
you look like Mrs Spock !
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zampano wrote:
Tantrum
you look like Mrs Spock !
heheheIs that acompliment ?
just in case you don't know
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/24850 Elisinha.
Eu gosto muito de você. E não só eu.
Fique sempre aqui falando comnosco. Tá ?
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tantrum wrote:
aguasilver wrote:
Cagsil wrote:
Well, to answer this question- Who Authorized the Change of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
The same people who built their house upon a hill of sand.
Man - made religious order - yet you follow blindly.
Man - made "god" mystic myth - therefore.
It is man who can change the day.
Just the fact- that man can change that day, should tell you something about it, in itself.
Have a great day.Hi, why don't you let me know some atheist forum that I can also waste some time on.... you may have missed the fact that this is a CHRISTIAN forum, for CHRISTIANS.... now you are welcome to join the faith, but please don't waste your time peddling your satanic atheists nonsense here.
Oh ! So I can't join ?
Sure you can join, your my new best friend!
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aguasilver wrote:
tantrum wrote:
aguasilver wrote:
Hi, why don't you let me know some atheist forum that I can also waste some time on.... you may have missed the fact that this is a CHRISTIAN forum, for CHRISTIANS.... now you are welcome to join the faith, but please don't waste your time peddling your satanic atheists nonsense here.Oh ! So I can't join ?
Sure you can join, your my new best friend!
I just dislike Cagsil's factitious response, which was completely off subject..... If you or any other has anything to say that is relevant to the debate, go for it!
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zampano wrote:
Elisinha.
Eu gosto muito de você. E não só eu.
Fique sempre aqui falando comnosco. Tá ?
(I read the topic)Ta. muito obrigada. !
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aguasilver wrote:
tantrum wrote:
aguasilver wrote:
Hi, why don't you let me know some atheist forum that I can also waste some time on.... you may have missed the fact that this is a CHRISTIAN forum, for CHRISTIANS.... now you are welcome to join the faith, but please don't waste your time peddling your satanic atheists nonsense here.Oh ! So I can't join ?
Sure you can join, your my new best friend!
Thanks aquasilver, . Maybe later I'll join. Now I'm tired
What I was taught was that Shabbat is for Jews to keep and is not required of non-Jews at all, so for non-Jewish Christians to argue about who changed the Sabbath day seems a little ridiculous to me. What next? Are we going to argue about whether or not anyone changed the day of Yom Kippur?
The fact remains that Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday. Believers Jewish and otherwise wished to commemorate that, so Sunday became the Lord's Day. However, Shabbat was never changed.It matters to anyone who still keeps the sabbath like Jesus. I disagree with changing it to Sunday since scripture says the antichrist is who or what will take it upon 'himself' to change the days and times and seasons.
I'm more convinced by the people who say there is no special day of worship since we are to live our every life as fully devoted to I AM. However, we can't refrain from work every day of our lives!
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Keeping the Sabbath and gathering together to teach and study Gods words are two entirely different things. Any one can go to church any day that they choose. To go to Church in no way fulfills the definition of keeping the Sabbath. It is something that also can be done on the Sabbath or any other day.
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aguasilver wrote:
Cagsil wrote:
Well, to answer this question- Who Authorized the Change of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
The same people who built their house upon a hill of sand.
Man - made religious order - yet you follow blindly.
Man - made "god" mystic myth - therefore.
It is man who can change the day.
Just the fact- that man can change that day, should tell you something about it, in itself.
Have a great day.Hi, why don't you let me know some atheist forum that I can also waste some time on.... you may have missed the fact that this is a CHRISTIAN forum, for CHRISTIANS.... now you are welcome to join the faith, but please don't waste your time peddling your satanic atheists nonsense here.
Thanks for letting me know that it is a christian forum.
And, for your information comments can be left by anyone. Since you are talking RELIGION- it is irrelevant what religion.
Since you service your master daily, I suggest you go back to servicing HIM like all others. And, not make ridiculous assumptions about what religious faith.
Atheists? Is a religion, just like yours is, but since I have NO religion whatsoever, because I believe in WHAT IS REAL and you can't handle that.....I guess you have a better problem than I do.
How ever, I'll leave you in what you think is called peace.
Have a nice day with your illusions of grandure. 
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The Sabbath day has never been changed to my knowledge. It still is from Friday evening to Saturday evening if I recall correctly.
Sunday is called "The Lord's Day" if I am not mistaken. I also recall from reading the New Testament, that the disciples went into the temple on a pretty much daily basis.
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SirDent wrote:
The Sabbath day has never been changed to my knowledge. It still is from Friday evening to Saturday evening if I recall correctly.
Sunday is called "The Lord's Day" if I am not mistaken. I also recall from reading the New Testament, that the disciples went into the temple on a pretty much daily basis.I agree,
Jon
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