Why are Democrats rushing on Healthcare Reform???
On Yahoo today, they said the Democrats are "scrambling" to get votes to back the public healthcare plan: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091023/ap_ … e_overhaul
Can someone please tell me why this issue has been a "rush" to get done??
I feel like the Democrats are just trying to hurry and push this through without going through every detail thoroughly. I've even read Congress is against putting up the final version of the Bill 48 hours online before the vote.
I like the public option and I'm glad they are reconsidering it but I don't want a rushed bill voted on in a hurry, just to get it passed. Because who will pay if things weren't properly thought out? Taxpayers.
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I also like the idea of a public option. It does seem like it is important enough to actually take a bit of time on it tho. I am not sure what valid reason there could be for rushing it. I wonder if its the speed that is upsetting so many people. It can take some of us a while to get our heads around an idea and giving the public that time could be a greater benefit then rushing it.
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I also like the idea of a public option. It does seem like it is important enough to actually take a bit of time on it tho. I am not sure what valid reason there could be for rushing it. I wonder if its the speed that is upsetting so many people. It can take some of us a while to get our heads around an idea and giving the public that time could be a greater benefit then rushing it.
Yeah, I think it is the "rushing" that is scaring most people. Or that they feel uninformed.
I seriously want Ross Perot to pay for a 30-minute infomercial and bust out his charts and explain this thing to me in detail...haha.
Obama is so good with speeches, yet, he has failed to go over this plan thoroughly with people. Granted, it's still being put together but I don't even think the common person (including myself) knows the basics of it.
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They're rushing it through because if anyone really looks at it it won't get passed!
Everything about this process is a game of deception.
First there's the cost, 900 billion. They needed to get it under 1 trillion to get people to vote for it!
The deception here is the cost is over ten years, but for the first 5 years there are no benefits, just the collection of money!! So the actual cost of this bill is 900 billion over 5 years!
Oh and the other deception, they extracted the medicare payments to doctors (200 billion) and put that in a separate bill!!! Otherwise this one would have been 1.1 trillion!!
Now why would you want a "public option"? Why would you want the government to get into the insurance business?Poppa Blues wrote:
They're rushing it through because if anyone really looks at it it won't get passed!
Everything about this process is a game of deception.
First there's the cost, 900 billion. They needed to get it under 1 trillion to get people to vote for it!
The deception here is the cost is over ten years, but for the first 5 years there are no benefits, just the collection of money!! So the actual cost of this bill is 900 billion over 5 years!
Oh and the other deception, they extracted the medicare payments to doctors (200 billion) and put that in a separate bill!!! Otherwise this one would have been 1.1 trillion!!
Now why would you want a "public option"? Why would you want the government to get into the insurance business?Well, thats what I mean. I need to take a class on this plan just to understand it.
I think options are good for people.
But what I would prefer is a UNIVERSAL system like Europe and I'll gladly pay more taxes for it.
But, again, I need to see details of everything.- 90
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TimTurner wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
They're rushing it through because if anyone really looks at it it won't get passed!
Everything about this process is a game of deception.
First there's the cost, 900 billion. They needed to get it under 1 trillion to get people to vote for it!
The deception here is the cost is over ten years, but for the first 5 years there are no benefits, just the collection of money!! So the actual cost of this bill is 900 billion over 5 years!
Oh and the other deception, they extracted the medicare payments to doctors (200 billion) and put that in a separate bill!!! Otherwise this one would have been 1.1 trillion!!
Now why would you want a "public option"? Why would you want the government to get into the insurance business?Well, thats what I mean. I need to take a class on this plan just to understand it.
I think options are good for people.
But what I would prefer is a UNIVERSAL system like Europe and I'll gladly pay more taxes for it.
But, again, I need to see details of everything.Well good luck with that! The bill is over 1500 pages right now of legal mumbo jumbo! You should take a look at it I think you'll be shocked at just what they are trying to do! And after all this there will still be 20 million uninsured!
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TimTurner wrote:
I think options are good for people.
But what I would prefer is a UNIVERSAL system like Europe and I'll gladly pay more taxes for it.It would have been nice to have conservatives acknowledge the reality that universal coverage can cost a lot less, cover everyone, and have better outcomes. You're the first I've ever seen that's done that.
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TimTurner wrote:
I think options are good for people.
But what I would prefer is a UNIVERSAL system like Europe and I'll gladly pay more taxes for it.It would have been nice to have conservatives acknowledge the reality that universal coverage can cost a lot less, cover everyone, and have better outcomes. You're the first I've ever seen that's done that.
Thank you
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I'm not sure there is quite so much of a rush when the concept of reform has been around for ages.
Its not like the idea came up yesterday and they want to pass it today.
I remain intrigued by how afraid many Americans are of health care reform. Will it make your life so bad? You don't think it will make you a communist do you?
How communist is Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom?
They have all been doing it for years and yet they survive. Wow- 90
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livelonger wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
I think options are good for people.
But what I would prefer is a UNIVERSAL system like Europe and I'll gladly pay more taxes for it.It would have been nice to have conservatives acknowledge the reality that universal coverage can cost a lot less, cover everyone, and have better outcomes. You're the first I've ever seen that's done that.
You don't get something for nothing! Europe controls the cost by limiting care, it's that simple. In any market it's suplly and demand that drives pricing. Health care costs run higher here because the people that are using it aren't paying for it, if they were, they wouldn't use it as much and the costs would be lower.
These bills for universal care do nothing to lower the cost. The hope is, and it is just a hope, that by having a public option, insurance companies will lower their costs. They won't because they can't. As it stands the big HMOs only had a profit less than 4%. Microsoft had a 24% profit to put this in perspective. If they were to reduce this to 2% or 1% what would the "public option" pricing be 1 to 2% lower?
So the "savings" is all in the profit, but that won't stop costs from rising as more people will be using the system and still (as far as they are concerned) won't be paying for it (it's free!) arthriticknee wrote:
I'm not sure there is quite so much of a rush when the concept of reform has been around for ages.
Its not like the idea came up yesterday and they want to pass it today.
I remain intrigued by how afraid many Americans are of health care reform. Will it make your life so bad? You don't think it will make you a communist do you?
How communist is Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom?
They have all been doing it for years and yet they survive. WowIt's not that. We don't know how we are going to pay for all the reform. We are already in debt of trillions to China.
Americans aren't scared of reform but how is it going to happen, how much will it cost, who is paying for it and what exactly will change?
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arthriticknee wrote:
I'm not sure there is quite so much of a rush when the concept of reform has been around for ages.
Its not like the idea came up yesterday and they want to pass it today.
I remain intrigued by how afraid many Americans are of health care reform. Will it make your life so bad? You don't think it will make you a communist do you?
How communist is Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom?
They have all been doing it for years and yet they survive. WowIf this were health care reform we might not be against it, this is the first step into a single payer system accompanied by rationing. Health care reform would actually be great but nobody seems interested in that!
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The idea is as old as Ted Kennedy.....however they are trying rush something through while they have a majority and a popular sitting President.
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C.J. Wright wrote:
The idea is as old as Ted Kennedy.....however they are trying rush something through while they have a majority and a popular sitting President.
I wish it were as dead as Ted!
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A Texan wrote:
C.J. Wright wrote:
The idea is as old as Ted Kennedy.....however they are trying rush something through while they have a majority and a popular sitting President.
I wish it were as dead as Ted!
Yep. Hopefully it will be soon. Its a set up. Get it done now, make it effective for the next election year. Its Politics as usual from someone who ran on change.
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C.J. Wright wrote:
A Texan wrote:
C.J. Wright wrote:
The idea is as old as Ted Kennedy.....however they are trying rush something through while they have a majority and a popular sitting President.
I wish it were as dead as Ted!
Yep. Hopefully it will be soon. Its a set up. Get it done now, make it effective for the next election year. Its Politics as usual from someone who ran on change.
Yup!
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Poppa Blues wrote:
You don't get something for nothing! Europe controls the cost by limiting care, it's that simple. In any market it's suplly and demand that drives pricing. Health care costs run higher here because the people that are using it aren't paying for it, if they were, they wouldn't use it as much and the costs would be lower.
Of course universal health care isn't free, but the costs are borne across the entire population and across all age groups. Europe controls costs by limiting care, but not as much as our private-insurance system does. Are you really unaware that insurance companies' business involves limiting care?
Look at the outcomes. European countries, despite spending substantially less than us, have better health outcomes that we do. So if they're limiting care, they're doing it far more judiciously, or less, than we do. 
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livelonger wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
You don't get something for nothing! Europe controls the cost by limiting care, it's that simple. In any market it's suplly and demand that drives pricing. Health care costs run higher here because the people that are using it aren't paying for it, if they were, they wouldn't use it as much and the costs would be lower.
Of course universal health care isn't free, but the costs are borne across the entire population and across all age groups. Europe controls costs by limiting care, but not as much as our private-insurance system does. Are you really unaware that insurance companies' business involves limiting care?
Look at the outcomes. European countries, despite spending substantially less than us, have better health outcomes that we do. So if they're limiting care, they're doing it far more judiciously, or less, than we do.Very true.
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livelonger wrote:
Poppa Blues wrote:
You don't get something for nothing! Europe controls the cost by limiting care, it's that simple. In any market it's suplly and demand that drives pricing. Health care costs run higher here because the people that are using it aren't paying for it, if they were, they wouldn't use it as much and the costs would be lower.
Of course universal health care isn't free, but the costs are borne across the entire population and across all age groups. Europe controls costs by limiting care, but not as much as our private-insurance system does. Are you really unaware that insurance companies' business involves limiting care?
Look at the outcomes. European countries, despite spending substantially less than us, have better health outcomes that we do. So if they're limiting care, they're doing it far more judiciously, or less, than we do.Very true.
arthriticknee wrote:
I'm not sure there is quite so much of a rush when the concept of reform has been around for ages.
Its not like the idea came up yesterday and they want to pass it today.
I remain intrigued by how afraid many Americans are of health care reform. Will it make your life so bad? You don't think it will make you a communist do you?
How communist is Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom?
They have all been doing it for years and yet they survive. WowWell, large parts of the Uk are predominately Muslim and acting under Sharia law... Don't know much about Australia or Canada. But what I do know about America is the government has no business deciding or running my healthcare choices for me.
