"Obama Declares National Emergency for H1N1": CBS
93- fishskinfreak2008
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OK, the question now becomes not "if" swine flu will strike, but "when" and 'how severe will the outbreak be?'
79- Madame X
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Swine flu isn't any different than regular flu - and less people die from it. This is just another Obama sword-rattling "emergency" and it's just another tactic to convince everyone that we MUST pass healthcare right away
- unless they start using it to suspend your constitutional rights, which under national emergency conditions, they may do.Madame X wrote:
Swine flu isn't any different than regular flu - and less people die from it. This is just another Obama sword-rattling "emergency" and it's just another tactic to convince everyone that we MUST pass healthcare right away
- unless they start using it to suspend your constitutional rights, which under national emergency conditions, they may do.36,000 people die a year from the regular flu.
About 1,000 people have died from the swine flu, this year.
Not sure why everyone is freaking out about the swine flu. It doesn't kill anywhere near as many people.
Maybe You are right, Madame X. Could this be an Obama "scare" so everyone backs healthcare? I never thought of that.
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What is different about this flu is that children and young people are dying from it. People who don't usually die from the flu.
95- Daniel Carter
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Uninvited Writer wrote:
What is different about this flu is that children and young people are dying from it. People who don't usually die from the flu.
Exactly. The reports are that adolescents and young adults immune systems go into overdrive for some reason, and basically fries them. Younger children and people over 30 are much less effected for some reason. If you look at news reports to see who died that was previously in good health, they mostly fit into this category of people.
Prevention is better than relying on unavailable vaccines and unavailable tamiflu. There are good hubs about this subject and how to protect yourself. Pgrundy is going through it now, she will write about it, I've written about it and so have many others. We need to educated in preventive measures.Dan, what age group exactly constitutes adolescents in this context?
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They are saying children, young adults and people in their 20s are most at risk...so basically anyone under 30.
He mentioned a less affected category: younger children. Presumably younger than adolescents. I was just wondering what the bounds of the category are.
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It's a state of emergency when thousands *might* die ... It's a tragedy when it actually occurs.
If Obama saves thousands of lives by stressing this is a health hazard to a group that usually are immune to dying from the flu (people under their 30s) then he has prevented a tragedy.
I understand that younger people are dying but it still doesn't warrant a national emergency for something that kills 36 times less than the normal flu.
Are we saying that younger people's lives are more valuable and we don't care if older people die from the normal flu?
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OK, let's take it without proof that say 15-25 group is more affected. Now, did anybody compared it to regular flu IN THIS GROUP? Like say out of 36000 a year dying from regular flu, 5000 is in this range... Then 1000 or even 2000 a year from swine flu don't really look that bad. Statistics is a tricky science, and you have to know what you are doing to get meaningful results...
People, don't be THAT gullible- 79
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Uninvited Writer wrote:
What is different about this flu is that children and young people are dying from it. People who don't usually die from the flu.
36,000 people a year die from the flu. And I agree, prevention is the best course of action.
Misha wrote:
OK, let's take it without proof that say 15-25 group is more affected. Now, did anybody compared it to regular flu IN THIS GROUP? Like say out of 36000 a year dying from regular flu, 5000 is in this range... Then 1000 or even 2000 a year from swine flu don't really look that bad. Statistics is a tricky science, and you have to know what you are doing to get meaningful results...
People, don't be THAT gullibleVery good point. I'm sure more young people die from the regular flu than swine flu. I'll see if I can find that stat.
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What is different about this flu is that children and young people are dying from it. People who don't usually die from the flu.
Firstly. I don't think we have any idea what is happening with this virus, my natural suspicion of all things like this is that it's man made to start with, (note HIV virus) and that if there is the expected 'second wave' it will be manufactured to kill a much larger number of people.
Yes the children and young people are more susceptible, the construction seems to be one which makes the immune system react and go into overdrive, attacking it's own host body, and children and young people have better immune systems than us oldies,whose systems are normally under par, so they fare worse than us in this instance.
Remember that in 1964 the UN and WHO agreed that the optimum number for world population in their New World Order was 500 million people, whereas currently the world tops 6 billion.... so it's (for me) not too much of a stretch to see this s the START of the planned population reduction.
Secondly, the vaccine in this instance COULD be the worse killer in the long term... WHY? well if I wanted to have the ability to kill large numbers of people rapidly, I would get them to take an engineered 'vaccine' which had hidden in the vaccine a precursor that would activate in the body when the catalyst second part was encountered.
There has been an extensive vaccination program in Africa (sponsored by acknowledged NWO leaders)and now we have Obama's NWO cronies in the USA pushing for compulsory H1N1 vaccination (as well as in the UK and other major population areas).
This is of course great business for BigPharma, but aside from that, if my concept had any substance, then a whole heap of humanity could have been injected with a killer virus just awaiting activation at whatever point in the future the NWO decide the time is right to start their New World dominated by THEM.
So personally I will wait and see what is happening, because the H1N1 virus to date seems quite manageable by using simple colloidal silver or even salt water to gargle with and snort, which will kill most virus on contact.
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Well, I'm just going on what I have heard doctors saying.
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To be diagnosed with the flu, you have to have a culture by either a mouth swab sent to a lab or a blood test. If you test positive, you are prescribed Tamiflu. The problem is, the flu is a virus. Tammiflu must be administered within 48 hours and doctors are not “supposed” to write scripts for it until it is actually diagnosed.
Doctors are cautioning on the safe side and issuing scripts based on the symptons alone. If you go to the doctor with a fever, headache and a cough, you will be diagnosed with the flu.
You will become a statistic. The swine flu takes additional tests.
Personnaly, I know two people that were “diagnosed with the swine flu.” Neither of them had a mouth swab or a blood test, both were prescribed Tammiflu and both were told it is treated the same way as Influenza A so there was no need to try and distinguish which flu they had. - 79
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aguasilver wrote:
Uninvited Writer wrote:
What is different about this flu is that children and young people are dying from it. People who don't usually die from the flu.
Firstly. I don't think we have any idea what is happening with this virus, my natural suspicion of all things like this is that it's man made to start with, (note HIV virus) and that if there is the expected 'second wave' it will be manufactured to kill a much larger number of people.
Yes the children and young people are more susceptible, the construction seems to be one which makes the immune system react and go into overdrive, attacking it's own host body, and children and young people have better immune systems than us oldies,whose systems are normally under par, so they fare worse than us in this instance.
Remember that in 1964 the UN and WHO agreed that the optimum number for world population in their New World Order was 500 million people, whereas currently the world tops 6 billion.... so it's (for me) not too much of a stretch to see this s the START of the planned population reduction.
Secondly, the vaccine in this instance COULD be the worse killer in the long term... WHY? well if I wanted to have the ability to kill large numbers of people rapidly, I would get them to take an engineered 'vaccine' which had hidden in the vaccine a precursor that would activate in the body when the catalyst second part was encountered.
There has been an extensive vaccination program in Africa (sponsored by acknowledged NWO leaders)and now we have Obama's NWO cronies in the USA pushing for compulsory H1N1 vaccination (as well as in the UK and other major population areas).
This is of course great business for BigPharma, but aside from that, if my concept had any substance, then a whole heap of humanity could have been injected with a killer virus just awaiting activation at whatever point in the future the NWO decide the time is right to start their New World dominated by THEM.
So personally I will wait and see what is happening, because the H1N1 virus to date seems quite manageable by using simple colloidal silver or even salt water to gargle with and snort, which will kill most virus on contact.
If you doubt this, just Google 'world population control, kissinger, United Nations, 1964' - that will give you the leads to follow!I have read an awful lot that backs up exactly what you're saying here.
93- Jane@CM
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My college student is home with the "flu"
Took her to the doctor thinking she might have strep, negative. At the urgent care we took her to, they don't have flu testing, but doctor is 99% sure she has it, H1N1 or regular flu - he said both are the same symptoms - miserable!
So that is #2 in our house 19 & under - and she doesn't live here, she lives at college - but came home as the University strongly suggests student go home to get better.
My son did get pneumonia & strep after flu symptoms began.
I think the biggest cause for concern is the pneumonia and the schools here are seeing a lot of it. The other weird thing here, many of the kids have flu symptoms (body aches, sore throat, cough, runny nose - that hit by a truck feeling) but no fever is presenting. I talked to the school nurse today at a local craft fair and she said the "no fever" is causing issues, because parents are sending their kids to school because they don't have a fever. I say keep 'em home until they feel better!
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Ignoring American politics for a moment and concentrating on the H1N1 virus that is currently active across most of the globe, it could be either bad or very bad in terms of its impact.
An earlier strain of the virus spawned the 1918 flu epidemic that killed anywhere from 50 to 100 million people worldwide. That's surely enough to suspect it might be worth further investigation.
It's returned several times since and been less vociferous, yet still killed plenty of people. It's not really a competition between other strains of flu either.
My point is, it's not a conspiracy, it's a real virus that has the potential to get very nasty. Currently no-one knows how bad this outbreak will be, but I wouldn't dismiss it as a "scare" just yet.I did a little googling, because we are coming to the end of the flu season here in the Southern Hemisphere, and have already had the peak of cases for Swine Flu (on the decline here now). It stopped making headlines here months back.
This article gives a round up of what happened in Australia and New Zealand. It's worth reading, since it's likely the same pattern will occur in the US. The only difference I could possibly see is that the health care system in the US may mean people who need critical care may not get it due to having no insurance which could lead to a higher death rate. Aus and NZ have universal health care, btw.
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2 … he_sou.php
