Christian hippocrites in politics....so funny
Every time a gay marriage proposal hits the votes, Christian groups spend so much money on ads and campaigning against it spreading fear and their "moral" arguments.
Yesterday, Maine voters repealed the gay marriage law that was passed by Maine legislators.
Yet, Christians let new laws for marijuana use and casinos to get approved yesterday.
It's funny how "sins" don't seem to be equal to these Christian groups. They allow all these other ones go without a fight but not gay rights.
Christians were the same ones trying to suppress women and keep slavery.
They will lose the gay marriage fight in a few years. Then they'll clamor to try to suppress another group of people while other "sins" seem to be off their radar. Watch out Muslims, you're next on their list. No rights for you in the U.S.One state passed a law, yesterday, allowing you to carry a small amount of marijuana on you being legal.
Where were the Christian and "family" groups in that state? LOL
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Anything regarding homosexuality and abortion are very popular lightning rods among the religious right.
Why? Straight men (who wield the money & power in evangelical movements) will never be guilty of either. Easy to feel self-righteous when you cherry pick these 2 particular metrics of morality.
They might *talk* about other sins, but they will never, ever move to curtail their own freedoms.
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TimTurner wrote:
Every time a gay marriage proposal hits the votes, Christian groups spend so much money on ads and campaigning against it spreading fear and their "moral" arguments.
Yesterday, Maine voters repealed the gay marriage law that was passed by Maine legislators.
Yet, Christians let new laws for marijuana use and casinos to get approved yesterday.
It's funny how "sins" don't seem to be equal to these Christian groups. They allow all these other ones go without a fight but not gay rights.
Christians were the same ones trying to suppress women and keep slavery.
They will lose the gay marriage fight in a few years. Then they'll clamor to try to suppress another group of people while other "sins" seem to be off their radar. Watch out Muslims, you're next on their list. No rights for you in the U.S.Oh, I'm sure there are Christian groups that'll be focusing on the marijuana issue; dontcha worry now. ha
And indeed on the Muslim issue. Especially since so many (not all, but many) Muslims want to replace the Bible with their specific form of anti-Biblical philosophy.
Sometimes a person, including a Christian, has to pick their battles, because we cannot focus on every issue at once. Our politicians should be handling most of this, but lo and behold, many of them are liberal like you Tim.
By the way, I don't think your statement about Christians promoting slavery is quite true.
..Unless...oh my....you mean our Founding Fathers were ....(gulp) CHRISTIANS after all????
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Gays have the exact same rights everyone else has, why is that so hard for liberals and gays to understand?
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TimTurner wrote:
Every time a gay marriage proposal hits the votes, Christian groups spend so much money on ads and campaigning against it spreading fear and their "moral" arguments.
Yesterday, Maine voters repealed the gay marriage law that was passed by Maine legislators.
Yet, Christians let new laws for marijuana use and casinos to get approved yesterday.
It's funny how "sins" don't seem to be equal to these Christian groups. They allow all these other ones go without a fight but not gay rights.
Christians were the same ones trying to suppress women and keep slavery.
They will lose the gay marriage fight in a few years. Then they'll clamor to try to suppress another group of people while other "sins" seem to be off their radar. Watch out Muslims, you're next on their list. No rights for you in the U.S.Sir someone wants to have own lifestyle it his responsibility. But to redefine marriage is other. Don't we have enough troubles can you see that?
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Vladimir Uhri wrote:
Sir someone wants to have own lifestyle it his responsibility. But to redefine marriage is other. Don't we have enough troubles can you see that?
Tell that to the people who *added* extra laws and amendments to prevent gay people from having the same right to get married to the person they love as straight people.
I guess we both agree there are more important things to worry about than writing inequality into law. - 80
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livelonger wrote:
Vladimir Uhri wrote:
Sir someone wants to have own lifestyle it his responsibility. But to redefine marriage is other. Don't we have enough troubles can you see that?
Tell that to the people who *added* extra laws and amendments to prevent gay people from having the same right to get married to the person they love as straight people.
I guess we both agree there are more important things to worry about than writing inequality into law.Still can't figure it, ok, one more time.
1. gayman can't marry gayman
2. straightman can't marry straightman
3. gayman can't marry straightman
4. straightman can't marry gayman
5. gayman can marry women of any variety
6. straightman can marry women of any variety
See! It's all equal! Nobody gets special treatment and no ones better than the other. Go figure. - 96
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
livelonger wrote:
Vladimir Uhri wrote:
Sir someone wants to have own lifestyle it his responsibility. But to redefine marriage is other. Don't we have enough troubles can you see that?
Tell that to the people who *added* extra laws and amendments to prevent gay people from having the same right to get married to the person they love as straight people.
I guess we both agree there are more important things to worry about than writing inequality into law.Still can't figure it, ok, one more time.
1. gayman can't marry gayman
2. straightman can't marry straightman
3. gayman can't marry straightman
4. straightman can't marry gayman
5. gayman can marry women of any variety
6. straightman can marry women of any variety
See! It's all equal! Nobody gets special treatment and no ones better than the other. Go figure.Yeah, what were black people complaining about, right? They could use any seat on the bus as they liked provided it was in the back, and any water fountain they liked provided it wasn't whites-only. All equal!!! Go figure.
Jim Crow never really died in the South, did it? Lives on as a state of mind... 
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
livelonger wrote:
Vladimir Uhri wrote:
Sir someone wants to have own lifestyle it his responsibility. But to redefine marriage is other. Don't we have enough troubles can you see that?
Tell that to the people who *added* extra laws and amendments to prevent gay people from having the same right to get married to the person they love as straight people.
I guess we both agree there are more important things to worry about than writing inequality into law.Still can't figure it, ok, one more time.
1. gayman can't marry gayman
2. straightman can't marry straightman
3. gayman can't marry straightman
4. straightman can't marry gayman
5. gayman can marry women of any variety
6. straightman can marry women of any variety
See! It's all equal! Nobody gets special treatment and no ones better than the other. Go figure.Who could argue with that kind of common sense?
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Yeah sneakorocksolid's post seems rather straight forward to me.
Pardon the pun.
Good on the Maine voters.
Tim I guess you didn't hear about the shoot out at the Detroit mosque.
Radical mosque leader killed in FBI shootout
Feds say goal was Islamic nation in U.S.I think we need to point out a huge difference in opinions here:
There's a difference between a Christian, and a Churchgoer.
A Christian is a person who can say, "Let he without sin cast the first stone." A Churchgoer says, "Let he who is not one of us be cast out of our light." A Christian says, "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." A Churchgoer says, "Do unto others that which you feel they deserve for not being like you." A Christian says, "We are brothers." A Churchgoer says, "We could never be brothers."
See the difference yet?
A true Christian is a person who is able to turn the other cheek, love others as they love themselves (and truly love themselves), and understand that there is one God, he just has different faces and names for different people. God is loving, God is kind, and God is here for everybody. Not just for those who think bible-thumping is a Halloween pass-time.
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Kika Rose wrote:
I think we need to point out a huge difference in opinions here:
There's a difference between a Christian, and a Churchgoer.
A Christian is a person who can say, "Let he without sin cast the first stone." A Churchgoer says, "Let he who is not one of us be cast out of our light." A Christian says, "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." A Churchgoer says, "Do unto others that which you feel they deserve for not being like you." A Christian says, "We are brothers." A Churchgoer says, "We could never be brothers."
See the difference yet?
A true Christian is a person who is able to turn the other cheek, love others as they love themselves (and truly love themselves), and understand that there is one God, he just has different faces and names for different people. God is loving, God is kind, and God is here for everybody. Not just for those who think bible-thumping is a Halloween pass-time.And what of Christians who go to church? You might want to think your definitions through a little more.
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Come on... have your cake and eat it too? Marriage is a religious right of passage or otherwise granted by the state, yeah ok but who really cares? Obviously some people ok I get that. I don't have a problem with homosexuality, it is not my preference but each to their own. However, gay marriage still just doesn't make sense to me. In all seriousness, I would like to know what the point is. If it is to announce your partnering of souls or something of that sort well great, have a party, tell all your friends and slap it on hubpages, facebook or whatever else but marriage is a bit passe now isn't it? A greater number of marriages fail than succeed. Draw up a pre-nup if it is a business decision, stay de-facto. What is the point? Please.
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Bovine Currency wrote:
marriage is a bit passe now isn't it? What is the point? Please.
Would you mind if I ask where you're from that marriage is "passe"?
As a single heterosexual, why don't I have as much right to marriage benefits as homosexual couples do?
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thetfin wrote:
As a single heterosexual, why don't I have as much right to marriage benefits as homosexual couples do?
What do you mean?
livelonger wrote:
thetfin wrote:
As a single heterosexual, why don't I have as much right to marriage benefits as homosexual couples do?
What do you mean?
The whole point of getting married is to create a secure institution that is ideal for starting a family.
Married heterosexuals need tax breaks because they always have the contingency of children. Homosexual couples and single heteros do not share this contingency and thus do not share this tax bracket.
Why can't I use sick leave to care for a friend or relative? Homosexuals are not the only group lacking the right to use sick leave to care for loved ones.
Why can't I recieve unpaid wages of a dead friend or family member? Again, we're in the same boat.
Why can't I have the same rights and responsibilities related to adoption, child custody, and child support?
Why do homosexuals need all of these things more than anyone else?
My point is that the percieved unfairness is not exclusive to homosexual couples, and changing the definition of marriage to solely accomodate this select group of people is unfair.- 96
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thetfin wrote:
livelonger wrote:
thetfin wrote:
As a single heterosexual, why don't I have as much right to marriage benefits as homosexual couples do?
What do you mean?
The whole point of getting married is to create a secure institution that is ideal for starting a family.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The point of a marriage is to strengthen a mutually-dependent relationship between two people who love each other. There is no societal expectation that married couples must reproduce; there is no stigma when two seniors marry, for instance.
Married heterosexuals need tax breaks because they always have the contingency of children. Homosexual couples and single heteros do not share this contingency and thus do not share this tax bracket.
For many married heterosexuals, there is NO contingency of childrearing, either because of biology or choice. And there are plenty of gay couples who DO have children. I am unaware of any rights afforded to married couples that would be relevant to single parenting, but maybe you could enlighten me.
Why can't I use sick leave to care for a friend or relative? Homosexuals are not the only group lacking the right to use sick leave to care for loved ones.
You do realize that a homosexual spouse is not a "friend" or "relative" and that married straight couples are likewise denied the ability to use sick leave to care for friends and relatives, right? It only pertains to their life partner/spouse.
Why can't I recieve unpaid wages of a dead friend or family member? Again, we're in the same boat.
Why can't I have the same rights and responsibilities related to adoption, child custody, and child support?
Why do homosexuals need all of these things more than anyone else?You are oddly acting as if married gay couples are no different from two good friends, as if the bond were no deeper than friendship.
If your point is that many rights reserved for married couples should be extended to single people, too, then it's odd to go after gay couples who have very few of those rights to begin with under our current system.My point is that the percieved unfairness is not exclusive to homosexual couples, and changing the definition of marriage to solely accomodate this select group of people is unfair.
You are talking about an entirely different issue. You might want to examine the difference between romantic love and friendship, because it seems as if your issue is with marriage itself (something enjoyed by all interested straight couples, but denied to most gay ones), not that gay couples want to have access to the same institution.
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First of all, since when is marriage sacred. Not too long ago in this country (and to this day in other parts of the world) a woman was considered the property of her father before her 'title' was signed off to her husband (her new owner). Secondly, anyone who says they reject homosexuals because they are 'christian', well then consult a dictionary. If you're really a christian, the word reject shouldn't even be in your vocabulary.
Lastly, someone brought up the marijuana issue, and since when is that an issue of morality? because it's illegal? Well, it was legal until the 30's when the timber companies, plastics manufacturers and tobacco barons banded together to outlaw it.
If we made it legal today, it would be the biggest growth industry in the country in about five minutes. Plus, you can use it to make paper, textiles, clothing, etc. BTW, guess what the original U.S. flag was made out of . . .
