Killer surives Ft. Hood and Tax Payers are Footing His Recovery
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Flightkeeper wrote:
McVeigh didn't bomb the building in the name of Christianity. That Hassan guy did spray gunfire in the name of Allah. Trying to make these two equal doesn't make sense.
The statement he uttered is a prayer meant to ask Allah for guidance and protection, it's like saying God protect me before going into battle. I did it all the time but i wasn't doing it for God. My aides and guides in Afghanistan always uttered the same thing before going on patrol or into enemy territory. I'm not saying he wasn't trying to be a martyr, but until he says otherwise there's no way to know.
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First I'm not excusing any behavior, I've never said he shouldn't pay, in fact I started out saying he should and his crime should be investigated. I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong. In fact I believe I've stated several times the whole point of his attempted death was to escape the penalties. What I am saying is had this been a white Christian boy massacring his fellow soldiers the attitude would be different and we wouldn't be calling it terrorism, but a tragic act of a troubled person. Funny how selective our labels are, like how you're interpreting my comments and excluding others.
Are there a lot of Christian terrorists? When we hear of a Muslim committing crimes such as this are we supposed to assume he was just some nut? This will prove out to be a case of a Muslim terrorist killing his enemy, it just will.
As I was saying before in several nations right now, Christian groups are the ones committing the atrocities and terrorism. Will you hear it on TV, no probably not because its in unpopular parts of the world, I didn't know about it until I had to go there and evacuate the embassies, but its still happening. However point is, I get it, some people don't like Muslims and want them exterminated, and find them at fault for Americas problems yeah yeah yeah! Can I go now?
didn't need to hear that on tv.....don't watch tv.
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Are there a lot of Christian terrorists? When we hear of a Muslim committing crimes such as this are we supposed to assume he was just some nut? This will prove out to be a case of a Muslim terrorist killing his enemy, it just will.
As I was saying before in several nations right now, Christian groups are the ones committing the atrocities and terrorism. Will you hear it on TV, no probably not because its in unpopular parts of the world, I didn't know about it until I had to go there and evacuate the embassies, but its still happening. However point is, I get it, some people don't like Muslims and want them exterminated, and find them at fault for Americas problems yeah yeah yeah! Can I go now?
didn't need to hear that on tv.....don't watch tv.
And you call yourself an American we're revoking your TV today then.
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Scott.Life wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
McVeigh didn't bomb the building in the name of Christianity. That Hassan guy did spray gunfire in the name of Allah. Trying to make these two equal doesn't make sense.
The statement he uttered is a prayer meant to ask Allah for guidance and protection, it's like saying God protect me before going into battle. I did it all the time but i wasn't doing it for God. My aides and guides in Afghanistan always uttered the same thing before going on patrol or into enemy territory. I'm not saying he wasn't trying to be a martyr, but until he says otherwise there's no way to know.
Wow, you really like to dismiss the obvious.
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two hrs before they announced the name of the shooter. i said to my kids all i need is his last name if its hassan its a terrorist act . two hrs later the name was broadcast. jaws dropped in our living room . is that crazy or what
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Flightkeeper wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
McVeigh didn't bomb the building in the name of Christianity. That Hassan guy did spray gunfire in the name of Allah. Trying to make these two equal doesn't make sense.
The statement he uttered is a prayer meant to ask Allah for guidance and protection, it's like saying God protect me before going into battle. I did it all the time but i wasn't doing it for God. My aides and guides in Afghanistan always uttered the same thing before going on patrol or into enemy territory. I'm not saying he wasn't trying to be a martyr, but until he says otherwise there's no way to know.
Wow, you really like to dismiss the obvious.
The obvious is that this guy flipped out and killed 13 people and the only one that knows why is him, that's the obvious. Until they are able to investigate why and how then I'm not going to say for sure why he did it. I like to look at all the angles first that's what keeps me from condemning people just because they may disagree with me, because I don't know why they do or the motivations behind that belief. The obvious is until such time as this guy is interviewed all these posts witty and educated as they may be are just conjecture, but I can accept that.
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Scott.Life wrote:
C.J. Wright wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
As I was saying before in several nations right now, Christian groups are the ones committing the atrocities and terrorism. Will you hear it on TV, no probably not because its in unpopular parts of the world, I didn't know about it until I had to go there and evacuate the embassies, but its still happening. However point is, I get it, some people don't like Muslims and want them exterminated, and find them at fault for Americas problems yeah yeah yeah! Can I go now?
didn't need to hear that on tv.....don't watch tv.
And you call yourself an American we're revoking your TV today then.
NOPE...from my dead cold hands....LOL NCAA Football on PS2 is about all I use the tube for.
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Scott.Life wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
The statement he uttered is a prayer meant to ask Allah for guidance and protection, it's like saying God protect me before going into battle. I did it all the time but i wasn't doing it for God. My aides and guides in Afghanistan always uttered the same thing before going on patrol or into enemy territory. I'm not saying he wasn't trying to be a martyr, but until he says otherwise there's no way to know.
Wow, you really like to dismiss the obvious.
The obvious is that this guy flipped out and killed 13 people and the only one that knows why is him, that's the obvious. Until they are able to investigate why and how then I'm not going to say for sure why he did it. I like to look at all the angles first that's what keeps me from condemning people just because they may disagree with me, because I don't know why they do or the motivations behind that belief. The obvious is until such time as this guy is interviewed all these posts witty and educated as they may be are just conjecture, but I can accept that.
You remind me of an old western story. A much feared and vicious gunman was on trial and 12 townspeople had given a not guilty verdict even though they had seen the gunman shoot the victim. When asked why they gave a not guilty verdict, they replied that they didn't actually see the bullets enter the body.
I think he snapped because he was afraid of going to war.if he would have went he would have been protected in the green zone are in a safe zone in afghanistan,counseling soldiers.some times the fear inside of people is worst than the actual reality of the situation.fear extreme fear makes people do things that they would not normally do.the bad thing about it is he was a major majors rarely see frontline combat.he was a coward drowning in fear of things that had not even happened yet.because of that fear his name will be remembered in shame and disgrace.because of that fear he will be remembered forever in military history as a COWARD.his actions will make life harder for all muslims in the military from here on out.
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Flightkeeper wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
Wow, you really like to dismiss the obvious.The obvious is that this guy flipped out and killed 13 people and the only one that knows why is him, that's the obvious. Until they are able to investigate why and how then I'm not going to say for sure why he did it. I like to look at all the angles first that's what keeps me from condemning people just because they may disagree with me, because I don't know why they do or the motivations behind that belief. The obvious is until such time as this guy is interviewed all these posts witty and educated as they may be are just conjecture, but I can accept that.
You remind me of an old western story. A much feared and vicious gunman was on trial and 12 townspeople had given a not guilty verdict even though they had seen the gunman shoot the victim. When asked why they gave a not guilty verdict, they replied that they didn't actually see the bullets enter the body.
In all fairness to all of you, I have had quite a bit of experience hanging out with Lawyers and politicians, whose motto is there's no wrong or right, only opportunities.
That being said, let me affirm that this man, whoever he was, did something horrendous, and despicable. Whatever the motives, his actions constitute an act of treason as we are and have been for almost 18 years now at a declared state of war.
What baffles my mind is that this individual who was under suspicion from both the FBI and military authorities was out running around a military base; despite the implications for tactical security and mental state. Furthermore as anyone who has recently served at a state side base can attest, it is alot harder then you might think to get a weapon and ammo on base, let alone bring one onto the base. Yet here this person is, under suspicion for threatening statements, carrying two loaded weapons on an Army base. Even in Afghanistan and Iraq there were few times when not on duty that I was allowed to have live ammo, and I was in a combat infantry unit.
This act constitutes a serious breach of military security and protocol. this person was not an MP, or Combat MOS, but a medical officer with a questionable history and record. Where did he get the weapons and ammo, and how was he carrying both around a base filled with people trained to detect both? This man needs to be investigated and his crime examined. Death is a swift and merciful punishment for crimes like this, better to serve a lifetime in a concrete box.Ron Montgomery wrote:
They should just shoot him in the head. A bullet is much less expensive than treating him, interrogating him, imprisoning him, and then executing him anyway.
In fact, the government could save tons 'o cash by shooting people in the head. They could shoot everyone over 65 years old to balance the social security budget. They could shoot one out of every 6 licensed drivers to avoid the expense of building new roads.
Bullets - any problem they can't solve?LOL:)
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As a kiwi, it amazes me how much is spent in the US on the military and on mental health issues.
This guy clearly has a mental health issue and was commissioned within the military as a Pyschiatrist with the ability to assess the personnel at Fort Hood on mental health issues!
Was he commissioned to that post as a result of the 75 Suicides that have occurred at that base since 2002?
Apparently he is also known to be deeply devout within his religious beliefs. Doubtless his defence will be one based on his religious beliefs!
Have you considered this point?You are very right often time the US wasts more money on agendas that seems to be not a prioty more of a future political platform for politicians!
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Scott.Life wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
The obvious is that this guy flipped out and killed 13 people and the only one that knows why is him, that's the obvious. Until they are able to investigate why and how then I'm not going to say for sure why he did it. I like to look at all the angles first that's what keeps me from condemning people just because they may disagree with me, because I don't know why they do or the motivations behind that belief. The obvious is until such time as this guy is interviewed all these posts witty and educated as they may be are just conjecture, but I can accept that.
You remind me of an old western story. A much feared and vicious gunman was on trial and 12 townspeople had given a not guilty verdict even though they had seen the gunman shoot the victim. When asked why they gave a not guilty verdict, they replied that they didn't actually see the bullets enter the body.
In all fairness to all of you, I have had quite a bit of experience hanging out with Lawyers and politicians, whose motto is there's no wrong or right, only opportunities.
That being said, let me affirm that this man, whoever he was, did something horrendous, and despicable. Whatever the motives, his actions constitute an act of treason as we are and have been for almost 18 years now at a declared state of war.
What baffles my mind is that this individual who was under suspicion from both the FBI and military authorities was out running around a military base; despite the implications for tactical security and mental state. Furthermore as anyone who has recently served at a state side base can attest, it is alot harder then you might think to get a weapon and ammo on base, let alone bring one onto the base. Yet here this person is, under suspicion for threatening statements, carrying two loaded weapons on an Army base. Even in Afghanistan and Iraq there were few times when not on duty that I was allowed to have live ammo, and I was in a combat infantry unit.
This act constitutes a serious breach of military security and protocol. this person was not an MP, or Combat MOS, but a medical officer with a questionable history and record. Where did he get the weapons and ammo, and how was he carrying both around a base filled with people trained to detect both? This man needs to be investigated and his crime examined. Death is a swift and merciful punishment for crimes like this, better to serve a lifetime in a concrete box.I don't know what bases you have been on but its pretty damn easy to get firearms on a base, especially an officer
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I have no patients for the people who try to twist this as something other than it is. It is an act of terrorism as the definition of terrorism defines it. If the islamic community doesn't take care of this garbage in their midsts they are also guilty by association. How many more acts do we have to suffer before we wake-up and get with the program. Do we have to suffer the loss of an elementary school full of innocent children? How about a stadium full fans at a sporting event?
When do we say enough is enough and go to the source of the problem? islam is no different than facism and should be eliminated unless they take care of the radical elements in their religion. If they don't then they were warned and liberals you really to sit down and shut-up. You're the reason this mess is a mess, is because of your inclusive BS!"Islam is no different than fascism"...
That doesn't add up.
Islam actually doesn't support dictatorial regimes and does not discriminate against others (as per the Q'uran) based on faith, skin color, national origin, language, or economic status. Fascism deals with the supremacy of a specific nation and national identity over all others, often rejecting individual rights and freedoms.
The islamic community has issues with it's "garbage" just as every other religious community does. Just as there are groups who identify themselves as muslims and pervert the faith to justify their own ends, there are groups who identify themselves as christian and utilize biblical scripture to justify their ungodly acts and points of view. Extremism is extremism, be it defined by religious zealotry, nationalistic fervor or secular treachery.
Now, calling for the "elimination" of an entire religious system (as you did above) could be considered extremist and radical as well. I'll probably regret asking this, but how would you propose this be done?
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A Texan wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
Flightkeeper wrote:
You remind me of an old western story. A much feared and vicious gunman was on trial and 12 townspeople had given a not guilty verdict even though they had seen the gunman shoot the victim. When asked why they gave a not guilty verdict, they replied that they didn't actually see the bullets enter the body.In all fairness to all of you, I have had quite a bit of experience hanging out with Lawyers and politicians, whose motto is there's no wrong or right, only opportunities.
That being said, let me affirm that this man, whoever he was, did something horrendous, and despicable. Whatever the motives, his actions constitute an act of treason as we are and have been for almost 18 years now at a declared state of war.
What baffles my mind is that this individual who was under suspicion from both the FBI and military authorities was out running around a military base; despite the implications for tactical security and mental state. Furthermore as anyone who has recently served at a state side base can attest, it is alot harder then you might think to get a weapon and ammo on base, let alone bring one onto the base. Yet here this person is, under suspicion for threatening statements, carrying two loaded weapons on an Army base. Even in Afghanistan and Iraq there were few times when not on duty that I was allowed to have live ammo, and I was in a combat infantry unit.
This act constitutes a serious breach of military security and protocol. this person was not an MP, or Combat MOS, but a medical officer with a questionable history and record. Where did he get the weapons and ammo, and how was he carrying both around a base filled with people trained to detect both? This man needs to be investigated and his crime examined. Death is a swift and merciful punishment for crimes like this, better to serve a lifetime in a concrete box.I don't know what bases you have been on but its pretty damn easy to get firearms on a base, especially an officer
really are these Army bases or what? How long ago was this?
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Scott.Life wrote:
A Texan wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
In all fairness to all of you, I have had quite a bit of experience hanging out with Lawyers and politicians, whose motto is there's no wrong or right, only opportunities.
That being said, let me affirm that this man, whoever he was, did something horrendous, and despicable. Whatever the motives, his actions constitute an act of treason as we are and have been for almost 18 years now at a declared state of war.
What baffles my mind is that this individual who was under suspicion from both the FBI and military authorities was out running around a military base; despite the implications for tactical security and mental state. Furthermore as anyone who has recently served at a state side base can attest, it is alot harder then you might think to get a weapon and ammo on base, let alone bring one onto the base. Yet here this person is, under suspicion for threatening statements, carrying two loaded weapons on an Army base. Even in Afghanistan and Iraq there were few times when not on duty that I was allowed to have live ammo, and I was in a combat infantry unit.
This act constitutes a serious breach of military security and protocol. this person was not an MP, or Combat MOS, but a medical officer with a questionable history and record. Where did he get the weapons and ammo, and how was he carrying both around a base filled with people trained to detect both? This man needs to be investigated and his crime examined. Death is a swift and merciful punishment for crimes like this, better to serve a lifetime in a concrete box.I don't know what bases you have been on but its pretty damn easy to get firearms on a base, especially an officer
really are these Army bases or what? How long ago was this?
I'm a former Marine got out for the last time in 98. My brother who was an officer in the Navy had his weapons on many many bases.
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A Texan wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
A Texan wrote:
I don't know what bases you have been on but its pretty damn easy to get firearms on a base, especially an officer
really are these Army bases or what? How long ago was this?
I'm a former Marine.
Yeah How long ago?
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I edited a minute ago
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A Texan wrote:
Scott.Life wrote:
A Texan wrote:
I don't know what bases you have been on but its pretty damn easy to get firearms on a base, especially an officer
really are these Army bases or what? How long ago was this?
I'm a former Marine got out for the last time in 98. My brother who was an officer in the Navy had his weapons on many many bases.
I got out in 04' after the lockdowns and 9/11. My brother is a Navy Master of Arms in Yorktown and that whole area is locked down. the only ones carrying loaded weapons on base are the DOD cops and MA's
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What unit were you with? east coast or west?
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