Have you read the whole Bible?
- thirdmillenium
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Have you read the whole Bible, not a cursory read but with an intention to grasp its intended meaning ( Doesn't matter whether you understood them all or not)
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thirdmillenium wrote:
Have you read the whole Bible, not a cursory read but with an intention to grasp its intended meaning ( Doesn't matter whether you understood them all or not)
I have and I believe that everyone should. How can we say that we believe in it if we haven't read all of it.
The so in so begets so in so are boring but the time sequencing is of some importance but not as much at first.
Time lines are important in understanding no matter what the subject matter.
I believe that not understanding "Time lines" is the reason for most of the misunderstandings of scripture.
Nothing can be properly understood when looking at it through tunnel vision.
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thirdmillenium wrote:
Have you read the whole Bible, not a cursory read but with an intention to grasp its intended meaning ( Doesn't matter whether you understood them all or not)
Yeah.
If ever there was a great argument for atheism it is the bible. I don't see how anyone can read it and not come to the conclusion that there is no god. Unless they already are close minded enough to have decided there is.
The meaning is clear and I fail to see how the religionists come to the conclusion that there is a god.
Bet they already knew there was a god before they read it. What do you think?I have read it many times. It is my hope and encouragement for life every single day. I love the Bible!
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I have read the Bible twice and the Torah once.
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Evolution Guy wrote:
thirdmillenium wrote:
Have you read the whole Bible, not a cursory read but with an intention to grasp its intended meaning ( Doesn't matter whether you understood them all or not)
Yeah.
If ever there was a great argument for atheism it is the bible. I don't see how anyone can read it and not come to the conclusion that there is no god. Unless they already are close minded enough to have decided there is.
The meaning is clear and I fail to see how the religionists come to the conclusion that there is a god.
Bet they already knew there was a god before they read it. What do you think?There are many excuses for argueing against anything that is misunderstood.
" All the while Ad·o·ni´jah the son of Hag´gith was lifting himself up, saying: “I myself am going to rule as king!” And he proceeded to have a chariot made for himself with horsemen and fifty men running before him. 6 And his father did not hurt his feelings at any time by saying: “Why is this the way you have done?” And he was also very good-looking in form, and [his mother] had borne him after Ab´sa·lom. 7 And he came to have dealings with Jo´ab the son of Ze·ru´iah and with A·bi´a·thar the priest, and they began offering help as followers of Ad·o·ni´jah. 8 As for Za´dok the priest and Be·nai´ah the son of Je·hoi´a·da and Nathan the prophet and Shim´e·i and Re´i and the mighty men that belonged to David, they did not become involved with Ad·o·ni´jah."
I read the section above today and learned a lot.
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Have I read the whole Bible? I doubt it?
Is there a God? For sure!
I’m I going to heaven? Don’t know that is his decision not mine!Here is another section which had a profound impact on me
And Ner begat Kish, and Kish begat Saul, and Saul begat Jonathan, and Malchishua, and Abinadab, [7] and Eshbaal. 34 And the son of Jonathan was Meribbaal; [8] and Meribbaal begat Micah. 35 And the sons of Micah were, Pithon, and Melech, and Tarea, [9] and Ahaz. 36 And Ahaz begat Jehoadah; [10] and Jehoadah begat Alemeth, and Azmaveth, and Zimri; and Zimri begat Moza, 37 And Moza begat Binea: Rapha [11] was his son, Eleasah his son, Azel his son: 38 And Azel had six sons, whose names are these, Azrikam, Bocheru, and Ishmael, and Sheariah, and Obadiah, and Hanan. All these were the sons of Azel. 39 And the sons of Eshek his brother were, Ulam his firstborn, Jehush the second, and Eliphelet the third. 40 And the sons of Ulam were mighty men of valour, archers, and had many sons, and sons' sons, an hundred and fifty. All these are of the sons of Benjamin.
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Will Apse wrote:
Here is another section which had a profound impact on me
And Ner begat Kish, and Kish begat Saul, and Saul begat Jonathan, and Malchishua, and Abinadab, [7] and Eshbaal. 34 And the son of Jonathan was Meribbaal; [8] and Meribbaal begat Micah. 35 And the sons of Micah were, Pithon, and Melech, and Tarea, [9] and Ahaz. 36 And Ahaz begat Jehoadah; [10] and Jehoadah begat Alemeth, and Azmaveth, and Zimri; and Zimri begat Moza, 37 And Moza begat Binea: Rapha [11] was his son, Eleasah his son, Azel his son: 38 And Azel had six sons, whose names are these, Azrikam, Bocheru, and Ishmael, and Sheariah, and Obadiah, and Hanan. All these were the sons of Azel. 39 And the sons of Eshek his brother were, Ulam his firstborn, Jehush the second, and Eliphelet the third. 40 And the sons of Ulam were mighty men of valour, archers, and had many sons, and sons' sons, an hundred and fifty. All these are of the sons of Benjamin.I like your thinking Will. I read the Bible as a teenager, and came to the conclusion that much of it was completely indigestible. A bit like eating a nut with the shell on.
Never read the full bible. I even went to a Baptist school and we had to read it every day. But they don't read it front to back. It's always scripture here and there.
Amanda Severn wrote:
Will Apse wrote:
Here is another section which had a profound impact on me
And Ner begat Kish, and Kish begat Saul, and Saul begat Jonathan, and Malchishua, and Abinadab, [7] and Eshbaal. 34 And lam were mighty men of valour, archers, and had many sons, and sons' sons, an hundred and fifty. All these are of the sons of Benjamin.I like your thinking Will. I read the Bible as a teenager, and came to the conclusion that much of it was completely indigestible. A bit like eating a nut with the shell on.
I think its hard not to get a lot from the New Testament whether you are a believer or not but lets face it- most of the Old Testament is a history of the trials and tribulation of an ancient race and what they made of it all. Thinking has moved on a little, luckily.
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TimTurner wrote:
Never read the full bible. I even went to a Baptist school and we had to read it every day. But they don't read it front to back. It's always scripture here and there.
If you read it front to back, you'd have to wade through great chunks of boring bits. That's why those teaching the Bible like to be selective. It's a bit like edited highlights, and of course those highlights will reflect the interests and agenda of the person teaching it.
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Jerami wrote:
There are many excuses for argueing against anything that is misunderstood.Yes - We agree for once. If you have read and understood the Bible - any fool can see it is not written by a god. Nor is it inspired by one. In fact - it is proof positive that religion and the idea of god is a political tool to subjugate the sheeple. The very idea of an external god should be discarded when one has read and understood the bible. No question.
It is also a great road map of the mind as understood by bronze age peasants with limited scientific understanding of their world. - 97
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Will Apse wrote:
Amanda Severn wrote:
Will Apse wrote:
Here is another section which had a profound impact on me
And Ner begat Kish, and Kish begat Saul, and Saul begat Jonathan, and Malchishua, and Abinadab, [7] and Eshbaal. 34 And lam were mighty men of valour, archers, and had many sons, and sons' sons, an hundred and fifty. All these are of the sons of Benjamin.I like your thinking Will. I read the Bible as a teenager, and came to the conclusion that much of it was completely indigestible. A bit like eating a nut with the shell on.
I think its hard not to get a lot from the New Testament whether you are a believer or not but lets face it- most of the Old Testament is a history of the trials and tribulation of an ancient race and what they made of it all. Thinking has moved on a little, luckily.
There's some great stories in the Bible, and I have no big issue with it. I went to Sunday school as a child, and I have enormous respect for the Love Thy Neighbour and Good Samaritan philosophy. I think there should be a lot more of it around. I just worry that a lot of rules and regulations have been dreamed up by many modern day Christians which are based on the lifestyles of very ancient peoples.
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I think the world would be a better place if folks who do believe that the bible is the word of God would in fact read it cover to cover.
Repeatedly
Silently
In their own homes
And keep their "knowledge" to themselves.
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No I have not read the whole bible.
Amanda Severn wrote:
Will Apse wrote:
Amanda Severn wrote:
I like your thinking Will. I read the Bible as a teenager, and came to the conclusion that much of it was completely indigestible. A bit like eating a nut with the shell on.I think its hard not to get a lot from the New Testament whether you are a believer or not but lets face it- most of the Old Testament is a history of the trials and tribulation of an ancient race and what they made of it all. Thinking has moved on a little, luckily.
There's some great stories in the Bible, and I have no big issue with it. I went to Sunday school as a child, and I have enormous respect for the Love Thy Neighbour and Good Samaritan philosophy. I think there should be a lot more of it around. I just worry that a lot of rules and regulations have been dreamed up by many modern day Christians which are based on the lifestyles of very ancient peoples.
What's weird... and here is why I unashamedly love Gods word: i just today I was reading in the book of John and underlined this verse from chapter 5: (Jesus is talking to the jews who were doubting him)"His voice you have never heard his form you have never seen, and you do not have his word abiding in you for you do not believe the one he has sent!"
So Evolution guy is right when he says that reading the Bible when you already have chosen to believe causes the Word to make sense!
Before I truly turned my life over to God, I read the bible many times and it was like eating straw. blah! But when I quit running from God and chose instead to believe and follow Him, suddenly the Bible came alive!!Several times.
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I've read it through several times and continually study it still. I have seen the reasoning behind every argument for and against and understand the controversies. First I am amazed at how many Christians focus on and quote the OT, when it really has little to do with their present faith, outside of some family lines and prophetic readings by some prophets. Beyond that its the history of the Hebrew people, and much of its teachings do come into conflict with Christs message and contradict them.
Second I am even more amazed at how few people I meet that have read anything from the NT other then John 3:16. There are literally whole books in the NT filled with more meaningful and eloquent passages that sum up God's love. There are plenty of passages that condemn most of the judgmental condescension displayed on these very forums that are never quoted. I wonder why.
Third my Christian friends you do understand that there is more to the NT then Revelations and The Gospel of John right? Ever read James, or Ephesians? How about Galatians, and Hebrews? I read many posts on here from believers who have obviously never taken the time to internalize the many thousands of words on what it means to live as a Christian, not just talk about it. Just an observation, and I could be wrong.
