Ft. Hood shooter linked to al-Qaeda
mikelong wrote:
Also, the Marine whom I spoke of from the Dominican Republic, for all intensive purposes, was African-American.
Do we forget that black slaves left the west African Coast bound for the Dominican Republic (Spanish colony of Hispaniola), Cuba, and the colonies that would become the United States?
When this man becomes an American citizen, which he will if he hasn't already, what "ethnicity" box would he check?
"Dominican Republic" doesn't work....... So, shut up the ignorant babble and start using critical thinking skills. Anything less is a waste of brain matter..Why are you giving all these people excuses??? Why can't these non-citizens take the citizenship test??? If they are willing to die for the U.S., they should have no problem becoming a citizen.
End of story.
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mikelong wrote:
Operation Northwoods.........
So you think maybe this was a staged act of terrorism? You think that the suspect would still be alive if this was the case? I think your "critical thinking" skills have done you a disservice!
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TimTurner wrote:
mikelong wrote:
Also, the Marine whom I spoke of from the Dominican Republic, for all intensive purposes, was African-American.
Do we forget that black slaves left the west African Coast bound for the Dominican Republic (Spanish colony of Hispaniola), Cuba, and the colonies that would become the United States?
When this man becomes an American citizen, which he will if he hasn't already, what "ethnicity" box would he check?
"Dominican Republic" doesn't work....... So, shut up the ignorant babble and start using critical thinking skills. Anything less is a waste of brain matter..Why are you giving all these people excuses??? Why can't these non-citizens take the citizenship test??? If they are willing to die for the U.S., they should have no problem becoming a citizen.
End of story.Yeah
TimTurner wrote:
mikelong wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
I'm sure that most of the "Blacks", "Asians" and "Hispanics" you served with were American citizens. I don't know many African Americans who are actually from Africa.
And, unfortunately, with the new world of terrorism, we need to be stricter with who joins our military. Things need to change.
We can't even watch over our own citizens, much less foreigners in our military. Makes no sense to me in this day and age.You seem to miss my point. The people whom I mentioned from South Korea, the Dominican Republic, and elsewhere speaks to the diminished whiteness of the military....
Secondly, it is wrong to associate terrorism with foreignors solely....and quite misguided.
Also, read Operation Northwoods....then we can have a real conversation about military policies, national security, nationality, and terrorism...I don't care about the "whiteness" of the military, as you put it. I'm talking about non-U.S. citizens. White has nothing to do with it. I don't want Russian non-U.S. citizens in our military.
We can't live with past rules. We have to change and adapt to the current times. Terrorism is our new enemy, not Russia or China. They even have their own terrorist groups after them.
We have to screen our military more than before or we'll have more of these incidents happening. Yes, this Ft. Hood dude was a U.S. citizen but his actions showed he sympathized with terrorist ideologies. Our government did not watch him as closely as they should've.
Maybe there were too busy keeping tabs on non-citizen troops who were doing suspicious stuff to worry about this other dude.
Let's cut down our worries and only enlist U.S. citizens.I guess you don't read the papers.......military enlistment is suffering, and American citizens are not as willing to participate anymore......
Aside from ongoing economic distress and the collapse of public education, at least in California, on the home front, how does the military complex drum up the ever increasing numbers that it demands???
Supply and demand coupled to desire of the individual youth to either enlish or not......
There is a point when reality sets in...
Plus I suppose no one here knows what the School of the Americas is and what its graduates have been up to....all financed by your tax dollars.....
Terrorism?
....I call it ignorance..
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TimTurner wrote:
mikelong wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
I'm sure that most of the "Blacks", "Asians" and "Hispanics" you served with were American citizens. I don't know many African Americans who are actually from Africa.
And, unfortunately, with the new world of terrorism, we need to be stricter with who joins our military. Things need to change.
We can't even watch over our own citizens, much less foreigners in our military. Makes no sense to me in this day and age.You seem to miss my point. The people whom I mentioned from South Korea, the Dominican Republic, and elsewhere speaks to the diminished whiteness of the military....
Secondly, it is wrong to associate terrorism with foreignors solely....and quite misguided.
Also, read Operation Northwoods....then we can have a real conversation about military policies, national security, nationality, and terrorism...I don't care about the "whiteness" of the military, as you put it. I'm talking about non-U.S. citizens. White has nothing to do with it. I don't want Russian non-U.S. citizens in our military.
We can't live with past rules. We have to change and adapt to the current times. Terrorism is our new enemy, not Russia or China. They even have their own terrorist groups after them.
We have to screen our military more than before or we'll have more of these incidents happening. Yes, this Ft. Hood dude was a U.S. citizen but his actions showed he sympathized with terrorist ideologies. Our government did not watch him as closely as they should've.
Maybe there were too busy keeping tabs on non-citizen troops who were doing suspicious stuff to worry about this other dude.
Let's cut down our worries and only enlist U.S. citizens.will it solve the problem, this is not a problem of race or whatever, or terrorism, it is a psychological problem, and all sorts of people can be affected, whether you are a US citizen or not, Many military men have traumatic experiences brought by training, field battle or inner turmoil. There was an interview yesterday in CNN and the US colonel said that there is a rise in cases of psychological problem in the military.
mikelong wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
mikelong wrote:
You seem to miss my point. The people whom I mentioned from South Korea, the Dominican Republic, and elsewhere speaks to the diminished whiteness of the military....
Secondly, it is wrong to associate terrorism with foreignors solely....and quite misguided.
Also, read Operation Northwoods....then we can have a real conversation about military policies, national security, nationality, and terrorism...I don't care about the "whiteness" of the military, as you put it. I'm talking about non-U.S. citizens. White has nothing to do with it. I don't want Russian non-U.S. citizens in our military.
We can't live with past rules. We have to change and adapt to the current times. Terrorism is our new enemy, not Russia or China. They even have their own terrorist groups after them.
We have to screen our military more than before or we'll have more of these incidents happening. Yes, this Ft. Hood dude was a U.S. citizen but his actions showed he sympathized with terrorist ideologies. Our government did not watch him as closely as they should've.
Maybe there were too busy keeping tabs on non-citizen troops who were doing suspicious stuff to worry about this other dude.
Let's cut down our worries and only enlist U.S. citizens.I guess you don't read the papers.......military enlistment is suffering, and American citizens are not as willing to participate anymore......
Aside from ongoing economic distress and the collapse of public education, at least in California, on the home front, how does the military complex drum up the ever increasing numbers that it demands???
Supply and demand coupled to desire of the individual youth to either enlish or not......
There is a point when reality sets in...
Plus I suppose no one here knows what the School of the Americas is and what its graduates have been up to....all financed by your tax dollars.....
Terrorism?
....I call it ignorance..
You don't read the same papers I do. Enlistment has been on an all-time high with the Air Force and Army hitting their goals in record time.
Not sure where you're getting your info.
But it's ok to recruit questionable people, according to you, just to make goals. That will surely protect us!Madame X wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
mikelong wrote:
Also, the Marine whom I spoke of from the Dominican Republic, for all intensive purposes, was African-American.
Do we forget that black slaves left the west African Coast bound for the Dominican Republic (Spanish colony of Hispaniola), Cuba, and the colonies that would become the United States?
When this man becomes an American citizen, which he will if he hasn't already, what "ethnicity" box would he check?
"Dominican Republic" doesn't work....... So, shut up the ignorant babble and start using critical thinking skills. Anything less is a waste of brain matter..Why are you giving all these people excuses??? Why can't these non-citizens take the citizenship test??? If they are willing to die for the U.S., they should have no problem becoming a citizen.
End of story.Yeah
Can I give you a citizenship test and see if you pass?
Can I revoke your citizenship if you don't and give it to someone who is willing to learn?
African-Americans were serving in the military long before they were considered citizens, as did Mexicans, Japanese, and many others.....of course, what does citizen mean anyway, aside from being subject to the protections of the Constitution of the United States, right?
"These people"?
Why don't we have a discussion about the Dominican Republic, Mexico, South Korea, Vietnam, or the many places that American military recruits come from and see what American backed forces and industries have left for "these people".
Again....xenophobia plus ignorance equals misguided perceptions of things like terrorism.
Look at the recent settlement paid out by Shell Oil to the Ogoni in Nigeria.....
Terrorism?
Think about where your gas dollars go....
Terrorism??
Read the March 2006 Citigroup memo detailing why, in our American plutonomy, the price of oil will increase in the future....and then realize that "these people" is the clasification that they pass down on to you....
All this can be found easily online....and then there is Operation Northwoods.........I believe it mentions something about "developing a Cuban Communist Terror Campaign in the Miami and Washington areas" as well as other places........
How does one "develop" such a thing....especially when the publisher is the Department of Defense....
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prettydarkhorse wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
mikelong wrote:
You seem to miss my point. The people whom I mentioned from South Korea, the Dominican Republic, and elsewhere speaks to the diminished whiteness of the military....
Secondly, it is wrong to associate terrorism with foreignors solely....and quite misguided.
Also, read Operation Northwoods....then we can have a real conversation about military policies, national security, nationality, and terrorism...I don't care about the "whiteness" of the military, as you put it. I'm talking about non-U.S. citizens. White has nothing to do with it. I don't want Russian non-U.S. citizens in our military.
We can't live with past rules. We have to change and adapt to the current times. Terrorism is our new enemy, not Russia or China. They even have their own terrorist groups after them.
We have to screen our military more than before or we'll have more of these incidents happening. Yes, this Ft. Hood dude was a U.S. citizen but his actions showed he sympathized with terrorist ideologies. Our government did not watch him as closely as they should've.
Maybe there were too busy keeping tabs on non-citizen troops who were doing suspicious stuff to worry about this other dude.
Let's cut down our worries and only enlist U.S. citizens.will it solve the problem, this is not a problem of race or whatever, or terrorism, it is a psychological problem, and all sorts of people can be affected, whether you are a US citizen or not, Many military men have traumatic experiences brought by training, field battle or inner turmoil. There was an interview yesterday in CNN and the US colonel said that there is a rise in cases of psychological problem in the military.
What better way for a terrorist to obtain the needed combat skills than to enlist in the US Military? I don't think the problem is so much the NON US citizen factor than it is relaxing rules to provide warm bodies to serve. Gang members have been joining the military for these reasons why is it so hard to accept terrorist are doing the same thing?
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A Texan wrote:
mikelong wrote:
Operation Northwoods.........
So you think maybe this was a staged act of terrorism? You think that the suspect would still be alive if this was the case? I think your "critical thinking" skills have done you a disservice!
Actually, being "staged" is probably the only "reason" he is
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Madame X wrote:
Uninvited Writer wrote:
Madame X wrote:
Did you know that attempted murder is just as bad as murder? At least the law says so.But al-Qaeda did not recruit him, he tried to get their blessing and obviously failed.
Of course, it was a horrendous crime and he should be punished for it...as he will be.Why go to them for "a blessing"? Obviously because of what they stand for - it was in line with his sick thinking, which was fanned by the same Imam who preached to the 9/11 terrorists. Why are you being so obtuse about this?
I am not. Obviously he decided to do this...and thought he would join them after the fact. There is a difference you know.
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Madame X wrote:
A Texan wrote:
mikelong wrote:
Operation Northwoods.........
So you think maybe this was a staged act of terrorism? You think that the suspect would still be alive if this was the case? I think your "critical thinking" skills have done you a disservice!
Actually, being "staged" is probably the only "reason" he is
If it was staged I guarantee he would be dead! Can you say Lee Harvey Oswald?
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mikelong wrote:
Madame X wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
Why are you giving all these people excuses??? Why can't these non-citizens take the citizenship test??? If they are willing to die for the U.S., they should have no problem becoming a citizen.
End of story.Yeah
Can I give you a citizenship test and see if you pass?
Can I revoke your citizenship if you don't and give it to someone who is willing to learn?What are you talking about? The point here is one of loyalty and how to prove it. Becoming a citizen goes a long way toward that. Nobody cares what color they are.
Well, after decreasing their enlistment goals for the year, I do believe that the Army will show a filled quota....
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A Texan wrote:
prettydarkhorse wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
I don't care about the "whiteness" of the military, as you put it. I'm talking about non-U.S. citizens. White has nothing to do with it. I don't want Russian non-U.S. citizens in our military.
We can't live with past rules. We have to change and adapt to the current times. Terrorism is our new enemy, not Russia or China. They even have their own terrorist groups after them.
We have to screen our military more than before or we'll have more of these incidents happening. Yes, this Ft. Hood dude was a U.S. citizen but his actions showed he sympathized with terrorist ideologies. Our government did not watch him as closely as they should've.
Maybe there were too busy keeping tabs on non-citizen troops who were doing suspicious stuff to worry about this other dude.
Let's cut down our worries and only enlist U.S. citizens.will it solve the problem, this is not a problem of race or whatever, or terrorism, it is a psychological problem, and all sorts of people can be affected, whether you are a US citizen or not, Many military men have traumatic experiences brought by training, field battle or inner turmoil. There was an interview yesterday in CNN and the US colonel said that there is a rise in cases of psychological problem in the military.
What better way for a terrorist to obtain the needed combat skills than to enlist in the US Military? I don't think the problem is so much the NON US citizen factor than it is relaxing rules to provide warm bodies to serve. Gang members have been joining the military for these reasons why is it so hard to accept terrorist are doing the same thing?
yes, your probably right, we dont exactly know how many of them have joined the US military already....I dont know the screening process in the military......specially for those who have tendencies to be suicidal or terroristic ones, maybe a consistent follow up is needed and they should not disregard small and initial problems when they noticed that something is wrong with a military man.
mikelong wrote:
Madame X wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
Why are you giving all these people excuses??? Why can't these non-citizens take the citizenship test??? If they are willing to die for the U.S., they should have no problem becoming a citizen.
End of story.Yeah
Can I give you a citizenship test and see if you pass?
Can I revoke your citizenship if you don't and give it to someone who is willing to learn?
African-Americans were serving in the military long before they were considered citizens, as did Mexicans, Japanese, and many others.....of course, what does citizen mean anyway, aside from being subject to the protections of the Constitution of the United States, right?
"These people"?
Why don't we have a discussion about the Dominican Republic, Mexico, South Korea, Vietnam, or the many places that American military recruits come from and see what American backed forces and industries have left for "these people".
Again....xenophobia plus ignorance equals misguided perceptions of things like terrorism.
Look at the recent settlement paid out by Shell Oil to the Ogoni in Nigeria.....
Terrorism?
Think about where your gas dollars go....
Terrorism??
Read the March 2006 Citigroup memo detailing why, in our American plutonomy, the price of oil will increase in the future....and then realize that "these people" is the clasification that they pass down on to you....
All this can be found easily online....and then there is Operation Northwoods.........I believe it mentions something about "developing a Cuban Communist Terror Campaign in the Miami and Washington areas" as well as other places........
How does one "develop" such a thing....especially when the publisher is the Department of Defense....
Critical thinking skills anyone?How many times do I need to say this...THE RULES NEED TO CHANGE so quit bringing up the past dude!
Yes, great we allowed non-citizens in during the past. Great!
But guess what? Times need to change.
Quit bringing up past military practices. I'm not arguing that dude.
And yes I can pass a citizenship test because I helped my friend pass his and studied with him for weeks. Yes it's hard but who cares??? I want it to be hard. So you must be implying that it's easier to pass the military tests than a citizenship test.
Geez dude...keep bringing the excuses to allow non-citizens in the military. What is so wrong with them being citizens???- 82
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Uninvited Writer wrote:
But al-Qaeda did not recruit him, he tried to get their blessing and obviously failed.
Of course, it was a horrendous crime and he should be punished for it...as he will be.Why go to them for "a blessing"? Obviously because of what they stand for - it was in line with his sick thinking, which was fanned by the same Imam who preached to the 9/11 terrorists. Why are you being so obtuse about this?
I am not. Obviously he decided to do this...and thought he would join them after the fact. There is a difference you know.
So, you're saying that because he came around to the muslim jihad way of thinking after he joined the military that it wasn't terrorism? Or not an act of either war or treason against the US because of when he decided to act?
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prettydarkhorse wrote:
A Texan wrote:
prettydarkhorse wrote:
will it solve the problem, this is not a problem of race or whatever, or terrorism, it is a psychological problem, and all sorts of people can be affected, whether you are a US citizen or not, Many military men have traumatic experiences brought by training, field battle or inner turmoil. There was an interview yesterday in CNN and the US colonel said that there is a rise in cases of psychological problem in the military.What better way for a terrorist to obtain the needed combat skills than to enlist in the US Military? I don't think the problem is so much the NON US citizen factor than it is relaxing rules to provide warm bodies to serve. Gang members have been joining the military for these reasons why is it so hard to accept terrorist are doing the same thing?
yes, your probably right, we dont exactly know how many of them have joined the US military already....I dont know the screening process in the military......specially for those who have tendencies to be suicidal or terroristic ones, maybe a consistent follow up is needed and they should not disregard small and initial problems when they noticed that something is wrong with a military man.
Kinda scary if you think about it, our Justice Dept is so worried about returning veterans when they possibly should be worried about current soldiers/Marines/sailors/airman
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A Texan wrote:
prettydarkhorse wrote:
A Texan wrote:
What better way for a terrorist to obtain the needed combat skills than to enlist in the US Military? I don't think the problem is so much the NON US citizen factor than it is relaxing rules to provide warm bodies to serve. Gang members have been joining the military for these reasons why is it so hard to accept terrorist are doing the same thing?
yes, your probably right, we dont exactly know how many of them have joined the US military already....I dont know the screening process in the military......specially for those who have tendencies to be suicidal or terroristic ones, maybe a consistent follow up is needed and they should not disregard small and initial problems when they noticed that something is wrong with a military man.
Kinda scary if you think about it, our Justice Dept is so worried about returning veterans when they possibly should be worried about current soldiers/Marines/sailors/airman
yes they should concentrate on the screening process and psychological testing and more money should be pored into these things.
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mikelong wrote:
Madame X wrote:
YeahCan I give you a citizenship test and see if you pass?
Can I revoke your citizenship if you don't and give it to someone who is willing to learn?What are you talking about? The point here is one of loyalty and how to prove it. Becoming a citizen goes a long way toward that. Nobody cares what color they are.
I disagree.
I don't believe that citizenship signifies loyalty at all....it is simply something touted like a status symbol....something that most Americans take for granted because they randomly happened to be born here.... Do we discriminate against those who have been given a different status based off something out of human control?
Doesn't this distrust of others work only to undermine our ability to diffuse the social, political, and economic inequalities arbitrarily set up by nationality status, and even exacerbate discontent against America??
And all we will contine to say to places like the Dominican Republic and elsewhere is "we will establish ourselves in your nation, and benefit from your human and natural resources, and cut off from you a path to move out of the status that we have helped create......I guess if you're from the Dominican Republic you might as well work really hard at baseball....then your citizenship won't matter.....
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Madame X wrote:
Uninvited Writer wrote:
Madame X wrote:
Why go to them for "a blessing"? Obviously because of what they stand for - it was in line with his sick thinking, which was fanned by the same Imam who preached to the 9/11 terrorists. Why are you being so obtuse about this?I am not. Obviously he decided to do this...and thought he would join them after the fact. There is a difference you know.
So, you're saying that because he came around to the muslim jihad way of thinking after he joined the military that it wasn't terrorism? Or not an act of either war or treason against the US because of when he decided to act?
Yes I am... I still believe this guy snapped and did not join the army and make his way to Major just so he would do this one day.
I do believe he should get the full punishment that is coming to him. I'm certainly not trying to justify what he did.
