God
Perhaps we look through the eyes of others rather than our own. All scienctific and religious proof is incremental. We see or imagine, we wonder, we observe and we prove what is in our physical/mental/spriritual presence.
The things we do not know or cannot prove still have existance, although not necessarily an existance that we can see with our eyes or touch with our hands.
The existance is in our minds and consists of the questions we form in our thoughts.
The proof is incremental, as is the lack of proof.
Just as all truths are incremental.
The problem is, my proofs are not yours.
What I have incrementally discovered about me is not what you will discover about you.
I can prove the existance of God only to myself and cannot be swayed by anothers lack of proof.
For me, God consists of all that IS.
The wind in my face, the fear in my heart, the sound of a babies laughter, the tears and the joy, what I can see and what I can feel and what is invisible to my physical senses. God is what I can imagine, God is my questions and my quest. If God is only my imagination, than God still exists weather in my belief or in my disbelief.
Life itself is God. Conciousness is God. Birth and death are God. All things are recycled and change form and substance, even my conciousness. What form, I ask?
Incremental.
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Incremental...
My disbelieve
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Twinklers wrote:
Perhaps we look through the eyes of others rather than our own. All scienctific and religious proof is incremental. We see or imagine, we wonder, we observe and we prove what is in our physical/mental/spriritual presence.
The things we do not know or cannot prove still have existance, although not necessarily an existance that we can see with our eyes or touch with our hands.
The existance is in our minds and consists of the questions we form in our thoughts.
The proof is incremental, as is the lack of proof.
Just as all truths are incremental.
The problem is, my proofs are not yours.
What I have incrementally discovered about me is not what you will discover about you.
I can prove the existance of God only to myself and cannot be swayed by anothers lack of proof.
For me, God consists of all that IS.
The wind in my face, the fear in my heart, the sound of a babies laughter, the tears and the joy, what I can see and what I can feel and what is invisible to my physical senses. God is what I can imagine, God is my questions and my quest. If God is only my imagination, than God still exists weather in my belief or in my disbelief.
Life itself is God. Conciousness is God. Birth and death are God. All things are recycled and change form and substance, even my conciousness. What form, I ask?
Incremental.
So - why the pointless post?
Does your God tell you what to do? Do you need some validation from some one?
Is "God" even the correct word for you to be using. Sounds as though "everything" would be more appropriate.Evolution Guy wrote:
Twinklers wrote:
Perhaps we look through the eyes of others rather than our own. All scienctific and religious proof is incremental. We see or imagine, we wonder, we observe and we prove what is in our physical/mental/spriritual presence.
The things we do not know or cannot prove still have existance, although not necessarily an existance that we can see with our eyes or touch with our hands.
The existance is in our minds and consists of the questions we form in our thoughts.
The proof is incremental, as is the lack of proof.
Just as all truths are incremental.
The problem is, my proofs are not yours.
What I have incrementally discovered about me is not what you will discover about you.
I can prove the existance of God only to myself and cannot be swayed by anothers lack of proof.
For me, God consists of all that IS.
The wind in my face, the fear in my heart, the sound of a babies laughter, the tears and the joy, what I can see and what I can feel and what is invisible to my physical senses. God is what I can imagine, God is my questions and my quest. If God is only my imagination, than God still exists weather in my belief or in my disbelief.
Life itself is God. Conciousness is God. Birth and death are God. All things are recycled and change form and substance, even my conciousness. What form, I ask?
Incremental.
So - why the pointless post?
Does your God tell you what to do? Do you need some validation from some one?
Is "God" even the correct word for you to be using. Sounds as though "everything" would be more appropriate.Who are you to criticize my truth?
You are free to call our existance whatever you choose, and if I choose to call MY existance 'God', what is that to you?
My life unfolds before me and God is MY interpretation of the unfolding.
Calling my post pointless is insulting and purposefully rude.I think what you just described is Nature, Perception or Reality. God?! Well if that's what you need to call everything.
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Twinklers wrote:
Evolution Guy wrote:
Twinklers wrote:
Perhaps we look through the eyes of others rather than our own. All scienctific and religious proof is incremental. We see or imagine, we wonder, we observe and we prove what is in our physical/mental/spriritual presence.
The things we do not know or cannot prove still have existance, although not necessarily an existance that we can see with our eyes or touch with our hands.
The existance is in our minds and consists of the questions we form in our thoughts.
The proof is incremental, as is the lack of proof.
Just as all truths are incremental.
The problem is, my proofs are not yours.
What I have incrementally discovered about me is not what you will discover about you.
I can prove the existance of God only to myself and cannot be swayed by anothers lack of proof.
For me, God consists of all that IS.
The wind in my face, the fear in my heart, the sound of a babies laughter, the tears and the joy, what I can see and what I can feel and what is invisible to my physical senses. God is what I can imagine, God is my questions and my quest. If God is only my imagination, than God still exists weather in my belief or in my disbelief.
Life itself is God. Conciousness is God. Birth and death are God. All things are recycled and change form and substance, even my conciousness. What form, I ask?
Incremental.
So - why the pointless post?
Does your God tell you what to do? Do you need some validation from some one?
Is "God" even the correct word for you to be using. Sounds as though "everything" would be more appropriate.Who are you to criticize my truth?
You are free to call our existance whatever you choose, and if I choose to call MY existance 'God', what is that to you?
My life unfolds before me and God is MY interpretation of the unfolding.
Calling my post pointless is insulting and purposefully rude.I do not see the point to your post. Especially when you are using a word that means something else. But - whatever knocks your socks off. As long as your God does not have any instructions for me and we agree does not exist in reality, that is fine. I don't care what you call your existence.
But MY "truth" is that your post was pointless.
As you cannot be bothered to explain - just get upset that MY truth is not the same as YOUR truth.
Actually - now you mention it - "God" seems to do that a lot so maybe you were right to use that word.
Its nice to believe. I have had similar feelings (the unity of existence the everything-ness) many times. It never occurred to me to associate it with a Christian God.
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Will Apse wrote:
Its nice to believe. I have had similar feelings (the unity of existence the everything-ness) many times. It never occurred to me to associate it with a Christian God.
Its an experience anyone in any culture can experience. Transcendence, religious ecstasy, oceanic feelings- all names for something many people experience.
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Evolution Guy wrote:
Twinklers wrote:
Perhaps we look through the eyes of others rather than our own. All scienctific and religious proof is incremental. We see or imagine, we wonder, we observe and we prove what is in our physical/mental/spriritual presence.
The things we do not know or cannot prove still have existance, although not necessarily an existance that we can see with our eyes or touch with our hands.
The existance is in our minds and consists of the questions we form in our thoughts.
The proof is incremental, as is the lack of proof.
Just as all truths are incremental.
The problem is, my proofs are not yours.
What I have incrementally discovered about me is not what you will discover about you.
I can prove the existance of God only to myself and cannot be swayed by anothers lack of proof.
For me, God consists of all that IS.
The wind in my face, the fear in my heart, the sound of a babies laughter, the tears and the joy, what I can see and what I can feel and what is invisible to my physical senses. God is what I can imagine, God is my questions and my quest. If God is only my imagination, than God still exists weather in my belief or in my disbelief.
Life itself is God. Conciousness is God. Birth and death are God. All things are recycled and change form and substance, even my conciousness. What form, I ask?
Incremental.
So - why the pointless post?
Does your God tell you what to do? Do you need some validation from some one?
Is "God" even the correct word for you to be using. Sounds as though "everything" would be more appropriate.getitrite wrote:
I think what you just described is Nature, Perception or Reality. God?! Well if that's what you need to call everything.
Why not?
I call existance God because it is alive and powerful and has no beginning or end that I am aware of.
I know for sure that I have no memory of calling myself into existance. The very fact that I need to know why I am here is counter-evolutionary. After many eons of death being a constant fact of life, why have we not evolved into acceptance of it?
Sure, survival instinct is built-in. But animals and plants never consider the presence of death before it is in their face and then they react to it according to their programming. (Not speaking of shelter or the need for food here).
We, on the other hand are aware of the 'end' from early on. We do get programmed with religious doctrine, some of which influences our preferred behaviour, but some gives protection to young minds to keep then from suffering extreme fear of their own end way before it comes.
I am not justifying any of it.
I just believe that God is not seperate from us, not perfect according to our concept of perfect, certainly not our protector. But there is order and we are part of that order. We don't know how we got here or where/if we go on after death. We know we are here now and I call that incremental truth.
The bible is not God's word, (in my humble opinion) we are Gods word. It a process and our awareness of the process either ends or continues at death, we simply do not know the whole story.Will Apse wrote:
Its nice to believe. I have had similar feelings (the unity of existence the everything-ness) many times. It never occurred to me to associate it with a Christian God.
Its an experience anyone in any culture can experience. Transcendence, religious ecstasy, oceanic feelings- all names for something many people experience.
I don't know that I am associating anything with a Christian God.
Yes, the experience of oneness with all that is would be a good description.Twinklers wrote:
getitrite wrote:
I think what you just described is Nature, Perception or Reality. God?! Well if that's what you need to call everything.
Why not?
I call existance God because it is alive and powerful and has no beginning or end that I am aware of.
I know for sure that I have no memory of calling myself into existance. The very fact that I need to know why I am here is counter-evolutionary. After many eons of death being a constant fact of life, why have we not evolved into acceptance of it?
Sure, survival instinct is built-in. But animals and plants never consider the presence of death before it is in their face and then they react to it according to their programming. (Not speaking of shelter or the need for food here).
We, on the other hand are aware of the 'end' from early on. We do get programmed with religious doctrine, some of which influences our preferred behaviour, but some gives protection to young minds to keep then from suffering extreme fear of their own end way before it comes.
I am not justifying any of it.
I just believe that God is not seperate from us, not perfect according to our concept of perfect, certainly not our protector. But there is order and we are part of that order. We don't know how we got here or where/if we go on after death. We know we are here now and I call that incremental truth.
The bible is not God's word, (in my humble opinion) we are Gods word. It a process and our awareness of the process either ends or continues at death, we simply do not know the whole story.
So I take it, you're not a religious person, per se?
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Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint and indeed I offer my respect for your views on God. However, when you envoked the 'We' aspect to your posting, who were you referring to?
Will, what do you call that experience? I think it's experiencing God. Does having that experience affect or change anything in your life or thinking? If it does or did, can you give any example of how it did? If not, what do you make of the experience?
getitrite wrote:
Twinklers wrote:
getitrite wrote:
I think what you just described is Nature, Perception or Reality. God?! Well if that's what you need to call everything.
Why not?
I call existance God because it is alive and powerful and has no beginning or end that I am aware of.
I know for sure that I have no memory of calling myself into existance. The very fact that I need to know why I am here is counter-evolutionary. After many eons of death being a constant fact of life, why have we not evolved into acceptance of it?
Sure, survival instinct is built-in. But animals and plants never consider the presence of death before it is in their face and then they react to it according to their programming. (Not speaking of shelter or the need for food here).
We, on the other hand are aware of the 'end' from early on. We do get programmed with religious doctrine, some of which influences our preferred behaviour, but some gives protection to young minds to keep then from suffering extreme fear of their own end way before it comes.
I am not justifying any of it.
I just believe that God is not seperate from us, not perfect according to our concept of perfect, certainly not our protector. But there is order and we are part of that order. We don't know how we got here or where/if we go on after death. We know we are here now and I call that incremental truth.
The bible is not God's word, (in my humble opinion) we are Gods word. It a process and our awareness of the process either ends or continues at death, we simply do not know the whole story.
So I take it, you're not a religious person, per se?
I guess I am a buffet sort of religious, LOL.
I don't accept any doctrine of fear and despise control freaks who use the concept of God to manipulate others for their own gain.
What works for me is this:
I take what I can use and leave the rest. And I NEVER imply that what I beleive is more or less valid then the next persons belief.
I will debate, but never criticise.Brian Leighton wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint and indeed I offer my respect for your views on God. However, when you envoked the 'We' aspect to your posting, who were you referring to?
The 'we' was just my passion carrying me away, proof-reading would slow me down a LOT!
Nothing personal!TMinut wrote:
Will, what do you call that experience? I think it's experiencing God. Does having that experience affect or change anything in your life or thinking? If it does or did, can you give any example of how it did? If not, what do you make of the experience?
I think its just another 'increment' of my lifes journey. I am just as frustrated as the next person with the silence that answers my prayers/meditations. Embracing the whole of existance as my God is simply my way dealing with that silence.
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Twinklers wrote:
Brian Leighton wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint and indeed I offer my respect for your views on God. However, when you envoked the 'We' aspect to your posting, who were you referring to?
The 'we' was just my passion carrying me away, proof-reading would slow me down a LOT!
Nothing personal!It's ok, no personal insult taken and thanks for your answer.
Twinklers, that's sad, there shouldn't be silence. I know what you mean but it doesn't have to be like that. For me, I know what leads to silence - I'm not very into intensity and God is definitely INTENSE. Often I choose to discuss, debate, and think about God and not experience his presence. Gets rather scary at times.
