"Schieffer on Palin: NO FUTURE IN POLITICS (CBS)
95- fishskinfreak2008
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Translation: Sarah Palin, stop dreaming about becoming president and go babysit Bristol Palin's child!
89- Poppa Blues
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fishskinfreak2008 wrote:
Translation: Sarah Palin, stop dreaming about becoming president and go babysit Bristol Palin's child!
Well I wouldn't count her out just because of what Bob Schieffer says.
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Poppa Blues wrote:
fishskinfreak2008 wrote:
Translation: Sarah Palin, stop dreaming about becoming president and go babysit Bristol Palin's child!
Well I wouldn't count her out just because of what Bob Schieffer says.
Schieffer is pretty reliable. More reliable than Dan Rather is anyway
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If she wins the nomination of the Republicans it will further bolster votes for Obama. If the Republican party wishes to change their destiny they have to come up with a good candidate. Even with all the disfavor "W" had in the 2004 election he beat Kerry. The Kerry platform seemed to say that he would not do much different only better. In other words the candidate of no ideas. McCain got branded the same way to a certain extent.
Palin would immediately polarize the Republican party as when she went on the ticket in 2008. There was almost an even split between the party constituency.
The Democrats are hoping this as a best case scenario that can be played out to re-elect Obama.
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rhamson wrote:
If she wins the nomination of the Republicans it will further bolster votes for Obama. If the Republican party wishes to change their destiny they have to come up with a good candidate. Even with all the disfavor "W" had in the 2004 election he beat Kerry. The Kerry platform seemed to say that he would not do much different only better. In other words the candidate of no ideas. McCain got branded the same way to a certain extent.
Palin would immediately polarize the Republican party as when she went on the ticket in 2008. There was almost an even split between the party constituency.
The Democrats are hoping this as a best case scenario that can be played out to re-elect Obama.Hate to say it, but I think you are actually right, here. Lot's of people who don't want to vote for Obama wouldn't vote for Palin, based on convos I've had about it.
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Well I don't agree. 2012 is a long way from here and by then Obama will have made such a mess of the American economy, the republicans could put up anyone and win. Obama will be a 1 term president.
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Jeffrey Neal wrote:
rhamson wrote:
If she wins the nomination of the Republicans it will further bolster votes for Obama. If the Republican party wishes to change their destiny they have to come up with a good candidate. Even with all the disfavor "W" had in the 2004 election he beat Kerry. The Kerry platform seemed to say that he would not do much different only better. In other words the candidate of no ideas. McCain got branded the same way to a certain extent.
Palin would immediately polarize the Republican party as when she went on the ticket in 2008. There was almost an even split between the party constituency.
The Democrats are hoping this as a best case scenario that can be played out to re-elect Obama.Hate to say it, but I think you are actually right, here. Lot's of people who don't want to vote for Obama wouldn't vote for Palin, based on convos I've had about it.
While I am not a member of either party I do wish we would get some better choices from them if they are the ones to offer the leading candidates. The peculiar part about this whole process is that while the nominated candidates vie for votes from either party the Independent vote is getting harder for them to appeal too. This may be a result of party platforms being too rigid or not relevant to the issues but it should be a wake up call. The Independents are becomming larger and a three party election may loom in the future because of their bungeling.
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The one point about Palin that analysts agree on is that she is woefully underqualified and a very loose cannon. Romney thinks he has a shot at 2012, but I don't think his money can buy the candicacy, and I think he will only continue to show he is noncommittal to anything except his own agenda of gaining power in addition to his wealth. (That and the Mormon issue. Mormons continue to lose credibility over all on so many issues.)
There may be a dark horse that will appear in the Republican party. Someone may yet be savvy enough to see the mess and the opportunity and create an additional stir as Obama did. However, that person must be mightily shrewd and incredibly connected. I don't see that happening, because I don't see "God's Only Begotten Daughter" (Oprah) backing anyone but Obama in coming times.
It is a mess that will likely not unravel easily. But the one thing I'm sure of is that the red-neck approach of Sarah Palin and her reckless, flippant remarks are costing her ground on a daily basis.
That is as it should be.- 89
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rhamson wrote:
Jeffrey Neal wrote:
rhamson wrote:
If she wins the nomination of the Republicans it will further bolster votes for Obama. If the Republican party wishes to change their destiny they have to come up with a good candidate. Even with all the disfavor "W" had in the 2004 election he beat Kerry. The Kerry platform seemed to say that he would not do much different only better. In other words the candidate of no ideas. McCain got branded the same way to a certain extent.
Palin would immediately polarize the Republican party as when she went on the ticket in 2008. There was almost an even split between the party constituency.
The Democrats are hoping this as a best case scenario that can be played out to re-elect Obama.Hate to say it, but I think you are actually right, here. Lot's of people who don't want to vote for Obama wouldn't vote for Palin, based on convos I've had about it.
While I am not a member of either party I do wish we would get some better choices from them if they are the ones to offer the leading candidates. The peculiar part about this whole process is that while the nominated candidates vie for votes from either party the Independent vote is getting harder for them to appeal too. This may be a result of party platforms being too rigid or not relevant to the issues but it should be a wake up call. The Independents are becomming larger and a three party election may loom in the future because of their bungeling.
That's why I think it could be an issue. Lots of people didn't think GW Bush would be re-elected. I hope BO is a one and done candidate, but the independents are the wild card.
A multi-party election is something I wish for, but it would be a double-edged sword by splitting up middle and conservative votes. We had the exact same thing happen here in a mayoral election with a 4 term incumbent leaving and the top two candidates lost to a third (who is more of the same and part of the established power circle) due to vote splits. - 42
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Jeffrey Neal wrote:
rhamson wrote:
Jeffrey Neal wrote:
Hate to say it, but I think you are actually right, here. Lot's of people who don't want to vote for Obama wouldn't vote for Palin, based on convos I've had about it.
While I am not a member of either party I do wish we would get some better choices from them if they are the ones to offer the leading candidates. The peculiar part about this whole process is that while the nominated candidates vie for votes from either party the Independent vote is getting harder for them to appeal too. This may be a result of party platforms being too rigid or not relevant to the issues but it should be a wake up call. The Independents are becomming larger and a three party election may loom in the future because of their bungeling.
That's why I think it could be an issue. Lots of people didn't think GW Bush would be re-elected. I hope BO is a one and done candidate, but the independents are the wild card.
A multi-party election is something I wish for, but it would be a double-edged sword by splitting up middle and conservative votes. We had the exact same thing happen here in a mayoral election with a 4 term incumbent leaving and the top two candidates lost to a third (who is more of the same and part of the established power circle) due to vote splits.Granted that awful results could follow some of these elections perhaps voting on issues other than party power and influence may make this a true democracy eventually. A hard pill to swallow but if the result is getting self rule back it may be one we should endure.
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Daniel Carter wrote:
The one point about Palin that analysts agree on is that she is woefully underqualified and a very loose cannon. Romney thinks he has a shot at 2012, but I don't think his money can buy the candicacy, and I think he will only continue to show he is noncommittal to anything except his own agenda of gaining power in addition to his wealth. (That and the Mormon issue. Mormons continue to lose credibility over all on so many issues.)
There may be a dark horse that will appear in the Republican party. Someone may yet be savvy enough to see the mess and the opportunity and create an additional stir as Obama did. However, that person must be mightily shrewd and incredibly connected. I don't see that happening, because I don't see "God's Only Begotten Daughter" (Oprah) backing anyone but Obama in coming times.
It is a mess that will likely not unravel easily. But the one thing I'm sure of is that the red-neck approach of Sarah Palin and her reckless, flippant remarks are costing her ground on a daily basis.
That is as it should be.Yeah, I think most will see through Romney. He's more of the same. Palin appeals to people the same way Bush did in his first run because she seems less a part of the political establishment. She will get a lot of votes if she ran, make no mistake, but would it be enough to win? It depends on if middle Americans, who haven't been participating but are now getting anxious, decide to flood the polls the way a segment of Obama's supporters did.
As for her being unqualified, a governor has more experience with the moving parts of gov't than a freshman Senator, so I don't know that it makes that much of a difference...just my lowly opinion.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your comment on Oprah, though. Forgive my ignorance, but is she a major factor for upcoming elections? - 42
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Jeffrey Neal wrote:
Daniel Carter wrote:
The one point about Palin that analysts agree on is that she is woefully underqualified and a very loose cannon. Romney thinks he has a shot at 2012, but I don't think his money can buy the candicacy, and I think he will only continue to show he is noncommittal to anything except his own agenda of gaining power in addition to his wealth. (That and the Mormon issue. Mormons continue to lose credibility over all on so many issues.)
There may be a dark horse that will appear in the Republican party. Someone may yet be savvy enough to see the mess and the opportunity and create an additional stir as Obama did. However, that person must be mightily shrewd and incredibly connected. I don't see that happening, because I don't see "God's Only Begotten Daughter" (Oprah) backing anyone but Obama in coming times.
It is a mess that will likely not unravel easily. But the one thing I'm sure of is that the red-neck approach of Sarah Palin and her reckless, flippant remarks are costing her ground on a daily basis.
That is as it should be.Yeah, I think most will see through Romney. He's more of the same. Palin appeals to people the same way Bush did in his first run because she seems less a part of the political establishment. She will get a lot of votes if she ran, make no mistake, but would it be enough to win? It depends on if middle Americans, who haven't been participating but are now getting anxious, decide to flood the polls the way a segment of Obama's supporters did.
As for her being unqualified, a governor has more experience with the moving parts of gov't than a freshman Senator, so I don't know that it makes that much of a difference...just my lowly opinion.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your comment on Oprah, though. Forgive my ignorance, but is she a major factor for upcoming elections?I think you are correct in assuming there will be some support for her but I think America will have a hard time with her record as Govenor of Alaska. The allegations and early departure from office whether related or not will have voters wondering if she is a competent choice regardless of her executive experience.
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fishskinfreak2008 wrote:
Translation: Sarah Palin, stop dreaming about becoming president and go babysit Bristol Palin's child!
if I could just get past that shrill, whiny voice of hers...
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I can't get past any part of her~~ ever.
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yeah shooting wolves from helicopters and cuttin' down moose doesn't set well with me...
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Endorsements are huge in voting years. Endorsements line people up behind those who share similar opinions as themselves. Oprah carries a lot of power. (It was her who filled the stadium in support of Obama, not Obama.) I believe that's one reason why Obama stole the show last year.
Palin will have a hard time in collecting endorsements that really matter enough to sway general votes. She is too specialized, and too renegade. However, she makes for a wonderfully entertaining distraction. She'll always get lots of press time because of that.- 96
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I'm glad she used a ghostwriter for her book, otherwise it could very well have been called "Going ROUGE".
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What amazes me about the Sarah Palin phenomena is the acceptance she recieves by intelligent women who rally to her gender rather than the substance of her words. As a woman I would be offended by the party that promulgates this activity.
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rhamson wrote:
What amazes me about the Sarah Palin phenomena is the acceptance she recieves by intelligent women who rally to her gender rather than the substance of her words. As a woman I would be offended by the party that promulgates this activity.
Now you lost me. You think Hillary's support was solely based on "the substance of her words"?
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cosette wrote:
I'm glad she used a ghostwriter for her book, otherwise it could very well have been called "Going ROUGE".
