If religion is fantasy, isn't atheism irrelevant?
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If your belief system is irrelevant isn't it time to face the music?
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Irrelevant to what? You either believe or you don't...
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maybe different belief system is good, you can be a founder of a new one
Religion is only a fantasy when there is someone who can reason and explain why it's a fantasy. Otherwise us dumb humans are known to swallow anything that is spoon-fed to us by authority.
Unfortunately, fantasy IS human reality. Every individual lives in their own reality. Only Mother Nature and Father Universe live in "actuality" - yes, us humans anthropomorphize the cosmos as well :-)
Atheism will cease to exist when theism ceases to exist. Who wants to hold their breath?
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I like to face the music when I'm listening to a live band!
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It's really only irrelevant to you. As fatfist implied, your mind is your reality. So if you're a believer, then atheism is irrelevant. If you're an atheist, then believing is irrelevant. What's in your mind is your reality. If you want your reality to change, you change your mind first.
This way you can be right about anything in your head. So we get these wild, justified opinions that have extremely little fact to them. It's only by evidence and facts that we are proven wrong in our opinions. And as far as religion and atheism go, the facts are not that great on either side, otherwise, there would be more agreement and less opinion.- C.J. Wright
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
If your belief system is irrelevant isn't it time to face the music?
Too bad huh?
No religionist liberal haters = No atheists.
Capiche? Too hard a concept to grasp? Allow me:
No religionists saying jeebus sed liberals am idiots = no atheists sent to educate them.
fatfist wrote:
Religion is only a fantasy when there is someone who can reason and explain why it's a fantasy. Otherwise us dumb humans are known to swallow anything that is spoon-fed to us by authority.
Unfortunately, fantasy IS human reality. Every individual lives in their own reality. Only Mother Nature and Father Universe live in "actuality" - yes, us humans anthropomorphize the cosmos as well :-)
Atheism will cease to exist when theism ceases to exist. Who wants to hold their breath?Too bad there is no one who can reason and explain Christianity away. There's alot of rhetoric from non believers, but no solid evidence that the Bible is false and a ton that suggests it is.
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UPStar wrote:
fatfist wrote:
Religion is only a fantasy when there is someone who can reason and explain why it's a fantasy. Otherwise us dumb humans are known to swallow anything that is spoon-fed to us by authority.
Unfortunately, fantasy IS human reality. Every individual lives in their own reality. Only Mother Nature and Father Universe live in "actuality" - yes, us humans anthropomorphize the cosmos as well :-)
Atheism will cease to exist when theism ceases to exist. Who wants to hold their breath?Too bad there is no one who can reason and explain Christianity away. There's alot of rhetoric from non believers, but no solid evidence that the Bible is false and a ton that suggests it is.
No. None actually.
Too bad your beliefs have been proven to be garbage. Oh well - maybe if you say there is proof a few more times? IDK - might make you feel better. A ton? A ton of what?
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Evolution Guy wrote:
UPStar wrote:
fatfist wrote:
Religion is only a fantasy when there is someone who can reason and explain why it's a fantasy. Otherwise us dumb humans are known to swallow anything that is spoon-fed to us by authority.
Unfortunately, fantasy IS human reality. Every individual lives in their own reality. Only Mother Nature and Father Universe live in "actuality" - yes, us humans anthropomorphize the cosmos as well :-)
Atheism will cease to exist when theism ceases to exist. Who wants to hold their breath?Too bad there is no one who can reason and explain Christianity away. There's alot of rhetoric from non believers, but no solid evidence that the Bible is false and a ton that suggests it is.
No. None actually.
Too bad your beliefs have been proven to be garbage. Oh well - maybe if you say there is proof a few more times? IDK - might make you feel better. A ton? A ton of what?
Can you say broken record? MARK, Why you hiding behind this guise anyway?
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Well my point being with out us religionists your banter is irrelevant. You can't be against something that doesn't exist if you are then it must exist. The other option is you're a bunch of freaking lunatics that need a hobby. Touching yourself is not a hobby!
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If the bible is indeed fact and not fantasy, then you believe that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Old Testament with little more than a few pieced together documents to trace the history of the people so that they would understand why they were going to the new promised land. Clearly much was missing since this was done somewhere around the 15th century BC or as some might propose around the 6th century BC.
Somehow I find that hard to accept since he wasn't there to begin with and the record keeping was pretty much wiped clean except for what was supposedly with Noah on the ark. Hmmm...very suspect to me. lynnechandler wrote:
If the bible is indeed fact and not fantasy, then you believe that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Old Testament with little more than a few pieced together documents to trace the history of the people so that they would understand why they were going to the new promised land. Clearly much was missing since this was done somewhere around the 15th century BC or as some might propose around the 6th century BC.
Somehow I find that hard to accept since he wasn't there to begin with and the record keeping was pretty much wiped clean except for what was supposedly with Noah on the ark. Hmmm...very suspect to me.seems to me Moses was on the mountain face to face with God for forty days and nights. God may have been a pretty good resource for the Pentateuch.
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UPStar wrote:
lynnechandler wrote:
If the bible is indeed fact and not fantasy, then you believe that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Old Testament with little more than a few pieced together documents to trace the history of the people so that they would understand why they were going to the new promised land. Clearly much was missing since this was done somewhere around the 15th century BC or as some might propose around the 6th century BC.
Somehow I find that hard to accept since he wasn't there to begin with and the record keeping was pretty much wiped clean except for what was supposedly with Noah on the ark. Hmmm...very suspect to me.seems to me Moses was on the mountain face to face with God for forty days and nights. God may have been a pretty good resource for the Pentateuch.
Too human and full of flaws and misleads to be dictated by a 'God '
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
If your belief system is irrelevant isn't it time to face the music?
Belief systems are always irrelevant to atheists.
Is that the music you want to face ? - 71
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tantrum wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
If your belief system is irrelevant isn't it time to face the music?
Belief systems are always irrelevant to atheists.
Is that the music you want to face ?No, but if you argue against religion then you're acknowledging it's existance. Therefore you either face the music or you have to consider why you argue about something you don't believe exists.
UPStar wrote:
Too bad there is no one who can reason and explain Christianity away. There's alot of rhetoric from non believers, but no solid evidence that the Bible is false and a ton that suggests it is.Well, let's use the proper terms here. The bible is NOT false because "The bible" is not a proposition. "The bible" is NOT truth or belief either. Only propositions can be true, false, or believed. Objects and concepts are not true/false. That is, only statements "in" the bible or "about" the bible are propositions.
Having said that, there certainly are propositions in the bible that are shown to be false. There are also contradictory propositions in the bible. And this has nothing to do with the opinions or subjectivity of non-believers. It has to do with the "objective" empirical evidence presented "by" the bible.- 89
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
tantrum wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
If your belief system is irrelevant isn't it time to face the music?
Belief systems are always irrelevant to atheists.
Is that the music you want to face ?No, but if you argue against religion then you're acknowledging it's existance. Therefore you either face the music or you have to consider why you argue about something you don't believe exists.
I believe religion exists. You are a proof of it
In what I don't believe is in God !
