Does being gay matter?
32- Wonder_Woman
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why is it really such a big deal to be gay? or to for gays to marry? why is it so complicated?
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Is it ?
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- Wonder_Woman
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tantrum wrote:
Is it ?
it seems to be complicated, like... gays dont have the right to marry? but straight people do?
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tantrum wrote:
Is it ?
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Wonder_Woman wrote:
why is it so complicated?
Because others would appear to make it so? Who knows. One of life's mysteries.
And my friend doesn't think his life is complicated - he's happy with what/who he is, what he's got and where he's going
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If you're not a very good person, it helps to focus on a couple of sins that even you are not "guilty" of. Hence some Christianist men's obsession with homosexuality and abortion - two things straight men will never engage in.
By denying gays equal rights, paradoxically, they can feel more holy.
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Wonder_Woman wrote:
why is it really such a big deal to be gay? or to for gays to marry? why is it so complicated?
I don't get it either.
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It's probably only a big deal to those who fear it and don't understand it (nor do they want to understand).
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Most gay men didn't choose being gay, didn't want to be gay, and that's why some marry a wife and have children trying to fight off the feelings. It makes hell for everyone. These are the kinds of stories about victims due to gay people that exaggerate the issues and only cause more fear and less understanding and tolerance for glbt people.
It shouldn't be a big deal, but unfortunately, like anything we are afraid of, we fear it and think it must be destroyed.
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livelonger wrote:
If you're not a very good person, it helps to focus on a couple of sins that even you are not "guilty" of. Hence some Christianist men's obsession with homosexuality and abortion - two things straight men will never engage in.
By denying gays equal rights, paradoxically, they can feel more holy.I don't feel Holy and I'm guilty of more than a couple of sins but two wrongs don't make a right. Whats the problem with a civil union that has the same rights? Nothing it's all semantics. I'm for compromise, marriage is ok if, it's made a felony offense to bring suit against any church unwilling to marry a gay couple to include a mandatory prision sentence for all parties including the ACLU.
The same people that oppose capital punishment approve of abortion, who's the hypocrite?- 78
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Revive@OwnRisk wrote:
Most gay men didn't choose being gay, didn't want to be gay, and that's why some marry a wife and have children trying to fight off the feelings. It makes hell for everyone. These are the kinds of stories about victims due to gay people that exaggerate the issues and only cause more fear and less understanding and tolerance for glbt people.
It shouldn't be a big deal, but unfortunately, like anything we are afraid of, we fear it and think it must be destroyed.I'm not affraid of gays and never have been.
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
I'm not affraid of gays and never have been.But you are afraid of what you think could happen if they are allowed to marry.
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Colebabie wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
I'm not affraid of gays and never have been.But you are afraid of what you think could happen if they are allowed to marry.
Very insightful, Colebabie. Hidden, more underlying fears, I'm sure, as you point out.
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Colebabie wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
I'm not affraid of gays and never have been.But you are afraid of what you think could happen if they are allowed to marry.
I want assurances that this issue won't start a witch hunt against Christians and they're churches. I've proposed solutions but no one on your side seems to want a compromise. Hows school?
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
Colebabie wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
I'm not affraid of gays and never have been.But you are afraid of what you think could happen if they are allowed to marry.
I want assurances that this issue won't start a witch hunt against Christians and they're churches. I've proposed solutions but no one on your side seems to want a compromise. Hows school?
I wouldn't compromise my life and happiness, why should someone else?
School is going well thank you. 
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It is what it is and nothing should be different for a gay couple as a straight couple.
Sex goes on inside the bedroom whether you are straight or gay.
Outside the bedroom nothing else is different.
We need to move on and make this a non issue- 78
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Colebabie wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
Colebabie wrote:
But you are afraid of what you think could happen if they are allowed to marry.I want assurances that this issue won't start a witch hunt against Christians and they're churches. I've proposed solutions but no one on your side seems to want a compromise. Hows school?
I wouldn't compromise my life and happiness, why should someone else?
School is going well thank you.Then if you get what you want then why not make sure our fears are put to rest with tough laws on bogus law suits and the ACLU.
We don't want our happiness compromised either and I know you don't get that position. - 96
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
livelonger wrote:
If you're not a very good person, it helps to focus on a couple of sins that even you are not "guilty" of. Hence some Christianist men's obsession with homosexuality and abortion - two things straight men will never engage in.
By denying gays equal rights, paradoxically, they can feel more holy.I don't feel Holy and I'm guilty of more than a couple of sins but two wrongs don't make a right. Whats the problem with a civil union that has the same rights? Nothing it's all semantics. I'm for compromise, marriage is ok if, it's made a felony offense to bring suit against any church unwilling to marry a gay couple to include a mandatory prision sentence for all parties including the ACLU.
The same people that oppose capital punishment approve of abortion, who's the hypocrite?What do you mean by "two wrongs don't make a right" in the context of this discussion?
Separate but equal is never equal under the law. We have learned that as a country before, time and time again. But civil marriage has absolutely nothing to do with religion, so I'm not sure why churches are up in arms about this except as a rallying cry to squeeze more donations from their parishioners. Churches have always had the right to marry/divorce whom they choose, and there is nothing but paranoia suggesting that allowing gays/lesbians *civil* marriage will do anything to change this.
As for the hypocrites? You could as easily define those as those who are "pro-life" when it comes to fetuses and "pro-death" when it comes to suspected criminals. - 78
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Dale Mazurek wrote:
It is what it is and nothing should be different for a gay couple as a straight couple.
Sex goes on inside the bedroom whether you are straight or gay.
Outside the bedroom nothing else is different.
We need to move on and make this a non issueYou're right! All gays have to be heterosexuals it's only fair.
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
Colebabie wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
I want assurances that this issue won't start a witch hunt against Christians and they're churches. I've proposed solutions but no one on your side seems to want a compromise. Hows school?I wouldn't compromise my life and happiness, why should someone else?
School is going well thank you.Then if you get what you want then why not make sure our fears are put to rest with tough laws on bogus law suits and the ACLU.
We don't want our happiness compromised either and I know you don't get that position.Holding on to your belief against gay marriage by this teeny tiny thread isn't working. Find a new case or cross over to the other side
Anyone can sue anybody for anything. Saying you don't want gay marriage because of a small possibility is denying someone's happiness for selfish reasons.
