What type of racing oil and Synthetic Lubricants Do you use
35- klotz ware house
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synthetic Lubricants Do you feel they work Better then Basic petroleum Lubricants?
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Yes, synthetic works much better. On high performance engines the difference is very noticable, but even on older low power engines, fully synthetic lubricants can increase efficiency and boost MPG and power.
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What are you smoking, Finance? I want some
Which is the best racing oil.Any suggestions..
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topstuff wrote:
Which is the best racing oil.Any suggestions..
LOL
That's a joke right?Mark Knowles wrote:
topstuff wrote:
Which is the best racing oil.Any suggestions..
LOL
That's a joke right?Mark,you marked it as a joke.Now it has to be a joke.
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Misha wrote:
What are you smoking, Finance? I want some
pfft ;-)
Did a full flush + filter change on my Ferrari Mondial QV (a 25 year old car) then thrashed it around Mallory Park. The engine warmed up much much faster, was much more free revving, and pulled better at higher revs.
After the track day, another flush + filter change, then stuck it on the dyno - an extra 8HP at the max rev range.
Works for me ;-) - 93
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Let's do some math. 8hp is just a tad more than 3% of 240hp. What is the error rate of your dyno? 3%? 5%?
I don't argue synthetic oil does not give any improvement - it does decrease parasitic loses, which leads to slightly better mileage and power. But I wouldn't call this "very noticeable" - unless I just smoked something really good 
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I'm synthetic all the way with my cars and my motorcycle! My thoughts are that pure, fully synthetic oil extends the life and performance of a vehicle, so I'm all for it.
I don't, however, change the synthetic oil every 3k miles.
My choice of fully synthetic oil for cars: Mobil 1- 93
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WeddingConsultant wrote:
I don't, however, change the synthetic oil every 3k miles.LOL I can't resist another shameless self-promotion
http://www.funandsafedriving.com/ftopict-39.html 
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Misha wrote:
WeddingConsultant wrote:
I don't, however, change the synthetic oil every 3k miles.LOL I can't resist another shameless self-promotion
http://www.funandsafedriving.com/ftopict-39.htmlSo there's no benefit to changing the oil more often than the manufacturer recommends?
I beg to differ.
While some cars will cope fine with extended drain intervals, others do not.
Many manufacturers are reviewing their previously recommended oil change intervals downwards, due to the unexpectedly high proportion of sludge buildup (black death) in modern high performance engines of many makes of cars.
If you think that frequent oil change intervals or synthetics are a waste of money - have a look at this.
http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm
I've had SAAB's for ages - and currently have a 9-5. I use fully synthetic, and change it every 6,000 km.
Maybe I'm paranoid - but I also have no sludge or turbo problems.
Also, to find out more than you ever wanted to know about oil, have a look at
http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html- 93
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Eric,
What makes you thinking that you are smarter than the guys who designed your car and spent countless hours and millions of dollars testing it to make sure it will work as expected?
Oh, and could you please link me to the source of information about manufacturers decreasing oil change intervals? - 95
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haha Misha, I bet your eating this up here! Enjoy your promotional opportunities!
Eric, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not advocating that people change oil less than 3k miles. Did you get that from me or from Misha's link? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
When I said that I don't change the oil every 3k miles I was implying that I wait longer to change my fully synthetic oil because it's of a much higher quality. - 99
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Eric Graudins wrote:
I've had SAAB's for ages - and currently have a 9-5. I use fully synthetic, and change it every 6,000 km.
Maybe I'm paranoid - but I also have no sludge or turbo problems.
I can't remember ever changing the oil in my 15-year-old Renault Clio and don't have any sludge or turbo problems either
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Misha wrote:
Eric,
What makes you thinking that you are smarter than the guys who designed your car and spent countless hours and millions of dollars testing it to make sure it will work as expected?
Oh, and could you please link me to the source of information about manufacturers decreasing oil change intervals?Misha - The fact that millions of dollars and countless hours have been spent on something does not guarantee perfection, or even satisfactory performance. There's countless examples of this in the world - and not just in the automotive area.
So - when clients of a car manufacturer (SAAB) experience a large number of engine failures whilst following the manufacturers oil change recommendations, this bear of very little brain tends to think that maybe there's something wrong.
Especially when the manufacturer implements an engine replacement policy for cars up to 8 years old if it can be proved that the engine oil changes have been made as scheduled.
That doesn't make me any smarter than the designers - only makes me think that maybe they got it wrong, and that it wouldn't hurt to change the oil a bit more often to avoid possible problems. Which is what I'm doing.
As for providing links - all I can offer is that the topic has been discussed at length on various SAAB forums, and service agents have mentioned that SAAB, and other manufacturers have reviewed their oil change intervals downwards as a result of sludge related engine failures caused by not changing the oil often enough.
Is this all just a conspiracy by service agents to get us to change our oil more often?
Perhaps.
And if so, then I'm just a gullible sucker aren't I.
How about we do a little test then. I'll run my car at 25,000 km between oil changes, and if there's any problems you buy me a new engine. big_smile big_smile
Regards,
Eric G. - 92
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WeddingConsultant wrote:
Eric, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not advocating that people change oil less than 3k miles. Did you get that from me or from Misha's link?I was responding to Mischa's post.
I agree with you that use of synthetic oil should enable me to do lots more miles before I should change it. Unfortunately, practical evidence suggests otherwise - for my current car, anyway. - 92
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Mark Knowles wrote:
I can't remember ever changing the oil in my 15-year-old Renault Clio and don't have any sludge or turbo problems eitherSo - this would be a 15 year old car that you bought last month perhaps ???
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Misha wrote:
Eric,
What makes you thinking that you are smarter than the guys who designed your car and spent countless hours and millions of dollars testing it to make sure it will work as expected?
Oh, and could you please link me to the source of information about manufacturers decreasing oil change intervals?Misha,
The fact that millions of dollars and countless hours have been spent on something does not guarantee perfection, or even satisfactory performance. I'm sure you'd be aware of countless examples of this.
So - when clients of a car manufacturer (SAAB) experience a large number of engine failures whilst following the manufacturers oil change recommendations, this bear of very little brain tends to think that maybe there's something wrong.
Especially when the manufacturer implements an engine replacement policy for cars up to 8 years old if it can be proved that the engine oil changes have been made as scheduled.
That doesn't make me any smarter than the designers - only makes me think that maybe they got it wrong, and that it wouldn't hurt to change the oil a bit more often to avoid possible problems. Which is what I'm doing.
As for providing links - all I can offer is that the topic has been discussed at length on various SAAB forums, and service agents have mentioned that SAAB, and other manufacturers have reviewed their oil change intervals downwards as a result of sludge related engine failures caused by not changing the oil often enough.
Is this all just a conspiracy by service agents to get us to change our oil more often?
Perhaps.
And if so, then I'm just a gullible sucker aren't I.
How about we do a little test then. I'll run my car at 25,000 km between oil changes using the oil of your choice, and if there's any problems you buy me a new engine.
Regards,
Eric G. - 92
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klotz ware house wrote:
synthetic Lubricants Do you feel they work Better then Basic petroleum Lubricants?
And now, getting back to the original question:
Yes. - 93
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Eric Graudins wrote:
klotz ware house wrote:
synthetic Lubricants Do you feel they work Better then Basic petroleum Lubricants?
And now, getting back to the original question:
Yes.Good we can agree on something
