An Open Letter To The Medical Quacks On HubPages

This Hub was originally written to be a reply on my Hub Dangerous Medical Quackery Hubs Should Be Deleted to a comment by Kelley Eidem who along with his buddy Chuck Kinsey has been writing Hubs on curing cancer with habanero peppers, garlic, and cod liver oil. Mr. Eidem and I had been sparring in the comments when he finally accused me of missing the point. Here is my reply, and the reason I've made a Hub out of it is because it clearly and directly applies to any and all Hubbers who are writing Hubs about curing cancer or curing anything with medically unapproved quack methods.

I'm not missing the point. You're missing brain cells.

Let me outline it for you ONE MORE TIME and see if you can finally wake up and smell the snake oil.

The American Cancer Society evaluates cancer methods by asking three questions:

  • Has the method been objectively demonstrated in the peer-reviewed scientific literature to be effective?
  • Has the method shown potential for benefit that clearly exceeds the potential for harm?
  • Have objective studies been correctly conducted under appropriate peer review to answer these questions?

Anything, and I mean A - N - Y - T - H - I - N - G that does not meet this criteria is either worthless scam junk OR a substance which has not YET undergone proper clinical trials and MAY have effect X, Y or Z.

Therefore:

1) It is NOT acceptable to medical science to claim that ANY SUBSTANCE which has not met the three criteria of the American Cancer Society has cured anything. Not a cold, not the clap, and NOT CANCER.

2) It is perfectly acceptable to medical science for any individual to claim that they have been cured of cancer when backed by proper before and after test results. Remissions happen all the time, rarely completely spontaneously, but in many cases due to proven therapy. Unfortunately a minority of these remissions are erroneously ascribed by the ignorantly deluded to quack snake oil.

3) It is NOT acceptable to anyone with any firing neurons to ascribe that:

  • Antineoplastons
  • CanCell
  • Clark's "Cure for All Cancers"
  • Coral
  • Essiac
  • Fresh Cell Therapy
  • Gerson Method
  • Greek Cancer Cure
  • Hydrazine Sulfate
  • "Hyperoxygenation" Therapies
  • Immuno-augmentative Therapy
  • Iscador
  • Kelley/Gonzalez Metabolic Therapy
  • Laetrile
  • Livingston-Wheeler Regimen
  • Macrobiotics
  • Metabolic Therapy
  • Pau D'arco
  • Psychic Surgery
  • Psychologic Methods
  • Revici Cancer Control
  • 714X
  • Vitamin C

OR KELLEY AND CHUCKY'S SNAKE OIL WILL CURE CANCER!

Why? Because there is no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO clinical proof! Do you understand this very basic statement or do you have a mental block?

But... due to your impregnable stubborness and overwhelming lack of education and intelligence, you continue to hammer on and on and on about your totally ludicrous and completely ridiculous moronic stupidity of a concoction which according to the best knowledge of millions of trained professional oncologists all over the world as of this date is as effective in curing cancer as a Big Mac!

If a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you're a friggin' nuclear bomb!

If an individual who has some reason to believe that they have stumbled upon some substance which has therapeutic properties and is not currently recognized as such by the medical community, they have various options open to them.

1) They can contact the NIH and discuss their findings with the heads of departments.

I DID!

2) They can consult with legitimate medical researchers and devise a very basic medical experiment which can be conducted inexpensively while at the same time adhering strictly to accepted medical research practices and then get it published in a leading medical journal, even with no medical degree.

I DID!

What you CANNOT do is to open your big fat mouth and spew out quack dreck which can imperil the lives of innocent patients who are stupid enough to believe you.

DO

YOU

UNDERSTAND?

I have often stated on my Hubs that I have unyielding belief in God and His ability to perform miracles and also that medicine would be well served by adopting more wholistic policies, but always by maintaining strict adherence to the scientific method, clinical trials, and publication in peer reviewed medical journals. Not by opening medicine up to a free for all where the lives of countless millions fall into the hands of deluded purveyors of quack tinctures and illusory therapies!

Who do you bring to me as an example? A disc jockey! I don't care if Don Imus is a DJ or the President of the United States. (After all the Presidents of South Africa and Gambia both claimed that they could cure HIV-AIDS with herbs and both were thoroughly discredited... so being a head of state doesn't help you override medical logic.) There is no limit to human stupidity and unless it is backed by the criteria above, ANYONE'S TESTIMONIAL IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. (Yes, that includes Starbuck's, too... especially the first one... I MIGHT listen a bit more carefully to Katee Sackhoff though, since she's HOT!)

Now you run off at the mouth that you're not "selling" your snake oil so you don't care about the FTC's actions against you. I don't care about the FTC's actions against you either. I think a stint in the State Pen where you can spend your days in an orange jumpsuit cleaning out roadside ditches might be more beneficial to society than the current activity you're currently engaged in. My concern is with the effect that your mindless, merciless, and baseless blather could theoretically have on HubPages itself, as the carrier of your inexcusable PRACTICING MEDICINE WITHOUT A LICENSE ON HUBPAGES. Websites have been shut down before for far less, and I am not going to sit idly by while you idiotically endanger this superlative online writing community due to your mad delusions.

Let's not even BEGIN to mention the chance that some poor, desperate cancer patient might read your verbal sewage and decide to stop their conventional medically accepted therapies to take on your snake oil formula AND DIE!

You might not care if it's on your conscience since it's highly likely you don't have one. But I do, and I don't want someone's death on mine!

Do you have ANY way of understanding this?

Would you like me to write it in Swahili? Morse Code? Smoke Signals? Tattoo it on your forehead? What do I have to do to make you understand this:

SAYING SOMETHING UNAPPROVED CURES CANCER IS BAD.

SAYING SOMETHING UNAPPROVED CURES CANCER IS WRONG.

SAYING SOMETHING UNAPPROVED CURES CANCER IS STUPID.

SAYING SOMETHING UNAPPROVED CURES CANCER IS DANGEROUS TO US ALL.

Now please do all the other writers on HubPages and the rest of humanity a favor. Delete your Hubs and start writing about something that does not violate decency, ethics, logic, intellect, common sense and Federal Law: How about a nice Hub about your last trip to Disney World, or your momma's secret recipe for meatloaf?

ANYTHING BUT YOUR DEMENTED, CRACKBRAINED, DELUSIONAL, IRRATIONAL, LUNATIC, INSANE SNAKE OIL FORMULA!

Thank you. NOW GO AWAY! And take your snake oil with you!

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Aya Katz 7 years ago from The Ozarks

Hal, saying that something has not been proven to the satisfaction of the scientific establishment and saying that it is untrue are two completely different things.

The first amendment allows people to make assertions without proof. Some of these assertions will turn out to be false. Some will turn out to be true. Some will turn out to be neither false nor true, because they are logically meaningless.

Do you really want to give the medical establishment a monopoly on free speech when it comes to medical matters? Many of their own assertions, often backed up by clinical evidence, also turn out to be false. Shouldn't all people have the right to examine the evidence and make up their own minds?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Aya, the First Amendment does not apply where that statement violates Federal Law. Do I have a First Amendment right to inform my HubPages readers that tonight at 8 pm at 123 Anywhere St. I will be procuring children between the ages of 5 and 8 at a reasonable price for the purposes of sexual intercourse?

Medical science adheres to exactly the same scientific method restrictions as any other form of science from chemistry to physics. Now, if some crackpot claims on HubPages that H2 + O2 does not result in H2O but a Bacardi Mojito with a slice of lime and a couple of chorizo a la sidra tapas on the side that's harmless. Even if someone tries to prove it, all they'll do is waste their time. But if someone starts practicing medicine without a license and convincing people to take on illusory treatments instead of proven ones and they DIE as a result, then it's a violation of Federal Law and that person belongs behind bars for the rest of their natural life.

I've just edited this Hub to show the ways that ANYONE can get ANY substance properly clinically tested. It's easy, it's cheap, it's fun AND I'VE DONE IT.


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Aya Katz 7 years ago from The Ozarks

Hal, I have to disagree with your procurement example. It's not at all similar to a hub claiming a particular course of treatment cures a disease. An offer of procurement is a legal transaction, much like the offer to practice medicine. But a general article claiming that a particular treatment is effective is more like a piece written by a would-be anthropologist on the benefits of pre-teen sexual behavior in a society where such things are done openly. (Margaret Mead comes to mind.) Even if the anthropologist is dead wrong and has even misinterpreted the norms of the society studied, the publication of the study is protected by the first amendment.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Aya: "a general article claiming that a particular treatment is effective"... IS according to Federal Law practicing medicine without a license. The law is clear and the FTC and FDA have a long history of prosecuting websites that carry such content (check Trudeau, Barefoot, et al.). Whether or not the philosophical justifications are there is irrelevant. These types of cases have been argued before the Supreme Court and lost 100% of the time. IMHO individuals like Kelley and Chuck are endangering the continued existence of this very special and important HubPages platform and I will continue to speak against such violations of the law.


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Aya Katz 7 years ago from The Ozarks

Hal, to practice medicine, you have to see the patient and be paid for your services. A doctor/patient relationship is formed through direct consultation and payment for services rendered. Publication on medical topics does not qualify as the practice of medicine. Many medical researchers publish articles on the efficacy of various treatments. They are not practicing medicine, and anyone who relies on the information they provide to his detriment is not entitled to sue them for medical malpractice.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Again, my friend, we're discussing philosophical tenets, not the law. All I can do is point you to:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/06/trudeau.shtm

... and there are many other instances of the same application of the law.

As for medical researchers publishing, they do so in peer reviewed journals. Anything else is not considered valid and if they make any unsupported claims such as "Wendy's Twisted Frosty With Oreo Pieces Cures Cancer" they are open to prosecution.


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Aya Katz 7 years ago from The Ozarks

Hal, I took a look at your link. The FDA and FTC are taking action for "deceptive marketing" against the marketers of a specific dietary supplement for making "unsubstantiated claims." So the charge is not the unauthorized practice of medicine. The charge is deceptive marketing. The reason the FTC and FDA have jurisdiction is because a product is being sold -- not because an article was published.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Granted in this case (and there are other examples of websites getting shut down for offering medical advice) but note:

...the FTC and the FDA are sending strong warning letters to Web site operators who are marketing coral calcium products claiming that coral calcium is an effective treatment or cure for cancer and/or other diseases. In dozens of warnings sent this week, the FTC states it is aware of no competent and reliable scientific evidence supporting such claims and that such unsupported claims are unlawful under the FTC Act. Accordingly, the FTC is instructing the Web site operators to remove any false or deceptive claims from their sites immediately.

That applies to HubPages right now and that is dangerous for us all.


ProHealth 7 years ago

making claims to sell a product is different from just telling about how someone used habaneros or whatever...Kelley is telling his own story and is not selling anything. Just because something hasn't been proven scientificaly doesn't make it worthless, Nature doesn't need FDA approval for making anti cancer plants. I am sorry that Kelley's uplifting survival story upset you so very much, you obviously would like nothing better than to see him killed by FDA approved radiation or chemotherapy. And if that happened, none of the doctors would have any problems with the law, even though his death would be on their sanitized germ-free hands.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

ProHealth, you're even less informed and educated than Kelley, if that is humanly possible. And don't you dare ascribe any statements I have ever made as incitements to violence or death to anyone, MORON!

Also, don't you think that I know that you're using IP 207.98.170.198 under several names to SPAM my comments? All your other ones will be deleted since I can't waste my time on dough heads who change their names with every comment. But then again, what can I expect from a Kelley Eidem supporter?

Is there no end to stupid people? :(


Robubba 7 years ago

Yes, there are a lot of quacks out there. But there are also a lot more in big pharma. Where do you think they get the active ingredients in more of their meds? Flora and microorganisms. The main difference is that pharmaceuticals only leave the active ingredient.

I completely agree that people should search out the truth themselves, and research if these things are good or not. But you got to realize... A lot of discoveries had the facts first, and then came up with a hypothesis to interpret the facts. Penicillin is a prime example. Alexander Fleming didn't think that accidentally contaminating his petris with mold would result in a cure for mainy ailments. But it worked. And after it worked, Howard Florey and Ernst Chain THEN came up with a way to proove WHY it works, which is what the herbologist community tries to do without the unlimited funds of Big Pharma.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Big Pharma is not at issue here. Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline has already gone on record to state that fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them. What is at issue here is if we are to take the opinion of combined millions of professional oncologists over a couple of snake oil hucksters on HubPages.


The Toylanders 7 years ago

I agree. Medical Science researches itself. A rigorus standard is applied to drugs and medical procedures. Homeopathy, herbalism, alternative medicines do nor research themselves. They make claims. And some claims can be, and are dangerous..especially if they recommend that tested treatments be avoided in favor of the alternative treatments. One recent study suggested that people who follow MEGAVITAMIN regimens actually show highh mortality rates than rates among people who eat a balanced diet. It would be great if the same testing, clinical trials were applied to alternative methods, so we could sift through them, so as to separate the wheat from the chaff.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

Hal,your statement: "Medical science adheres to exactly the same scientific method restrictions as any other form of science from chemistry to physics." Why are we polluting our water supplies with so many chemicals? Why don't we enhance our soil with minerals that plants can change into forms our bodies can use for optimun health? Why are we geneticaly altering our foods? for health reasons? Or for economic reasons? Why is it we haven't the sense to prevent desease instead of having to pay increasing healthcare costs when prevention is much cheaper? Why is it that whenever a cheap or inexpensive treatment comes out in the open it is immeadiately denounced as a fraud without even testing it to see if it has mert ? Why after 30-50 years we still use leathal radiation exclusively as a treatment for cancer ,without even spending a fraction of the money traditional medical treatments get to research alternative treatments? Why is it that the people who use to work for the pharmasuitical companies went to work for the F.D.A?Could it be that money has something to do with it?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

The Toylanders: Thanks for your comment. If shark cartilage, coral calcium, habaneros, or oreo cookies were to obtain clinical evidence of efficacy against cancer, I'd be their strongest and proudest promoter. The bottom line as you have stated, is that there is NO such peer reviewed evidence at this time.

someonewhoknows: I definitely see your point and agree with it. The whole situation is corrupted by money and influence. But medical science peer reviewed published results which are duplicatable by anyone are not corrupt. It is pure science.

As for why the world is as it is today, unfortunately you humans of this planet have not yet become wise enough to elect Hal Licino Emperor Of Humanity. When you do, then I'll be more than happy to straighten you all out! :)


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Lisa HW 7 years ago from Massachusetts

I would think it would depend on how the ideas/information are presented in a Hub. If someone presents it as, "I had cancer, ate a bunch of Oreo cookies, got better, and now believe Oreo's cured it" - that's one thing. If someone presents it as, "Based on my research, it appears that a lot of people believe Oreo cookies cure cancer" that's a different thing. Then, though, there's, "Oreo cookies cure cancer." (which, of course, would be quackery - although occasionally medical science doesn't know everything ). In other words, I think people need to be very clear about what has not been scientifically accepted and about who it is, exactly, that thinks there's reason to believe the thing may be a cure.

I'm not defending quackery or anything that borders on it, but I do think people should be able to offer ideas about unconventional treatments (provided they make it clear that they're aren't approved/accepted and that they're controversial or considered useless/questionable by the medical profession. In other words, a careful approach with a "truth-in-advertising" type of thing.

I, personally,. am pretty much a conventional-medical type of person (when I can't be a "let Nature heal it" person); but the medical professional and science in general have been known to be wrong time and time again. I'm not sure putting complete and faith in only medical science is necessarily the wisest thing either.


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

The F.D.A. seems to disagree with your pure science theory!

They have found that tylenol can cause liver damage after it's been approved.So much for foolproof scientific methods.

I take it your claiming to be an extratrestrial who wants to rule planet earth? lol


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Lisa HW: Chuck Kinsey's Hub in question is a first person account where he ate the hot peppers and within days was "cured." There is no research there, only nonsense. A few conclusions (out of the MILLIONS) of medical science have been found to be in error, but if the alternative is to believe hucksters and shysters who push seasilver, coral calcium, shark cartilage, etc. as INSTANT CURES, I'll stick with the Docs.

someonewhoknows: As I just replied to Lisa HW, there have been a FEW retractions out of MILLIONS of published study results. Pretty good odds for me. Better than habaneros and cod liver oil!

Actually extraterrestrial is such a controversial word. I prefer Avatar. Therefore, if you mere, weak, poor humans want to avail yourselves of my greatness as your Emperor I will require:

1) First night privileges with the young, pneumatic beauties of my choice

2) A tithe from every individual

3) All the usual stuff: genuflection, Hail Hal salutations, statues in my honor, naming of cities and stadiums after me, etc.

In return I will rule you with an iron fist of benevolence. :)


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Jarn 7 years ago from Sebastian, Fl

I've monitored your conversation thus far and feel that I'd like to speak up. I was diagnosed with an aggressive form of pelvic cancer last October. Unfortunately it wasn't caught until it was late into stage two. I underwent surgery and then chemotherapy. It was a living hell where I seriously considered the merits of just plain dying. What's more it's not over. I'm currently in remission but it's likely to come back within the year.

Anyway, when I was diagnosed I did my own research and was horrified to find the shear number of people who claimed on forums and websites that they cured themselves using all-natural remedies and treatments. These beliefs even extended to a number of the bureaucrats in the hospital I frequented. The thing that I always wondered about is that I never heard back from any of the supposedly "cured" people after a few months. Can't help but wonder if they're dead now.

The fact is that cancer is the plague of the modern day. If someone really found a cure for cancer, which is more likely? would it be Joe Schmoe grabassing around in his backyard with banana peels and habanero peppers? Or would it be the team of medical professionals who've devoted every waking moment of their lives to this endeavor, and been funded by many millions of dollars in the most advanced research facilities in the world? Hmm. I wonder.

If someone, by some incredible, phenominal, statistically impossible stroke of luck was able to cure cancer with such crude methods, don't you think every publication in the world would be beating down the door of the lucky SOB who figured it out, rather than making obscure online posts?

Bottom line, this is not a question of legality, as one can argue the letter versus the intent all day. This is a matter of morals. If someone who has not gone through the scientific method and empirically tested his beliefs to the point where it will stand up before the FDA and any other board of health you can name posts such "cancer-curing suggestions" that person is, in my opinion, no different than a murderer. Whether they believe their own spiel or not, if someone else believes it and follows their suggestion, thereby depriving themselves of life-saving treatment in favor of this snake-oil, then the blood of those who died as a result of those suggestions is on the hands of the snake-oil peddler. End of Discussion.


ProHealth 7 years ago

I don't know how it is in Toronto, but here in the good U.S.A you can treat your own ailments with anything you like, even cow manure if you think it would help, and no FDA or FCC or AMA can stop you. Chuck and Kelley applied that fundamental right and it saved their life. They are just telling their story and are not telling anyione to stop any medical treatment. Now, what are ther odds that the famous Habaner/Garlic/ fish oil will do its wonders on more than 1 person if it is pure luck that Kelley was healed by it? and then there is Cuck....and Imus....and others if go and read Kelley's hub, there are people trying it out and getting well...what are the odds of it happening again and again and again? God doesn't wait for FDA approval to give us all we need to be well.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Jarn: WOW! What a spectacular and thoroughly amazing testimonial. Thank you so much for the support and standing up so forcefully for science, logic and ethics! I really appreciate it.

ProHealth: Sorry. You're a nutbar. You could serve yourself and the people around you best by learning from Jarn! Get smart or go away.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

ProHealth, this is for you, and since I'm feeling especially magnanimous this morning, I'll dedicate it to Kelley and Chucky too!

One, two, a one, two, three, four...

Way up North where there's ice and snow

There lived a penguin and his name was Joe

He got so tired of black and white

He wore pink slacks to the dance last night!

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Giddy and foolish the whole day through

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Called myself on the telephone

Just to hear that golden tone

Asked myself out for a date

Said be ready 'bout half-past eight!

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Giddy and foolish the whole day through

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Took myself to the picture show

Sat myself on the very last row

Wrapped my arms around my waist

Got so fresh I slapped my face!

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Giddy and foolish the whole day through

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Went to read some real fun Hubs

Found out about all sorts of rubs

Salves and oils and peppers are the answer

To cure myself of my terminal cancer

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Giddy and foolish the whole day through

Boom, boom, ain't it great to be crazy?

Everybody now, SING!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

In case I have not made it already amply obvious, I want to be crystal clear to all the readers of these two Hubs on the medical quackery writers and how they should delete their Hubs: I am attacking their ideas, thoughts and opinions and not them as actual people. I'm sure that they're all nice people. I'm sure that they feed stray puppies, help little old ladies across the streets, donate to charity, smile a lot, tell funny clean jokes, have lots of nice friends, and otherwise hold up as model citizens. Blah, blah, blah. However, when they start spouting off idiocy on this website they can expect me to be on them like white on rice. This is not just any kind of idiocy where you can scam some unsuspecting reader into buying an overpriced electronic toy, or talk them into using a diet that will make them gain weight instead of losing it. The claims made on those Hubs CAN KILL PEOPLE. I can't have on my conscience that I stood idly by while information which does not have the slightest shred of actual evidence behind it was being touted as A CANCER CURE! We're not talking cancer therapy here... we're using the words CANCER CURE. That is one WHOPPER of a claim, ladies and germs. All we need as Hubbers is for HubPages to be hit with a zillion dollar lawsuit from the estate of a person who read about THE CANCER CURE and stopped radiation or chemo to eat peppers and then expired.

Therefore, alll you otherwise nice people who for some reason that I can't possibly comprehend are suffering from delusions that habanero peppers, garlic, cod liver oil, coral calcium, shark cartilage, chocolate chip cookies, raisin bran, or the first bowel movement of the morning from a castrated male Alashanzuoqi white cashmere goat CURE CANCER...

...STOP BEING IRRESPONSIBLE AND STOP SPOUTING IDIOCY!

SHEESH!


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someonewhoknows 7 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

You would think people should have more common sense and recognize the flim-flamers from the individuals who are sincere about preventing cancer through diet ,rather than wait until they get a type of cancer that could be prevented such as skin,colon,throat,somach cancers and have the cost and worry as a result of their poor lifestyle decisions. Your right about them calling it a cure for everyone,since they can usually only see their things from their own perspective .Even if they are sincere.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Again, I don't doubt their sincerity. I can understand that they actually believe what they are saying. But it just can't be justified in any way under the First Amendment since it is misleading people who could DIE due to what they're saying, by ignoring REAL treatment and believing SNAKE OIL will help them.

That's why the quackery Hubs in question MUST BE DELETED. The sooner the better. Before someone loses their lives due to the baseless and illusory information contained within them.


Tom 7 years ago

Those who cannot make their point by simple logic, and then resort to personal attacks, are either just hateful people or they are trying to sell themselves on beliefs they are unsure of. Having seen and read of so many people dieing after their medically sponsored "courageous fight" against cancer, I am willing to entertain alternative approaches. And Hal, just because I don't have a medical degree does NOT mean that I am a moron. Many medical doctors are now endorsing alternative supplements, in addition to prescribed treatment. Why? Not always because a double blind study proved it, but because it made sense and they saw good results. Caution is justified, but your rants are eerily similar to the liberal establishment trying to FORCE your opinnion on the masses you look down on. Let us who yearn for the hope that the medical community has given up on, have it. Then someday when you read that some natural alternative did indeed cure cancer, you won't have to wince in conscience about all the souls you condemned to tortuous treatments - many of whom died anyway.


Tom Whitworth 7 years ago

I do not advocate any cure for cancer or any other disease. I do knoe the National Cancer Society "cooks the books" on treatment efficacy. In May of 1997 a friend and co-worker's wife was diagnosed with breast cancer. She had a masectomy within a week followed by a course of chemotherapy. Through her regular checkups she was pronounced cancer free. This continued for 2 years and they thought everything was going well. In the third year she suffered a massive stroke brought on by lukemia, which the doctors told her was a relult of her chemotherapy. She languished for three additional years with practically no physical capability, and limited mental acuity. But when year five after her surgery and chemo passed she was listed by the American Cancer Society as a sucess story (a 5 year survivor of breast cancer). Who is really selling snake oil?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Tom... NO EVIDENCE! Wrap your head around that. NO EVIDENCE. If something works, it has EVIDENCE. Nothing works 100%. Even Aspirin doesn't make every little pain go away for everyone. But it has EVIDENCE behind it PROVING that it is EFFECTIVE in MANY cases. There is NO EVIDENCE that freakin' habaneros do anything but give you heartburn, dude. Sheesh.


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hub-hub 7 years ago from UK,M

bravo hub

maybe this site will help you with more information

http://pathfinding.cn


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks for the kudos. As for the site it is so amateurish as to be moronic. Is anyone supposed to put credence in a website that has a headline:

Medicne for diabetes

Let them get a spellchecker first, and then I'll rip them a new one for their IDIOTIC AND UNSUBSTANTIATED QUACKERY! :)


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Lisa HW 7 years ago from Massachusetts

Good Hub. I think if I ever need "medicne" I'll aim to get a prescription from a reputable physician.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks! Great advice. I definitely adhere to that philosophy, and any sane human being should too! :)


Kevin 7 years ago

Ahhh, elitism at its best. You must be loving the current state of the nation right now.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Oh yeah, just check out my Obama Marxism Hubs to see how much I love the Communization of the USA! :(


wong kin hong 7 years ago

I totally agreed with your views, alo of " dr quak" around to exploit our poor cancer victims, let us expose them.In the firt place if they do not want to subscribe to the scientic approach, then, why are using the title of DR


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

... because quacks have no morals or ethics. They are the dreck of humanity. :)


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Having lost a fair number of wonderful people I've known, when the ACS goes out of business, it will be a day of celebration... no matter what the cure, be it superhyperradiochemotherapy or (GASP) habaneros!


glendajmason 6 years ago

remember the ACS AND ITS METHODS ARE BARBARIC.

TREAT A PRISONER ON DEATH ROW WITH ACS METHODS, AND DEATH BY INJECTION OR THE GAS CHAMBER WILL BE MORE HUMANE.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

You're out of your freakin' mind... Sheesh...

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