Hey Dope, Smoking Dope Is Illegal


I take a toke

and all my cares

go up in smoke

Thank you, Cheech and Chong, for the awesome tune “Up in Smoke.”

But I would add these lyrics:

Who cares about a ride in a black and white

Or a fine and probation and maybe a cell

‘Cuz all this hassle just ain’t right

I’m just a dope smoking dope, what the hell?

Now, I’m not saying you’re going to hell if you smoke dope. But your life just might become a living hell if you do. I’m not talking about crack cocaine. You’re a retard if you smoke that stuff. I’m referring to smoking cannabis. You know, weed, grass, Mary Jane, pot, wacky tobacky, and all those other pet names stoners have for it.

My main inspiration in writing this hub is another hub written by 18-year-old Steve Orion entitled “Thoughts of a Smoker: Is Marijuana Immoral?”

http://steveorion.hubpages.com/hub/Thoughts-of-a-Smoker-Is-Marijuana-Immoral

(All images are public domain as best as can be determined.)



I am quite fond of 18-year-olds like Steve who recently graduated from high school (See my hub “Why I’ll Miss High School (Top 10 Reasons)”, and are now college-bound. This article is mostly about the kind of advice I would give my daughter, should I deem it necessary.

The first question I would ask Steve Orion, based upon statements in his hub, is do you wanna smoke rope, or do you wanna smoke dope? Hemp and marijuana are not exactly the same thing, exactly. The wannabe (dope) head Steve isn’t getting a good buzz if he’s smoking hemp. It’s mostly about the delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinal, or lack thereof.

So who should we ask to get the straight skinny on a big fat doobie? Well, how about some of our presidents?

“I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast.” – Ronald Reagan –

“When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it, and I didn’t inhale, and I never tried again.” – Bill Clinton –

“When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point.” – Barack Obama –


Obama’s dope smoking has been documented in his own memoir Dreams of My Father. Further information on Obama’s dope smoking can be found in the Washington Post’s David Maraniss’ new book Barack Obama: The Story. Apparently Barack was a gangbanger, a prominent member of the Choom Gang. Talk about a green initiative. He wouldn’t wait his turn for a hit, but instead would elbow in and shout “Intercepted!”

You know, I think Barack Obama is still a stoner, big time. What other explanation could there be? I mean, does the dude acts totally wasted or what? And I don’t think he smokes Bud Light.

Okay, forget the presidents. I don’t really think we are getting wise counsel there. What does God say? Not that Steve Orion probably cares. He appears to be a Godmocking pro-abortion pro-same sex marriage Obamamite, despite his young age. I wonder who indoctrinated him. Yeah, right. Get behind me, Satan. I mention indoctrination since he chose to give me a lesson on the subject on the hub “Do You Love America?” by rachellrobinson:

http://rachellrobinson.hubpages.com/hub/Do-you-love-America


What God says, in His letter to you and me and Steve, the Bible, is that we should abide by civil law if at all possible. Now, I could cite verse and verse, and I will do so if challenged on my statement. So Steve, you ask in your hub “Is Marijuana Immoral?” After you tell us all you smoke it.

The word “immoral” is defined in Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary (every college student should have one) as “conflicting with generally held moral principles.” The word “moral” is defined by that same dictionary as “conforming to a standard of right behavior.”

Let me give you a clue here, Steve. If it is illegal, it is most likely immoral. I see you live in Florida, Steve. Florida has some of the toughest drug laws in the U.S. You can be charged with a felony if you are caught with over 20 grams of marijuana.

Here’s what it says on the website of a prestigious Florida law firm:

“At the (deleted) Law Firm we are experienced in representing college and grad students in Florida who are charged with a criminal offense. For many students, the college or university will take immediate action to discipline or expel the student even if the student is not ultimately prosecuted or convicted of the criminal offense. Students interested in pursuing a career in the military, law enforcement, the legal profession, or the health care profession are particularly impacted.”

I can't believe Steve tried to steal this car
I can't believe Steve tried to steal this car


If you get busted, Steve, just give me a hit ‘er I mean hit me with me a message and I’ll give you the name of this law firm if you can’t find it.

You getting the message yet, Steve? You are just starting college, like my daughter. You are doing something illegal. If you get caught, you are screwed. Is it really worth it? Yeah, and what do your parents say about you smoking dope? I know what I’d say. She’s 18, like you, and she can spend her money on dope if she wants to, but then who is going to pay for her car and insurance, cell phone, college expenses (no student loans for her, guess who is picking up the slack on that), et al? And no dope is smoking dope in my house.

Let me tell you another story, Steve. In the county where I live arrests are published in the newspaper. Arrests for DUI and possession of a controlled substance and even shoplifting and the like. A rather rural county, and I guess the paper is grasping for news straws. But you can go to the court house in a more populated county and get arrest information if it’s not published in the paper.


Let me tell you why that matters, Steve. Just one reason, other than maybe all your neighbors will find out you’re a dope head if you get busted. Yeah, and then they might throw all the weeds from their gardens into your yard. Do you have a car, Steve? Do you think auto insurance is too expensive for a teenage driver? Do you want it to be more expensive?

Get busted for drugs (or something else like DUI) and I’ll be happy to explain to you how your auto insurance is going to be more expensive, for years. There goes hundreds and possibly thousands of dollars you won’t have to spend on illegal drugs. Your auto insurance company just might find out about your drug arrest and cancel your insurance. That means you go on high risk insurance at a much higher premium. But hey, you can always ride a bicycle. Now how do I know about all this auto insurance business? Just ask me and I’ll tell you, dude.

And a final message, Steve. Marijuana doesn’t set you free, bud man. Jesus does.

If you want to smoke grass, Steve, I'll lend you my lawnmower. But you fail if you want me to get you out of jail.

Well, enough about serious matters like drugs. I think I’ll go write some recipe hubs. For hash brownies, space cakes, Mary Jane cookies, and the like. Yum yum. I can’t understand why I’m so hungry all of a sudden.

I might add that smoking dope also makes a guy's sperm act dumb and dumber too. Seriously. Here's an article right here on HubPages entitled "Does smoking pot really make guys infertile?" by Science Matters:

http://sciencematters.hubpages.com/hub/Does-smoking-pot-really-make-guys-infertile


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rachellrobinson 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

I am not sure you were going for funny, but I got a chuckle or two out of it. Good hub, and some good points.

Rachel


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Apparently God made a big mistake leaving this herb for mankind to discover and use. Good thing our govt and people like you are here to clarify His intentions. Btw, do you drink?


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handymanbill 4 years ago from western pennsylvania

Good hub. Young people don't understand if it is illegal then it is illegal and using and getting caught ( Oh it won't happen to me ) excuses does not cut it. There is to much in life to lose.


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rachellrobinson 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

Lee Tea, I am sorry I have to say this but you are an idiot, God also made Hemlock, it'll kill ya, but it's still out there, I guess it's a good thing that someone clarified his intentions on whether or not hemlock was supposed to be ingested before we all died.

Rachel


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Hemlock (Conium maculatum) is a sedative and antispasmodic, used as an antidote to Strychnine poisoning. Hemlock juice is prescribed for uncontrollable nervous system excitability (like certain types of epilepsy), and the Pharmacopceias of Britain, India, and the US officially list it for use.

An idiot is defined as a foolish or stupid person have a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech.

So I have to disagree with just about everything you've said.

I know it's easier to call names than to explore, research, and discover truth, but you may want to give it a shot sometime.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Lee Tea, yes I do drink. Btw, do you smoke dope?


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

I use many herbs to get me through my days. Don't you know that everything God created is good, and God created everything. So crack a mated hops and barley "Ahrn City" and remember, to each his own. Go Stillers :)


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

*malted, although I guess you could call them mated in a beer...


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Well, I'm glad you mentioned God, Lee Tea. That leads me to believe we may have some common ground.

Actually. I'm having a brew at this very moment and watching some baseball. Not Ahrn City, though. To be honest, that stuff tastes like rat piss.

Since you have now mentioned God several times, let me ask you this. Do you think God wants us to engage in illegal behavior?


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

There is local law and then there is the All-encompassing law...I think he wants us to learn proper perspective so we can differentiate between the laws of consciousness and the laws that serve to enslave us from awareness. Not here to fight - o kinda like you. Is this hub because your daughters going to college soon, and you fear for her safety? (its yuengles for me tonight)


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Hey, well you talked me into it, Lee Tea. I'm having a Yuengling now. America's oldest brewery, since 1929.

But Yuengling is legal. Acapulco Gold is not legal.

No, I'm not worried about my daughter. I'm worried about 18-year-old Steve and his latest dopey hub "Thoughts of a Smoker: Is Marijuana Addictive?"

Me thinks he'll soon be posting hubs from the joint (no pun intended) with the help of his good buds (no pun intended) Bubba and Bruiser.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

I'll have to go back and read his posts. I was surprised to see the contradiction between not smoking pot because it's illegal (in some states, i know, not above federal law), and your anti "pro-abortion", anti "gay marriage" inferences (also subject to state law)...I get you had to sound off against this Steve kid, but I'm not convinced you follow law to the "t" because it's always unquestionably the best and right thing to do. You do have some sense of business and law, right? You know pot was illegalized because hemp paper (of which the constitution was written on) was a threat to the timber paper industry, and then its prohibition later enforced because it was the drug of choice of the black community (slaves, and blues artists)? Pot remains illegal because of vested interest, like Anheiser-Bush, and the Pharmaceutical industry. (also police unions, private prison corps, and prison guard unions).

I went to college for journalism, but my main interest was drug policy reform. Alcohol wrecked my family, the family I grew up with, as did pharmaceutical drugs. I'm now an herbalist several years along her spiritual path. It's nice to meet you.

Every pun you had was intended.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

excellent hub!

Nothing is more irritating to some folks than the truth! You are just telling it like it is. There are many great arguements that can be made that pot should be legal. But, the bottom line is....it is NOT.

I have told my kids the very thing you are making your point too.....you break the law, you gotta pay the penalty.

My oldest son got a speeding ticket, and was whinning because he was only doing 45 in a 30. I asked him, did you know you was doing 45 in a 30?

He said, 'yeah, but..." enough said. It cost him $80 bucks, and a great lesson.

I really like the way you told your thoughts in this hub, it was entertaining and you made a fantastic point.

I vote across the board on this one.

Chris


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I have a hub on Mary j, which I think explains the reasons why it should be legal (Don't Bogart that joint my friend) and there is no doubt it should be legal, controlled and taxed, to remove the income from hash that the criminal element of our society receives, and I include the CIA in that.

Yes the guy should be careful, the law is loaded against him, but it is an immoral law, and to some degree it is the citizens obligation to stand up to immoral laws.

We as believers are bound by civil law I agree, but ONLY to the point where it does not transgress Gods laws, after which we are NOT to obey, but 'humour' the authorities.

Christ said:

Mark 7:14-16

King James Version (KJV)

14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

He repeated it three times, which I guess means it had real significance to Him, who are we to dispute what Christ stated?


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Exactly, Chris.

There are consequences for one’s actions. This is an especially difficult message to convey to teenagers.

The how and why marijuana is illegal may be of interest, but it does not change the fact that it is illegal (except for medical marijuana in some states). I would not be very receptive, for example, from any teenager including my own that “I’m 18, I can serve in the military, I can vote, etc., so as an adult I should be able to legally drink alcohol.” Not. The laws in every state were changed to 21 for a reason.

Even if Obama (who knows what he might do to get reelected) endorses the legalization of marijuana, like he did same-sex marriage, it would take years for laws to change, if they ever do. But for now, it is illegal. Did I mention it is illegal? And there is no way it will ever be legal for a teenager to smoke dope.

I posted a comment on Steve Orion’s latest dopey hub “Thoughts of a Smoker: Is Marijuana Addictive” but it doesn’t show because he has not approved it. I particularly take issue with his statement that, “I know, for me personally, I miss the feeling of getting high when, for instance, I have to go clean for a job drug test.” Get real, dude. I call that lying and cheating. Just the sort of start you want to get off with on a new job.

aguasilver, I will answer you soon in a separate comment. You are so wrong. But a perfect example of twisting God’s Word to suit one’s own agenda.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

There are always consequences for one's actions, not just and in addition to the consequences law imposes. Do you really think that if there was no man-made law, there'd be no consequences at all? You seem like you trust God more than that. So we live in a world once governed by God and twice governed by man...I think it's overkill.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

aquasilver,

First, if you are going to maintain that those verses in Mark 7:14-16 mean the ingestion of marijuana can not defile a man, you would have to also include cocaine and heroin in that interpretation, right?

Those verses in Mark (and similar verses in Matthew 15) relate a parable that illustrates man is not defiled by unclean hands or food, but by sin. Jesus in these verses is rebuking the scribes and Pharisees for being totally obsessed with traditions like washing hands that they failed to observe basic commandments.

I believe the correct interpretation of the Bible is this: Drinking alcohol in moderation is not a sin. It’s not illegal, and a couple drinks is not likely to alter one’s sobriety. Smoking cigarettes is not a sin. Not good for health, certainly, but not illegal and it doesn’t affect one’s sobriety. Marijuana is illegal. You are violating civil law and in doing so violating God’s law.

To say the civil laws making marijuana illegal transgress God’s law is nonsense. Let me give you an example of a civil law that transgresses God’s law. In China the government uses Gestapo-like tactics to enforce the “one child” rule. Women who violate the rule are sometimes kidnapped and forced to undergo abortions, even at late stages in pregnancy.

I didn’t approach this hub from a biblical perspective. But anyone who encourages in any way a teenager to use illegal drugs is dumber than dumb (the teenager using illegal drugs).


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"First, if you are going to maintain that those verses in Mark 7:14-16 mean the ingestion of marijuana can not defile a man, you would have to also include cocaine and heroin in that interpretation, right?"

Correct, I would, but I am NOT advocating any drug use, I am simply stating that those drug uses may not be beneficial to us, and indeed as believers we may well shun any drug or activity which could cause separation even temporarily from God.

But such activities are not in themselves sinful, i.e. God has NOT called them sin, not stated that they will defile (cause separation for) the user, quite the contrary, it is MAN who has declared them illegal and done so for nefarious reasons.

Prohibition ONLY benefits the criminal sector (and the CIA) and has NEVER worked, and America is the clearest example of why prohibition is not only unworkable, but fostered criminality.

Your countries prohibition of alcohol was the main reason that the Mafia grew in strength and wealth.

The majority of Americans want Marijuana legalised, that is a fact, and as more and more information on it's medicinal and recreational benefits are published the figure grows each year.

"To say the civil laws making marijuana illegal transgress God’s law is nonsense. Let me give you an example of a civil law that transgresses God’s law. In China the government uses Gestapo-like tactics to enforce the “one child” rule. Women who violate the rule are sometimes kidnapped and forced to undergo abortions, even at late stages in pregnancy."

Transgressed to a larger degree I agree, however the majority of young men who get incarcerated, and abused in prison, are there for breaking this man made prohibition law, and THAT is happening to a whole lot more of Americas youth than forced abortions are happening in China.

Your prison population is mainly drug related, and you have the largest prison population in the world, that says it all.

Prison, in itself is actually AGAINST Gods law (I have a hub on that also) and scripturally we are permitted three forms of retribution against those who break the law:

Financial restitution by the offender

If that is not possible:

The offender is sold as a slave to whoever will pay their 'fine' and the offender belongs to the person who paid the fine until the restitution is made.

Capital punishment. (for specific offences)

There never was any GODLY authority for imprisonment.

We as believers need to follow what God states, not what man created in opposition to Gods word.

1 Corinthians 10:24

King James Version (KJV)

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Drugs may not be expedient, and they are currently illegal in the USA, but that is a political situation, not a popular or even ethical consideration, as alcohol and tobacco cause far more damage to humans that Mary J does.

It may be stupid for a youngster to smoke a joint, because the law is so drastically in error, but it is not an offence in Gods eyes, and I still maintain that the current legislation is in opposition to Gods word.

Over 50% of your population (including your POTUS) have smoked Mary J, so therefore they are all liable to imprisonment, the lottery of who gets busted needs to end.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

I’ll respond to your last statement first, aguasilver. I would guess that over 50% of my population has driven a vehicle while legally under the influence of alcohol, and therefore they are all liable to imprisonment. So how do you end the lottery of who gets busted?

People smoke cigarettes while driving. It would seem to me reasonable to believe that if marijuana were legal, more people would smoke dope while driving. The reason they don’t now is that the smell makes it easily detected.

So do you think that smoking a joint of some good stuff impairs one’s ability to safely drive?

Again, if you are going to quote verses like 1 Corinthians 10:24 in support of your premise that smoking marijuana is not against God’s law, then you must apply the same rationale to cocaine and heroin, right?

Incidentally, where do you live?


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

One thing we know for sure is using marijuana makes you hungry.

This article appeared in my local paper today:

Only pot found in system of Face-chewer

MIAMI – Lab tests detected only marijuana in the system of a Florida man shot while chewing on another man’s face, the medical examiner said Wednesday, ruling out other street drugs including the components typically found in the stimulants known as “bath salts.”

There has been much speculation about what drugs, if any, would lead to the bizarre behavior that authorities said Rudy Eugene exhibited before and during the gruesome attack that left the other man horribly disfigured.

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Hey Steve Orion, you live in Florida. Other than marijuana is illegal, here is another reason not to get shit-faced on dope (no pun intended).


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I live (currently) in Penang, Malaysia, a Muslim country where we hang drug smugglers, so I am not in some Californication hippy commune!

Before that for 25 years I lived in Spain, where under Franco we used to imprison anyone caught with dope for six years without question, but where after Franco the rules are now changed to decriminalised, i.e. you can grow one plant per family member legally in your back yard, that's about 500g worth of hash.

I do apply the same rational to heroin and cocaine, they have never been something I would use, but if they were legal, at least they would be quality controlled and regulated for guaranteed dosage, and the 'glamour' of the drugs would disappear, along with the crims that fight to keep them illegal.

Yes drug dealers are AGAINST legalisation, and that alone shows how bad legalisation would be for criminals (and the CIA).

The thing is, that if legalised, like all other substances from chocolate to cocaine, those users who abused the quantity used would disappear in a Darwin Awards contest of oblivion.

They just would not have to rob me or you to buy their fix from your friendly local criminal.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

That is very interesting, aguasilver, that a stoner like you would live in a country like Malaysia, where the penalties for drugs are even more severe than in Florida, where Steve Orion resides. I would have thought you and Steve would choose to live someplace like Needle Park. No wait, that closed.

So is the drug enforcement policy in Malaysia effective? I mean, if you hang all the drug dealers, it would seem to me that eventually there wouldn’t be any more drug dealers. Kind of like in America when the cowboys hung horse thieves. We now have very few horse thieves. Yeah, somebody stole Mr. Ed, but he was a horse who could talk.

And what about prisons in Malaysia? What do you do with all the purse snatchers? I understand that’s a big crime problem with respect to tourists.

Did you ever know anyone who regularly uses crack cocaine?


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

There you go... now you describe me as a stoner!

Incredible.

The drug policy in Malaysia is no more effective than any drugs policy to prohibit will be, because the cash involved in drug smuggling, for the top guys; who never touch the stuff, who wear suits and are banksters anyway, and who never get touched.

It's a lucrative market because the people are wanting the product, until you deal with that want, there will always be criminals, suited and booted, who will create a market and supply it.

My Muslim Malay chum, tells me that grass is so inherent in their tradition that most Malay men smoke grass, my friend cannot remember any time when the sweet smell was not around him in the village he grew up in.

He has smoked grass daily for 40 years, runs a good business, takes care of his family, loves God, even though I think he has been deceived, but despite worshipping a different god, he truly does love God.

Maybe in time he will see what God has put before him as truth, but that's another issue.

Assuming you are American, and possibly of a similar age, I can fully understand why you see the fact that America has made it illegal is the pivotal point, and indeed as a good citizen you cannot preach anything else, and my advice to anyone who seeks approval from the world, would be to avoid anything that could limit their freedom to live as individuals in our world, and surely getting busted for dope would have meant that your current POTUS would have been ineligible to stand.

You mentioned Chinese abortion police earlier, well the authority those abortion police act under started out as small rules to manage a revolution and set in place a eugenics program of selective breeding to produce workers and soldiers committed to the cause.

The first stage in mind control is persuading the populace that the laws made by government are to be upheld, no matter what.

Once folk have bought into that concept, keeping order is pretty simple and by pushing the correct button: Baptist, Pentecostal, Liberal, Republican... whatever thing they had bought into and believed

Yes Christ commands us to honour those in world authority over us, for God has allowed them to stand there, but we are also reminded that we are technically outside of their authority, as our FIRST authority in all things is God, via Christ and as expressed in scripture and by the Holy Spirit.

So despite what Churchianity may think, I tend to follow what Christ laid down, and where there is injustice or deception and coercion mixed with suppression happening right before my eye, I tend to look at the bigger picture and ignore man made laws that countermand what God has decreed, and try to sort out the problems.

Those Chinese abortion police had their start in the earlier apathetic acceptance of increasingly restrictive rules.

Ignore the small infringements on the individual and you invite total suppression of all citizens as the final destination.

No, I have not spent time with crack addicts, my son does, he works in the Bronx as a youth minister, my experience has been more with the homeless and dispossessed, before I came down here, and their problems are mainly alcoholic, substance abuse and mainlining if they see it around, dope works well with them, keeps them calm in their plight, and stops a lot of the aggression coming out.

Who knows what Barry Obama may have been had he been busted at school for 'intervening' on those joints.

Or what millions of young people may have achieved if that ONE stupid illegal offence had not been inflicted upon their futures.

But just because 'the man' tells you something is law, it is not your law IF God has not ordained it, and I really think God knew what he was doing when he left all those herbs and plants around, for our health, only to have them suppressed in the name of profit and control.

Sometimes we just have to look deeper than our personal comfort and convenience, my opposition to this law has already caused a reflective reaction to determine and label me a 'stoner'.

This is a small reaction from you, who has responded according to the conditioning that society has used to constrain our freedom to follow God.

I am not a stoner, I am a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, temporarily resident on earth and charged with working to bring the Kingdom to the world.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

You are not a stoner, aguasilver? Sorry, I guess your hub “Don’t Bogart that joint my friend…” and your statement in it, “From the first hit I took at age 15 I loved smoking dope” led me to believe you love smoking dope. Not to mention your hallucinatory assertions pertaining to the Bible condoning the use of illegal drugs.

Too bad Obama didn’t get busted for being a stoner. That would have saved us a lot of grief. Did you see the blurb and picture in the weekend edition of USA TODAY of the 8 tons of marijuana found by Chicago police in a tractor-trailer? Obama has connections in Chicago, you know. I wonder how much of the 8 tons is on the way to the White House.

Now, you say “Who knows what Barry Obama may have been had he been busted at school for ‘intervening’ on those joints.” Probably a movie star. I could see him starring in vampire flicks, because he sure is sucking the blood out of the U.S.

Then you add, “Or what millions of young people may have achieved if that ONE stupid illegal offense had not been inflicted upon their futures.” In the same USA TODAY, there is an article about female wrestler Stephany Lee losing her spot on the Olympic team for testing positive for marijuana. No trip to London for her. She blew the experience of a lifetime, whether she won a medal or not. Was that joint worth it, Stephany? Are you listening, Steve Orion?

So aguasilver, isn’t your Muslim Malay chum who has smoked grass daily for 40 years worried about getting hanged? Or getting cancer? My doctor tells me smoking a joint a day is about the same as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day in terms of harmful chemicals one ingests.

Have you ever driven in America, aguasilver? That’s all we need is more stoners on our roads dodging the imaginary White Rabbit (Tell ‘em a hookah smoking caterpillar has given you the call) and swerving into the oncoming lane.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Jack, whilst I'm happy to banter with you in your comments box, this is turning into a forum post!

You picked one line from Don't Bogart, and seemingly ignored the rest of what has been described as a definitive article on why the law needs revision.

You seem focussed on highlighting all the folk who have had their lives destroyed by the US immoral drug laws, as if smoking the dope ruined their lives, when in fact it was the immoral laws.

My Muslim chum is discrete and the drug laws are mainly their to catch the foreign drug smugglers who use Malaysia as a conduit to move drugs north to where the profit is made by selling them to a prohibition country.

You really need to understand that you have bought the 'official' version 100%, when the evidence shows that the official version is a complete fabrication designed to keep BigPharma and the dark forces who use prohibited drug sales as a way to finance 'dark ops' that they cannot present for government approval.

Your doctor is wrong, check the (non BigPharma) doctors in any of the videos I present and see that in fact MJ cures cancer, and any damage from smoking is caused by the tobacco the MJ is mixed with, which has 4000+ chemical compounds in it that are designed to make you addicted to cigarettes, but no worries there huh, ciggies are legal.

Check the statistics, which even the vested interests cannot challenge, nobody has EVER died from MJ usage, which cannot be said for smoking cigs or drinking booze, yet both are legal, despite the damage and death they cause.

As for driving when having smoked dope, if you smoked enough dope to be dangerous, you would be incapable of driving anyway, and not bothered to drive, as you would be too busy enjoying whatever you were doing whilst stoned.

Dope smoking drivers are very slow and cautious, they are more at risk being slammed in the rear end by other 'sober' drivers.

Check out Bill Hicks, he has excellent parodies on why MJ should be legalised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fntiAF3OSts

I doubt you will like it, Bill was a complexed guy, and swears for effect, which was a shame, but he also saw through the bullsh*t that we have been fed.

When you boil it all down, Christ was challenging the Pharisees and throwing the money changers from the 'temple', He was telling us we can reach God through Him without all the power mongers who seek to control us, and He still is telling us that the TRUTH will make us free.

Why buy the lie?


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Agua, Hicks was a guiding light for me. His p.o.v. doesn't translate to those who obey what they're told...which is why he had so much material to work with...

See now this is a discussion between what blackandgold's been TOLD (the bible tells me, the law tells me, my doctor tells me) and the actual life experiences of those who've smoked pot. Knowledge only comes from experience - if you're making decisions based on what others tell you without question, you're living in fear of the unknown. And marketing and media turn you into the bread and butter of the American economy. Smoke or not, but don't live in fear. Instead of writing more about what you've been told, or what you read in the news or what you've seen on tv, go out and do something unconventional, unplanned, in nature even, today. Come back and tell us what you've learned. Anything you can share from an actual experience will serve better to bring people together than perpetuating the disproportionate scare stories of a money-driven culture... and wouldn't bringing people together in a common consciousness through relatable experience be one step closer to bringing God's kingdom to earth?


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Lea, I always resist turning another hubbers comments box into a forum or philosophical debate, so I will not answer you fully here, but hope to see you in my comments boxes! or on the forum, where we can chat.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Lee Tea, let me get straight here ‘er I mean let me get this straight.

You are saying because you and aguasilver smoke dope, you are more versed on this subject than me, who you assume has no life experiences smoking dope?

Is that what makes one an expert on the subject of smoking dope? Smoking dope?

So who is an expert on the effects of smoking dope when you get behind the wheel of a car in Pennsylvania? You? Me? aguasilver? That big insurance company in the city where you live?

aguasilver, I certainly would enjoy discussing this subject with you on the forums. Unfortunately, I am arbitrarily and capriciously banned from doing so. But I’m sure the Godmocking pro-abortion pro-same sex marriage pro-legalizing illegal dope Obamamite crowd who got me banned will just love your posts. That’s what you’re not banned.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

The Spice of Life

Last night on ABC Nightly News they had a segment about the grandma who shot and killed her 17-year-old grandson who was a Spice head. He was living with her and apparently an argument ensued when grandma drove him to his court-ordered drug testing for past indiscretions. The argument escalated later at home when he knew he failed the drug test and wanted to split with her car and money.

It will be interesting to see how this trial plays out.

Steve Orion has an interesting hub entitled “Thoughts of a Smoker: Spice – A Cautionary Tale” where he describes a bad trip he took after smoking that shit.

Hey Steve, does your grandma pack? You know, a Glock or some such thing.

So Steve, do you drive after you get totaled stoned, or do you have a limo and a chauffeur?


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"....what makes one an expert on the subject of smoking dope? Smoking dope?"

Well experience of anything one pontificates about is normally a good start towards possession of knowledge useful in deciding a subject and advising others, but you may feel ignorance is bliss equally applies.

Personally, apart from first hand experience, I rate research and study of the available evidence and data to be useful in seeing through the lies and smokescreen (excuse pun) that the powers that be have erected to hide their masters agenda.

But each to their own.

No idea about 'Spice' new drug to me, never heard of it, except that it does bad things to you as a cannabis 'legal high' designer drug creation, to make it legally safe to seek a high (which causes criminals to produce these things, create a vacuum and something will fill it, normally worse).

I only go into the forums when I am drawn to them by a post that needs rebuttal, or am bored and have little to do.

I hardly think I get a free ride, the "Godmocking pro-abortion pro-same sex marriage pro-legalizing illegal dope Obamamite crowd" dislike me also, maybe because I can argue their corner as well as present Christ to them. Forum work is a difficult arena to work in, God loves those "Godmocking pro-abortion pro-same sex marriage pro-legalizing illegal dope Obamamite crowd" as much as He loves you and I, so sometimes we need a softly softly approach to them that an get around their masters deception in their minds.

To many folk end up doing the enemies bidding without realising it, Christ visited the sinners dens and changed them, which seems more constructive than standing outside shouting rhetoric at those inside.

But we each have our own field to plough, so I guess we just need to obey our commands from God and get on with the work.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Aguasilver, now why in God’s green earth would you and Lee Tea assume I never smoked dope?

God may love stoners, but He may not love what they are doing.

I have over the years studied the evidence on the subject of the effects of drugs like marijuana. There’s a reason why I have done so, other than just a personal interest.

Now, you said in a previous post:

“Check the statistics, which even the vested interests cannot challenge, nobody has EVER died from MJ usage, which cannot be said for smoking cigs or drinking booze, yet both are legal, despite the damage and death they cause.

As for driving when having smoked dope, if you smoked enough dope to be dangerous, you would be incapable of driving anyway, and not bothered to drive, as you would be too busy enjoying whatever you were doing whilst stoned.”

Your statements above reflect brain damage from something. I hesitate to blame marijuana without the benefit of an autopsy.

I’m not sure whose statistics you would believe, unless they support your argument. But CBS seems pretty reliable. You remember Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather, right?

Well, here’s some info from CBS:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57374568-10...

I’m sure you have heard of MADD, right? You know, Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Well, they are now involved with drugged driving, also. There are some personal stories on the MADD website about drivers under the influence of marijuana who killed their children.

Hey Steve Orion, so how many joints do you think you can smoke and still drive safely? How many joints do you think you can smoke and legally drive? (C’mon, Steve, I know you are reading this.)


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Look at all the names you can drop - CBS, ABC, Cronkite, Rather, MADD...yes, these are things that both you and I have heard of. this does not bring us any closer to shared experience and real knowledge, just something for our egos to bite into. what about that research you've done, care to share you findings? cite your sources. statistics and clinical trials are credible here...mass media fodder is not.

"You never see a positive drug story on the news. They always have the same LSD story. You've all seen it: "Today a young man on acid … thought he could fly … jumped out of a building … what a tragedy!" What a d*ck. He's an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn't he take off from the ground first? Check it out? You don't see geese lined up to catch elevators to fly south; they fly from the fucking ground. He's an idiot. He's dead. Good! We lost a moron? F*cking celebrate. There's one less moron in the world.

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition? Perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather." --Bill Hicks

and why do you keep posting about dead children? you'd make a great news anchor.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

No thanks, I don’t want to be a news anchor, Lee Tea. All they do is read a teleprompter. Hey, maybe I should be an executive of a Fortune 500 insurance company and analyze how many fatal accidents happen because of drivers stoned on marijuana. Do you think that big insurance company in your city would hire me?

Do you have auto insurance with that big insurance company in your city? I’ll ask you the same question I asked Steve Orion (C’mon Steve, where’s your answer, I know you are reading this). Lee Tea, how many joints do you think you can smoke and still drive safely? How many joints do you think you can smoke and still legally drive?


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

depends on who you are. know thyself. how bout dem beers?

no, I don't have Erie insurance


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"how many joints do you think you can smoke and still drive safely? How many joints do you think you can smoke and still legally drive?"

If you are counting how many joints you have smoked, you will NOT be thinking about driving, unless you are a devout smoker, who has built a tolerance to THC, in which case you will function pretty much normal, except that you will be more aware of surroundings and less aggressive in your driving, but equally if you smoke dope to that degree, you will know whether you are capable of driving anyway.

Kids who grab an illicit joint and then drive MAY present a problem, but less of a problem than the same kid having drank some alcohol.

You really do need to remove that plank from your eye.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

I thought the issue was smoking pot because it's illegal, now the issue's connected with driving and dead children. Not sure where driving became the issue, except to supe up the argument. If you're going to go down that road (now THAT's a pun), intoxication levels are difficult to measure, and you have to include the inebriation caused by pharmaceuticals while driving too. And so you'll have a difficult time as I have finding any solid research on this at all.

"... I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day.” - Hicks.

That's the truth. And nothing the news (or anyone) tells me can negate my actual experience (but especially the news, because it has an agenda for everything it's relaying to you). Could it be that people in your position have to prove to yourself that YOUR opinion (which isn't YOURS at all, but one that you heard on the news and decided was good enough for you to adopt and attach to) is right, because if it's not, you realize you got duped by trusting your leaders and media as you were taught to do? Aqua and I have been speaking of experience, cultures, philosophy...you've been speaking of car crashes, dead babies, and calling people names ("Godmocking pro-abortion pro-same sex marriage pro-legalizing illegal dope Obamamite crowd"). and that's pretty much the way our thought processes function moment to moment. so who do you think has the better overall mentality here? those thinking and acting from experience, or those scared and addicted to the news? it's a wider perspective than they spoon feed us BnG, that's why i can see where you're coming from while you call us names. you've got the right idea, you've gotta fight, just not us, we're not the enemy - sorry. fight for it, like your way out of a paper bag. it's your human right.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Show me where I called you any names, lee tea.

You keep raving about your life experiences, and you keep inferring I have none that matter. Now why would you think that? What makes you so sure I never smoked dope?

You also keep raving about Hicks and quoting him. Oh yeah, I’m impressed. Some dead comic who wasn’t even all that funny. That’s the source of your infinite wisdom?

Yes, “the issue” starts with smoking pot being illegal. Of course, then people like you and aguasilver insist that it shouldn’t be illegal and make what are in my opinion absurd statements. One of the major issues pertaining to whether or not marijuana should be legal is its effect on driving. Do you agree with that?


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

aguasilver, I don't think the police in Santa Cruz, California, would agree with you about the driving and doping:

"Marijuana is a Chief Factor in the Recent Deaths of Santa Cruz Drivers"

http://santacruz.patch.com/articles/marijuana-is-a...


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Great title. If you read the thing, the article says all but one of the deceased had been drinking, too. The other woman may have been on pharmaceuticals, not enough sleep, not a good driver, or who knows. The media spins the story already, your spinning it twice is not doing a service to informing, enlightening, and empowering other people.

I never said you called me names. I never inferred you didn't smoke. You keep trying to pick that fight, but I don't care what you do. I only ask the same from you.

Hicks is like my Christ. I quote him like you quote the Bible. Not trying to impress you, just trying to communicate ideas he put into words more succinctly and to the point than I can. But you don't hear the message, and you don't get the humor, so this is turning into a moot point.

I don't care if it's illegal, that's politics, and the only politics I'm concerned with are those of my own home. I never told you the way things should be or the way things are, or what you should do to be a better person. Your fine just the way you are, so are we. I'll mind my own, you do the same, and we'll all just be responsible for our own actions. Now there's a novel idea.

And if you want to base legality off of driving, how about cell phones, radios, pharmaceuticals, gps, enough sleep at night, and...you know what? if you took everything away, some a**holes just can't drive for sh*t anyways.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

and...man, just...what about BEER?! you want to base what should be illegal on how it affects your driving?? c'mon man...think about it. then crack a cold one and enjoy living in the land of the "free", cuz it's too hot for this today.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

"Hicks is like my Christ."

That says it all, Lee Tea.

Just maybe you should pick a better Savior. Hicks died around 18 years ago. I haven't heard of him coming back from the dead. Yet. But I suppose you still have some misguided hope.

Do you know how much marijuana you can have in your system to not get busted for DUI (of marijuana) in the state where you live? And get your driver's license suspended, etc., etc.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Nope, I've chosen my leaders based on how they resonate with me. I'm cool with me, even if I'm not you. I love Hicks like you love Christ, and God loves us like he loves Christ, and we're all just the same energy anyways. unification, not division. all is one. Bill did die in his mid 30's...he could've come and gone again, and everyone would've been too busy judging to notice.

What happened to you to warrant this post? Seems like you got pulled over for a DUI and your insurance rates got jacked or something...come on, explain your position. share your actual experience and knowledge with the rest of the class so maybe we'll actually learn something here.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Oh BnG, I just caught this:

"You keep raving about your life experiences, and you keep inferring I have none that matter. "

NO! That's not true at all. Yours DOES matter. It's ALL that matters. Learn more from your own actual experience than the nightly news. We all have a life worthwhile...don't let it go to waste!!

I suppose that's the only thing I keep inferring...that your life can teach you more than anyone can ever tell you.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

I started in to counter these reports also, but Lee Tee seems to have covered the issue.

The article was spin, and in two of the three incidents alcohol was also present, lets ban alcohol, it kills so many people and destroys families.... OH hang on you guys did that a 100 years ago, and created the Mafia, maybe not such a good idea.

If you legalise cannabis, BigPharma will lose billions of $$$$ in revenue, and the CIA will lose a major covert ops financing tool, and many politicians, policemen and bankers will lose income, derived from the criminals who sell drugs and need to keep the wheels greased.

That is the ONLY argument to keep cannabis illegal, and you are unwittingly supporting it.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

No, Lee Tea, I didn’t get busted for DUI and my insurance rates didn’t get jacked up. But that’s a very good reason not to drive under the influence of booze or drugs. You get busted and your insurance rates get really jacked up. Not to mention the other problems you cause yourself, like jail time, fines, possibly losing your job, public humiliation, et al.

I certainly wouldn’t be a very good role model for my teenage daughter if I got busted for DUI (booze or drugs), now would I?

Now, you don’t like CBS and the other major news outlets for your source of information. How about the “Scientific American” and the “British Medical Journal” I wonder?

Let’s find out why they have to say:

“Smoke and Mirrors: Driving While High on Marijuana Doubles One’s Chances of a Serious Car Crash.”

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2...


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

aguasilver, you like the "British Medical Journal" right? What with you being a U.K. national and all. Or does the CIA do studies for the "British Medical Journal" I wonder.

Oh yeah, it's all a conspiracy to keep the stoners from their doobies.


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

Of course you shouldn't drive intoxicated...who's saying you should?


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

"Driving while stoned " is the operative word, and driving while stoned would be as stupid as driving whilst drunk.

Drunk or Stoned folks should not drive, whether they are 'stoned' on legal (profitable to BigPharma) or illegal (profitable to the criminals and the CIA) drugs.

What's the real difference between driving when drunk on legally bought alcohol, or legally prescribed drugs, or totally natural hash?

NONE.

Don't drive when you are stoned on anything.

The report you quote stated that there were difficulties deciding what level of THC in the blood would constitute too much, and like all legalism freaks, lean towards a 'zero tolerance' aspect.

That is just plain stupid, for any recreational drug (alcohol included) as I weigh 250 lb in a 6 foot frame, and can obviously metabolise more alcohol (say) than my wife who is shorter and much lighter than me.

I took a reactions test and found that my reaction time was faster after two vodkas, than when totally sober, but dropped if I drank three.

Go figure!

And it's not "a conspiracy to keep the stoners from their doobies" its a conspiracy to keep the cure for cancer from the public...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI&feature...

If this was widely known, donations for cancer research would dry up (no longer needed) BigPharma would lose billions and your prisons would be empty.

It's also a conspiracy to stop folk using a natural God given herb, which WILL change their way of thinking and make them less controllable by the authorities.

Perhaps that is the largest threat they wish to stop occurring.

You can continue buying their lies and supporting their suppression, or decide that truth is more important, and stop this illegal suppression of information that would change our world, for the better.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Now Lee Tea, you say, “Of course you shouldn’t drive intoxicated.” Do you ever drive while intoxicated? How much marijuana can you smoke in the state of Pennsylvania and drive and not be intoxicated, according to the law?

What do you think of aguasilver’s recommended cure for cancer? Would you opt for that or chemotherapy?

I wonder why Bill Hicks didn’t cure himself of cancer.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Aguasilver, you said, “. . . your prisons would be empty.”

Please elaborate on this concept.

What happens with all the rapists and murderers and muggers?”


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Lee Tea 4 years ago from Erie, PA

When did this become about driving? All I have to say is beer. Other than that I really lost interest in this thread. I wish you well BnG, hope that dude you were trying to stick it to reads this sometime. Be well. I'm sure I'll see you around HP.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

I don’t blame you for not agreeing with aguasilver's hallucinations, Lee Tea.

This becomes about driving when the stoners start ranting about legalizing marijuana. We don’t need more potential killers on the road, which would be the result of the legalization of marijuana for recreational use, in my opinion.

Now, I don’t have a problem with medicinal marijuana, if it is controlled properly. People who are dying or are in extreme pain need drugs to cope with the situation. I’m all for giving someone dying from lung cancer plenty of morphine.

But the only thing Steve Orion is suffering from is stupidity. For a teenager to risk his/her future on some momentary pleasure is dumb. And adults who say things condoning and encouraging this type of behavior are dumber. Dumb and dumber.

You don’t need to “hope that dude you were trying to stick it to is reads this sometime.” He did. Can’t you tell?


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

First do your own homework:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarce...

When I say empty your prisons, I am speaking metaphorically, the criminals would still need (in your system) somewhere to reside, but smoking a joint would no longer get someone a record.

Take a look at your countries prisoner levels, they are truly a disgrace and clearly show that whatever policy you guys are following, does not work.

75% of black Americans will apparently end up with a prison record for drug offences, and you guys think that is a system working correctly?

"What do you think of aguasilver’s recommended cure for cancer?

Would you opt for that or chemotherapy?

I wonder why Bill Hicks didn’t cure himself of cancer."

Chemo (which name means poison) kills more victims than the actual cancers it supposedly works against, it destroys the bodies immune system at exactly the time when the system needs restoration.

If I were ever diagnosed with a cancer, chemo would be out of the picture completely, and I would establish what natural treatment would be correct for the particular cancer involved.

THC Oil would undoubtedly feature in the cure, but different cancers need different approaches.

Bill Hicks was unable to cure himself for the simple reason that at that point in time THC Oil had not been discovered as the cure, if you watched the video, then you will see that Rick Simpson is not some long haired dopehead, he is a man with a cause and vision who has been forsaken by his country for exposing the truth.

A man who has plenty of factual evidence (cured cancer victims) to prove the case, but is denied any open hearing.

Had the truth not been suppressed, then Bill may have still been alive.

Now I am out of here also, your hub needed the corrections to it's biased and hysterical points, you are now just trying to protect your stance, and it is obvious you are stuck in your opinions, no matter that there is stacks of evidence against them.

Have a good day, and if you ever get cancer, please don't let stubborn pride kill you, research THC Oil and get cured.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

aguasilver, when you say “research TCH Oil and get cured” you make it sound oh so simple. Unfortunately, it’s not. This mentality that “cannabis is the solution to everything” is delusional. Like I said in my last post, I have no problem with medical cannabis if its use is controlled properly. But to combine potential benefits from cannabis used strictly for medical reasons with smoking cannabis just to get high and then rant about how wonderful it is and how wrong anybody who questions your rants is, reeks of like intellectual dishonesty to me.

The Kanzius Cancer Research Foundation is developing the Kanzius Noninvasive Radiowave Cancer Treatment. Basically this involves passing a controlled radio wave over a nanoparticle to destroy a cancer cell without side effects. Maybe this will be the “cancer cure” everyone is looking for. Maybe not. Cannabis has been around for thousands of years. People still have cancer. I think some new technology we do not have yet eventually will prove to be the cure for cancer.

I will address the misinformation about prisons you have presented in a separate comment.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Actually no need to BnG, but if you wish to, I also have a hub that will tell you why prison is actually not Gods idea at all.

It's called 'why prison is illegal'


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Prison is illegal? No wonder you have so many fleas in your ears, aguasilver.

Did you miss this verse?

Ezra 7:26: “And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.”

Right, imprisonment.

Prisons aren’t illegal, marijuana is illegal. And if you are doing something illegal, you just might go to prison. That’s the bottom line. Medical benefits of cannabis, decriminalization, and other related issues can certainly be debated, but that does not change what could happen TODAY if you smoke dope.

I principally wrote this hub as a message to young people, for example 18-year-old college freshmen like Steve Stoned and my daughter. I doubt most old stoners really give a hoot. Their brains are too fried to care all that much.

Marijuana has been politically correct on most college campuses for decades, so I found this on the North Dakota State University website somewhat surprising:

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Myth: It's not a big deal if I get caught with marijuana.

Fact: As a Schedule I controlled substance, marijuana is illegal in the United States. Possession of marijuana or drug paraphernalia for marijuana are considered misdemeanors, and delivery of marijuana or intent to deliver within 1,000 feet of a school (including a university) are class B felonies. Penalties for these crimes range from a $1,000 fine and 30-days imprisonment for a class B misdemeanor to a $10,000 fine and up to 10 years’ imprisonment for a class B felony.

Students caught with marijuana will also be required to go through the university judicial process and will face additional sanctions, which may include removal from on-campus housing. Furthermore, students who have been convicted of possession or sale of a controlled substance, such as marijuana, while receiving financial aid will become ineligible to receive financial aid for at least one year, and possibly indefinitely.

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Hmmm, that’s interesting. Getting busted for dope will jeopardize a student’s financial aid. Most students get some financial aid. But usually not enough, so they have to take out student loans. Hmmm, we could be talking of losing close to $10,000 in financial aid in some cases. That’s for one year.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Myth: Driving high is safer than driving drunk.

Fact: Marijuana affects alertness, concentration, perception, coordination and reaction time – essential skills required for safe driving. Even moderate doses of marijuana have been shown to impair driving performance. Researchers from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found that 17% of crash victims under the age of 18 tested positive for marijuana.

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The above is also posted on the North Dakota State University website, and I happen to agree with it. Smoking dope does not make you a better driver.

I had a conversation with my 18-year-old daughter the other day about distracted driving, specifically about cell phones and hanging necklaces from your rearview mirror, which is illegal in PA. We have had this conversation before, but this time I put it strictly in financial terms.

She has around $2,000 in a bank account that is her money. She earned it. I told her that if she has an accident that is her fault, it is going to cost her $2,000 if she wants to keep driving. $500 for the deductible. The insurance premium for her car is around $2,000 a year. With my company, you get surcharged 30% for the first year, 20% for the second year, and 10% for the third year, for one at-fault accident. So that’s another $1,200. Then several hundred dollars for a rental while her car is being repaired. That adds up to around $2,000. No more money in her bank account. How is she going to pay $56 for a hair appointment like she did the other day?

And the point is? Don’t do anything that will adversely affect your ability to safely drive a car. It could cost you big bucks if you do. Of course that includes smoking dope.

I think I’ll change the title of this hub from “Hey Dope, Smoking Dope Is Illegal” to “Hey Dope, Smoking Dope Is Illegal and Could Cost You Big Bucks.”

So I wonder who pays for the car insurance for the 18-year-old stoner I addressed in this hub.

Oh yeah, what will it cost for the lawyer if you get busted for dope and you want to minimize your jail time and possibly prevent the arrest from becoming a permanent part of your “record” I wonder. Big bucks! More on this to follow soon.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Answered this, but the answer was so long, I turned it into a hub!


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Why doesn’t that surprise me, aguasilver?

Here is the link to the hub for anyone who would like to read it:

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Answer-to-...

It begins with:

“B&G, I paid for my sons excess insurance cover when he started driving, and we knew from looking at the interior that he was drinking and smoking, thankfully more smoking than drinking.

In the first year he was driving he had three smashes, we were fully comprehensive, so it just hiked our premium up.

He was LEARNING to drive, just like he was LEARNING to live and make decisions for himself.”

I absolutely would not condone this sort of behavior by my teenage daughter. Not only could she kill herself, she could kill somebody else.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

So you get to play God?

You may not condone it, that's your (personal) choice, and I did not condone it either, knowing the dangers that are out there, any more than I 'condoned' my son going away on mission to a place where one week there were 65 shootings within 1 mile from his home, but God obviously did condone it, because three years later he is alive and well and serving God.

Coming to faith at 40+ years of age meant that I had 'experienced' much more of what the world offers than my son probably managed during his time 'out there' - and one thing I knew was that it was his ultimate decision whether he obeyed Christ or himself.

As I also stated, we are CUSTODIANS not OWNERS of our children, and no matter what we have not condoned, they can still do what we do not condone; unless we keep them under lock and key, in which case what we do not condone will wait for them when they escape our control freak mentality.

As believers, our children have a modicum of protection whilst under our cover, but once they leave, they are fair game for the enemy to take a swing at, and unless they have also by then, come to faith in Christ (and I do not mean that they made some sinners prayer at Sunday school for an eager scalp hunter) they will need to make their REAL decision as to whether Christ or the enemy controls their lives.

But if we have shown them the ways of God whilst they were young, they will not depart when they are older, and that my friend is the bottom line, if we have been good witnesses for Christ in OUR lives and by our actions, they will be secure when they are tasked to decide for themselves what THEY will condone in their lives.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Playing God? It’s not about playing God, aguasilver, it’s about being a responsible God-fearing parent.

Does this sound like an echo? Smoking dope is illegal. Drinking alcohol is illegal if you are under the age of 21 in the U.S. And mixing a teenager driving with alcohol/drugs is an accident waiting to happen.

Now, you said there was evidence of alcohol and drug’s in your son’s vehicle, which I assume means he had been driving after partaking.

When I say “I absolutely would not condone this sort of behavior by my teenage daughter” what I mean is no more car and no more money. She knows “the rules” and she knows the consequences for breaking the rules.

Where’s your friend, Lee Tea? Just so happens I was in Erie, Pa, on Friday, where she lives. I took a friend who can’t drive to the VA Hospital there. While killing time I picked up an Erie Times-News. On page 7B there is an article entitled “Young Voices: Teen’s advice for Millcreek schools: Stop drug use, smoking.” In it the young lady writes, “My brother graduated from McDowell this year, and, together, he and I could write a book about our experiences around drugs. One of his most memorable experiences was on the very first day of school. He was in the lunch line and the boy in front of him was smoking weed. In the lunch line!” And on and on.

Do you see anything wrong with that picture, aguasilver?


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

B&G, we obviously are not going to reach any agreement on these things and I think (as you are again repeating yourself) there is no real point in trying to go any further.

In Europe the boy smoking in the lunch-line,or anywhere else inside a building except designated (outside) smoking areas, would be breaking the law no matter what he was smoking.

In Europe (as opposed to the UK) parents teach their children how to drink before they start socialising, and we have far less alcoholism as a result.

Prohibition will ALWAYS result in criminality, therefore I will not condone censorship and prohibition.

Education cures excess, prohibition creates forbidden fruit, and we both know that forbidden fruit is always more attractive to a young mind.

Responsible God fearing parents who have taught their charges the ways of God in their everyday lives, have no fear that the children will reject God simply because they have been exposed to the world when they reach maturity.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Reefer Madness: Driving High Doubles Likelihood of Fatal Crash

New research finds that high drivers are twice as likely to cause a fatal crash as sober drivers

By Jason Koebler

February 9, 2012

Driving with a doobie is now officially a bad idea: According to Canadian researchers, people who smoke marijuana within three hours of driving are twice as likely to cause a crash than someone who is sober.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/09/ree...


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CriticalMessage 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

Cough, cough, cough, cough, cough.... this was funny !,,, can I borrow your lighter.... cough, cough, cough, cough...


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tirelesstraveler 4 years ago from California

The whole"Pot" is better than "Tobacco" is where I get upset. No one ever mentions the genetic enzyme mutations caused by smoking pot. There is never mention of the cancer causing agents, or the fact that a person with cancer smoking pot can develop a fungal lung infection. Pot may make you feel good, but to the people around you you just look like you are a pot head.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

Thank you for your excellent comment, tirelesstraveler.

Pot heads don't do much for me either, especially when they are behind the wheel of a car. Therefore, I suggest they walk to Burger King.


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BLACKANDGOLDJACK 4 years ago from Blitzburgh area Author

I might add that smoking dope also makes a guy's sperm act dumb and dumber.

You can read all about it right here on HubPages in the article entitled "Does smoking pot really make guys infertile?" by Science Matters:

http://hubpages.com/education/Does-smoking-pot-rea...

I would, however, suggest to you pot heads that you do not rely on smoking dope as effective birth control. I can just hear the pot heads. "I don't need to use a condom, babe, I'm on the pill 'er I mean pot."

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