Shocking News About Psychiatric Medications and Treatment

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Incredible Horrors of Psychiatric Medications and Treatments
Incredible Horrors of Psychiatric Medications and Treatments

Shocking News About Psychiatric Medications and Treatments

"Shocking Facts About Psychiatric Medications"," Incredible Horrors of Psychiatric Drugs", and "Horrifying Reality of Psychiatric Medication for Children", all published here on HubPages by SunSeven, are my inspirations for this hub on "Shocking News About Psychiatric Medications and Treatments". The title is a bit of a play on words, because I do want to talk about “shock therapy” or ECT (electro-convulsive therapy) as a viable treatment for depression in some instances, in addition to providing some reliable sources of information about psychiatric medications. I would also like to clarify some misperceptions about mental health treatment in the United States that are presented in SunSeven’s hubs on the "shocking facts about psychiatric medications", etc.

Ironically, my original hub idea was to share information about best selling author and journalist, Judith Warner, who investigated this topic for six years and published her findings in her book, We’ve Got Issues: Children and Parents in the Age of Medication. Her initial judgments were very similar to SunSeven’s, and very different after six years of investigation. Judith Warner has been awarded by the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) and is seen in the below video interviewing with National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) Director, Tom Insel.

When searching Google for a title for this hub, I encountered SunSeven’s hubs, and felt obligated to respond to the shocking facts about psychiatric medications she presents, with more accurate and up to date information about psychiatric medications and treatments in the United States. As mentioned by Judith Warner, 5% of children are taking psychiatric medications, while up to 20% of children might benefit from them. Many children and adults are not receiving treatment for very treatable conditions because of false information and stigma related to mental illness and mental health treatment.

Let's begin with a look at the information presented by Judith Warner in the video, then examine some information about psychiatric medications and treatment in the United States.

Author Judith Warner with NIMH Director, Tom Insel

Human Rights

SunSeven shares some research indicating that every 75 seconds someone in the US is committed into a mental institution against his will, strong methods are used to restrain these patients, and that 100,000 people a year die in mental institutions. I’m not familiar with this research or the statistics, but let’s assume the numbers are accurate. Then let’s put them in a proper context and perspective.

Historically, there have been horrendous stories of abuses and substandard conditions in institutions. Primitive methods of electro-shock therapy were used. Ice cold baths and showers that were believed to shock patients out of depression were common, and frontal and pre frontal lobotomies that were believed to calm patients by surgically removing parts of the brain were common practices. It would be naïve to imagine that there are no abuses that occur now, but much has changed. There are very few mental institutions operating today, and it is very difficult to get admitted to one or to admit someone against their will. It can be done in instances of imminent danger to the patient or others.

When mental institutions were closed in favor of community mental health and due to a lack of funding for the institutions, mentally ill patients were essentially evicted and left homeless. Many who were stabilized in the institutions discontinued their medications and became severely symptomatic and unable to function. Some were dangerous. Today many of the patients who were in mental institutions are now in correctional institutions. For some, this is the only way they can get treatment and medications; not to mention shelter and three squares. While most correctional institutions do have some mental health services for severely mentally ill persons, correctional institutions are intended to house criminals not treat mental illness. Most inmates do have some problems with addiction and mental health, but their symptoms are not severe enough to get treatment while incarcerated, and they don’t typically seek treatment when they’re not incarcerated unless they are court ordered to do so. They often don’t perceive that they have a problem, but are perceived by others as having problems. Therefore, they have no reason or motivation to seek treatment.

Some people who would have been institutionalized in the past are now able to function fully on medications and with supports in the community. The very recent emergence of psychiatric medications to manage mood, anxiety and psychotic symptoms allows many to function effectively in the community who would otherwise have not been able to, and would have historically been housed in mental institutions. Many people in the community have symptoms and could be helped by psychiatric medications, but they suffer unnecessarily with their symptoms, because they are afraid to get treatment, afraid they will be committed against their will, afraid of the stigma associated with mental illness, and afraid that the side effects of psychiatric medications will outweigh the benefits.

Electroconvulsive Therapy (ECT)

The following information from the NIMH website is provided in response to SunSeven’s reference to ECT as inhumane treatment:

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is another treatment option that may be particularly useful for individuals whose depression is severe or life threatening, or who cannot take antidepressant medication. ECT often is effective in cases where antidepressant medications do not provide sufficient relief of symptoms. The exact mechanisms by which ECT exerts its therapeutic effect are not yet known.40

In recent years, ECT has much improved. Before treatment, which is done under brief anesthesia, patients are given a muscle relaxant. Electrodes are placed at precise locations on the head to deliver electrical impulses. The stimulation causes a brief (about 30 seconds) generalized seizure within the brain, which is necessary for therapeutic efficacy. The person receiving ECT does not consciously experience the electrical stimulus.

A typical course of ECT entails six to 12 treatments, administered at a rate of three times per week, on either an inpatient or outpatient basis. To sustain the response to ECT, continuation treatment, often in the form of antidepressant and/or mood stabilizer medication, must be instituted. Some individuals may require maintenance ECT (M ECT), which is delivered on an outpatient basis at a rate usually of one treatment weekly, tapered off to bi weekly to monthly for up to one year.

The most common side effects of ECT are confusion and memory loss for events surrounding the period of ECT treatment. The confusion and disorientation experienced upon awakening after ECT typically clear within an hour. More persistent memory problems are variable and can be minimized with the use of modern treatment techniques, such as application of both stimulus electrodes to the right side of the head (unilateral ECT).40,41 A recent study showed no adverse cognitive effects of M ECT after one year.42

NIMH publications are in the public domain and may be reproduced or copied without the permission from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). NIMH encourages you to reproduce them and use them in your efforts to improve public health. Citation of the National Institute of Mental Health as a source is appreciated.

Treatment or Cure

SunSeven very astutely points out that psychiatric medications do not cure mental disorders. A cure means the condition goes away with treatment like an infection can be cured with antibiotics. Treatments can get rid of symptoms for awhile or while taking the treatment, or they can make symptoms less severe or easier to manage. There are many medical conditions that can be effectively treated and managed, but are not necessarily ever cured; including addictive disorders, asthma, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, near and far sightedness, hearing loss, herpes, etc. Many of these conditions involve relapses or recurrences that require re-stabilization, and sometimes medications can be used to prevent relapses. Typically, an early intervention leads to better outcomes in that the disease or disorder does not progress, symptoms are less severe, the person’s functioning is less impaired, and their quality of life and dignity can be maintained. As with any medication or medical procedure, there are risks and benefits associated with psychiatric medications. An informed consumer will want to be aware of these, know where to find reliable information, talk to their prescriber, and make an informed decision based on accurate facts and an analysis of the benefits and risks. Below are some links to reliable online sources of information about psychiatric medications that are based on current research.

Research

SunSeven points out that research promoted by pharmaceutical companies may not be the most reliable source of information, and that physicians may be unduly influenced by drug reps. Judith Warner also addresses this concern in depth in her book. SunSeven indicates that the FDA requirements are not as stringent for psychiatric medications as they ought to be. Perhaps these are areas in need of improvement. To conclude, however, that all psychiatric medications are totally bad for everyone would not be a rational conclusion. The best research is done with large numbers of participants over a long period of time. Because psychiatric medications are so new, there really is not good research available today, and in that regard, the millions of people in the world who are taking them are truly “guinea pigs” or laboratory mice.

There is a lot that is not known yet about psychiatric medications and treatments. A discovery can only be made by exploring the unknown and tolerating the period of uncertainty that precedes knowledge. To conclude, as many do, that psychiatry does not rightly belong in the field of medicine because a person’s brain chemistry can’t be seen on a scan or measured in urine or blood tests is premature. If a disease is defined as a morbid process with characteristic signs and symptoms, laboratory confirmation is not required to classify a condition as a disease.

Some would argue that psychiatric conditions are not disorders or diseases, but mythology created by psychiatrists who are politically motivated to control society in the same manner that Nazis gained control of Germany. SunSeven refers to The Citizens Commission on Human Rights International (CCHRINT), a mental health watchdog organization, who shares this view. While it is a violation of ethical practice in psychiatry and all other mental health professions to use human subjects as involuntary research subjects or to violate human rights in any way, ethical violations do occur and watchdog organizations are needed. There are some mental health providers who have strong control needs and misuse their power, and there are some who feel compelled to erroneously diagnose every behavior as pathological. These practices should be questioned and, if appropriate, reported to the professional’s supervisor or licensure board. Again, to conclude that the entire field of psychiatry is “bad” or “evil” because some of its members make poor choices is just not rational.

Below is a video from the CCHRINT website that endorses the view that psychiatry is not medicine and that psychiatric disorders are mythological, for those who like to consider all sides of an issue. There are a number of other videos at their website.

 

Dr. Jeffrey Schaler’s speech on psychiatry upon accepting the Thomas S. Szasz Award at CCHR International’s Anniversary and Human Rights Awards Ceremony.

John Breeding, PhD on Human Rights Violations in Psychiatry

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fetty 6 years ago from South Jersey

Very insightful hub backed up by excellent research. Any article that helps to dispel myths about mental illness is sorely needed in our society today. My sister functions in society because of ECT and a daunting and persistent husband . He keeps up with her medicine and allows her to succeed as best she can. It is a very really haunting brain disorder that currently is still misunderstood. Great hub . Thank you for a wonderful public service. In NJ and Philadelphia a large number of the forgotten mentally ill are homeless and die in the heat and the cold without intervention from charities and the police.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

fetty! hi. so glad to hear from you. It's amazing what meds, ect and loving support can do. I know when I worked in a county jail for awhile, the officers would round up the homeless on severely cold days. It's difficult for most of us to think of being incarcerated as a blessing. I'm really glad your sister is benefitting from treatment today - and was not subject to some of the primitive practices in the past! Best regards.


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Minnetonka Twin 6 years ago from Minnesota

kimh039-Excellent information here on mental illness, meds and myths. You really did some good work here and I thank you for it. I am in the mental health field and really appreciate you took the time to get to the facts.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

Thanks Minnetonka Twin. I guess this really is a public service announcement, as fetty points out! Interestingly, I have gotten more twitter messages on this hub than comments so far. I'm thinking that's the stigma showing.


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msorensson 6 years ago

Sadly most of it is true, however I have to caution you that some of them do require the medications ...

I do not believe in shock therapy..akkhh

This hub is painful to read..for more reasons than one but it is good to have it out in the open.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

msorensson, I was so glad to see you stopped to comment. Thank you! I'm not sure I understand your caution about some requiring meds. If you find your way back, feel free to elaborate! Sorry it was painful to read. I'll have to keep that in mind when I write. Thanks for the heads up.


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gracenotes 6 years ago from North Texas

Nice hub and well-researched.

I know people that have been situationally depressed, who were on medication, and now cannot get off said medication, even though their mental disposition is much improved. How disturbing that this is so.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

thanks gracenotes for taking time to read and comment. appreciate it....and for the info. painful and disturbing.


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vrbmft 6 years ago from Yucaipa, California

Another well written Hub. Your voice comes through the words even though I have never heard your voice! Maybe, better your inflections come through! And maybe it is all my projections!! Well written with lots of back up research data.

I still cannot get my brain around ECT especially since they don't really know why it works or how. I would guess if there is impact on memory, then perhaps it effects the way the brain makes sense out of (processes)emotional experiences and eventually then stores those experiences in the hippocampus (memory) or in the case of depression, perhaps one's inability to make sense of emotional experiences and the emotion hangs over the person like a cloud that won't go anywhere. Perhaps the ECT "short-circuits" the process to where you no longer have that sense that something is hanging over me.

I know personally, I avoid any kind of shock. It reminds me too much of people telling me that it was the whoopins they got that kept them out of prison, but then go on to tell me a host of other wonderful ways their parents took care of them, held them accountable, encouraged them, set limits, pushed and dragged them across the finish line, so to speak, but they still focus on the whoopins. It makes no sense to me that ECT is a therapeutic treatment. It seems to work because we look at the results for SOME patients. But there are other folks who have serious serious memory issues as a result of ECT. I hate to say it, but I think it is barbaric. To me it's not about whether or not it "works" and by whose definition, but there are just some things you don't do and putting electrodes to someones brain and causing a seizure is one of them, in my book!!

And there are a lot of little people with that diagnosis of ADD and ADHD and ADZD (just being cynical) who need minimal verbage from the big people, but action in the form of containment, redirection, consistency, firmness, etc. etc. and a teacher skilled in working with tactile and kinesthetic learners. I tell folks with ADD kids, to have the child stand on a chair or stool so both parent and child are at eye level when it comes to giving directions, and "play" some kind of "pattycake" with the hands to where you stimulate left right integration while you give the directions. Seems to help a lot.

I like lexipro because it supports an existing chemical feedback loop between the hippocampus and the prefrontal lobe, and some forms of mood stabilizers seem critical in assisting folks with bipolar or bipolar like issues.

Feeback I get from clients is there are some psychiatrists who are really excellent in really knowing the various meds and even fewer who have any kind of bed side manner and even fewer who would even for a split second know what talk therapy is. Sorry if any of you reading this are a psychiatrist. Counter my comment if I am off base.

Kind of long comment. Maybe I should just write a hub!!

Vern


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

Thanks Vern!!! So, even though it's well written and there's lots of research, you're still skeptical. That's good - means you're still thinking. Love your long comments, but yeah, you could've just written another hub! "See ya" soon.


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Micky Dee 6 years ago

Yo Kim! Not shocking to me. The shocking part is that the news is out in a big way. Many people have been sentenced to hell by psychiatrists. That hell is aided by medicattion as well as imprisonment.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

I'm not sure I follow Micky Dee, but am always glad when you take the time to read and comment. I get the idea you know of someone who hasn't had a good time of it with psychiatry. Feel free to elaborate if you like. It could be the topic of another hub!


jasper420 6 years ago

nice hub very intellagent reaserch I suffer from bipolar disoder and have been subjected to many different kinds of treatments the info on ect was great i always wondered about it and how it worked thanks for a great hub


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

Thank you so much jasper, for the complement and for sharing some about your experiences. It sounds like you've had a rough go of it with bipolar and your treatments up until now. I hope you find any future treatment experiences to be more positive and helpful! I'm glad you found the ECT info helpful.


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lambservant 6 years ago from Pacific Northwest

Sr. Schaler's speech is very disturbing to me. People who have schizophrenia are not behaving inapporpriately for any reason other than they have an organic brain disease. I honestly don't know how that Dr, got an award. Needless to say, your hub was well written and the interview with Tom Isen and Judith Warner was very substantial. I am disgusted with the pharmecutical companies and what they do and influence drs. But I thank God for the medications and their ability to give a person with a mental illness a better quality of life. I am not fond of paychiatrist usually because they often have a poor bedside manner. I have been blessed to have found some very good ones for my family member with a mental illness and her quality of life is much improced. Thanks for your time and effort into this topic.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

Thank you for taking your time to read and comment lambservant. I'm loving the comments on this hub, better than the research! It's enlightening and helpful to hear what people's actual experiences are. Again, thanks so much.


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cathylynn99 6 years ago from northeastern US

i have a serious mental illness and my meds completely control it. no one would ever know if i didn't tell them. the worst part for me is the baseless stigma. i can't get a job outside the mental health field. folks who have mental illness commit violent crimes at no greater rate than the general population. when it happens, it gets lots of press. folks who have mental illness, however, are victims of crime more often than the general population.

the reason psychiatrists don't do talk therapy any more is that insurance won't pay for them to do it. most psychiatrists have talk therapists they work with.


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kimh039 6 years ago Author

Hi cathylynn. That's awesome that your condition is well managed by meds....and that you are able to work. It's sad when people don't get a good response from meds, and aren't able to work because of their symptoms.


endrun 5 years ago

I thoroughly disagree.

Anyone can make an "intellectual argument" asserting that believing this or that about Psychiatry and the mental health system is not rational--particularly if you have not experienced the hijinks therein. I have. The patients groups are all correct--it is all about money, influence, power, and corruption of laws already on the books. The industry does not care while all the while proclaiming it does. Involuntary commitment laws, both at the state and federal level, are regularly abused and ignored. The "rationale"(to use the root word) from the industry's gurus--ie, Psychiatrists--like E. Fuller Torrey--is that in paternalistic behavior of Psychiatry, folks could not take care of themselves if they were not committed. This has been proven nonsense time and again and has led to the movement against the stronger movement of institutionalization of as many people as Psychiatry can get its grubby little hands on. The argument that deinstitutionalization led to homelessness is not at all an indictment of the practice as evil, but more an indictment of the practice as creating an unnecessary dependency upon it, as the dependencies within the system all work to sustain each "arm" of the system.

"Ability to work" is not an all-encompassing or specific symptom to so-called mental illness. Many medical conditions can impinge upon that, but this continues to be used and misused and abused by the fear-mongering mental disease industry.

Szasz has written extensively about legal and ethical issues along with civil rights ones, and correctly because Psychiatry doesn't care about those. Nor have any proper controls been initiated to counter those--which is what I would require the industry to adopt and accept prior to asserting that it is all that "improved". It is instead a lawless regime incapable, unwilling, and steadfastly opposed to policing itself.

I was canned last summer for making a statement, which was not literal, about a local political figure with whom I had developed some legitimate issues in seeking employment and traded barbs and criticisms with on a blog, during which he issued threats against me. Those of course were ignored in my canning operation--which included the cancellation by the hospital director of the attending shrink's conversion of my legal status to informal on the same day without examining me(which he averred to doing on the form, which is filing a false instrument). Each and every staff member at the hospital worked to create a "story" about the matter and insisted that no other story be heard. If people wonder why we have a national health insurance crisis this is one of the reasons--the hospital billed MedicAid for this sham operation--to the tune of $18,079, and of course was paid. The Social Worker I was assigned never said "boo" to me( I didn't learn her name until I got the records later on). And other falsifications which was all designed to simply create a story.

Now--that was 2010. I would like to go back in my memory to 1968--when I was 11 years old and first so incarcerated. That context was a parochial school situation in which the Nun who ran the school insisted on this over an issue with an elderly teacher who left the room quite frequently and seemed to pick on me to blame when the room was devoid of discipline as a result upon her returns thereto. My parents were simply told I had to be taken into the world of either Psychology or Psychiatry or face summary expulsion. I was sadly taken through the latter and was canned unexpectedly one day. I was the only child on that locked unit, but that didn't stop them from placing me in a straightjacket, solitary confinement, and being shot in the buttocks with heavy doses of tranqulizers. The medication du jour was Thorazine, which I was ordered to consume for about a year thereafter.

I was a skinny kid and only after many years did I learn I had Celiac Sprue, Ulcerative Colitis, and Primary Sclerosing Cholangitis(I will likely die of the latter barring a successful liver transplant). This was a case of failure to properly and timely diagnose and properly treat medical conditions which can certainly impact behavior and functionality.

Psychiatry however, doesn't give a crap. It will never reverse its own diagnoses, nor, in anyone's case, reverse the consequences of having a "history" in case I happen to re-encounter it(and I hope to never ever re-encounter it). Just as the patient's groups have asserted, patients have been left out deliberately of any discussion on this topic, including MHA and NAMI and all the big groups supposedly so concerned for fairness and justice and all that. It is all bullshit--I agree with the patients groups. They don't care a crap about anything but maintaining all arms of the multi-bazillion dollar industry, and you see, when you have this--patient concerns or civil or human rights--seem really minor in comparison--and then we can entertain you see only those comments which seem balanced. But against a backdrop of a system that is supremely unbalanced--the theorizing means really nothing but an intellectual exercise, and inasmuch as patients will not present as "sanitized" a picture as the mental health industry including organizations such as NAMI or MHA--they remain locked out of the discussion. To adopt anything any patient ever said about how the system operates is to somehow adopt something that isn't "rational"-the selfsame condescending bullshit psychology that underlies the operation of the industry in the first place. I therefore disagree vehemently with such statements.

The major "benefit" Psychiatry has offered society is to remove those deemed mentally ill from much of criminal culpability. This is another sphere of influence of Psychiatry that has gone beyond the extent of what is truly "rational", as Dr. Szasz has asserted. Here, I adopt a more marginal viewpoint in terms of seeing both sides of the fence: John Hinckley Jr. did appear so impaired with delusions, not manufactured by the mental illness industry, that would have, in my mind as well as that of the jury overseeing his case, removed him from culpability criminally from the act he performed;however, this is clearly an exception and just as those mental illness industry people both assert that violence in those diagnosed with mental illnesses is rare yet countenance and accept the brutal force measures of involuntary commitment to keep folks in line which supposedly prevents them from committing acts of violence in the future.

The media in the Jared Loughner story now restate and restate ad nauseum of how Jared had some mental issues and gee if he had just been able to "get help" etc etc. It perpetuates a myth that somehow the mental health system can prevent violence and therefore provides a basis of comfort that has no real basis at all. And, as Dr. Szasz points out, this overmedicalization of social issues serves to undermine the criminal justice system and destroy freedoms in a nation built upon the sacredness of various individual freedoms at the hands of the government. The government in this case is silent and no, there is no shortage of "watchdog" organizations--which may include organizations at the state level ostensibly designed to perform this-- but miserably fails to do "Watchdogging of any significance" year after year because the hospital, insurance,professional, and pharmaceutical industries are simply too powerful politically to permit anything of the kind from going forward.


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kimh039 5 years ago Author

Thanks for the thought provoking comments, endrun. I think it is easier and more comfortable to accept more rational explanations than to do the work of really exploring the extremes of an issue. I definitely have a strong preference for middle ground, myself; with a corresponding disdain for easy fixes.

I think there is quite a bit of "playing god" that goes on when it comes to trying to determine if someone is "safe" or "unsafe" toward self and others. I also think there is a range of providers; from those who wouldn't know violence if it stared them in the face and others who see potential for violence in every thought and gesture. I also believe there are providers who feign concern in order to manipulate, as well as corporate entities that abuse power and are motivated by greed. I wouldn't want to be on the power down side of either! I can see why you value your power and freedom so dearly.

The fact that you never saw your social worker during your stay is appalling, and that thorazine incident you experienced as a child is heart wrenching. You have a lot to say endrun; and you do a good job of saying it, I might add! I look forward to seeing some of your hubs on here, and hearing your perspective. As for me, I think I'll check a little deeper into those patient advocate groups. Thanks endrun.


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Maggie.L 5 years ago from UK

A well researched and informative hub about an important and controversial issue. I have an uncle who was diagnosed as mentally ill over 30 years ago. He was subsequently put on medication (which I can't remember the name of). Three years ago he was found to have kidney problems - definitely directly caused by long term medication - so was taken off this medication and issued with another medication. He has since had regular panic attacks as he had become reliant on this medication. He also will soon need to be on kidney dialysis treatment due to the kidney damage. Last year he was finally diagnosed as having aspergers syndrome - a form of autism. I have a few friends who have children with aspergers and I'm glad to say that they are getting help whilst they are young - not medication though so it looks like some conditions are more understood now.


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kimh039 5 years ago Author

Thanks Maggie. So much more is known, yet so little. I hope your uncle is getting good care.... and I hope psychiatric treatments get better and better. Thanks for taking the time to read and share your real experience.


Cheryl 5 years ago

Endrun you are so right. I think a lot of people are diagnosed with a 'mental illness' when they actually have a physical illness. The physical illness is ignored and you are just drugged up for no reason. Drugging leads to 'insanity' so they are 'proved right'!


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kimh039 5 years ago Author

Cheryl, I wonder if you could give specific examples of a person or persons you know who had a physical illness that was diagnosed as a mental illness. Or what conditions(s) you are referring to. I think that would be helpful to know. I do know of instances where people became suicidal because of physical illnesses that haven't been treated adequately, and I know when people have early dementia a UTI can make them have psychiatric symptoms until the UTI is treated. Typically the medical and the psychiatric conditions are both addressed though.

Your comment makes it sound like it's an everyday occurrence when a person gets psychiatric medications for a condition they don't have, and then the medications make them insane. That would be so sad if that actually happened to someone, but without specific examples I find it hard to believe.


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ubanichijioke 5 years ago from Lagos

A great piece. You ve a sound reasoning on this subject and an expert information & knowledge. I am well informed. Voted useful and interesting


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kimh039 5 years ago Author

Thank you ubanichijioke. I think it is important to understand all sides to a discussion, make decisions based on facts, and that there are not always perfect solutions. The expression, "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" comes to mind. Sometimes we "throw away" a good solution because it isn't perfect. Thanks for drawing attention to the reasoning on this subject, ubanichijioke. How observant!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

My Maternal Grandfathers parents both died together in the same mental hospital - they'd been separated and hadn't seen each other in many a year, and then reunited as patients in Terrell State Hospital.

True story.

Also, My Maternal Grandfather's Mother had electro shock therapy done - and by all accounts including her own, it was a tremendous success.

Is that strange or uncommon - for folks to have LIKED the electro shock therapy?


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kimh039 5 years ago Author

That's a story waiting to be published about your grandparents, Wesman Todd Shaw. A lot of people are helped tremendously by ECT today. Your great grandmother must have gotten her ECT a long time ago. I'm guessing she liked the results rather than the procedure; to go from severely depressed to well in a fairly short time would be life altering. Thanks for the comment WTS. Let me know if you do a hub on your grandparents!

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