The Disgusting Side Of Veganism

The Modern Vegan

Most Vegans Are NOT Decent Persons

The typical vegan sales pitch.

Shock Tactics and Veganism.

With apologies to the three lovely and kind vegan women I know, the one Rastafarian and the one Hindu; literally every single other vegan I've encountered on the world wide web is a horrible person, and does everything within their power to ensure there are as few new members of the vegan community as humanly possible. You see, vegans have the single worst public relations campaign in the history of the world.

This page will not be a slander of veganism, but a slander of the vegans themselves. They slander themselves royally, and continually, nearly all day, every day, non stop. Humanity, you see, is completely and totally a species of omnivores. We even have the large brains we have today due to the consumption of meat. Veganism is a study of scientific illiteracy, as the vegans often claim eating meat is "un-natural." Just never mind how utterly false the claim is. Eating meat and cooking food made us the humans we are today.

Are you proud to have a large brain? Thank your meat eating ancestors for it, your large brain and the powers of reasoning and perception it has are thanks to them. In fact, the only reason you are reading this at all is because you are a human or Homo sapien, and the only reason you are that is because your ancestors ate meat. Eating meat made us human.

The problem with the vegan hordes is simple. Vegans don't care about facts. Vegans don't care about science. Vegans only have a single trick to attempt to sway the non-vegan, and the trick is emotion over logic. Veganism is inherently illogical simply because you are already an omnivore. You were born an omnivore, and there is nothing you can do to change that single, simple fact.

The United Nations - Pushing Veganism and Compliance To Oligarchy

Is it any wonder that such an evil organization of oligarchy as the United Nations pushes a vegan diet? The science is plain and simple, you are an omnivore, you were born to be that way, and I've already established how humanity only even became what it is for the eating of meat, a high protein diet is essential to the size of our brains.

Thanks to my meat eating ancestors I have air conditioning, we've got automobiles, and computers too. Is it any wonder the United Nations seeks a dumber humanity? A humanity more pliable for slavery? It's no wonder to me, compliance to the United Nations is the death of intellectual behavior, the death of reason, the death of rationality, the death of humanity.

Recently former president Bill Clinton has endorsed veganism. Are you impressed? I'm not, Bill Clinton, of course, saw to it that a half million persons died of neglect in Iraq during his presidency. That he and his wife are both prostitutes for the United Nations is plain and simple, just read the news. When it comes to vegan role models, Bill Clinton is as bad as it gets, it could only be worse were George W. Bush or Barack Hussein Obama to push veganism, as either of those two are even more the warmonger than Clinton.

Evangelical Veganism

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Veganism is anti-science, and based in emotional response, and not logic or truth

Every vegan sales pitch is based in an emotional argument. There's nothing remotely scientific towards the betterment of humanity or the Earth concerning an increase in vegans on the Terra firma. Veganism and vegans presuppose some things to be objective fact, and objectively moral despite them being nothing of the sort. Every human is born an omnivore, and every human dies the same way - an omnivore. The denial that this is so, is simply un-scientific.

Vegetarians are not vegans, as vegetarians consume fine things like eggs, honey, dairy, etc; but even vegetarians lead a lower quality of life. Vegetarians are twice as likely to have allergies, fifty percent more likely to have a heart attack, and nearly fifty percent more likely to have cancer. Veganism or vegetarianism can't even solve any environmental problems, but leave it to a vegan or vegetarian to claim they will, as always, this is based in non-science and faulty "logic."

Vegan Morality

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Eating Meat IS Natural - All Humans Are Omnivores

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The Idiotic Vegan World

Every claim about how veganism is good for the health is patently a false generalization. Every claim that veganism is good for the environment is false science. Every claim that veganism is the right way to live is based entirely upon the notion of an objective morality which does not exist. There is no objective morality, and anyone posing an argument insofar as saying veganism is objectively moral, is an out and out liar. Veganism is a purely subjective moral stance.

Veganism goes so very far as to conclude, in the instance of lots of vegan minds, that carnivores are all murderers, and should be eliminated. So the vegan in the common sense, loves animals so very much they want the animals that eat other animals, including humans, eliminated for their perfectly illogical, idiotic, vegan world.

Consider the following proposition: humans should exterminate all carnivorous species. This act might seem reasonable from a standpoint of reducing suffering. Why? By their very nature, carnivorous species require that other animals suffer and die so the carnivore can continue living. Since these murder-hungry species are unlikely to respond affirmatively to our polite requests that they kindly stop killing things, we could stop them from doing so, now and forever. Provided one wishes to reduce the suffering in the world, then, there are really only three answers to the question regarding whether we should exterminate all meat-eating species: “Yes”, because they cause more suffering than they offset (however that’s measured); “No”, because they offset more suffering than they cause; or “I don’t know” because we can’t calculate such things for sure.

There is none more pathetically stupid than the vegan. The vegan believes a world without predators is a perfect world, and thus condemns themselves via their words as the least intelligent among us, and again, that only proves how the meat eating human has a superior and larger brain. Predators are essential to every ecosystem, but don't expect a vegan to comprehend such facts, they've vegan, after all, and should be thought of as mentally ill.


Gary Yourofsky, The Ultimate Vegan Idiot

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Gary Yourofsky - The Shame of Veganism

When looking for spokesmen or shamans of veganism, charlatans one and all; the persons pushing their subjective moral codes, their anti-science, being the cheerleaders of modern veganism; look no further than Gary Yourofsky. He is if not the ultimate source, he is for many, the primary. He's the source of the fiction of veganism as a moral code. He proliferates an idea as unscientific as there is, that humans are not naturally omnivores. Gary Yourofsky also is famous for saying things so vile, so disgusting, so insane I can't even quote them to you here, on this fine website. You can, however, read his comments on his Wikipedia page.

Whenever you see a grotesque vegan meme meant to shame the omnivore, despite the vegan sharing it also being an omnivore, blame the violent terrorist known as Gary Yourofsky. Whenever you see the false science claiming humanity isn't omnivorous, blame the charlatan known as Gary Yourofsky. Whenever you read of a fool "freeing" the cattle held as "slaves" and then they're involved in fatal car crashes by random motorists, blame vegans such as Gary Yourofsky, as that is what this man is about; He's a terrorist, a fool, he hates scientific fact, and he's the leader of all modern vegans in the English speaking world.

Again, I know Rastafarian vegans who are wonderful humans. I know Hindu vegans I respect, and I do know American vegans who are not disgusting evangelicals who want to shame an omnivore for being what they too are, omnivores. The most of the vegans in the English speaking world, however, are the most disgusting persons you will see. Luckily for all of us, the Yourofsky set only comprises three percent of the population, and with the worst public relations stunts in human history, they won't be growing much. For this, I am very very thankful. Simple facts? Accurate science? Veganism is a filth ideology meant to procure sanctimonious false moral superiority for the vegan.The healthy human is never a vegan.

So in the end what can we say about the common or average vegan? We can say the vegan offers all the science of the creationist. We can say the vegan offers all the humanity of the militant Islamic sort - and that is to say the vegan is anti-science, and anti-humanity.

Veganism is Anti-Science. Mind Your Mitochondria, Don't Be A Vegan

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Hackslap 2 years ago from Sydney, Australia

I can read this article OVER AND OVER AGAIN! ..This is brilliant! ..All I'll say is ..Man didn't come on top of the food chain to become vegetarian lol


CalebSparks 2 years ago

Wesman, certainly no one can accuse you of skirting the issue. :) Interesting read. Thanks for all the links to the research to back up your claims. I'd have to agree that (in my experience) vegans are some of the most radical, militant fundamentalists in the world. And for you to point out the gross illogic inherent in their arguments...priceless! Thanks.


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SubRon7 2 years ago from eastern North Dakota

Great read, my friend, and, looking back, to the very few vegans I've known, I have to agree that they weren't my favorite people.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Thanks very very much! I tried to link to as much good science as I could. Boyhowdy, is veganism dumb! :)


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Thank YOU! I got my inspiration from a huge Facebook group...the vegans in there don't even realize how they insult themselves with every single post!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Thanks very ,much, Sir! I stick to the claim I have at present, out of hundreds,. I know of FIVE sane vegans :)


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cathylynn99 2 years ago from northeastern US

michael pollen, nutrition expert says, "eat food, not too much, mostly plants." i have been aware since the 80's of reputable scientific studies showing that vegetarians live longer and healthier than meat-eaters. i'm not a vegetarian due to my husband not feeling it's dinner without meat (we never buy red meat, though). i eat plenty of vegetables, though, and small portions of chicken and lots of fish.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

A low caloric intake is a major key to longevity, but vegetarians and vegans lead a life of lower quality. http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-veget...


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cathylynn99 2 years ago from northeastern US

your study didn't include very many people and said the vegetarians in the study also tended to neglect vaccines and preventative care, important confounders. this one study doesn't negate the preponderance studies showing vegetarianism to be healthy.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Cathy - of course there are ALWAYS more factors to attempt to absorb. What can't be denied is the physiology of humanity - and veganism is a horrible idea. http://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-to-eat-meat...


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cathylynn99 2 years ago from northeastern US

good article. one point of exception, though. B12 can be obtained from microbes.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey Cathy, the thing that gets me the most about veganism is - what if a vegan is bit by a venomous snake? The anti-venom, of course, is derived from snake venom, and so if a vegan uses that or has that used on them in a hospital, they're not vegan :)


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Claire Evans 2 years ago from South Africa

Well done, Todd. Sums it up nicely.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Thanks very much - I spent so much time in that facebook group...holy smoke, at least something got done for all of that. I should do another just so I don't feel like I've wasted so much time for it all.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Sooooo, I take it you don't like Vegans. :-)

I can understand why, now that you have laid it out so factually, scientifically and well just plain convincingly.

I wonder if they did a survey of "man made" global warming alarmists (like the ones who say cow farts will destroy the planet), how many of these wackos are vegans...my guess, 99.9%.

Which is the approval rating I'm giving to this hub page.


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Cardisa 2 years ago from Jamaica

Saying all meat eating animals should die would upset the earth's eco-system, plain and simple. There is a food chain and eliminating the carnivores would upset that food chain. Where would the fertilizer for the vegetation come from? The protein found in plants is as a result of manure from these animals. No human is fully vegan. Even those who don't eat meat must have some trace of animal products in order to live. Bees pollinate plants, enabling vegetation. Without bees we all die. I say again, NO ONE is fully vegan.

I try yo stay away from people who try to tell me what I should and should not eat. I strongly believe that animals exist for the maintenance of mankind. one animals feeds on the other and human feeds on that animals. Without animals we all die.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

tsadjatko - CHEERS!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I quite agree with you on that! :)


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Carolee - expecting logic or any sort of scientific facts from US vegans will get you nowhere! LOL...they're bottom of the barrell....except for the three I alluded to, the other two sane ones are our Rasta friend and a US guy living in India I know.


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Cardisa 2 years ago from Jamaica

Rastafarians don't usually thrust their beliefs down your throat. They tell you what they believe but that's it. Some Rastas eat meat, not all Rastas are Vegans, as a matter of fact any are vegetarians and most eat fish and chicken.

When I worked in the fitness industry my boss was vegetarian but he always recommend high protein diets for those who want to muscle up. His diet plans for clients included meat (if they were meat eaters). He has never encouraged anyone to not eat meat. At one point I thought that maybe I should cut meat from my diet and he protested. He said that his diet was a matter of personal choice and no one should follow him because he doesn't eat meat. The only animal products he takes are egg whites, cheese and milk.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Carolee - I was dumbstruck for days after watching the Gary Yourofsky video about veganism...my two parents literally made fun of me for even saying I wasn't going to eat meat ever again. My parents have never both at the same time literally made jokes about me in front of me...except that one time. I couldn't believe it! Well, of course I spent a lot more time thinking about it...and they were right. If both my folks ever joke about something I'm saying again - I'll just know I'm wrong.

These US vegans are horrible persons 99% of the time...they want to make you ashamed of yourself to make you stop eating meat....but if you look at their arguments, they're non-scientific, they're arguments are shamefully stupid.

Those three women I made reference to? They do none of that, they share vegan recipes, and spend NO time at all trying to make an omnivore feel bad for...being an omnivore.


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ashleighann 2 years ago from GEORGIA

I tried to read your article with an open mind to both sides of the age old argument. However, I found it very difficult because , well, to put all the 'i love animals, save the world' view aside, I am a vegetarian for the past 2 years now. Not Vegan. In those last 2 years, I have felt great and do not have any desire to take a vitamin for "missing essential vitamins only found in meat" . Also, what initially made me become interested in a meat-free lifestyle/diet was factory farming and the horrible conditions of these animals while held in captivity only to suffer gruesome deaths. What kind of creature deserves all that? A soul is a soul, no matter the form. All animals of the land and sea are deserving of a quality life. Another point I felt I should make is that protein can be found elsewhere besides consuming meat. My main forms of protein are found in eggs ( which i hope to switch to veganism, so this will be irrelevant, but still), nuts, seeds, and legumes. Beans and nut butters are very high in protein. I, for one, never push my eating habits on others and expect the same in return. It's what i chose for myself (and in fact my husband & child are meat eaters). Great article but you are mistaken on some points. I hope you find clarity in what i said and others mention what i may have forgotten. love&light !


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Without animal protein in your diet you are hurting yourself and all of your family. YOu can get it vegetarian, but you can't get it vegan.

http://chriskresser.com/what-everyone-especially-v...


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MarleneB 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

I have to admit that I have not met a vegan who had a compassionate heart when it comes to their "cause". They go to restaurants where they KNOW the establishment serves meat and make the waiter feel bad because he works there. I saw a television show where a waitress was a vegan. The owner was wondering why business was dwindling. Well, an undercover "sting" revealed that this vegan waitress was refusing to take orders for people who ordered meat. In fact, the waitress was rude to the meat-eating customers and to those customers who insisted on ordering meat, she would downright lie and tell them the restaurant was out of meat. I say, if you don't want to be around people who eat meat, then don't go to restaurants where meat is served. I believe it is as much my right to eat meat as it is a vegan's right to eat vegetables. Oh, and somewhere I read that vegetables cry when we cut them. I don't know if that's true, but vegans might want to explore crying veggies to the same level that they explore meat. Just a thought.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Ashleighann, where do you get your definition of soul?

"What kind of creature deserves all that? A soul is a soul, no matter the form."

souls, or at least immortal souls, belong only to human beings. Unless of course you are Jainis or Hindu, and good luck with those beliefs...or maybe you ascribe souls to everything animate and inanimate as Animism does.

And I have news for you - no matter how many people on earth refuse to eat meat because of "factory farming and the horrible conditions of these animals while held in captivity only to suffer gruesome deaths" it is not going to stop those practices so why is that a reason to stop eating meat? If that is your reason what do you think of the rest of us who like to eat meat, are we insensitive hardhearted people?

Instead of not eating meat you could find meat that isn't produced the way you described, hunters do it all the time.

So I wonder if that reason isn't to dissuade guilt for eating meat made those ways but to make you feel better than the rest of us insensitive meat eaters.


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tlpoague 2 years ago from USA

This was an interesting article that brings to mind a relationship my son experienced. He was dating a girl that was vegan. She use to get so mad and chastise him for eating meat. One day he decided he had enough and told her that she could like him how he was or move on. Then he took a big out the biggest cheeseburger he could order. She claimed he was disgusting and left him. I have to say that I was proud of my son for standing up for himself and amazed at how she had treated him. She had no shame and never apologized for her actions or words.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

tlpoague - I am proud of your son too! Veganism is a radical ideology based on emotion and NEVER fact or anything scientific.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

ashleighann - all animals are not created equal. An ecosystem is an extremely complex thing. Valuing a snail the same as a bobcat is to say you are completely illiterate in regards to how an ecosystem works


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

MarleneB - that's just it. Vegans in the USA most often use veganism as a vehicle to feel as though they are superior persons. They are sanctimonious with out any logic, without objectivity, without sanity.

Very sad story you tell there - the story of a vegan, a person without much of a conscious.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

tsadjatko - being ecologically and biologically illiterate, not to mention physiologically illiterate, that's just what vegans ARE 99% of the time.

Trying to talk science with a vegan is a losing proposition, as they're not on par. It's like bringing a nuclear weapon to a fisst fight, the vegan is never capable of even being there.


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tebo 2 years ago from New Zealand

Interesting article. I am a vegetarian, not vegan. I do not push my way of life on to others, however I do find they try to influence me. i live with my two meat eating sons and do cook for them. I eat eggs, and dairy products - love cheese - love it more now they make cheese with vegetarian rennet! I was truly pissed off when I first found out B12 could only be found in animal products because I thought it was a strange world we live in where every animal and every human relies on eating another species to survive. Of course there are many vegetarian animals on the planet, elephants for instance - enormous in size and plant eaters. When I watch wild animal programs they are filled with so much fear - who is going to be attacked next? I don't watch them anymore. It's a sad world and whoever came up with the idea of lets eat each other needs their head read. As I said I don't push my barrow. I just decided at some point 30 years ago to stop eating animals. I am still alive, much to my fathers disbelief at the time. I now work at a hospice and part of my job is menus. I have worked here for two years and have probably only had less than 5 patients who are vegetarian. I realise that vegetarians are in the minority, so less likely to be patients, but I also see it as an anecdotal evidence of eating less animal products being healthy. I stress I never went this road for health reasons, only for the animals health. I think the idea is to do your own thing and not try to influence other people to follow your philosophy.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

tebo - good deal! The majority of the vegans are what I think of as evangelicals. They really do act like they're in some sort of cult, and have their own weird lingo, using their diet to attempt to prove to themselves and others they have special knowledge, and an advanced morality or something.


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Deliberate Writer 2 years ago from Oregon

I loved reading this article. I live in Oregon and have encountered many people who would say similar things to the things you mentioned and it always grates on me. Many times, their arguments are completely one-sided or illogical. This was a good read :D


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Deliberate Writer - Thanks Very Much! I'm in a large "vegans vs meat eaters" group on Facebook...and after observing that shindig for a few months I really had to vent.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

OMG you do bring it right out into the open. Every time I get involved with the McDonald's beef Those ugly people come out in droves. The thing is why are they trying to tell us what we should and should not eat and put into our own bodies. No One is forcing them to eat a burger at McDonald's. There are other vegan foods at those fast foods. I get trampled on by gibberish from them too WTS and you have seen it on my FB pages sometimes.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

I'd like everyone to be more informed about what they're eating....after that, shit, it's their own decision; and there's sure nothing I can do to literally stop anyone from doing what they want to do, you know.

The evangelical vegan folks are just whacko to me. I do know of some that simply share their recipes or say encouraging or whatnot types of things - they are the MINORITY of that crowd for sure!


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Beverly Stevens 2 years ago from College Station

Here's a quote I like, “You're thinking I'm one of those wise-ass California vegetarians who is going to tell you that eating a few strips of bacon is bad for your health. I'm not. I say it's a free country and you should be able to kill yourself at any rate you choose, as long as your cold dead body is not blocking my driveway.” Scott Adams


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

I like that quote! I am going to post it on my FB page right now!


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Spirit Whisperer 2 years ago from Isle of Man

You make very good points here but am never able to understand why anyone would clump a whole group of people together as you do here to simply to criticise their beliefs. Aren't we all a slave to perception and as such we are each slaves to our own beliefs? What are you doing any differently than the people you are criticising? I say live and let live. If you want to eat meat or don't want to eat meat knock yourself out! I did however enjoy the read and can tell that you are a genuine person. Thank you.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Well I believe I said I know of five who're not completely insane, in fact the five are pretty normal - which is strange as the entire rest of them are extremely angry individuals.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Spirit just proved your point! LOL


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

It's just FASCINATING to me to see how angry the majority of vegans are at the world. The reason they're so angry is they insist that the lives of cows are as valuable as the lives of humans....and if someone truly believed that, then it makes sense to be angry at meat eaters....but then...it's ridiculous.

You'll hear them say the lives of chickens are as valuable as the lives of humans. Chickens? They've got brains so small it's incomprehensible to literally believe they are so aware as a human.

I think sane people value ecology and know our industrial world is messed up, and that probably, most Americans and Europeans eat too much meat....but veganism is extreme and is often based in a lack of any sort of scientific understanding, and combined with a seriously skewed sense that the vegan is the only person who understands morality, or "knows what's really going on." Most vegans, and I said "most," think that because they are vegan, they are morally superior to non-vegans, and that's where the real laughs are found.


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Spirit Whisperer 2 years ago from Isle of Man

Further to my last comment how would you justify what is happening in this video? http://youtu.be/MUjKGxeLB_k

I do eat meat but when I see the process involved in getting that meat to my table I do feel sick and think it is time to stop eating meat.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

The notion that abusive or sadistic treatment of animals is the norm or universal at factory farms is the exact notion the vegan wants everyone to believe - but the total number of such videos and such is minuscule, and then there've been instances where, literally, PETA persons were staging the incidents....so you had PETA abusing animals to make it look like animal abuse was going on at factory farms....lovely stuff. Also, Animal Liberation Front...or "ALF" was involved in some mock ups (where animals were literally abused by animal rights people) for the same thing....now sure, some real cases exist, but to say that's the NORM...LOL, no way.


Williams 18 months ago

This is clearly an aggravated opinion piece. You seem to spend a great deal of time slandering people who follow a Vegan lifestyle and criticizing them for shoving their opinions down others' throats. Not all vegans are angry and condescending. This is an opinion, a stereotype. The majority of vegans who I have met are compassionate at respectful of everyone, even those who do not agree with their lifestyle choices.


Lee Passman 17 months ago

Animal agricultural is a leading cause of climate change: http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/


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Astralrose 16 months ago from India

Eating meat made human brain grow big has been debunked already.


jsjsjs 12 months ago

Hahahaha you are ridiculous.


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tsadjatko 12 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

@Lee Passman, nice try. A one sided video piece of propaganda you evidently swallow hook line and sinker without even looking at a fact check, or opposing point of view of which there are many, but you aren't interested in the truth or you would present at least one case for criticism of cowspiracy and maybe a rebuttal but there is no rebuttal for it's shortcomings, like: "The great weakness of Cowspiracy, other than its title, is its single minded determination to prove that veganism is the only reasonable approach to feeding people, a proof it pursues without regard for facts or nuance." http://cairncrestfarm.blogspot.com/2014/10/cowspir...


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fpherj48 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Wesman!!!! I have seen your name pop up more than once in the past few days......ARE YOU BACK WITH US?? Well, you gotta know Effer is one happy old lady! I have missed you so much. I've even pulled your site up a few times to see if there was any activity. But walked away very sad.

Of course you've missed me too, don't try to deny it! LOL I know your Mom does an excellent job of supervising, but YOU my strange and wonderful friend, need a "Mom" watching out for you at all times!!

So, tell me....have you settled your butt down with that cute little Texan sweetie and had a little Wesman? LOL. I'm so happy I can nag you again.

Vegans? Yuk. I am not a bunny rabbit (unfortunately I'm also not a Playboy bunny) Besides that, I enjoy all food far too much to deny myself much of anything. I don't believe I know any vegans or they haven't come out of their garden closet to confess.

I do know several people who are staunch vegetarians, but I also have noticed they wear a whole lot of leather......LOL "People" in general are so much fun, aren't they? WHO the hell cares what I eat or you eat or when, where and how you prepare it? Wesman, things are getting pretty damned scary (or scarier) when ANYBODY has the time or the interest to stick their nose in our lunch bags! Enough is enough. And I thought all these crazies were happy enough thoroughly investigating our bedrooms.......NOW THEY'RE IN MY KITCHEN?? No way...I have to put my foot down somewhere! My pantry is sacred ground.

So good to see you !! Love. Effer


johnny25 11 months ago

There is so much hate in this rant-- and most of the supporting comments. It is sad that people want to go through life finding other people to hate and make fun of. The fact is that most people (not just vegans) like animals and don't want to see them suffer or be a part of their suffering. Can't we start with that common ground? Vegans are not horrible people. Sure, there are good people and bad people in every grouping of human beings, so there are probably at least a couple who are not saints. But, the definition of vegan is someone who has made a personal decision to not eat or use animals products. Why does this threaten you? If they are sharing information with you, they are probably responding to a question YOU asked. Either that or they are genuinely trying to save your life, the lives of suffering animals and a ravaged planet. For THIS you hate them? That is sad.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 11 months ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Where's the link to show the brain size/meat eating thing was 'debunked?'


Marc 7 months ago

This is such an incredibly hate-filled piece of propaganda. One-sided and low, opening with character assassination rather than a deliberate and clear account of the issue. You have plenty of good hubs; this is not one of them.


I'm not even... 7 months ago

Seriously, saying vegans are the most hateful and crazy people in the world while preaching up a frenzy of what level of morons they are to a group of people that share your conflict-seeking view? bit rich...

Many at my research lab are vegan, and I have vegan friends who raised children competely plant based. Wouldn't even know they were vegan if I wouldn't have asked why they don't pour dairy milk in their coffee. The common vegan is like any other person, they don't stick out, their food looks like omnivore food and nobody really bats an eye at any of it. Don't see why you have to generalize so much


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Wesman Todd Shaw 7 months ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Far and away, without doubt - the most hateful people on the internet are all vegans. Ignorance is a form of hatred in and of itself, and the memes I see daily on facebook are things proud of being ignorant, and thus, are hateful to rational persons everywhere.

Comparing slavery and genocide to a healthy diet? That's flat out evil, and racist besides, but that's just common veganism.


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Rebecca Burg 5 months ago from Florida

An, uhm, interesting article, but-wow- you sure take certain dietary choices of others and make it personal. I enjoy your hubs and you're very knowledgeable, but I'm just trying to figure out why vegans' crappy attitudes are taken so seriously. In college, there were a few assholes who actively slandered meat eaters, but they were just immature kids. They eventually grew out of their us-vs-them attitudes.

The few adult vegans I know are kind people who don't make moral judgments or despise me for eating a fish sandwich. Those who do make a big deal out of nothing are ignored.

Regardless of the creepy propaganda of the vegans who possess pious attitudes, I'll never let them "guilt" me for my dietary choices or force me to bend to their level by lashing back in kind with a similar amount of hate.

It seems those strident, inflammatory types of vegans have personality problems or other issues that make them what they are. Lack of a mature sense of wisdom or something. Maybe this dietary choice is a convenient springboard to act out a sociopathic interest in discord or to validate their illusion of superiority.

The focus needs to be recentered on vegan/vegetarian dietary choices for health and well-being, not for trying to "prove" something and make carnivores feel bad.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 months ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hi Rebecca. I'm about as immature and unlearned as the human male can become. And when I was writing pages like this one, the whole thing was brand new to me. I had quite honestly, so far as I had known, never heard of veganism before...about 3 or 4 years ago.

Had some vegetarians in the family That didn't bother me none. I'm so blind to greater reality I can imagine that just maybe veganism is synonymous to some sort of superior virtue. But I rarely think that way. The deal breakers, the two biggest things which I can not process - are the idea it is 'wrong' to eat unfertilized chicken eggs. And that it is wrong to eat honey.

Those two ideas are so beyond my version of reality they lose me quickly, and absolutely.

Yes, I know about the male chicks at the egg factories. Hey, we've lots of chickens right here where I live. But do not our dogs and such who get fed by the infant chicks also deserve to eat?

It gets mega tricky when one goes into what creature deserves this or that. Lets forget I brought that up. But I'm going to go with my dogs over baby chicks in an industrial plant, because I do get to make a choice.


Bobski 5 months ago

You guys make me laugh. Hope you all enjoy living a lie. Ill be over here not getting cancer. See ya.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 months ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Bobski, bet you know less about cancer than the average vegan. And the average vegan doesn't know a thing about cancer. So you have a negative total understanding of cancer, I'd wager.

Protein synthesis? Ever heard the term? Rhetorical question.

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