Aspergers Jews, Jewish Social Ostracisation, A Theory On An Asperger’s Autism Connection

The Jews have been ostracised throughout history. I believe they share the Asperger gene. Asperger's is about problems in socialisation, a logical perception.

This is my theory on Jewish, Asperger’s Autism and why this group has been ostracised in history. I do not have any evidence of this and would much appreciate if anyone has some research to either agree or disagree with this hypothesis.

People with Aspberger’s Autism are renowned for high functioning ability. The condition is categorised under the ‘Autistic Spectrum Disorder’ umbrella. Problems occur with socialisation, empathy and communication. They may appear clumsy, inappropriate in their behaviour and difficult.

A direct approach seems to help as they have a very ‘logical’, black and white, way of thinking. This can be isolating and difficult for the individual and those who care for them. To complicate issues further, a mix and match of the condition, character and environmental influences makes this complex in empowering AS people.

Impairment can range from mild to severe. However, the genetic payoff for this ‘disability’ is the ‘ability’ to perceive the world logically, cleverly and imaginatively. This is the high functioning side of AS, that is associated with high Intelligence Quotient (IQ).

At the University of Cambridge, Scientists have discovered 27 Genes associated with Asperger Syndrome, ‘New Genetic Study Of Asperger Syndrome, Autistic Traits And Empathy’ (Medical News Today). As you can see, ‘the research found that single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in 27 out of the 68 genes were nominally associated with either AS and/or with autistic traits/empathy.’

Many of the greatest people in the world have been Asperger-Jewish. Example of those speculated include Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein and Karl Marx. All had very logical minds and high IQ’s. They all appeared to have problems in socialisation and were lone-thinkers and writers.

The lack of empathy, therefore, may have helped them to have a wider perception of the world, without the concerns associated with ‘socially unacceptable views’. Some people might call this being ‘thick skinned’, whilst others may see this as viewing a bigger picture.

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Social? Scapegoated.

Adolf Hitler has been speculated as someone who may have been AS. It is interesting to note that there is a strain of thought suggesting he had a Jewish genetic line. This might not be surprising in view of the way he organised German war operations. Albeit negative, no one can dispute he demonstrated efficiency and lack of compassion. However, I am sure that you would agree that this man will not be forgotten lightly and that he certainly was logical and high functioning.

For thousands of years, the Jews have been targeted as social scapegoats. The second world war was the pinnical of a long-time build up of hatred from all over the world. Many Russian Jews, for example, were forced into migrating in the 1800’s to places like Britain. Not to mention, the release of Jewish Slaves during the times of Ramases the Great in ancient Egypt.

It seems to me that there might just be something the rest of the world just did not understand about these people. Much of the communication of the Jews, might appear ‘blunt’ and ‘forthright’. They might come over as ‘bossy’, ‘controlling’ and ‘overpowering’. This is very much a black and white way of communicating – this isn’t wrong, just different to what other races might understand.

I propose, therefore, that the Jews have an inherant Asperger’s trait. To the rest of the world, the view of Jewish intellect might give the impression, by the way they communicate and actions performed, as intolerable, socially.

Many people may not appreciate how bright this race really are. It could be, however, that if they understand their high intellect, others might think of Jews as threatening. Just like the German people in the second World War. Fear breeds hatred. However, in any civilised world there has to be diversity in order for the human race to move forward and progress.

People with a different way of looking at things adds positively to our world and we should celebrate everyone, whatever their race, ability and creed.


World Wide Award Winners...

The Global Jewish population is approximately (14,000,000) -- Only FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pa sternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Physics

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya=2 0Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Mil ton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

The BIG Question in Aspergers!

TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE! I wonder how many of these, if tested, are Aspergers?

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elayne001 6 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Very interesting hub. Thank you!


Ironmistress 6 years ago

Only four of them are women. Of 41 female Nobel laureates, it makes "only" 10%, and of all Jewish Nobel laureates, 4/129 makes only 3%. Two of the women have earned the litterature Nobel, and none in the "hard" sciences. Since Asperger's is very much a male phenomenon, it suggests a great prevalence of Asperger amongst Nobel laureates.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Great spotting Ironmistress! I didn't notice this but it does help to strengthen my theory. Although, it is only a recent idea that women get recognised for anything. This might be thought of as a social construction, but I think you are onto a contributory factor, my friend x


Ironmistress 6 years ago

There is also another notable issue. Almost all the prizes have come on hard sciences - chemistry, physics, economy, medicine, which require analytical touch; literature prizes are rarer, and many of peace prizes relate to Palestine issue.

There is also another nation which is grossly over-represented amongst the Nobels, and it is the Swedes. A nation of 8 million natives has gained 30 Nobels (one by a Swedish Finn). But of the 30 Swedish nobels, 7 of them are in literature - implying a very eloquent and culturized nation. Related to population (14 M Jews, 8 M Swedes), it is almost double to that of Jews. Swedish Nobels are 25% literature, Jewish Nobels only 7.5%

One of the symptoms of Asperger's is limited verbal skills on relation of the analytical skills. I know one engineer who is world class on her branch, but her verbal skills are barely that of a sixth-grader - she represents all the symptoms of Asperger's, including being pushy, bossy and lacking on social skills which others may interprete as rudeness. She has been never diagnosed, but I suspect her as one. I have once said "You would make a good Jew" - she is so meticulous and thorough on what she is doing, and she follows the regulations to the dash of the T. She said she is an Atheist - she didn't get the point.

Again the distinctive marks are here: few female Nobelists (the average is 10%, on Jews only 4%), and only 7.5% of them in litterature - the expectation is 20%) - a phenomenon mainly occurring on males, and limited social and verbal skills.

If Asperger's really is indeed a Jewish phenomenon, then the whole world owes them an apology - and the stereotypes become far more understandable.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Ironmistress. You make some interesting points. I like what you said about the 'athiest' lady... her response is soooooo aspergers! I had a little chuckle here. However, it is about the gene. I bet you that if you tested all the diagnosed aspergers, there would be genes associated with the Jewish heritage. The family lines might have been lost through cross breeding, but I recon there is something here.

You said 'If Asperger's really is indeed a Jewish phenomenon, then the whole world owes them an apology - and the stereotypes become far more understandable' ... Exactly the point I wanted to make in the article. Thank you for summing it up so beautifully!

I hope this makes sense. Some great comments.


Ironmistress 6 years ago

Hmm, let's see.

1. An archetypal nerd. Immensely deep interst on a specific subject. Knows everything on it, and can keep half an hour presentation over it ex tempore. Extremely high ability of functioning on his or her special sector. Good 3D patternization skills. Good logical skills. Likes intellectual games, such as chess.

2. Meticulous concept on details. Strict rituals, regulations, routines and habits. Dislike any changes in routines.

3. Disdain on physical education, sports and outdoors life. Delayed motor development. May have an awkward walk. Handwriting is often poor.

4. Frugal with monetary issues to borderline of cheapness. Preoccupies himself for distresses not likely to happen. Good economical skills.

5. Awkward in social context. Reputation of being rude, pushy, bossy, ill-mannered or intolerant. Uncanny ability to irritate everyone around. Appear to lack any empathy.

6. Mediocre linguistic and communicational abilities. Inability to understand non-verbal communication. Poor facial memory. Unability to understand insult. A formal style of speaking.

7. Strange or odd kind of humour. Unability to understand others' jokes, and usually get the jokes last.

8. Preoccupation with health to the point of hypochondria. Extremely sensitive touch sensors. Can smell odours often do not notice.

9. Awkward on social relations with other gender. Strict preoccupation with family and relatives. Very monogamous and obsessive with the family.

10. Uneasy relation to stimulants such as tobacco or alcohol. Often abstains completely.

Those are not stereotypical traits of a Jew - those are medical symptoms of Asperger anamnesis!

When we think of the Jewish stereotype and traits and habits often connected to Jews, they now appear more and more the very symptoms of Asperger's and less and less as insults. Once we understand that these are psychophysiological traits and not signs of an a**hole, we can also relate to them with rational touch. It also explains why Jews often make excellent managers but poor leaders - and why Albert Einstein refused the post of the president of Israel.

Interestingly, many of the half-Jews of your Nobelist lists, like Niels Bohr, had one Lutheran parent - Scandinavian countries are Lutheran, and Sweden too is grossly over-represented amongst the Nobels! (Denmark is not *that* over-represented, "only" 13 Nobels for a nation of 4M). Lutheranism is often referred as "most Judaistic of all Christian denominations", and Scandinavians have a very autistic - cold, reserved, unemotional and intellectual - reputation. And Martin Luther himself was an Aspie! It would be nice to know the prevalence of Asperger's amongst the Scandinavians, Finns and Estonians.

I have sometimes referred Christianity as "Judaism Light". Perhaps Christianity would be "Judaism for Non-Aspergers" as well - or Lutheranism as "Christianity for Aspergers"?

Many of the Christian geniuses, like Leonardo da Vinci. are polymaths, while many of the Jewish geniuses, like Albert Einstein, are ultra-specialists. If a polymath is like a storm, then Asperger's is like a freak wave: it concentrates all the energy on one single crest of wave, which can be much taller than waves of the same cluster. Could it be that Asperger syndrome compresses all the intellectual potential to one single grand wave - enabling a person, who would otherwise be a very mediocre - to become a genius on his or her own branch? (Certainly there are Jewish polymaths, such as Richard Feynman, and Christian ultra-specialists, such as Werner Heisenberg, as well, though.)

If so, then Asperger's would be the best disorder to ever have. While it has its price, it has its benefits too.

Now what comes to my own pseudonyme, it is an occupational term - a steelmaking operations' engineer. Would a Jewess ever go to work in a steel mill, even if an engineer? Certainly not - but she sure might instead take the scholarly route after her studies and become a professor in metallurgy instead instead of going to industry and pursuing an industrial career.

All in all, this is an extremely interesting speculation, and would explain a lot - and perhaps put finally the end to Anti-Semitism.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

ironmistress.. you said 'Those are not stereotypical traits of a Jew - those are medical symptoms of Asperger!' Yep, you have got it. It was difficult to identify whether you were describing the stereotype or Asperger's.

The Swede connection, I can't get my head around though. I wondered, through cross breeding and Sweden being a 'neutral' country, thereby attracting Jewish imigrants when fleeing from prejudiced countries. More work will need to be done here. Perhaps through genetics. A link, whether true or not, this line needs to be investigated.

You are right to say 'If so, then Asperger's would be the best disorder to ever have. While it has its price, it has its benefits too'. I believe it benefits the human race which is why the gene has not been irradicated from the gene pool via natural selection. The genes that have been identified are NOT rogue genes.

You said 'All in all, this is an extremely interesting speculation, and would explain a lot - and perhaps put finally the end to Anti-Semitism'. That would be wonderful! Can you imagine the impact this would have? It could contribute to world peace!

Please keep in contact, my friend. E-mail me x


gwern 6 years ago

IronMistress:

> There is also another nation which is grossly over-represented amongst the Nobels, and it is the Swedes. A nation of 8 million natives has gained 30 Nobels (one by a Swedish Finn). But of the 30 Swedish nobels, 7 of them are in literature - implying a very eloquent and culturized nation.

Better explanation: the literature Nobels are the most subjective and often criticized Nobels (after the Peace prize), and literature is also the area of accomplishment that loses the most in translation. Now, the judges and nominators are all from the Swedish Academy...

shazwellyn:

It's a cute theory, but it doesn't cover the whole history and may be missing the bushes for the trees.

The Roman sources did not portray the Jews in any sort of Aspergerish way, or even as being notably intelligent or capable. (The Roman and Jewish writers of that time commend the Jews for being brave, stoic, and lawful but not the qualities you associate with them.)

And the negative stereotypes of Jews started very early on with the early Christians fulminating against them; a good example being John Chrysostom. In the 300s and 400s AD, the stereotypes were already growing despite the fact that Jews had not been pigeonholed into ghettos or traditional occupations (no usury laws yet!), and the fact that this was only 200 years or so after the Diaspora (far too little time for any Aspergers or IQ mutations to have spread among the farflung Jews). The concentration of Jews into financing or jewelry or other clerical occupations or crafts (and urban environments) would not come for a very long time yet.

So any postulated mental difference couldn't've started the whole shebang or even been important for a good fraction of the time between the Diaspora and now.

The Ashkenazi may be a different story; you've probably heard of the theory of boosted intelligence due to sexual selection pressures in the ghettos & Jewish occupations. But that's something like half a millennium after Chrysostom and the other Christian anti-Semites, though it's possible that modern Ashkenazi perpetuate the stereotype. (Personally, I haven't heard that Aspergers or related issues are more common among Jews. If anything, I had the opposite impression.)


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Now that the asperger's gene can be identified, evidence can be drawn from this one fact. My theory is just that - fact is discovered initially from an idea. I prefer to leave the research to the researchers.


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kaloomba 6 years ago

Interesting theory..


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Thank you for reading Kalomba x


Meatpoet 6 years ago

In your theory, do not forget that the 10 lost tribes of Ephraim are still scattered amongst the Earth, not to return until the end of this age (and yes, I understand the current debate surrounding this).

If you look back into the Hebrew origins of the bible you can see in Genesis that the earth was created by God (Elohim) and populated by God (Elohim), but that the origin of Adam and Eve, in the Garden of Eden was through The Lord God (the God of the Israelite's Yeshua) this is two different origins of man, with two different resulting human creations. The Lord God made his creation in his image (there is some other special differences that I won't get into but you can look it up). Israeli's beginning with Adam and Eve are fashioned by The Lord God Yeshua to 'carry' the word of God. Perhaps this is the difference you speak of when you postulate that Aspies are Jewish.

We are often called 'speakers of truth' and some of us are called by The Lord God and some of us aren't, it is a personal decision and based on the individuals personal goals relating to their own desire to be a spiritual person. Currently 90% of people identifying themselves as Jewish are Atheist, probably no more or less than any other time in history (you can be religious and have no spirit).

Now, I am going to take some real issue with you here as an Aspie adult. We are NOT lacking empathy, we rarely have time for the cloud of lies, both unconscious (97% of communication) and conscious that are necessary to function in regular society. I think there is plenty of current research that proves we actually feel far more empathy than NT's. Certainly WE understand this amongst ourselves, though NT's and sometimes other Aspies find us cold and remote. From my perspective I am repulsed by both the number of lies I must tell and the number told to me to make NT's 'comfortable' or to 'get by' in this society.

Just remember next time you are dealing with an Aspie that the words coming out of your mouth may be in direct conflict to your bodies unconscious language, we have to process all of that, and much of the time we don't know what to make of the cloud of lies foisted on us by NT's, especially when we are young it can be pretty confusing.

Now as far as this 'making Anti-Semitism' a thing of the past, you should ask yourself how you feel now that you know there is a whole race of people that thinks of itself as 'alien' to you.

We pretty much know that we are safe as long as they are still trying to 'cure' us of our 'disease'...but the moment NT's know we don't relish their 'cure' it is game on, baby, and it isn't going to be pretty (from our perspective, after all, when was the last time you sauntered to the corner store and lined up for your 'free lobotomy', it is probably as high on your list of 'things to do' as it on mine).

Lastly, I think there are very close to as many women as men who have AS, but the female brain is wired very differently than male for communication, what a man can't disguise, a woman can, because her brain can compensate in the language skills department.

Peace.

Christian


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

I am an Aspie too, my friend - so am pretty well qualified in this. I also have a jewish blood line. But lets not get personal about this!

You are writing very 'literally' and your tone comes across as unempathetic and logical. Typical Asperger's eh? This is not a critism, but a demonstration from your own words. However, that is not to say that aspies dont feel empathy, their responses come across as unempathetic to others. People with aspergers can be taught on a conscious level how to show others that they care about how they are feeling.

I will not comment on 'God and the bible etc', this is very personal to all individuals, whether aspergers or not. It doesn't matter if you are an aspie who is an orthodox jew or not - this hub is about the genetics, the blood line.

Maybe you would like to read my other hubs on aspergers?


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MordechaiZoltan 6 years ago

I really, really want to say something but im not gonna...Read Isaac Bashevis Singer-awesome author. Kahlil Gibrand is an awesome Muslim poet as well.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Mordechai... When I got married my marriage vowels was the meaning of marriage and love by Kahlil Gibran 'the Prophet'!

Maybe you might want to say 'something; in an e-mail?

Love, Peace and Harmony,


Babyfacemagee 6 years ago

I am Jewish and actually have been thinking something very similar to what this author is saying for a few years now.

I do believe that MANY...not all...but MANY Jews have traits that could be defined as mild Aspergers.

However, I would go one step further and bring the environment into play. Narcissism itself...which is something that is seen in Asperger's individuals, can also be brought on by damage emotionally in childhood and from low self esteem/self worth...something many Jews suffer from because of their history of being persecuted. I don't know if the Asperger traits seen in many Jews...including many in my family are the result of a gene or if it is a pattern of behavior that is passed from generation to generation. Or perhaps it is both. Let me explain.

Much of this narcissistic behavior some jews are known for is the result of the shame, humiliation and anxiety that Jews have felt for being ostracized throughout history.

As an example a study was done in Africa that shows how if a culture or society is repeatedly beaten down...the members of the tribe feel humiliation and their behavior turns introverted from the damage. In Africa, social scientists watched as a tribe was attacked by an enemy tribe and all the women were raped and the daughters and wives impregnated by the enemy tribesmen. The men were either killed or chased away. A year later the scientists noticed that the men had never returned even though the enemy tribesmen had long ago left the village. When the social scientists went and spoke to these men they found that it wasn't fear that kept them away...it was humiliation. They were ashamed to face the wives and daughters that were now bearing bastard children and who they could not protect from the enemy. The women were thus required to become stronger...and the men had been broken and had begun acting more introverted and repressed.

Now why does this apply to the Jewish, narcissistic theory? Since jews have been chased from country to country over the centuries. They have endured Pograms, racism and been persecuted like no other culminating in the holocaust. The emotional damage done to the families over the centuries has created an environment where many of the men have been de-masculated and humiliated for not being able to defend their families and constantly running as it were and this is why it is very common to see Jewish men raised to repress their overt masculinity and why jewish families are ravaged by guilt and shame. These emotions cause people to turn inward. It is very common for the men to be subordinate emotionally to the women in jewish households and again...the men by nature of this unhealthy dynamic then become repressed, internalized and self absorbed. It makes sense that this personality type then develops intellectually into those careers that require isolation, deep solitary thinking and the like.

Also notice that frequently jews do not work in group situations but rather as isolated individuals who belong to a group. You don't see many rock bands made of jews nor do you see that many professional athletes that are jews. Why? Because group social thinking is difficult with aspergergic traits. On the other hand you see lots of solo musicians like itzak Perlman that are jewish...but notice how this is more a solo activity that is part of a larger group.

The interesting thing is that since the creation of the state of Israel I have seen a marked difference in young people growing up in Israel and Ashkenazi Jews. It will take several generations more of new Israelis to be born and live in a secure country but if my theory holds then we should slowly see a change in jewish traits that are less Aspergic as we now have jews with the healthy self worth and self esteem that a stable home and life creates. Of course the fact that Israel is always under threat from its Arab neighbors doesn't help matters but it is still far better than running from Russia to europe and back again for centuries.

Again...I agree in large part with the Author's hypothesis and it is something that I have myself been thinking for the past several years because of things I noticed in my own family and friends that are Jewish. What I am unsure about is the genesis of it. Is it genetic...or is it the result of family behavioral patterns and emotional damage formed over the years. Or perhaps both...and perhaps the genes change over time to support such patterns. This is something else that science is just now discovering. Your genes...can actually be changed by behavior...which is something that was always thought to be impossible to happen. Anyway...great discussion and yes I can tell you that many jewish people are actually wonderful sensitive people on the inside but have difficulty 'reading' other people and therefore come across defensive, cold or selfish which is a defense mechanism because they are confused...it is totally not intentional.

One last point I would like to make. The reason I recognized this phenomena in my own family is because I grew up very much with Aspergic traits in my family in New York. I then moved to Los Angeles and became friends with a whole group of non-jewish people and lived there for over a decade. During this time I saw my social skills and abilities slowly change and improve and my confidence with it. I also started to change some of my old habitual ways of treating other people as I slowly started to notice that the way I used to act was self-centered. I became better able to 'read' people as my self worth rose. This is why I think there is a link between underlying self worth...and a person's ability to properly socialize with others. Low Self worth somehow 'blinds you' to proper interpretation...it's a kind of 'jewish paranoia' that is based on feeling afraid deep inside. However, this can be fixed as a person's self worth gains the other things seem to change as well. I experienced it first hand and today I don't think anyone would consider me to have a 'jewish personality' or to be Aspergic. The link between the environment, a person's self worth and underlying confidence...and possible Asperger genetic links cannot be dismissed.


Babyfacemagee 6 years ago

And here is a different theory...from David Mamet.

DAVID MAMET

I think it is not impossible that Asperger’s syndrome helped make the movies.

The symptoms of this developmental disorder include early precocity, a great ability to maintain masses of information, a lack of ability to mix with groups in age-appropriate ways, ignorance of or indifference to social norms, high intelligence and difficulty with transitions, married to a preternatural ability to concentrate on the minutiae of the task at hand.

This sounds to me like a job description for a movie director. Let me also note that Asperger’s syndrome has its highest prevalence among Ashkenazi Jews and their descendants. For those who have not been paying attention, this group constitutes, and has constituted since its earliest days, the bulk of America’s movie directors and studio heads.

Neal Gabler, in his An Empire of Their Own points out that the men who made the movies – Goldwyn, Mayer, Schenck, Laemmle, Fox, - all came from a circle with Warsaw at its center, its radius a mere two hundred miles. (I will here proudly insert that my four grandparents came from that circle).

Widening our circle to all of Eastern European Jewry (the Ashkenazim), we find a list of directors beginning with Joe Sternberg’s class and continuing strong through Seven Spielberg’s and he youth of today.

...There was a lot of moosh written in the last two decades about the “blank slate”, the idea that since each child is theoretically equal under the eyes of the law, each must, by extension be equal in all things and that such a possibility could not obtain unless each child was, from birth, equally capable – environmental influences aside – of succeeding in all things.

This is a magnificent and majestic theory and would be borne by all save those who had ever had, observed, or seriously thought about children.

Races, as Steven Pinker wrote in his refutational The Blank Slate, are just rather large families; families share genes and thus, genetic disposition. Such may influence the gene holders (or individuals) much, some, or not at all. The possibility exists, however, that a family passing down the gene for great hand-eye coordination is likely to turn out more athletes than without. The family possessing the genes for visual acuity will likely produce good hunters, whose skill will provide nourishment. The families of the good hunters will prosper and intermarry, thus strengthening the genetic disposition in visual acuity.

Among the sons of Ashkenazi families nothing was more prized than genius at study and explication.

Prodigious students were identified early and nurtured – the gifted child of the poor was adopted by a rich family, which thus gained status and served the community, the religion, and the race.

The boys grew and regularly married into the family or extended family of the wealthy. The precocious ate better and thus lived longer, and so were more likely to mate and pass on their genes.

These students grew into acclaimed rabbis and Hassidic masters, and founded generations of rabbis; the progeny of these rabbinic courts intermarried, as does any royalty, and that is my amateur Mendelian explication of the prevalence of Asperger’s syndrome in the Ashkenazi.

What were the traits indicating the nascent prodigy? Ability to retain and correlate vast amounts of information, a lack of desire (or ability) for normal social interaction, idiosyncrasy, preternatural ability for immersion in minutiae; ecco, six hundred years of Polish rabbis and one hundred of their genetic descendants, American film directors.


babyfacemagee 6 years ago

The above quote is from David Mamet's book "Bambi vs. Godzilla"


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Wow babyfacemagee! Well, social influence can help with this condition. My son was diagnosed 2004 and he is being taught social interaction on a conscious level. What I mean to say here, is that it is possible to learn behaviours over genetic wiring. One can rewire your brain only it takes a conscious effort.

Through your experiences as you got older, you too learned to adjust and rewire your brain. Your social circle helped you with this. Does that make sense?

Also, it is thought that after the age of 21 years, people with asperger's 'normalise' (whatever 'normal' is? hehehe). Maturation also has an impact.

Of course, I think that as each person is unique, different and copes with different situations.. err.. differently, this is the same with people with aspergers.

Asperger's genes are now measurable and have been identified. It would be wonderful if there was a mass testing to testify to the hypothesis or not.

Our Government has invested lots of money to our young people with this condition. They believe that through education, it can help develop social skills that the rest of the 90 percent of the population take for granted and have learned on a sub conscious level.

On a negative level, however, 80 percent of the prison population is Aspergers which is one of the core reasons why the government is investing in these children so readily. It saves in the long run!

10 percent of the population have a ASD way of perceiving life. We need this 'stock' in the population to add to diversity and have an input in how we shape the world.

I value your contribution and you have definitely help to shape this article in a positive way. Thank you for reading and please feel free to pop back and add more.


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betcaro 6 years ago

With all due respect, I find this hub and conversation offensive and dangerous. Using anecdotal "research," a person can find ways to validate completely baseless and self-serving hypotheses. Instead of writing paragraphs, I will simply direct those intereste in truly learning to read Stephen Jay Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man." Gould shows how this way of thinking has hurt and damaged various groups of people throughout history. Any group can point to any other group and pick out examples to substantiate any theory.

Anecdotal research and personal hypotheses say nothing; white people have pointed to the facial features of black people to say they were closer to apes than whites.

And to the author: if you were truly interested in whether one group of people have a higher incidence of Asperger's genes, you would have started researching in medical journals (available online, for a start) to see if there were breaking studies in genetics that pointed to your hypothesis.

This hub is a vehicle of stereotypes, misunerstanding, and prejudice.

In closing, I have worked as an academic tutor with children with Asperger's Syndrom. Not that it matters, they were not Jewish.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

betcaro - please take the trouble to read this hub a bit more carefully before you make unfounded assumptions. It is a proposition... something for further research. Now, go and re-read this hub before jumping to prejudicial conclusions.


Babyfacemagee 6 years ago

Betcaro- I think you're projecting a bit of your own prejudice onto what is really a positive discussion. First off, people with Aspergers are not considered 'disabled' and it is more accurately just defined as a collection of traits that aren't 'good or bad' but just unique. Second, Aspergers is actually known statistically to occur more in both Jewish as well as Scandinavian ancestry. This is a fact you can look up. It is also known that Aspergers occurs more often in men than women with varying estimates putting it at about 2-3 cases in males for every 1 case in females. I can see the point that you are making that it is ignorant to state that 'all' of any race or ethnic group possesses traits or genes of a certain type...and I agree with you. I am of no illusion nor do I believe that all Jews have aspergers. I think we're talking of a 'higher incidence' than the general population but it is by no means exclusive to Jews nor do all Jews have these traits. I also don't consider it necessarily a negative thing. Many people would love the ability to focus and absorb massive amounts of information on one topic to excel in it like some Aspies do.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Babyfacemagee - You have soooo got it! How can I add when you have been so eloquent! Celebrate diversity! Celebrate the greatness of Aspergers. Thank you so much for revisiting:)


Colin Andrews 6 years ago

I find something worthwhile in everyone's comments thus far-- but probably the most prudent and intelligent comments are BETCARO's. The way the Jewish stereotypes are talked about here are too blunt and reflect some ignorance of history, except for the points made about the influence Christian oppression has had on shaping Jewish economic practices; the comment about self-esteem is almost valid, except it fails to take into consideration that sometimes people change and gain confidence when they grow up, regardless of moving to California to live with Gentiles.

I've been glad to see the people with Aspergers standing up to defend themselves and to defend the notion that emotions are intensely felt, and that it is difficult to be able to detect a change in body language that makes a lie very obvious and not say something about it. i never thought of it thus but experienced it.

I'm glad too to see the list of Nobel Prize winners. It's nice to have that accompanied by someone who pointed out why there are so many Scandinavians who have won the prize.

The cautions about the perpetuations of stereotypes should be taken to heart. And the notion that any data can be made to make a theory sound true should also be taken to heart. The anti-Semitic presumptions should be reined in.

Having said that, I'm glad to see this conversation has been started. It is worthwhile - it's original proposal is worth pursuing, but only insofar as its author stops defending him or herself and takes to heart the criticisms that would improve that theory. I would like to see the theory updated, so that it reflects a more subtle suggestion. Perhaps we can say with a bit more confidence:

The notion that there may be a connection between Jews and Aspergers is worth pursuing. it would be good to see a review of the medical, cultural, and historical literature on the topic.

Cheers.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Colin Andrews - thank you for your contribution to the debate and I take on board your comments with welcome. What I have written is the essence of me and I want to show this with 'worts and all' so to speak. I am hoping that some academic might take my theory and create a null hypothesis formulated on evidence. Much of this article is formulated on ideas and observations - more needs to be done. I do not have the connections nor the academic reputation to carry this idea through to research (I am not from an 'Oxbridge'doctrine, I am just an intelligent working class academic who has noticed a trend - lol). One day, someone in the 'establishment' might actually read this and a greater understanding of a society might come forth for a more peaceful and better world. An ideal - right - but something worth striving for.

Thank you for contributing,

Shaz :)


Nrets 6 years ago

This topic does not seem very PC, but that said, screw being PC. My personal observation has been that Jews have a high(er) incidence of probable Aspergers. I found this article by googling Asperger's and Jews.

I started thinking today, were all my paternal ancestors tormented in the name of Christ? And for a minute I was filled with rage at all Christians. But then remembered that the Jews were tortured in ancient Egypt.

Yesterday I saw the Australian movie, Mary and Max. Max is a 45 year old Autistic Jewish man. He reminded me of myself in some ways and of family in other ways.

It seems to me that the traits that people who hate Jews pick out and call stereotypical are similar to Aspergers.

I have always felt that the attitude towards Jews is seriously a 5000 year misunderstanding. It is strange that so many different groups of people have problems with Jews. Is it propaganda? or is it Aspergers? Maybe both with some OCD sprinkled in.

Maybe the original tribe of Hebrews started when one guy separated from everyone else because of a genetic difference that made him good at thinking but bad at socializing and then slowly a tribe formed around him or her that took an a few new outsiders here and there whenever the tribe moved and someone from another culture would be fascinated by the funny brilliant people who were easily flustered.


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain Author

Nrets - This is a very thought provoking comment and seems to have similar themes running through from my article and other commentators here.

If some genetic research was to show this true, what a big apology would be owed to a population of misunderstood genius people that have been stereotyped.

Yes, this is not PC.. but to be politically correct means there is a fear involved - a fear of saying something that might not be popular. Any fear stops progress. dont we want a greater understanding to human behaviour?

Thank you for your well considered comment :)


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A.A. Zavala 5 years ago from Texas

Fascinating theory. Outstanding hub!


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

From theories, come experiment, from experiment comes evidence - we need the evidence, now, don't we?

Thanks AA Zavala :)


Mira 5 years ago

How exactly do you hope to make the world a better place by proving that there's an internal, genetic reason that Jews have been so persecuted? You're trying to prove that our genetic makeup causes us to be bad at socializing and basically unlikeable to the general population who is insensitive to our 'aspie' personality? This may be the most disgusting theory I've ever encountered in the name of some quest for peace and understanding!

You might want to gain a bit of knowledge about the origins of anti-Semitism, and you'd find that our "cold and selfish" personality was not actually the root of Christian anti-Semitism. The early Christians were Jews- they had the same genetic make-up as the Jews they came to hate. They developed anti-Semitic stereotypes in order to discredit Jews in their promotion of the new and improved Judaism. This is the origin, and it had nothing to do with a Jewish personality trait that people found unlikable.

It's scary how whole-heartedly many people on this thread have embraced Jewish stereotypes as truth. You are sincerely comparing aspie traits to traits that anti-Semites have created about Jews- this is a disgusting description of Jews and people with Asperger's.

Are you aware that your theory implies that 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust because Hitler and his collaborators found the Jewish personality is so unlikeable?


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Mira - I think that it is well documented that Hitler found many traits of many different people unlikeable. Jewish people copped much of this but people with learning difficulties and those deemed as socially unacceptable (Gypsies for example) also were 'extinguished'.

Here, in this article, I celebrate Jewish and Asperger Syndrome traits. The Jews are an amazingly talented race that have been much misunderstood. Many people with Asperger's Syndrome have specialist genius traits that people marvel at.

What is so 'disgusting' at comparing genius, understanding this and admiring a nation that has suffered from a lack of understanding from the rest of the world?

I value your comment, however, as it demonstrates how misunderstanding can lead to hatred. Thank you.

I am sorry that you have decided to look at this article in a negative way.


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dawnM 5 years ago from Camarillo, CA

Hi Shazwellyn, I did not read all of the posts, but I do have a very strong reaction to this hub and I do have something to say. In the past and still in the present of the orthodox Jews, it was very typical for couples to marry first cousins, I believe that many of the problems are from inbreeding, not going outside of the religion, and keeping the blood lines at any cost. Many Jewish people have ADHD and obsessive compulsive disorder, along with aspergers. Yes the intelligence level is high but at a cost, the gene is passed on with many of the above disorders. OCD is one of the most common disorders passed on and this could account for many Jewish over achievers. I have 8 more pages I could write on this put I will save you the details…. I have every part of all of the above in my blood line!


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Brilliant! I think you are onto something dawnm :)


CountvonLuckner 5 years ago

From the above roster of actually or allegedly jewish "greats', I have serious doubts that some of them were in fact jewish---it should be borne in mind that people who are of at least 1/4 jewish blood are considered to be "jewish" by the jews themselves. In the interests of saving space and time here, I am not going to go through this list name by name but will focus on one.

The citing of Albert Einstein leaves much open to witticism and criticism...all of the conceptual and mathematical genius in the so-called "Einstein" Theories of Relativity (Special and General) were well in place before Einstein was even known and originated in far more creative minds than his. For example, the notion that time constitutes the Fourth Dimension originated with the truly gifted French inventor and scientist, Jean d'Alembert, in 1735, and was set forth in a French philosophical journal of the day. The German mathematician, Minkowski, was actually the one who conceived of a space time continuum or 4-space manifold and the idea that when one physical object is moving rectilinearly with respect to another, there is a "rotational" transformation of coordinates creating what is known as a "Lorentz invariance" in honor of H.A. Lorentz, the Dutch physicist who derived the original space-time transformation equations long before Einstein.

Einstein originally rejected the idea.

Ever seen this equation? E = mc^2 , the so-called

mass-energy equivalence equation? It was originally derived by the great French philosopher and mathematician, Henri Poincaire, and independently by the German theoretical physicist, Hasenoehrl, in 1900, the same year as the Quantum Theory was proposed by Max Planck...none of the above were jewish. But Einstein wasted no time in giving himself credit in 1905 for what greater minds than his had accomplished. Einstein has been dismissed many times as a confusionist and plagiarist and he contributed remarkably little in original thinking to theoretical physics.

So the question arises reasonably enough as to just how many of the above actual and supposed "jewish greats" were all that great.

Whoever wrote this article would have us believe that we should be "tolerant and understanding" of the alleged "greatness" of jews, autistic, AS, or otherwise and welcome them into our lives while blithely overlooking their asocial, antisocial and sociopathic mindset, demeanor and conduct. America is in the categorically wretched state it is in today because of that kind of palsied and masochistic "tolerance" and the lesson obviously wasted on the rather dimwit public in this country is that although generally noble traits such as charity and tolerance and forgiveness are the norm in Western Civilization, they can, and in this country most times are, carried to a pathological and quite suicidal extreme.

As to whether jews with or without autism and AS look upon the world in simple black and white, one is urged to read from the pages of their TALMUD and judge for themselves just what the "outlook" of the jewish race is upon the world...and read what it therein says about the jewish attitude toward gentiles and particularly christian gentiles (and I am neither christian nor muslim) and if after reading that for yourselves, you find that you are overcome by a desire to be "tolerant" and "understanding" and "warmly receptive" to jewish AS conduct, then you are a clinically confirmable masochist, probably none too bright and you richly deserve what you will suffer soon enough.

The jewish race has been quite forcefully and violently expelled out of every single nation in Western Europe at one time or another in history beginning in 1192 with King Edward I in Britain and it was because the working people of those usury stricken lands paid the hideous price of being suicidally tolerant toward those not worthy of it and had simply had enough...just like National Socialist Germany in most recent times. And I doubt seriously that Hitler's indeed at least initially very impressive ability in military leadership derived from what ever oft alleged but never conclusively proven jewish genes resided within him


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

This is a different view Count, which is why I have allowed it be added to the debate. I am not sure as to whether you are advocating Jewish hate here and I would hope that tolerance and understanding be shown to all people, whatever their creed.

Science is an evolving, changing thing. Scientists that have added a significant extra which helps a hypothesis to be true, are always honoured for their contribution - in references as well as awards. Einstein was one of those and if you go back even further, you will find much of his, and others, hypothesis embedded far back beyond the time of Socretes, for example.

People with Asperger's Syndrome, are noted to take a subject, become obsessive with it and stick with it until they have a resolve. This is a good aspect to the syndrome and many of the people cited would say, that they are not geniuses, but people that keep on working on a problem long after others have given up. However, to be intellectually immersed in their solitude, does make for isolatation. This is a profound aspect of Aspergers syndrome.

It would be difficult for the average joe to understand the concepts of relativity - this is another reason for being misunderstood and a social isolate - Asperger's syndrome.

Now, let me take you back to the original article.... all I propose is that since we can identify Asperger's in genetics and MRI functioning - why not see if there is a corrulation with genetics and the Jewish race.

I would like to remind you, also, that when people are ostracised and segregated from a population, this spiral of negative behaviour can become a self fulfilling prophecy. Now is the time to stop the suffering and live life in peace and understanding. There is nothing wrong with integration, if we as free spirits, choose.

Thank you for sharing


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Lorraine Kashdan 5 years ago from Canterbury

An extremely interesting theory. I have nothing to contribute to this article but I think you have managed to articulate a sensitive subject very well. I will share this article on facebook. I too come from a Jewish background and have aspergers and there is a kind of aspergic 'trait' in many of the Jewish side of my family that means I can identify with what you are saying, I also notice the potential for the response you are describing toward some of my friends with aspergers who are also from a Jewish background. Food for thought!


Ironmistress 5 years ago

I just found today an interesting connection - it may be pure coincidence - but interesting anyway, between Scandinavians and Ashkenazi Jews; two ethnicities with extremely high prevalence of Asperger's.

It is blue eyes.

Blue eyes is a recessive trait, and an extremely common feature amongst Scandinavians. Some 75% to 90% of Scandinavians, depending of region, have blue eyes. But I found out today that blue eyes are an extremely common feature amongst Ashkenazi Jews as well - it was mentioned in Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color that some 54% of Ukrainian Ashkenazi have blue eyes. On the eye colour map on the Wikipedia page, Israel is like a separate island with blue eyes being far more common than elsewhere.

As a gruesome detail, Hitler and his ilk considered having blue eyes as an Aryan feature - and many Nazis were dumbfounded to find that there was no way to tell a German Jew from an ethnic German by appearance; and even so, blue eyes being more common amongst German Jews than amongst ethnic Germans!

The Wikipedia page also stated that all blue-eyed people in the world (I am one, yup), do share a single common ancestor. Blue eyes is a very old mutation - dated some 6,000 to 10,000 years ago, in Levant.

A certain lady told on my blog that all the Aspies she knows have either blue or green eyes. Could it be that these two traits - blue eyes and Asperger's - are present in a similar genetic cluster? Both are extremely rare outside Scandinavia and Ashkenazi Jews, but the similarities between these two groups are peculiar. The same lady also mentioned that Asperger's is a very underdiagnosed issue amongst women, and there are many degrees of that. While I am not an Aspie, I do have many traits usually connected on women to AS. Or, let's say, the symptoms were not enough for a diagnosis...

A lost tribe found? Perhaps not, but an interesting coincidence anyway.


Ironmistress 5 years ago

Christian,

if it appears that Scandinavians are one of the lost tribes, I promise to become a baal t'shuv.

Mira,

the same you claim applies to us Scandinavians as well. Our butts have been saved by the fact that Scandinavians have formed independent nation states in an early phase. But what you claim on Jews and persecution can be applied to Finns in a milder form - they too have been subject to quite harsh foreign rulers for centuries. Finland got independent only 1917 - and then rose from being one of the poorest states of Europe into one of richest in the world, despite four wars, depression and reparatory payments to USSR.

Scandinavians have a reputation of being rude, sullen, unemotional and having "in your face" attitude - and the flip side is honesty, trustworthiness, amazing talent on technology and mathematics (just think of Nokia and Ericsson), and talent on music. Aren't those also features connected to AS?


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Lorraine - I am so happy and grateful that you have made this comment. I cant tell you the amount of emails that I have had from people who are from a similar background and has stated the same.

Bless you :)


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Ironmistress - thank you so much for adding such and interesting dimension to this article. It is only a matter of time that genetics will discover the truth and there will be a huge apology to a section of the population that has been so harshly misunderstood. There will be a time when diversity of such talented abilities will be appreciated with gratitude.

I am happy and grateful for your valuable contribution.

Bless you :)


Ironmistress 5 years ago

Let's say that the maternal grandmother of the German naval hero Felix Graf von Luckner was a German Jewess. As was that of another German naval hero, Bernhard Rogge.

CountVonLuckner, what you say is basically true, but I do not like neither Anti-Semitism or Semitomania. It is not what you say, but how you present it. It is just that Jews is a nation amongst others, and it applies to Jews applies also to lesser extent my own nation, Finns. [Yes, we are genetically Scandinavians while our language is Finno-Ugric. As are the Estonians.]

My own theory is that if Jews had managed to found an own nation state in the Middle Ages, it would today resemble the Scandinavian societies a lot. Similarities in this respect are quite striking.

Scandinavian Nobelists? Wikipedia lists the laureates by nationality here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureat... - and I could count some twenty or so American laureates with peculiarly Nordic-sounding names. And then Niels Bohr! He was a Dane by his father and Jew by his mother, and also his son Aage Bohr won the prize 1975.

Traditionally, Jews have been a middleman minority, and prospered as such. It hasn't been the religion or race per se why they have traditionally been hated, but the status of a middleman minority. A middleman minority will form in a society which is wildly unequal and divided either into filthy rich and dirt poor, or into oppressed and oppressors. Such minorities can be Jews in Feudal Europe, Armenians in Turkey, Christians in Japan, Indians in several African countries, and strangest of all, the Lebanese in Ghana. A middleman minority consists of merchants, scholars, moneylenders, bankers, enterpreneurs and artesans, and they usually are hated by the poor and oppressed and viewed with suspicion by the rich and the oppressors. But the properties of Asperger's are certainly for help for the middleman minority! Finns were on their way on becoming such middleman minority in the Czarist Russia - until the October Revolution 1917 terminated that development, and Finland got her independence.

[Fortunately that didn't happen. Otherwise the whole world would hate us.]

There has been some discussion on my blog on how this trait and tendency to autism has aided Finland on surviving the wars - Helsinki was the only European capital along with London which was never occupied by a hostile force. Being autistic allows the leader to concentrate on facts and details without emotions and make decisions based solely on facts. It is said Finns tolerate better setbacks and successes, and Finnish style of leadership reflects the traits of autism. Finns are considered to be rude and sullen as leaders (just think your nearest army drill sergeant) but in a crisis they work well. Unfortunately, that is not the way on leading anyone to success - Finland is poorer than it really could be. The again the similarities with Israel couldn't be more striking.


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Ironmistress... you really have some brilliant points here! I can only hope that this article, with all these comments, become viral. These theories really need to be explored. It is about time a nation is understood and celebrated for the positive attributes to asperger traits. I can only hope that this theory can become a hypothesis that is evidence based through statistical anaylisis.

Thank you, thank you , thank you!


Ironmistress 5 years ago

One of my regular commentators, Jaska Brown (who said he had scored on each and every AS self-test off the scale) asked me to think about AS and leadership versus management: I wrote Finland (where the frequency of AS is 0.68% of population) can stand well hardships but badly successes and how Finland is poorer than it really would have potential - the problem is in Finnish style of management.

I wrote "Jews are like Finns run through Marshall amplifier and knob turned up to eleven". The same stereotypes apply. Finns are not known around the world as stupid, drunk, lazy or corrupt - as we have feared. Rather we are known as cold, unemotional, rude, indiscreet and geeky. Again, those are symptoms...

Since autism and AS is not a on-off state but rather a sliding scale, the traits connected to AS are likely to affect the whole population. I would like to now present a concept of "critical mass" - a percentage of AS in population, where its properties affect the whole population. And it appears that is extremely low. If 0.68% share on Finns can make the difference (the same with other Scandinavians), how will it be with Jews?

My theory is that when the critical mass of AS is reached on population, the management style is reflected on whole - becoming more managing things (as faceless factual entities) and less leading human beings. This autistic and somewhat heartless approach enables to survive hardships really well, but not really flourish and succeed but in special occassions.

Likewise, Israel is far poorer than it really would have potential. And she too has fared extremely well on wars, and has stood and tolerated incredible hardships! Isn't this again a reflection of being more concept-centered than people-centered - which is a trait of AS?

Jews have really been brilliant as middleman minorities, which also has caused a lot of antipathy, leading to Anti-Semitism. But then again thinking of Scandinavian societies; they are very homogenous, quite even income distribution, nobility means only a nice title, democratic to boot - there has not been a niche for middleman minorities, and Jews have not risen as such outstanding minorities than elsewhere, especially in Eastern Europe, where people were severly divided in oppressors and oppressed and there was a niche for a middleman minority. In a sense the middleman minority lives in dangerous or at least very precarious situation - viewed by suspicion by oppressors and by envy and hatred by the oppressed. But there neither has been ever any significant Anti-Semitism in Scandinavia - as we say in Swedish, "lika barn leker bäst" (similar kids play together best). Perhaps this similar tendency - susceptibility to AS - has enabled the Jews to blend well in the Scandinavian societies? I wrote some time ago that if Jews had managed to form a nation state in the Middle Ages (okay, the Khazar Khanate indeed was a Jewish state), it would today resemble a lot the Scandinavian states. Israel does not - but not so far.

Someone said "Jews have produced Yitzhak Perlman, Geddy Lee and Michael Henrich, but not New York Philharmonic, Rush nor Edmonton Oilers". That is again a trait on AS: a tendency to rather act as individuals than stress on teamwork and teamplay. The same can be said of Scandinavians as well in lesser scale: Scandinavians excel as individuals but not as much as groups.

On non-intellectual pursuits, Finns have really excelled as race car drivers and fighter pilots; it would be interesting to note if the traits considered typical to AS would be an asset on such profession. If such, we would expect there would have been MANY Israeli fighter aces during the Arab-Israeli wars

It would be interesting to know if Aspies are more into dogs or cats as pets. They reflect one's traits to some extent. [I love both.]


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

You are an incredible person, Ironmistress. I am happy and grateful for your input :)


Mike 5 years ago

If you look at the world today with jews killing and harvesting others organs, sex trafficking, racist media owned by jews,a plan to kill blacks and depopulation, this disease is nothing nice. I'm really tired of jews claiming to be gods and superior when they have genetic defects that make them undesirable has history has pointed with them being exiled from over 126 countries.


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There is no one here claiming god-like status Mike!


djeff 5 years ago

God, I'm both Swedish and Jewish, and I have scored very high on all Aspergers self-tests. I am 58 and have only recently come to understand the strong likelihood of this condition in my life - it explains so much!

Mostly I wanted to say that this is wonderful hub and really appreciate the information, especially Ironmisstress.


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

djeff - It is a wonderful journey of self awakening. I am so happy and grateful that this article might question or help you toward self actualisation. It only goes to show that even at 58 people can learn more and be amazed at how wonderful they are!


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Little Nell 5 years ago from Somerset, UK

An intriguing theory, and well supported anecdotally as your contributions have shown. There is another theory doing the rounds which may be compatible, and that is that the aspergers genes - of which there will be a large cluster - originate from Neanderthals. Now before anyone scoffs, Neanderthals are not the ancestors of modern humans but have evolved separately from a human-Neanderthal ancestor. However, Neanderthals are not a different species from Homo sapiens, more a sub-species and seem to have been capable of interbreeding with Homo Sapiens. The evidence of this is that the human genome carries 1 to 4% of Neanderthal DNA (A huge amount) What exactly do these Neanderthal genes contribute? Google Neanderthal and Aspergers, there is a lot of ideas and evidence out there. Is this compatible with the Jewish- Aspergers theory? I think so. Right location for a start, and a community which has kept its identity through two millenia, reducing the intermixing of genes. By the way, the neanderthals had larger brains than modern Homo Sapiens and were probably more intelligent.


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

How interesting, Little Nell! Thank you for adding to this article eliquently and well. It really does give another dimension to the theory.


JamesBrown101 5 years ago

It is interesting to investigate the link between Aspergers and Jewish people but you have taken this title and turned it into a Jewish love fest. Aspergers is no wonderful diagnosis. It is listed deep in abnormal psychology area of the DSM IV with associated schizoid personality and pre-schizophrenia.

Most of the Jewish names you mention I have never heard. To keep harping over and over about Einstein and Freud does no service to your point. There have been many great scientists since these two (mostly German, Chinese and Indian). Over the years Freud's theories have been reduced to bunk. Einstein was a patient lawyer in Swiss German offices, working during the heyday of German physics discovery (most all early discoveries in physics were made in Germany). He most certainly stole pieces and parts of many patient applications in order to publish his early works. Once was was forced to move away from German patient work his work fell drastically.

As for high intelligence, IQ exams are Jewish inventions (see Wechsler). They have been proven to be much slanted toward introverted, autistic types and contain no real assessment of executive processes, creativity, emotion, inventiveness or compassion. These later topics define being human and of existing within humanity. Wechsler's IQ scales define very non-human, near robotic traits such as root memory, unemotional decision making and black and white logic.

To live on earth is ALL ABOUT being human. To celebrate an abnormal psychological condition that encompasses a non-human, unemotional, introverted and loner type existence seems to define the current observation of Jewish people in our modern world. Aspergers does explain the Unabashed stealing, lying, deceiving and conceiving but it does not forgive it.


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Thankyou for this comment. 'Abnormal' is the new 'normal'. The definition of normality is a social construction for which most people, in reality, do not conform to. The celebration of human's in this 'love fest' is an appreciation of diversity.

This diversity and perspective of their reality is about 'being human' - just as we, as a society, need to show gratitude of all our people - each person with a great deal to offer humankind without judgement and condemnation.

The truth is... all groups of society needs to be celebrated, for every perspective whether Jewish or not. This helps to progress humankind one stage further on our evolutionary journey. It is a wonderful becoming.

I value your comments as, just like everyone that has read, commented and participated within this article, your perspective, and the talents that you bring forth in your own way, helps with these small steps toward a more tolerant and loving society. Welcome to the love fest and bless you for your input. As an open article, your voice has been allowed to be spoken and this is how the world should be.


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Little Nell 5 years ago from Somerset, UK

In response to your question about AS and dog and cat ownership. I am a course manager for a qualification in animal management and we have a significantly higher proportion of ASD students than in the general population, around 10%, who seem to be attracted to the course. Although their abilities vary considerably as a group, in general they make excellent animal carers showing empathy towards animals that sometimes they don't necessarily show towards their fellow human beings. The classic role model here is the severely autistic Temple Grandin. Worth a google search.


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Thank you Little Nell. I know that 'animal therapy' has been used and proven successful for many with ASD. Thank you for commenting and highlighting that the lack of empathy, systematically associated to autism, seems to be originating only to fellow human beings as opposed to furrier friends.


JamesBrown101 5 years ago

World Wide Award Winners....

Dick Fuld.............David S. Loeb.......Andrew Kahr

James Cayne.......Herbert Sandler....Jack Abramoff

Sandy Weill........Barney Frank.......Steven Hirsch

Robert Rubin.......Alan Greenspan....Steve Orenstein

Paul Mozer..........Samuel Israel III....Lou Pearlman

Myron Scholes.....Leona Helmsley....Rupert Murdoch

Michael Milken....Ivan Boesky.......Nevin Shapiro

Bernie Madoff....Deny Kozlowski...Scott Rothstein

It would also be interesting to do a study regarding Jewish sociopathology in relation to the world wide high achievers listed above. Is there a connection to the Jewish race and the propensity to display sociopathic behavior. The first step would be to do a study of the percentage of Jewish people in prison in relation to the entire population (better even to count the ones that should be in prison but had stolen enough money to avoid prosecution through pay offs and fleeing he country). Then compare the percentage of Jewish in prisons to non Jewish and do a regression analysis looking for predictor variables such as the seven behaviors listed under sociopathic behavior: Feeling above the Law until A rrested, Deception, Inability to tell the Truth,Lack of Moral Character, Consistent inability of honor Financial Obligations and Lack of Remorse


JamesBrown101 5 years ago

Shaz...

I see that you deleted my post? Wow, you really are running a "controlled" discussion. But isn't that really what Jewish celebration is all about..controlling the information, news and statements in order that they may be slanted into a form that is of prime propaganda. For a second I thought you were a balanced, intelligent person opening a debate. Seems that as the debate becomes challenging, you close it to everyone except your cheer team. I see now that you are just another coward dishing out half truths and distortion. I pretender of science and thought!


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

James Brown.. You are entitled to a view.


Facinating :! \\//_ 5 years ago

Have Jewish Ancestry on both sides of the family going back 1400 years; but that doesn't explain my wife's family (we did find a Victorian era Indian Connection, however), however and why all our children are in the spectrum ...


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shazwellyn 5 years ago from Great Britain Author

Hi Facinating. The only way you will be able to find it for sure is by genetic testing. And your children? Well, there are your genes and you carry this with your ancestry at the very least!

This article is a hypothesis. The next step is for someone out there in science, to provide a null or not.

Thank you for dropping by and love your family'e diversity!


Ironmistress 4 years ago

I did some research on Israeli fighter pilots in the Israeli-Arab wars, and GOSH, they are excellent pilots! They have some 39 fighter aces (=more than five aerial victories on their credit), and their top scoring ace, Giora Epstein, has 17 enemy aircraft shot down.

This is again a symptom. People with AS tendencies have excellent 3D visionary and spatial skills. Some degree of asocial tendencies is an asset for an aviator, both for a military and civilian.

It would be interesting to know if people with AS make excellent architects? Two almost certain great architectural names with very clear-cut AS symptoms come on my mind: Le Corbusier and Alvar Aalto. Both are non-Jewish, but one is a Finn. If there was a Nobel prize for architecture, how would the Jews and Scandinavians do?


Ironmistress 4 years ago

Little Nell, check out Genesis 6:1-4 - the Neanderthals would certainly qualify as "nephilim" compared to Cro-Magnons. Modern Europeans carry 1% to 4% of Neanderthal genes in their genome. The Finnish folk tales speak about "jotunis", a large but solitary hominid race which inhabitated the land before the modern humans came in. Could they be Neanderthals? According to the tales, humans and jotuni occassionally married each other, and their children were exceptionally beautiful but usually sterile.

See this link http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm - for the possible connection. The Neanderthal girl reconstruction does not look too bad. Just give her a day in a beauty saloon and shopping mall for clothes, and nobody could distinguish her in a city street from Homo sapiens.


Ironmistress 4 years ago

I did some check on the Israeli air force and their fighter pilots, and GOSH! They have 39 fighter aces (= pilots who have shot down 5+ enemy planes) of the Arab-Israeli wars, and their top ace, Giora Epstein, has 17 victories - the top scoring American ace in Viet Nam, Charles deBellevue, has 6.

Good 3D and spatial skills - which are essential for an aviator, both for a military and civilian - are another AS trait. One of my friend was turned down for an airliner pilot on psychological tests, he was deemed "too social for an aviator".

I just wonder how good architects will people with AS do? It certainly asks for 3D skills. Two great names of architecture - Alvar Aalto and le Corbusier - immediately pop on my mind; they certainly did possess symptoms of AS. Neither of them is Jewish, but Aalto was a Finn. [And Aalto had an obsession on marble while le Corbusier had on reinforced concrete...]


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Ironmistress, what can I say? Yet another great additional comment to this debate. I am so excited by these extra dimensions that you, particularly, have added to this article! Thank you sooo much for your time, interest and knowledge. It is so appreciated!

Yes, people with AS do very well in the fields of Archetecture because they are visual. They are good at design and this manifests in various ways. When they visualise a structure in their mind's eye, they can rotate it and see the whole truth. This is where the creative genius comes into view. Apparently, it is only 10% of the population that has this ability, so does that mean 10% are on the spectrum?


Ironmistress 4 years ago

Well, again another trait.

Finns are not known as very talkative people. But other Europeans tend to say "Finns speak little, but with substance". If you have seen the parody of a Perfect European, he is "talkative like a Finn".

But the visual aspect! Where do you think the SMS messaging was invented - and the very first Internet social medium, IRC? I myself like far more communicating with e-mail than by talking on telephone.

The Finnish armed forces have had problems with conscripts who have had Internet addiction. No not VDs, alcohol or drugs as are the usual issue with conscripts around the world, but with Internet and social media. The visuality of the Internet has been a real breaktrough in this respect. Give a Finn an Internet connection and he is the most social person around.

I am very certain this is the same with Jews. They are not known as great orators or makers of speeches, but communication by visual means, such as script, is a completely different matter. Another enhancer of the 3D skills is that Hebrew is read from right to left while Roman letters are read from left to right, and to be fluent in both is certainly a boost for 3D skills.

As a serendipitic effect: once I learned the Hebrew alphabet, I noticed I had become fluent in Yiddish. I knew German already, and German and Yiddish are close enough to be mutually intelligible.


Ironmistress 4 years ago

James Brown, the question is not only Jews but also other genetically isolated populations, like us Scandinavians. Jews are a good sample group because of their isolated gene pool and that many other similar traits have been examined on using Jews as the sample population.

The very same stereotypes which you present are very much present amongst us Finns as well. We too are an isolated gene pool, making us a good control group.

It is a known trait that people with AS are not that good on communicative and inter-human skills. That trait can manifest itself, as you said, as unabashed stealing, lying, deceiving and conceiving - that is pretty much the trait known as "chutzpah", or "paha sisu" as we Finns say - we know that trait too. People with AS are not known of either empathy or ability to read other people's facial expression, non-verbal communication or non-verbal hints. They are also very poor to understand why normal people then get angry or violent on them.

Never attribute anything explainable by stupidity as malice. Your observations are correct, but if they can be explained better as consequences of AS rather than intentional evil, they should be handled as such.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Well said ironmistress. It is interesting how the associated brain networks in association has helped you to understand hebrew to yiddish.

For myself, I have found that I can decipher symbols upside down and rotationally. I wonder if this has something inherant from some distant racial memory?

It would be wonderful to get to the bottom of the dichotomy from which this article is based. I hope some researcher will pick this up and test for the jewish/as geneome.


Ironmistress 4 years ago

I found yet another genetic trait which is connected to AS and autism, and it is having red hair.

Yup, gingers usually have fair hair and blue eyes. And the Bible confirms this is yet another Hebrew trait: Esau was ginger, as was king David. Having red hair is a stample of Jewishness both in Eastern Europe, Germany and Spain. It is far more common amongst Ashkenazim than Sephardim.

And, needless to say, gingers are quite common also in Scandinavia, Ireland and Scotland. Those Finns who aren't blonde, usually are either auburns or redheads.

Redheads do have a certain image which is pretty similar as that of AS or high function autism.


Ironmistress 4 years ago

Woops, I meant to say fair skin. My bad :)


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Yes, Ironmistress. I can go with that! Seems to be more than 'ginger' in my experience - auburn particularly. Great flecks of red streaks. And yes... there is a stereotype of red heads isn't there.


Desirree 4 years ago

I understand the Asperger Syndrom as a way of racism against Jews. Is it has so many positive ways, the person could be respectively called in a very different way. Calling them as "autists" and as "sick", it is just an ultra discriminating way of typical jewish characters.

Today, especially in German, it is not suitable for the Germans to say to a child "you are strange because you are jewish". So the say "you are strange because you are an autist and we cannot keep you in this school".

For a child, this is EVEN WORSE, because it always thinks, that something is wrong with his/her person.

Also at the workplace, it is the best excuse for a company not to hire a jewish person: just saying he is sick of the Asperger Syndrome and cannot get along with other people.

I think, the jewish mentality is more inside- driven- from religion, focused on the true purpose and intention of an action- not on superficial gestures.

In the german society, however, it is very important to have conform gestures to be seen as a respectable individuum.


Mike 4 years ago

I'm Jewish...and I have Aspergers.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Mike - celebrate your genius and manage your social aspects for this will make you great! Bless you x


John 4 years ago

I'm not gonna waste too much time writing on this topic cause it isn't pragmatic at all. Being Jewish is a "religion" NOT a RACE! I repeat being Jewish is a "religion" NOT a RACE!!! The genetic similarities that you find in Jewish people are because they tend to marry and reproduce with people of their own faith.

Anyone who wants to be can become Jewish. Are you understanding what i'm saying? If you wanted to be YOU could be jewish. Your mom, aunt, cousin, nephew etc etc can all BE Jewish if they wanted to be. It's called converting to Judaism.

Now, lets tackle the biblical references which ppl are making. The problem with religion is that it has been misinterpreted since the formation of religion. Abraham wasn't a Jew cause Judaism wasn't even a religion at that time. Abraham was a Monotheist not a Polytheist. When you look at the Old Testament you will see that God spread man to the four corners of the Earth and confused the tongues (languages). As man evolved over time in varying regions you end up with different skin colors, eye colors, hair colors, etc etc.

Now, we can tackle the 12 tribes of Isreal. The 12 tribes of Isreal were never a specific "race" of people, but instead were "all" races of people. Isreal itself was a grand idea which was given a geographical location in ancient times. You had the Epytian Empire to the south and the Mesopotamian Empire to the north. Both empires practiced slavery, rape, murder, and heavy forms of taxation. Now, that is when God/Yhwh chose 1 of his tribes to form Isreal. That man was known as Moses. Moses was given the 10 commandments and lead a grp of people out of Egypt and into the land of Canaan/Isreal. He didn't lead 600,000 ppl it was probably more like a grp of 600 ppl. All Moses had to do was worship 1 God that was the only requirement of him. "Isreal" was NEVER a place given to 1 grp or race of people, but was a place for ALL races and ALL people as long as they worshipped 1 God. They could work and enjoy the fruits of their own labor without the concern of being enslaved, their sons murdered, daughters raped etc etc. This whole idea of the "chosen people" and Isreal being given to the "white" Jews is a theological phalacy and misinterpretation because Epytologists and Biblical scholars will clearly tell you that the sepcific tribe given the message of monotheism were "black". Yes, that is the truth my friends Moses and the Hebrew slaves written about in the book of Exodus were black Africans. This can be proven with minimal effort by researching and studying ancient Epytian hieroglyphs.

Now, we can tackle the message of Jesus/Yeshua and his "race" since it seems to be so important to misinformed people. Jesus/Yeshua was neither black nor white, but was born in Nazareth. He probably looked most like a modern day Arab. It's in scripture and gives a reference to him looking like copper. White people don't look like copper. One can also research the ancient writings of the Jewish historian Josephus and he also references what he looked like and it was neither white nor black. Remember, there is NO, Jew, or Greek, or Roman, there is only Monotheism vs Polytheism. That is and always was the true message of the various Abrahamic faiths.

Now, lets get back to your hypothesis on the practice of Judaism and AP among those ppl. To be honest it could hold some merit, but it has nothing to do with being a Jew and/or practicing Judaism, yet it most likely is rooted in their breeding practices. They marry and breed within their own faith so naturally if that gene was carried by a person or persons who practice Judaism then it would spread amongst them due to that method. Not becuase of their "race" etc etc.

I would like to say also that I am a "white" man and i'm also Agnostic. I'm not a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim just a true seeker of truth. Religion is a true battle ground cause most ppl are too lazy to take the time to figure it out on their own and let various sects and denominations shove their theological perspectives down their throats.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Brilliant points you make here, John.

I think the term 'orthodox Jews' comes to mind when thinking in terms of labels resultant of genetic inheritance. Yes, Judaism is a religion, but - correct me if I am wrong - orthodox jews are strict in the jewish blood line and this is what this article is focusing on - the genetic inheritance.

Taking into consideration that it is only 80,000 generations where the first homeosapien emersed out of the jungle, travelled and settled in various parts of the world, evolved and adapted to the various environments - we all stem from that first 'Eve'. It is how we evolved and what was kept in the genetic pool that has provided the 'lottery' of various traits associated with tribal evolution. These traits were necessary for survival and therefore, we have all evolved differently to make a world of different species of man.

It is important that we need to value the similarities between human beings, as well as celebrate the differences.

RELIGION: I know exactly where you are coming from here, John. Just as human beings come from the same source (i.e. Eve), so has religion. Have you read my article about mu? You might enjoy this. http://hubpages.com/education/mu-lost-civilization...

Religion has evolved. The various denominations are perfect and right for those who need the various forms of 'packaging' this message of love.

Thank you for your valuable contribution. Please continue to be the best you can be, my friend :)


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SantaCruz 4 years ago from Santa Cruz, CA

There are LOTS of comments here & I admit not reading through everything. My contribution: Since Jews tended to intermarry more than others in the past, given segregation into ghettos, some traits became emphasized more than they are in the general population. Furthermore, just being an outsider helps a person gain perspective and flexible thinking skills that people don't necessarily develop when they are part of the mainstream.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Thank you SantaCruz for your comment. You have summarised a good point.


AnnMarg 4 years ago

Fascinating article and discussion. I'd just like to point out that JamesBrown incorrectly classifies Dennis Kozlowski as a jewish. L. Dennis Kozlowski, like 99.9% of people whose surname ends with a ski suffix, is not jewish.


Offended 4 years ago

Wow! I was interested in learning about Aspergers and here I have come across some of the most anti-Semitic, rascist garbage in my entire life.

You hypothesis is an absolutely false and so anti-Semitic. Have you ever heard of Marc Spitz or are Gold Medal Swimmers except from your Aspergers/Jewish Connection. I feel sorry for you - you are so ignorant.


Garbage 4 years ago

Garbage, nonsense, no basis in fact!


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Bless you Garbage and Offended. May peace be with you x


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SantaCruz 4 years ago from Santa Cruz, CA

I'm sorry that "Offended" & "Garbage" don't seem to understand your article's intent.

Moving on to the question of Nobel laureates, yes, there could be a gender/Asperger's connection. There's no question that women who deserved Nobel prizes were overlooked. It's also true that because women have two X chromosomes, we are less likely than men to express many genetic mutations.


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agord 4 years ago

I knew a lot of people at school and since who I thought were Jewish, didn't know for sure, but they all seemed to be direct, coherent, socialble but not concerned with the mainstream, and direct but never bullies. I've always associated these traits with Jews and feel safe with them. They were always moving along an intellectual trajectory, and very ambitious, always negotiating with life


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SantaCruz 4 years ago from Santa Cruz, CA

Agord, there's variability in every group but I like your characterization :).


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agord 4 years ago

I like to characterise, it's easier :)


hammer 4 years ago

I think that your hypothesis is just that, a poorly thought out, unsubstantiated hypothesis postulated by someone without knowledge of genetics or human nature. To link AS symptomatology as Jewish characteristics or traits is a kind of underhanded, disguised anti-Semitism shrouded by pseudo-science.

As someone who has been around MANY Jewish people all of my life (no, I am not Jewish but was born and raised in New York City), I've never noticed the AS symptoms that you've mentioned as being particularly prevalent amongst the Jews that I have known. Having a high IQ and being direct does not mark someone as an AS patient, or a Jew. Your poorly conceived "theory" that somehow AS might be one of the causative factors for anti-Semitism is ludicrous, idiotic and prejudicial. That little notion of yours somehow places the blame and responsibility of Jewish persecution throughout the ages, on the Jews themselves!

In other words you are blaming the VICTIMS for their own persecution simply because they possessed some

"abnormal" characteristic or trait that other "normal" people did not possess and found repulsive.

I blame anti-Semitism on early Christian history/the early church fathers, i.e...Replacement Theology or Super-sessionism, fostered by men such as Origen, Augustine, John Chrysostom and others, the men who repeatedly called Jews "Christ killers" and incited the uneducated and ignorant masses to pogroms, inquisitions, massacres, crusades and other methods of controlling or exterminating the Jewish people. Even Martin Luther, the revered holy man of the Reformation, was a rabid anti-Semite.

Your theory of anti-Semitism and AS is absurd, amazingly naïve, and foolish. Perhaps you and a few of your readers should stop reading the Stalinist forgery, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"?

If Jews seem to be over represented in banking and "usury", it would do your readers a service to remind them that throughout the Middle Ages Jews were not allowed to hold just any job but were relegated by law to a narrow field of employment, namely money lending and "usury". Those occupations were regarded as unchristian, and so Jews were "allowed" to work in the occupations that Christians desperately needed but viewed as sinful and un-Biblical.

Having AS doesn't relieve one of the responsibility to become informed and to educate oneself before postulating ridiculous and nonsensical theories.

Your theory makes about as much sense as blaming Muslim women who have been raped (and consequently sentenced to death by stoning), to be culpable and in some measure responsible for their own death sentence.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Blessings Hammer. There is no 'blame'- just thought. AS might be thought of as a positive to the informed. I Thank you for time in your response and wish you well.


mike 4 years ago

you say that there is nothing "wrong" with such a mindset...until you happen to be on the receiving end, then you might see it differently.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

We all live in our own reality, Mike. If there is a certain characteristic in ANYONE that you feel you can't contend with, you just have to turn the other cheek and walk away. In this way you are doing no harm, causing no loss or injury and all will be peaceful in your reality.

Not everyone can live with all people and we can not be expected to. However, to be tolerant and understanding - whatever others actions - is being the best of being human. That doesn't mean to say that we should embrace traits of others that we might as individuals loave - it is up to us to decide that if it doesn't make us feel good, then we calmly turn away.

It is always up to you to find your joy. By realizing your truth and being in tune with you, you can become better than your present state. That is what it is all about, development, growth and happiness.


christian cerna 4 years ago

hi. i am a 31 year old hispanic male from los angeles, ca. i arrived at your site through a link on another site. although i had heard of the term aspergers, i had never taken the time to learn what it meant. but now that i know some of the symptoms, i am surprised to see that i have some of those symptoms. i always assumed that i was just an abnormally quiet person- compared to others.( personally i think most people talk more than they should.).

while growing up i always felt abnormal, because everyone always pointed out to me the fact that i didn't speak much. some even called me anti social. it's not that i didn't want to talk, it's just that i didn't have many things to say. i have been slowly opening up more, and learning to enjoy being around others, and the importance of having close relationships with people.

it's funny, because one of the reasons i often felt uncomfortable around people, was because i was extra perceptive to their eyes and demeanor. so i could tell immediately if a person is comfortable around me, and when they are not. it is always awkward talking to someone who is plainly not comfortable talking to me. and that in turn makes me feel uncomfortable, which probably makes things worse. but on those rare occasions when i meet someone i can connect with, i open up freely.

it's strange but funny, that when i am emailing someone or chatting with them online, i feel like the real me comes out. online i can be incredibly charming and funny and creative- which is great for meeting people online. but it's not great when one has to meet in person for a first date. women are usually disappointed when they meet me. a couple of times i've been told that i should have a keyboard in front of me at all times, so i can talk more.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

christian cerna - it seems that there is just too much sensory information for you to cope with. You are your best when you can 'think' about it. The written format helps you with this - it gives you time to think and not worry about what anyone else thinks about you (their body language, sort of, knocks your confidence when you communicate and you start to doubt yourself - is this right?).

Thinking about how you present yourselves to others takes away the energy from who you really are... witty, clever and attentive. This is exactly what ASD is about - the spontaneous whole package is missing. Not to worry because you are perfect just as you are and only the selective right people can see what a wonderful human being you really are. After all it is only those who love you, who's opinion counts.

Thank you for stopping by and enjoy who you are... accept, love and acknowledge :)


christian cerna 4 years ago

yes, exactly! one reason why i often shy away from large social gatherings- especially in places like loud restaurants and clubs- is because i have a soft, deep voice. even as a child, my voice was very soft and low pitched. so i found that i was better off not saying anything, than to say something and not be heard. it is no fun trying to be witty or funny, when you have to repeat yourself a several times. i find that i often have to wait for breaks in the conversation before i say something, so that it doesn't get lost in the noise.

this is why i feel free when i write. when i write, i can create any voice i choose. i am not limited by my weak, human voice. the reader sees my words, and judges them by their merit- and not by my appearance or awkwardness in speech.


christian cerna 4 years ago

Yes, the more I think about it, the more I see that this is probably why I was always so quiet in school. Because I knew that I had a soft voice, I knew that people could only hear me when it was mostly quiet in the room. But as you can imagine, a classroom full of children is rarely quiet. While most kids can yell across the room when they have a question, and be heard by the teacher, i could not get away with doing that. Thus, instead of asking others how to do something, I would try to figure it out on my own first. And if I couldn't figure it out, I would hope that someone would notice, and come around and help me. This made me an independent person, preferring to work alone on things.

I believe that many people who are quiet, probably had similar experiences.


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shazwellyn 4 years ago from Great Britain Author

Thank you Christian for your contribution. It is not just about being quiet for this is the 'observed behavior' - a reaction to what is going on internally or how the brain is wired. You can always learn to throw your voice but you can not change what you are fundamentally, although you can learn on a conscious level to adapt.

Celebrate the person you are and be grateful that you are unique.


stopgt5h 3 years ago

there is a difference between being unemotional and not able to read body langauge or facial features. being an aspie myself(who is now in his first year of a masters program,in sports history), i know for a fact i am not cold detached or unfeeling. am i awkward and a bit annoying ? yes. do i tend to be overly blunt and take things at face value on ocassion? you bet. do i sometimes mis read others body ,facial, and vocal cues? yes i have trouble, but im way better than i was when i was young. in fact i am convinced having briefly been in a relationship with a woman who also is an aspie, we are probably the biggest definitions of hopeless romantic. we want to feel that passion about someone to the point where when we dont have someone to have a mutual exchange of shared feelings, we tend to be our own worst enemies. buts thats because we are overemotional not cold and detached. the fact you try to see if there is a jewish-aspie connection is not what offends me. while to the best of my knowledge i have little to no jewish ancestry(in fact most of the fellow aspies i know dont either)having been around jews all my life i have been fascinated by their history. what offends me is the implacation that one sprouted out of the other. that goes against common history, common science, and simple common sense.


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shazwellyn 3 years ago from Great Britain Author

stopgt5h - I agree that people with Asperger's do 'overwhelmingly feel'. Is this not part of the obsessional behaviour pattern? They get 'overwhelmingly' angry... 'overwhelmingly' interested in certain subjects of interest and 'overwhelmingly' sad and fearful. It seems that they feel what effects them and not necessarily understand that other's are feeling too. That is what empathy is.

It is a well known fact that people with Asperger's syndrome start to 'normalise' (whatever normal is?) by the age of 21. They start to 'consciously' learn social interaction and coping mechanisms - where other people find this natural, people with ASD struggle. They get there in the end, provided of course, they haven't been damaged by the trauma of growing up 'different'.

My son is a 18 year old Asperger's and he is learning. He is a little damaged by the trauma of being a special child but is starting to understand. His diagnosis has helped to accelerate his understanding which, hopefully, limits the damage of being different.

I am an undiagnosed female who has been damaged through a lack of a label. I am part of a lost generation, who ended up studying psychology as an attempt to get my head around human behaviour. I wanted to understand people.

Of course, we are all subject to cultural influence and common sense would open our minds to each person's individuality.

I value your perception on this but I don't quite understand the point you are making.


JamesBrown101 3 years ago

The above posters "Offended" and "Garbage" seemed to have read something into this blog which doesn't warrant words such as anti-semitism or racist. Shazwellyn is only making a postulation as to a connection of Jewish heritage and above average numbers of autistic persons. He is NOT making excuses for Jewish people nor is he saying that people have more reason to hate Jewish persons because there may be trait of Autism within Jewish people. He is only giving examples of past Jews whom have exhibited Autistic behavior within their careers or artistic endeavor.

The problem with only citing famous or successful Jews when observing Autistic behavior suggests that this Autism provides elements of Superior intelligence and offers the ability to open doors of perception or invention. If this were true and Autism did offer the ability to perceive reality such that making very successful movies (Spielberg) or delving into human intellect(Freud) was a part of it then one must give examples of non Jews with Autism who have also performed successfully in these fields or artistic areas. I know of no such examples.

Also, if one is to point out the very successful Jewish Autistic people in this discussion then one also has to speak of the unsuccessful or pathological Jewish people because when studying any behavior trait objectively within a group or population one must acknowledge both the good and bad behaviors or activity with this population to make a sound thesis.


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shazwellyn 3 years ago from Great Britain Author

You are quite correct in what you say. I haven't done a controlled statistical analysis and this is what is needed next in order to find a true or false null hypothesis to this.

What I do know is that, apparently, 80% of the prison population is deemed to show Asperger's tendencies. Maybe this is because they tend to get caught more than their counterparts ??? This shows another view, perhaps more negative. Would it be possible to isolate a 'jewish' gene? What would be the implications and how could we use this information to aid value to a population?

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