Agel vs Pills

What is Agel?

Agel is a company that produces and distributes vitamins, minerals, proteins and other health and wellbeing products in the form of a gel through a network of independent distributors. Agel is a Multi Level Marketing business. What they sell is called gelceuticals.

They started in 2005 and have opened up in dozens of companies since their US launch. They have thousands of members reselling their product.

You can't buy Agel products in a supermarket. It's sold through the distributors. Much like Amway. Or any of the other possibly hundreds of legitimate MLM businesses that have sprung up over the years since Amway won a landmark case in 1979 when the Federal Trade Commission found that Amway did not qualify as an illegal pyramid scheme.

Aside from giving a little backstory and history we will not be looking at Agel or MLM's business ethics or their compensation plan.

We'll be looking specifically at Agel Vs Pills.

We won't be dragging up the hundreds of pages which prove how effective Agel is. Why? Because all the research has been conducted by Agel.

We will look at it solely from a laymans point of view, with a pound of common sense and a few heaped tablespoons of logic.

The Difference

Gel works better. Apparently. It absorbs into your system so much faster. They say.

Okay, so the gel gets into your system faster. So if you really need the vitamins and minerals, take yours first thing in the morning. Wash it down with an orange juice. Or take them the night before.

Not all of us are elite athletes that require immediate results from our supplements. In fact if you have a healthy lifestyle and eat the right foods you don't need to rely on a dozen different elixirs (or potions, or gels, or pills or whatever).

"Agel™ EXO is a powerful blend of 14 rare and exotic fruits and plant extracts. These whole-fruit purees and plant extracts are absolutely loaded with antioxidants and other beneficial nutrients... One small packet of Agel EXO contains the equivalent of nearly five full servings of whole fruits and berries!"

Go and eat five full servings of fruits and berries! Your taste buds will love you for it!

Though one might wonder that even after devouring the small portion of EXO that comes in the little packet that you might still be hungry. What are you going to eat then?

Chase it down with some FIT!

"Agel™ FIT plays a powerful role in the sometimes frustrating struggle of eating less and moving more. Eliminating the harmful effects of stimulants, FIT contains a natural, active ingredient called Super CitriMax™, the patent-pending form of HCA (hydroxycitric acid), which comes from the extract of the fruit and rind of Garcinia cambogia."

"Take one Agel™ FIT packet twice a day as needed, 30-60 minutes before a meal."

Okay, so we have that sorted out. EXO to replace the 5 servings of fruit and because you'll probably go hungry because of it, take a couple of FIT's.

That's 3 gel packs per day.

Then there's MIN (vitamins and minerals), OHM (a boost of extra power), UMI (I got not idea what this is supposed to do for you), PRO (protein) and FLX (for your joints).

It's probably recommended to take at least one of these per day.

Each comes in a box of 30. So you get a months supply in one box. Except for FIT. If you're taking two a day that means there's only enough for half a month.

You could be going through 3 to 7 or even 8 boxes of Agel per month.

The alternative is that you eat a balanced diet. And just to be sure take a few multi-vitamins to make up for any short-fall.

But gel is so much easier to swallow than pills!

Break the pill in half. Into quarters. Grind it up. Dissolve it. But otherwise yes, a gel based product is easier. But then again a juice is even easier still.

The Cost

Gel might be easier to swallow than pills, but not so easy to swallow is the cost.

Compare the prices...

A box of Agel costs what? $80? And if taken as recommended you'll be going through 2, 3, 4 or more boxes per month.

A bottle of multi-vitamins is how much? Twenty bucks? And they can have 100 tablets in there. That's 3 months worth! Do the math.

But I can make money with Agel!

You're welcome to try.

Don't get caught up in the hype. If someone tries really hard to sell it (Agel as a business opportunity) to you then have a good hard think about it. If it's so easy to sell, why are they trying so hard?

As well as looking at exactly how you make money, be sure to find out how much it's going to cost.

You are required to buy two boxes of Agel per month to be eligible for the bonuses. They'll point out that you'll be making plenty of money anyway, but that relies on your downline. If they aren't selling, then you aren't making points (which translates into money). And if they aren't selling then they're less likely to be buying their own one or two boxes to stay current and in the system, thereby meaning your points reduce again.

It requires an awful lot of work to be doing a little business on the side.

Maybe I should sell those pills that the other MLM sells!

Again, they will have inflated costs.

If you're thinking of going into it as a business then be sure to research it and ask lots of questions.

If you're interested in vitamins and supplements, then buy your pills from the supermarket, drugstore, chemist, pharmacy. Buy a name you can trust. Do a bit of research. Be healthy, but be cautious if you think you can make money from reselling health and wellbeing through an MLM system.

If all you're interested in is making money...

There are plenty of other ways. I'm not here to sell anything to you or sign you up to any program. I have no affiliations with any MLM company. I'm just amazed at the ongoing costs that these MLM incur not just on customers but on their members.

But again, if you're comparing Agel to Pills, then which do you think wins?

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Comments 91 comments

Tray Lunch 9 years ago

Hello,Someone tried to pitch Agel to me the other day, and I was weary from the get-go, because it sounded like a scam. Then I decided to do some research. As it happens, it is a scam. A huge one. It frustrates me the depth that people buy into these MLM schemes, without thinking rationally about it. They don't seem to understand the scheme is not about the product, and it is doomed to fail. They disgard traditional evidence against MLM's, because 'this is different.' It's really frustrating to think of the lack of rational thought involved with these scams.As for the product, it is also a sham when you think about it, as your article cogently points out. Thank you for your research.


roozak 9 years ago

Take a bottle of Centrum, turn it around and explain to me why there is 6000% of Vitamin A in each pill? The cost is not $80 but $60...perhaps you would like to research Dr. Ann de wees Allen and find out why she took her 60 patents to Agel...her research in low-glycemic products is unparalleled...

You assume in your argument that people already eat healthy...hence the word "supplement"...research your definitions...again I have stated it before a thousand times if you arent interested in Agel, move on with your life...by spending time on bashing something you know little about proves your own ignorance...if you would like to actually have a discussion on the efficacy of the products I would be glad to do so...but I hardly think you are a qualified medical professional...

Doctors are in the sickness business and they make money on you being sick...not being healthy...and I should know as I am a part of that sickness industry...I am now in the wellness indistry and am interested in helping people maintain a healthy lifestyle...

Once I would like someone to post the actual truth about why Agel is a scam...every single person that states that is either in another company or is a total buffoon...you decide for yourself what category you are in...

I am Agel and I am Healthy


Bozak 9 years ago

I knew it was a scam. Its true, hmm..who paid the medical reps to say the benefits and advantages of Agel? Its not from an independent doctor who just recommends it to his patients on his own. And the cost is outrageous.

I would rather just eat my fruits and vegetables daily, with my juice and water intakes. Plus they all taste good. Sure that would cost a lot better, and taste better as well


Da Truth 9 years ago

Oh yes, you care about other people's health, thats why you entered this business, while making money from ripping off your family and friends, for super condensed fruit extracts. Great friend!


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

Way to go Roozak!

You've just shown the world what a fool you are.

You have no idea about my background or how much or how little I know about Agel. You make a lot of assumptions.

Your biggest fault and failure is the fact that you think it's only right for 100% of the information about Agel to be 100% in support of it.

Come back in a years time and let me know how you go.

If you've accomplished your goals, all well and good. But I'm sure there'll be another 99 who are left with a bad taste in their mouth. And you'll dismiss them as all being losers and halfwits.

I hope you brought your downline with you from your previous MLM.


mr goodman 9 years ago

heard dr ann left agel... hahahahah..


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

Dr. Ann de wees Allen has left Agel?

Why's that?

Under what circumstances?


P.H. 9 years ago

"Doctor" Allen (??) a "Naturopath" who has never listed where she went to school, who supposedly graduated before any Naturopathic schools were accredited and you could get a diploma by mail, has no education actually listed in her C.V., her only titles are from companies that she started. And all of those questions don't even address the claims about her supplement that are repetitively contradicted in published L-Arginine research.

She is a great salesperson though. Oh yes, she could sell snow to eskimos...and they'd come back for more thinking only her snow can be absorbed.


Winning and loving it! 9 years ago

I read this web page just because I have been contacted by a rep of Agel...what a ridiculous Company Agel is...and how ignorant are the people are who join it! The "world wide" success the Agel Company is claiming is 'self proclaimed' as the results of the benefits of its products. First of all, it does not take much to establish a foreign web site with Agel products descriptions...just think of the multilingual mormon citizens living in Salt Lake City, Utah (which by the way, it's the place of Agel's Summit Conferences)...Any bilingual individual can in fact translate anything in different languages and post the 'foreign' web sites on the Net. I bet most of the Agel Reps are mormons around the world doing their mission of religion and...Agel business on a side. Whatever! But besides the modus operandi, the whole Agel is plain smoke in your face and eyes. Who wants to spend $60 - $ 80 a box with 30 mini packages per box...while the content of this packages is definitely a mistery? Further more, I saw the DVD of Agel CEO...and pleeeease, if he thinks he represents good health, he has to buy himself a mirror! I can write more, but it won't be much to say other than these entire array of Agel products are for plain suckers (no pun intended, as the Agel packs' contents are made to be sucked) and losers.


Clarence 9 years ago

Hello guys,

Just so you know, I'm not with Agel but I'm researching on it.

From what I see is that all MLM companies have overpriced products. I won't be discussing about Agel products as it is not what I think makes Agel really outstanding compared to the others.

However, Agel's compensation plan seems a lot more attractive than a lot of other companies.

They doesn't require you to achieve a certain 'commission volume' before you can claim your commission. What they require is that you buy 1 box of product every month, the good thing about that is it adds 'commission volume' to everyone with people in their downline.

And if for the 1st or 2nd month if u don't make even $100 to be able to cover the product, you don't have to purshase it.

Please let me know what do you guys think on this, looking forward to your responses.

Clarence


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

Clarence, how much would you have to sell to be able to cover that $100 cost?


Clarence 9 years ago

For everyone that join directly under you on the 'executive pack', you get $200 immidiately, and if your team volume commission is more than 1000CV than that's converted to $100. and you don't have to build that 1000cv yourself, whatever the people in your team do can help you build it too


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

And how much to sell the Executive Pack?

And... the volume commission is paid on the LESSER leg right?

So how many people would you have to have signed up to be making $100 a month in residuals to be paying for your own product? Not counting bonuses, because that's a one off. I'm talking about it growing to the stage where it's paying for itself.


Clarence 9 years ago

The Executive Pack is US$1000

Yes, the commission is from the lesser leg of that month, but if your lesser leg grows to be highier than the other leg the next month, that will be your lesser leg than.

1000CV = US$100

Executive Pack - 500 cv

Retailer Pack - 125 cv

One box of product - 50 cv

One box of UMI - 65 cv

This is how much the team will get in CV for trading the above.

So since we're not talkking about bonus, 1000cv / 50cv = 20 people

20 People in your team, including those that is not refered directly under you.

Most of the CV comes from the bonuses though.

Please do share with me if you have any doubts in any areas, to me it seems quite fair. I guess multi-level marketers sometimes make these schemes seem like a scam because they make it sound like a 'get rich quick' thing. The truth is that it is not, but it's something u can build. By the way, I'm still not with Agel yet.. still deciding. Thanks, looking forward to your response :)

Clarence


Clarence 9 years ago

darkside is there any other way i can contact you? through a messenger or something? im not a registered user here by the way

Thanks alot

Clarence


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

You need to persuade 20 people to part with $1000? Good luck!

At the end of the day you will need to convince these people of the value of the product. And is it simply that they can make money, and lots of it? Because the product is over-priced. I've outlined that in this hub article.

All MLM's are the same. It's the hungry sharks who make it big. You really do need to be a salesman, and an outstanding one at that, to get people to sign up or buy. And preferably sign up. Agel had a big chance at the retail aspect but they've leaned towards the sign-up side of the business. There's a lot of talk about working for yourself and making your own hours and the freedom of network marketing, but the ones that do well... they're putting in more hours a week in this "part time opportunity" then what most people put into a job that pays a wage.

Okay, so they've paid their dues, they're reaping the rewards, but there are also those that are putting in the same effort and getting nowhere fast. At least in a job they'd be getting compensated for that effort with overtime bonuses.

It is survival of the fastest.

Stop by http://hubpages.com/business/scam-2 for more information.

You can contact me through that page. I don't publish my email online.


Perle 9 years ago

Please someone give me some clariry, my family is really trying to get me into it, I found so many sites to bash it, but then again to promote and validate it, please feel free to contact me on my email smilingrps2@aol.com and give me honest advice, as I am looking to make money (don't we all) but in a secure legitimate way obviously, where I make real money, not feeding the ones on top and me making nothing but sweating to find people to sign up, its expensive after all....Thank you all


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

Perle, I do believe the answer you seek is in your question.

"It is expensive after all".

How long have your family been doing it? Are they seeing financial rewards? Are they successful? Have they tapped out all the sign-up possibilities in your immediate family?


islandboy 9 years ago

Darkside, what do you think that the Legendary Randy Gage is back to business and had signed with Agel ?Your attitude towards MLM industry seemed to be biassed - Risk exists in any business whether traditional or MLM business and rewards may not happen even if efforts have been made. It is not an employee contract. not every one succeeds in running a restaurant, for example. Paul Zane Pilzer, a former Ronald Reagan administration's economic adviser seems to be for promoting MLM industry and He predicts a boom in that industry in the next ten years.


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

islandboy, you seem biased... towards the MLM industry.

Do you have anything to say that finds my thoughts and opinions published in this hub to be incorrect?

Agel have made a big deal about their gel versus pills. And I'm taking a close look at that from a layman's perspective. For the average person does the gel advantage really mean anything? What about the cost? Is it value for money? I don't think so. But people aren't given the chance to think about that, they're immediately distracted with the sales pitch of giving up their day job and living the life they've always dreamed of with far less and more suitable hours.

More often than not the fairytale ending doesn't eventuate.


Jane 9 years ago

Well, darkside. If both the gel and the pills were selling at the same price, same quantity. Most people that I've asked would rather take it in gel form.


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

And I don't know many people who would buy 30 pills in a bottle for eighty bucks.


Jane 9 years ago

Say if they were both selling 100tablets/100gel packets, both at $40. Alot of people would probably pick the gel packet


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

They probably would.

But it isn't.


dumbfck 9 years ago

the problem is, jane, you think agel is selling 1 packet of gel at the price of 1 tablet??

you need to do more market research before telling ppl this, else you are making a fool of yourself.


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

I don't think Jane actually thinks they're the same price, but the big IF they were.

Which is an illogical illustration. Not sure what point is being proved. Except reinforcing my whole argument about The Cost.


Jane 9 years ago

Darkside, i totally agree with you on the cost.

and dumbfuk,you need to learn how to read English or get your eyes fixed, "else you are making a fool of yourself."


Tera 9 years ago

I can't find one single non-agel sponsored, user review of agel products.

See, I have spent the last day or so researching everything I can find on Agel, since my friends is about to part himself of a thousand dollars and wanted me to do the same.

Needless to say, my research led me to this page and hundreds more like it, debunking the selling aspect, showing how much money you actually have to spend to make money (yes, money can be made, eventually) but still, no product reviews.

I guess that says something right there eh?

A good link with people who made and didn't make money selling Agel: http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/14_806_0.html


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

Thanks for your feedback Tera.

I've skimmed through the link you gave me and there's interesting food for thought. VERY interesting. I'll have to have a thorough read of that when I've got a few hours to spare.


john 9 years ago

I don't give a damn about Agel's compensation plan or their MLM business; but I do care that I've gone from 23 prescriptions a day down to 6, and I'm terminal and my Doctors who are clueless think it's great that the natural ingredients in Agel have been such a great assistance in improving my quality of life for what ever time I have left. And as for the cost, when I look at the benefit who cares.


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

John, what exactly are you taking?


Jane 9 years ago

I guess he's saying that his health has benefited from Agel products, and that's wonderful. I'm glad to hear that. But the thing is that u can get better or the same ingredients for a much cheaper price with other products. Honestly, my guess would be it's about 8-10 times cheaper. For the multi vitamin a.k.a "MIN" it is 10 times cheaper, you can compare it to other comparable products.

But, as long as you're seeing improvement in your health and you're happy and comfortable, it's all good right?


Jane 9 years ago

and I wonder where all that money from selling the products x10 more goes to. It's probably much highier than their overhead right now.


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

Hey John, you wanna come back and explain a bit more? Or is this Agel rep hit and run propaganda?


Jane 9 years ago

Not to mention that Agel's seminars are scary. Everyone is smiling and going "I AM AGEL!" but they're not even making 1k in residual income from Agel, or the

"BUY THESE CDs IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL"

"ANYONE ELSE DON'T WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL?"

"EVERYONE THAT HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE CD's REMAIN STANDING"

The guy giving the speech was one of their diamond directors, quite popular in agel.

It was very pushy, and if you know almost 95% of people hate pushy people.

It's like they've been hypnotized or something. I've been there. But, the truth is I've also met some wonderful people from Agel that's not so crazy.


Da Truth 9 years ago

I AM AGEL!


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darkside 9 years ago from Australia Author

You are brainwashed.


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Mark Knowles 8 years ago

I can't imagine why anyone would need either of these products. And this sort of cost is insane - I guess people do buy Agel, but I think if you eat a reasonable diet, it's unnecessary. and da truth is at best insane, at worst not worth respondng to. I admire you for putting yourself out there on a topic like this - you are bound to come in for some flak. :D


Randy Gage 8 years ago

I AM AGEL TOO


Jane 8 years ago

Hello Mark, I have to totally agree with you.


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

The latest from the Church of Agel: "Choosing Success with Agel is the only answer."


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

Introducing the World’s FIRST and only skin care line based on Agel’s breakthrough Gel Suspension Technology: Gentle Daily Cleansing Gel, Refreshing Anti-oxidant Misting Gel, Revitalizing Gel Scrub, Intensive Anti-aging Gel Serum, Age-defying Eye Gel, Daily Moisturizing Gel, Nourishing Night Gel.

I'm thinking that these things are not meant to be swallowed.

Ah yes, and all this can be yours for only 300 bucks.


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

It's funny, because part of the earlier marketing propaganda was "No pills, no juices, no glasses, no ineffective sprays or creams".

Though it looks as if they removed the mention of "powders", so it must have been after they launched the L-Arginine Powder.


ageldude 8 years ago

my parents joined agel 5 montsh ago and they are making 5000 a month all ready, it all depends on your mind set. iam 13


Tag 8 years ago

It's just like any other business people...

All business have startup and overhead expenses. You'd easily spend more than $1000 if you were starting a new business from scratch and needed to have marketing materials, a website, and product packaging designed. Then you'd still need product samples produced. With Agel you get all that and a system that's been tested and proven to work already. It's simply a business-in-a-box, just like a franchise but without all the restrictions and royalties. Having to buy a few boxes of product per month so you have samples to give to new people is just a cost of doing business.

And just like other businesses, some succeed and some fail. There are people in Agel making over $30K a month and people who aren't even making .30 cents. Why? They all have the same products, the same company support and the same compensation plan right?

The one's that succeed are the one's that get off their butt and actually do something to change their lives. Most won't and that's why they fail. But that really has NOTHING to do with the company, it's products or the business model. It's all about what you do with it. So if you don't succeed at this or any other business, MLM or not, it's not because it's a scam, it's nobody's fault but yours...


Randy Gage 8 years ago

darkside are u poor?


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

Randy Gage, are you Randy Gage?


Randy Gage 8 years ago

Why did you start a discussion like this? Please close it.


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

Don't be silly Mr I-Like-To-Call-Myself-Randy-Gage.

This is a review. If you don't like it, move along.


Randy Gang 8 years ago

Reviews like this are affecting my business, and makes me lose money.


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

Good lord Mr Randy GANG.

Are you saying that facts and common sense are costing you money? Then perhaps you are in the wrong business.

Please, no more posts under the name of Randy. Mr Gage would know how to spell his own surname. All further posts under that name or alluding to that name will be deleted.


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

Tag, did you read the bit about "The Cost"?

Are you any good at math?

Maybe use a calculator.


P.H. 8 years ago

Note that Dr. Allen the doctor Agel was so pleased to be associated with is no longer the head of the Medical Advisory Board. They now have a person who actually has a verifiable professional degree and education. Dr. Allen was so pleased because Gel suspension technology from Agel was so much ahead of its time, however she is still selling the "powder" form of her L-Arginine supplement with the various unsubstantiated claims based on supposed research that she has done over 20 years, though none of it was published, kind of like any mention of her education which is still mostly a mystery. If Agel was so incredible, then why didn't they investigate her credentials and claims (that are contradicted by published L-Arginine research) BEFORE they got associated with her??? Their inability to discover this information (which is easily available) does not reflect well on a company who suggests their claims are based on "science" rather than "making money". Of course, just being an MLM reflects badly on that claim.


peiko 8 years ago

My friends, do you think these agel people that stupid to hire someone who doesn't even have an education ....(Dr. Allen)

whatever you say or whatever you think AGEL products are increadible, try to use them. once you've tried them ,you'll understand the difference between AGEL and regular vitamins. Cost worth it!!


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mrlewissmile 8 years ago

Someone tried to recruit me into this. I had a right go at them for talking only about making money. The products were secondary to the MONEY you could make by selling them.

To sum up the selling approach:

"Wow. The gels are mighty expensive""But you can easily earn that money back by 'recommending' agel to your friends and family"

Sucks for anyone investing $1000's into their agel business...


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darkside 8 years ago from Australia Author

That's exactly it. Everything takes back seat to "MAKE LOTS OF MONEY!". From my experience they did initially talk about the PRODUCT. But the whole retail side of it went out the window because they've pushed hard into signing up people, rather than selling to real customers.


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mrlewissmile 8 years ago

It's a clever name though. Agel, a gel, agile. Even looks like a fun product to eat/suck/slurp. But they have some serious problems...


reasonable person in LA 8 years ago

darkside,

I understand you don't care for MLM. The big guys get rich, the little guys get dinked. That's pretty much life on the planet.

Now a big difference in traditional business is that you get paid for your time, but unless you're a superstar or schtupping the boss's daughter, you're going to get COLA increases, and canned when the economy turns south. Ever tried selling your job or willing it to your family?

MLM can work. People do make money, some of them tons, some of them nice little monthly bumps. At one time, 9 out of 10 cars were electric. Then oil discovered in Texas came on the scene, and the internal combustion engine started getting attention. When automatic starters came online and a fueling infrastructure came into existence, they overwhelmed electric vehicles largely because of their superior range and ease of refueling. EVs are starting to fight their way back on the scene, but at one point in time, anyone who bet on gasoline would have been branded an idiot. MLM only appeared in this country in the 1950s, and Amway is still around, still thriving.

Many, many people fail at network marketing. It requires hard work, dedication, a thick skin and teeth grinding persistence. But if done properly, it can provide an independent and passive income.

I have to chuckle when I remember reading the critique of some Utah PhD who was ripping MLM as a scam and a faux business model. His big complaint was that "eventually the market is saturated" and the opportunity vanishes. He then made the point that MLM couldn't be as successful as its proponents claimed, because it only accounted for under 1% of economic activity in the U.S.

How is ANYTHING that accounts for less than 1% of the economic life of this country ever going to saturate the market and smother itself?

MLM can be a viable business model, but it requires a totally different mindset, a decided lack of risk aversion, incredible drive and an intense need to succeed.

Hey, maybe you could accomplish the same thing pushing a boulder up a hill. I just haven't seen anyone make any money doing that.

Aguel does have a unique and effective product. It's got a good comp plan. It doesn't impose a lot of requirements to be eligible for compensation. I bought into an existing distributor position that has 1.2 million units shipping monthly in one leg, and I'm building the other leg. Someone did that work, someone built that volume; and if you look at the downline map, you can see the bodies of those who "died or went into witness protection". Other people stepped up and the volume is real.

The fact is, few people are truly successful and those that are, without the benefit of nepotism, have or have developed the attributes and skillsets that allow them to excel.

I admire the fact that you, at least, have attempted to do the research. I guess we can agree to disagree.


Legand 8 years ago

Can we talk about the quality of the product? I purchased some agel min and ohm (about 40 packs of each) from someone who was getting out of the buisness and luckily I paid pennys on the dollar because I didn't notice any difference posative or negative between taking the agel or taking a pill multivitamin. As far as I'm concerned what works best for me are the liquid vitamins, I will say the agel taste much better than the liguid but as far as noticable benafits the liguid wins hands down


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Health Conscious 8 years ago from South Florida - USA

For the gentleman that was worried about things like this affecting their business do not worry. The individuals who have perceived knowledge of your business will never be turned so quit trying. Just make sure to pick the right product & company and make sure there are no hidden little secrets.

I am not familiar with the particular products the rest of you are referring to and will not spend the time to learn about them.

However darkside, your post seems to hold the belief that all nutritional products are the same, so everyone should go for the cheapest. You are not doing your body any favors by taking isolated or synthetic vitamins, they are either not recognized by the body or the body needs other co-factors to make use of them. This actually depletes the advantages of the whole foods you eat.

You use the argument that only research paid for by this company was used, they were stupid because there is (finally) plenty coming in from around the world to show this. Besides, where did you learn that multivitamins from the grocery store are just as good -- Did you actually see the research whoever you got this information from used. If so, you saw that it was paid for by the companies that sell them. This is the same with any product so it is really a hollow point. All research is paid for, which means that even non profits have to be supported, who do you think shells out the bucks.

You also remarked on the delivery system for the product. I believe it was comparing gel to pill - depends on how and with what they are made of.

The way the body breaks down that which is ingested has a large impact on the amount that has a chance to be absorbed.

The wisest choice is to either make raw, live whole foods, ie fruits, vegetables, nuts, sprouts and greens straight off the plant, the largest part of your diet or find the best supplement on the market especially if the price is great.

The answer I know is coming - Yes

Not on Hubpages - This is an avenue for information

Ps I do have an email address ;-)

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thedarkersideoftwighlight 8 years ago

hi dark', as I mentioned to someone via email, who seems to be just getting into the Agel biz (or maybe is already knee-deep in it?), capitalism appears like a bit of a glorified pyramid scheme anyway, so it's somewhat unsurprising that the likes of Agel would seem that way.

BTW; when you eat a fruit or veggie, the leftovers are bio-degradeable... Perhaps the same can be said of Agel packaging?

In any case, I'd hate to one day arrive at a point where we all become dependent on private corporate farms, et al., for our "food". ;D

That said, for fun context, here's a plug for steady state economics.

http://www.steadystate.org/


paola 7 years ago

I've also been recently contacted by an agel rep. I was tricked into believing I was going to a job interview... what a waste of time for me and the people that came along. We were pitched a 2 hour excruciating speech, by a guy that I feel so sorry for.

About the affiliation of Dr. Allen with agel, this can be found on her website:

Dr. Ann de Wees Allen is not associated with Agel in any manner, nor are any of her Patented products licensed to Agel, including L-Arginine. Any illegal use of Dr. Allen's name and/or L-Arginine Patents and research is prohibited and will be prosecuted under the law, including Trademark Infringement and Fraud. Any use of Dr. Allen's name and/or Trademarks and/or data is prohibited from use BY ANY AGEL DISTRIBUTOR without exception. Dr. Allen's attorneys, Connelly Roberts & McGivney, Chicago, IL, are alerted to these violations, and will take rapid action against any Agel distributor (personally) illegally using said Trademarks and data.

Agel is a scam, no company charges 1000 dls to any emploee before they can even work. CHARGES I said! That's so illogical. They also have a way of making facebook pages and groups and whenever somebody speaks out and shares his or her equally valid opinion.. yep, you guessed it: those posts get misterously deleted.

Glad I found this webpage though. Don't fall for the Agel scam. Have a little brain.


LOL 7 years ago

Yes it must be a scam since they CHARGE you to start your own business! of course!

I mean, anyone could go right now and open an mcdonalds for free, right?! Or do they charge you also to start a mcdonalds?!

Brilliant said paola!

Have you ever looked into starting your own business?

I guess you want to do it for free right? Paola your attitude is: Why invest any money to do money? Why should You invest in your own business? I rather take a regular job, so I can be safe and get paid for the hours I work.

Guess what.. an delayed reward could be so much greater, but you got to be strong as a person and actually have a dream, which most people do NOT, but those who has, they go for it and take a look at the most successful people in the world, EVERYONE had a dream!

And for those that says the phrase "the people that listen to cd´s and read books will succeed" and say that is a sale trick..

well guess what..it is NOT.. it is a way to keep people motivated, because the mlm business is hard, and you need to push yourself to succeed, too many people fail in the business because of their lack of knowledge! BTW the biggest athletes in the world listen to self-development cd´s and so on to keep them on top!

You got to educate yourself to become good at it, no matter what it is!

An example is: Tell someone in africa that you can walk on water. Do you think they will believe you? probably not, but you know you can because you have seen ice..

If you are a regular employee, I can understand that you feel this way because you are not thought to think free, you think what your boss tells you to think.

And you probably wanted to educate yourself in the company you work with but... who should pay for your education? well as an employee You want your boss to pay for Your education and you do not care if it costs him/her $10,000 because You think it is worth it, but You would probably not even pay $200 for the same course if YOU had to pay for it!

And for those who claims that mlm is a scam and a pyramid...

Take a GOOOOOOD look in Your company today if You are an employee. You got 1 boss, your boss got 3-4 or more people under him/her, they probably got some secretaries and so on, and then there is You, that my friends is a pyramid!

+ MLM allows people to climb all the way to the top, which a regular company do NOT do..

The future business building are going in to network marketing.. if you want to be a part of it, that is great! If you want a "safe" job, that you´ll probably lose the next financial crisis, well stay at your job and work for the next 20-40 years of your life and complain every day how bad it is

The quitters never win, and the winners NEVER quit!!


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darkside 7 years ago from Australia Author

And 90% of MLMers never win.


Roger 6 years ago

95% of ANYONE in business never wins!!!!

MLM is no different then any business.. it has the same failure rate as any other business in the world.. Does that make ALL businesses scams? Atleast in MLM your investment is small... but there in lies the problem... People join mlm and somehow expect to make Big money over night.. What a screwed up view.. if you want to make money in business whether it is MLM or otherwise YOU HAVE TO WORK and Work HARD!! What other business can you start for $1,000 or much less and have unlimited earnings?? IS Corporate America a safer place to be.... It's all crashing down.. look at the economy!! What are you going to do..? Pensions are a thing of the past.... People are losing everything in there Retirement plans, 401k's and Mutual funds... What Else Can You Do???

Professional Network Marketing is not about scamming someone!! Some of the biggest breakthroughs in technology have come from the MLM Industry.. there are now 12 'BILLION' Dollar per Year Companies in MLM.. When will you realize MLM is not a scam!! Are you going to be the last one who finally figures it out..? MLM represents 'Real Businesses' with 'Real Products' who happen to pay the distributors instead of spending Millions on Commercials... If you failed in the past which I am assuming you must have to even have an opinion.. then get over it!!! That means YOU FAILED.. not the company.. and not the Industry!!


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darkside 6 years ago from Australia Author

You say two things here: "People join mlm and somehow expect to make Big money over night.. What a screwed up view.. if you want to make money in business whether it is MLM or otherwise YOU HAVE TO WORK and Work HARD!" and "Professional Network Marketing is not about scamming someone!"

However, there are far too many times that the sales pitch that network marketers use is "This requires no effort at all! It sells itself!"

And Roger, do you have anything to add discussion/debate about whether Agel vs Pills? Or are you here to wave the MLM banner? Because if all you want to do is argue in favor of MLMs I suggest you head along to http://hubpages.com/business/scam-2


andrei p 6 years ago

Look at the so called experts in wellness industry , to be honest most of them are clueless on the subject of nutrition perse, beside the adamant fact that their product has fast absorbtion and you can substitute your daily intake of fruit for some gel "suspension tehnology", in my opinion MLM warpes the fragile mind's of the innocent and the ignorant. I would never buy a suspicious product like that from a "nutritional expert" who has the physical appearance of a brute and a tatterdermalion .


Confused 6 years ago

Dear God! I'm so glad I found this site. My research into Agel keeps coming back with distributor sites that give little or no real information. But this ... this is magical. The sour taste in some of the mouths that have posted on here show a failure mentality and (most likely) a previous failure in MLM.

Having looked at about 6 different MLM businesses in the last 3 months (everything from skin-care to water ionizers) I have no more knowledge than I did in November.

I've never been in an MLM business. It looks like it's tough. Recruiting like they do would take a hell of a lot of determination and perseverance. But I was determined at, and persevered with, my business before I went bust with almost a million dollars of debt and personal guarantees coming out of my ears. Now if anyone here can offer a real alternative to help me get out of my situation I'd love to hear it. But I have a feeling this particular discussion may be more for the clueless and unmotivated (or those who spend their lives sharing "information" on the internet).

If anyone has any real experience of Agel I'd love to hear it. But if you're one of the thousands who joined and then decided that it was TOO HARD, please don't reply. I've already found enough victim sites out there. I'm keen to hear from anyone who had the tenacity to make it work but found they just - for whatever reason - couldn't. Thanks


ssenator00 6 years ago

hey Confused how are you? I am working with Agel, I am pretty new, I keep on trying, and I am learning all about MLM. If you want you can contact me, I will be more then happy to explain how it works, and to tell you all the truth and nothing but the truth regarding the MLM business after 1 year of experience. If you want just tell me how we can get in touch. Good luck! Gus


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Fluffymetal 6 years ago from Texas

Great information for people to know. Rated up!


star 6 years ago

agel, what can i say about agel. I was low on money and trying so hard to get out of a rut in my life. a preacher of all people conned me. I do not talk about it alot because I felt so hurt that a pastor of all people would do this to me. I did try very hard to do what agel promises, but I can not lie to people. I am an honest person. It is really sad when you have a preacher who claims to be a man of God scamming people. I would tell anyone who is thinking about joining agel DON'T....... It is only for people who know how to cheat and lie..... thank-you for taking the time to read what I have said


Eric Y 6 years ago

Guess what?, the product recently entered my country ,Guatemala, Central America. And they are selling 4 boxes of 30units for US329 including the membership.


gerald  6 years ago

broke people has broke mentality that produce broke conversations. its very clear that people on this blog is not busy with wealth building , but they are living in fear and the little peanut they have they do not have the knowlegde how to multiply it this is a dumb blog


Nick 6 years ago

If you want something u work at it, make the sacrifices, most people get the wrong concept of MLM. Its still a business people and business means - Overhead cost + Risk. I can see where dark is goin in the conversation, lots of ppl dont make it even though their in an MLM business. Instead of asking your upline what do u need to do, ask them what do you need to sacrifice.


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darkside 6 years ago from Australia Author

Yet the way they get in people to sign up isn't about how much you have to sacrifice, they tell you you can do it and make a lot of money from just a few hours a week.

So what's it going to be?

Obviously the "it's so easy!" line is to bait the hook and get people in and then once in they turn up the heat and tell people its a risky business and you have to sacrifice more time and money to make it work.

MLM Business Plan = Scams built on lies.


thomaspaylor 6 years ago

Hey, ive just written my first hub about Agel, please take the time to check it out, love this hub by the way


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darkside 6 years ago from Australia Author

Thanks Thomas. I read it and this bit particularly stood out for me:

"For most people who get hooked on the Agel dream, it becomes a nightmare. Unless you treat it as a full time job, and be prepared to work extra long hours..."

That's what it's all about. Step 1) Tell people how easy it is and that it takes only a few hours a week, Step 2) Once they've paid to get in and pay more to stay on reveal the fact that it takes a LOT of long hours to 'make it work'.

Even then, you can put in the long hours and hard work and go to all the meetings, and the drop out rate is phenomenal.

And for anyone who wishes to argue with that last sentence with lame lines such as "If you want something u work at it, make the sacrifices" you need to go back to my first step, where they get you to sign up based on how easy it is and how little time you need to invest to get onto easy street.


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lakeerieartists 6 years ago from Cleveland, OH

Hi Darkside, I have some friends who have been doing Agel for a few years, but I really don't have a clue if they are making money from it. I tried the product, but didn't like the gel. Frankly it is similar to other MLM's which usually are based on signing people up, and I just am not into doing that.

I just think most people do not win in the MLM industry.


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darkside 6 years ago from Australia Author

Hi ya Lakeerieartists,

If they were cheaper, and they actually made an effort to sell to the public (rather than concentrate on building a downline) it could be a winner.

The fact is, the taste ain't great (no matter how much they tell you the Fit tastes like lemon meringue my taste buds wasn't buying it) and it really is hideously expensive.

A balanced diet is a good thing and if you need to supplement it with vitamins and minerals then buy them as a tablet. As little as 1/10th of the price and lasts 3 times longer.

Bottom line is, the MLM system is flawed. Or to give the short story: MLMs suck.

And we've both been around long enough to know that much easier money can be made by simply publishing things that interests us online.


Steve S 5 years ago

Hi,

I am from the UK. I work in the medical field and was introduced to Agel by one of those "how would you like to make some money" type conversations (which Brits detest!)

As I knew the guy and he was in the medical field I listened to everything he had to say.

I have a number of business interests. I followed Agel, read all the scam reports and disgruntled complaints and attacks about MLM in general.

I do not see that I am going to retire in the next 5 years with Agel. Sure there are big mindset things, but my reality is that if in my spare time I can build something up over the next 5 or 10 years with some consistent effort and have a $2k in income, that is pretty good. My goal is higher but most people would be very happy with that.

I think people have to be clear about their expectations. Reading the disgruntled reports, everybody expects to be driving personalised Dodge Vipers within 6 months. Life doesn't happen like that.

Slowly but surely and with consistent effort you can achieve a nice residual.

If you were to invest in property, how many appartments or houses would you need to own to get even $1,000 a month NET, let alone anything more(assuming the value of that property wasn't going down like a stone?). Not many. So I look at Agel as something that can contribute to my future expenses, I have three daughters!.

As far as the products. It took me 18 months to join. When I first heard about Agel I asked if there was a product for joints. At the time, there wasn't. I wasn't so interested in the other products, but I do have an interest in arthritis and joint health.

In response to some of the posts, sure, you can eat 5 portions of fruit a day, you can grind up vitamins into a paste etc etc. But do you?? If you do, great, but most people don't. Those people who know they don't get all the nutrients they want can choose to consume the product. If they don't like the taste, well they don't have to consume more, or they may choose to live with the taste if they want to have the ingredients.

My interest was in the joint health and the FLX product got my attention. It has 1,500mg glucosamine sulphate, 1,200mg Chondroitin, 400mg MSM. You can research these products and understand the benefits for joint health.

There is some conflicting evidence and if you look at research papers, you will see that some hypotheses about these substances are not fully proven, but there is more than enough to show the benefits.

In my own case I injured my knee last year. Physiotherapy did nothing and I started taking FLX. At the end of the week I noticed that my joints were not cracking (paying for a past playing rugby) and my knee pain went.

Placebo some might argue, but I don't think so.

I checked with other people and learnt of many similar experiences.

If you go to your pharmacy, look at the joint formulas and see how many pills you need to take to get the quantity of active ingredients - lots. Then consider that gel allows for better bioavailability and it is reasonable to hypothesise that you will get more of these ingredients via a gel than tablets and in the recommended doses.

Sure there isn't a double blind randomised controlled trial demonstrating a measured increase in absorption of the ingredients in Agel compared to pills, but the principles all stack up.

Studies have measured low absorption rates from pills and athlets take gel based products to accelerate absorption for improved energy and endurance. Not quite Q.E.D, but good enough for me.

I have never stuck with tablets, but now, whenever I exercice (fighting the ageing process having just turned 40) I take FLX.

It's taste is ok, I enjoy taking it, it is convenient and I am confident it is doing me good. I think many baby boomers will like it too.

I also take EXO, not daily but I take it when I feel I haven't been getting enough fruit and veg, most people's diets are totally devoid of anti-oxidants so it makes sense to get them in a form that helps you.

A final word on the price. The price is more than you pay for tablets, but the product is different and people have to earn a living. Therefore that is built into the margin structure.

The people at the top do make the most money but the opportunity is there for everyone to achieve a good income. Is there a successful company where the top people aren't the highest pain.

There is a premium for the convenience and quality which ensures I at least get the supplements to my diet I choose. I am comfortable with that. That confidence makes me choose Agel and as a team member, it also makes me loyal to the product and happy to share with others. But my message is the product first then the business.

I would say, if you are prepared to put in consistent work, you will build an income progressively, it is proven.

But, if you charge out of the gate and run into a brick wall and are frustrated that you aren't driving a ferrari or something, you need to revise your expectations from the outset. That way you won't give up or if you are after the ferrari with no effort, look for another opportunity.

I don't spend much time on forums and am not seeking to recruit anyone from this post. I won't be able to reply.

I hope this gives a balanced view from someone on the inside.


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darkside 5 years ago from Australia Author

Steve S, not "low absorption", it's "slower absorption". For me that's not a problem.

I take Fish Oil capsules and Glucosamine for my joints, and mind you I had been on anti-inflammatories due to an injured shoulder, and when I wasn't on the anti-inflammatories I was in immense pain. I don't have that pain now that I'm on the Fish Oil and Glucosamine. It's natural, it's better for me, and what amounts to a three month supply has cost me less than $40.

How much is it for a box of FLX? And how long does that box last?


Jane Doe 5 years ago

I'm more concerned about what all is IN the Agel products. There is a woman in the building where I work who is pushing the EXO on people, but she apparently knows nothing about the contents of the product or any possible adverse reactions allergic individuals may have. The products - or at least her "samples" are not labeled with any ingredient content, which really worries me. All she can do is quote the sales pitch and talk about how great it is - something that really turns me off toward an unknown product.

She finally strong-armed a few of us into trying the EXO by shoving it into our hands and standing over us like a vulture and barking at us like a rabid dog until we tried it. It was easily the grossest thing I've ever had and I felt sick all week after just one sample. We're talking severe indigestion and constant migraines.

Bottom line, there is no way you could PAY me to take or sell this stuff.


RubRubRub 5 years ago

The MLM system is simply unsustainable. weak product, lousy price and below average marketing system. http://ezinearticles.com/?Agel-Review---What-Most-...


Fhaiyakup Dunlop 5 years ago

many people still look at MLM. same as ballshit business, to me MLM. its a future of business that people will know will learn , so people they don't know what are they wrong? NO they just thing this earth still flat, so they don't want to walk to far to go to far coz they scare to fall down from the earth.....and me i took supplements since last 17 years ago, so sorry that medical doctor never get my money from major sick at all, but right now we have agel gel suspension i can take even i drove a car, my dad can't even walk to upstair after he is 75 years of age and now he is 76 after he take agel FLX now for 7 months continous he can walk to see his land on the hill that is 130 meter above sea level.............i am agel and i love every one who still in the cape


I am Agel for life 5 years ago

Darkside, are you SICK? take agel UMI for a pack you will get better very quick just in a minute, also your will be wealth and out from employee.......for life


Amanda Carroll 4 years ago

My husband is an avid ice hockey player, but the joint pain in his hands and back were making it hard to continue to play. He tried the FLX for one week and had 50% reduction in pain. After a month he had no pain. We've had similar results with many of Agel's products and so have our friends and family. We joined the company after we saw the results of the products. It's easy for us to promote products we know work. Also, you can find the ingredient list on the box the packs come in, or online at www.agel.com


kelly kc 3 years ago

GREAT post Darkside. And your rebuttals as well. WELL DONE!


kjnstar 2 years ago

I find the products are good, but the customer service is really bad. Twice I have placed an order where my order was shipped to the wrong address. Address is correct in my profile, but incorrect when they transferred it to FedEx. So the product order went to the wrong city one time and with no apt number, disappeared again the second time. The customer service phone line is only active on weekdays during business hours in Mountain Time, so you can't even call them. I gave them 2 tries. No more Agel for me, even though the product is pretty good.


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darkside 2 years ago from Australia Author

Thanks for your input kjnstar.

If you need mineral and nutritional supplements, go to your local chemist. A fraction of the price, no concerns about delivery (as you're picking it up yourself) and customer service guaranteed, as you can tell them to their face they suck if they do indeed suck, and threaten them by telling them that you'll take your business elsewhere.

It's been a while since I've commented on here. I wonder if any of our Agel supporters from years past are still living the dream (though I'm sure they were all pretending to be living the fantasy).


Karl Weiss 10 months ago

Darkside, I also take Fish Oil capsules and Glucosamine. Sometimes the best deals are available online, but I often get them at my local pharmacy as well.

I'm sure those supporters are still day-dreaming and living the dream. There must be an army of pretenders. An army of brain-washed people who maxed out all of their credit cards. Actually it's very sad. It breaks up the families.


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darkside 6 months ago from Australia Author

Does Agel even still exist? I haven't bothered checking. I know that I haven't heard it mentioned by anyone in years now.

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