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Natural Healing or Chemotherapy for Cancer?

  1. JenkinsSmith profile image60
    JenkinsSmithposted 3 years ago

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    There are almost as many different types of cancer as there are people. No two are alike, so not one treatment is going to work for all cases.

    1. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Depends on whether you wish to live or not.  While neither gives any guarantees at all, the success rate is a wee bit higher for chemotherapy/radiation than for herbs in curing the same cancers.

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        Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If chemo cured you of cancer, you probably didn't have cancer smile It and radiation are at about 2%, with chance of re-occurance definitely on the horizon. I see you didn't mention surgery. If they don't cut out every cancerous cell, bank on it coming back. One most think of the cells being transported thru the body with the blood during surgery. Cancer being an acidic condition in the body, you're going to fight it with pharmacueticals which are acid? Like taking poison for an antidote of another poison. You might have a better chance of correcting the condition by combining the 2 methods. Of course along with the proper nutrition. But God forbid right?

        1. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Absolutely surgery is a viable option, it just wasn't mentioned in the OP or title.  Surgery coupled with chemo and/or radiation is probably the best bet where possible.

    2. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      First step, do what the scientific literature and clinical experience show is most likely to save you life
      Second step: use any and all complimentary therapies you like ensuring all your care providers know about all of your treatments.

      I have lost a close friend to cancer because she chose iridology over chemo with a type of cancer that is highly treatable with chemo.  So I am extremely scathing about the idea that natural therapies replace conventional ones where the conventional ones are proven to work and the natural ones are not.

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        Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I must be misunderstanding what you have said. Iridology is purely a diagnostic tool, not a treatment.

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          He described himself as an Iridologist, so take that discussion up with him.

    3. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "Many people with cancer are interested in trying anything that may help them, including complementary and alternative cancer treatments. If cancer makes you feel as if you have little control over your health, alternative cancer treatments may offer some feeling of control. But many alternative cancer treatments are unproved and many are even dangerous."

      http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cancer … nt/CM00002

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        Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        smile

    4. MelissaBarrett profile image61
      MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I would personally like to take everybody who advocates such nonsense and turn them over to the families of the people who have died from taking their advice.

      You see such people posting that an herbal tea can cure cancer or that drinking lemon juice can cure herpes etc.

      There is absolutely no herbal remedy known to man that can cure any type of cancer... unless you consider death a cure... which is surely what will happen if someone takes Amazonian Crocodile Dung for the treatment of lung cancer or Norwegian Pelican Piss to treat prostate cancer.

      Look up Harry Hoxley for a good example of what happens when idiots decide they can treat any kind of cancer with herbal remedies. He decided to set up a clinic in Mexico to treat skin cancer with herbal remedies. His patients, hundreds of them, paid him thousands of dollars to die or become horribly disfigured (or both) while he treated a cancer with an almost 100 percent cure rate with an herbal remedy made from the plants he saw a horse eat and arsenic.

      If he wouldn't have died from cancer himself (irony) then I would have suggested hanging.

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        Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Look up Gershon. One for one. And you might die if you took any of those and you were in 'perfect' health. Hoxley? How many died from Pastuer's germ theory? One of the so-called founders of modern medicine. What about that famous oil sludge another founder of modern medicine sold to any and all, named Rockefeller. It's not hard to find someone in any arena a 'little' off the beaten path. Yes, what I'm talking about is Folk Medicine or Natural Medicine. I know it to be valid and know it can be relied on. If you don't believe in it, at least don't persecute it, you may need it some day.And I'm saying this from first hand experience, my own and others. People come this way every day who have been to their drs. with no satisfaction, insurance won't pay any more, used up their life savings and now come looking and asking for miracles, and with no money. They didn't want to hear it when we first made contact. I gave them my card and tell them to call when they are ready to get well. And they do, many after the system has drained them of there finances. Now I believe in modern medicine as far as emergency, crisis, trauma medicine, setting a broken bone, prosthetics. Where would we be without them? That's what they are geared up for. But as far as treating disease... And I recall you saying the same thing, remember? We work with medical doctors on a regular basis with much success. Thank you Dr.Oz. Business is picking up smile

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I did a one year apprenticeship in Native medicine with a teacher of herbal medicine with the University of Pennsylvania and a six month study with a practicing Chinese herbalist/nutritional consultant in Southern Pennsylvania. (both members of the American Herbalist Guild) I am considered a lay-herbalist and would gladly take the testing to become licensed in my state... if my state had such licensing.

          Herbs can do a lot of things, but they CANNOT CURE CANCER. If that is what you are saying they can do, you are leading people to their deaths.

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            Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Along with clean water, proper diet (nutrition), detoxification (cleansing of the blood, liver, bowel, and lymphatic), oxygenation, rest, exercise, bringing ones Ph in balance, herbs will and have done the trick. Herbs will provide not only the needed nutrients (you won't get them from todays food) but various chemicals in them needed to combat effectively cancer and any other disease. To cure any disease you must begin at the cellular level. Specific nutrient and phytonutrient deficiency (causing cellular starvation and subsequent DNA damage) is the primary factor involving premature aging and degenerative disease. Specific nutrients, phytonutrients, and co-factors in adequate amounts are the prevention and cure to premature aging and most existing diseases. An oxygen-rich, alkaline, extracellular environment  and the maintenace of the optimum biological terrain is an environment in which disease cannot thrive. Profit based synthetic drugs or compounds, and synthetic or artificial substances are not what the human body is designed to receive( we are designed to receive herbs which are plant food). The overwhelming majority of these substances cause short and long term cellular damage to varying degrees, without addressing root causes of disease. The most important thing to remember about fighting And preventing aging and disease through nutritional cellular support is that it should be done consistently, everyday. Obviously, eating good food, swallowing a few capsules, or taking some nutrient powder with juice is a small price to pay for quality-of-life (if you don't pay attention to your health now, it will get your attention later. one of our slogans smile) and longevity. More good news, depending on your present and ongoing level of health, is that over time, you may be able to taper off the quantity ingested and still receive adequate cellular support.

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
              MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Gee, you make dying sound so pleasant and wholesome.

              Seriously, how can you sleep at night?

              Last word to anyone who might be reading this...

              If you have cancer, go to an oncologist. Anyone who is offering to cure your cancer with herbs is deluded at best and a con-man at worst. The is exactly ONE credentialed professional organization in the United States that can verify that your herbalist isn't a quack. That's the American Herbalist Guild. No member of the AHG would ever, EVER claim that herbs can cure any type of cancer. No trained/reputable herbalist would say that any herb could CURE anything.

              Remember that most states, including my own, have absolutely no licensing requirements and anyone can claim to be a herbal healer/herbalist/etc. with absolutely no formal training or education. In addition, herbal medicine is not regulated by ANY governing board. Most claims are completely unsubstantiated, untested and completely unreliable.

              Natural medicines are not fairy dust. You cannot sprinkle them in your tea and get cured.

              Yes, I do believe that there are some herbs that are beneficial and can help with the side effects of cancer treatment and even some that can help with the symptoms of cancer... However there is no herb that we currently have knowledge of that can shrink a tumor let alone remove it completely.

              If you have been diagnosed with cancer, you will die if you rely on herbal/natural medicines. No matter how many quasi-scientific pretty words the hucksters throw at you.

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                Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I guess we could go on and on about this to no avail. The decision will be that of the one in that situation. But with a 2% survival rate I would think/hope they would seek as much info as they could. I never said and never would tell anyone not to seek medical advice. You don't have to, that speaks for itself  smile. We have never told anyone to stop taking their medication(s) You don't have to. that speaks for itself also smile. I'm merely saying it might be wise to think about incorporating treatments. It CAN get to be too late. Anyway, you have my card. If I can't help you, I know someone who more than likely can. BTW  I am a Master Herbalist (16+yrs) from the Mich. Inst. of Natural Health and The School of Natural Healing and a registered nutritionist.

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  What is the comparable (same type of cancer) survival rate if one does NOT see a doctor after original diagnosis but depends on herbs and good living?

                  Because we all know that the survival rate for any person or group of persons is 0%.  We all die.  Good cancer treatment usually prolongs life beyond what it would be without treatment, but we still all die.

                  So what is the survival rate of using herbs for the same cancer you are quoting a 2% survival rate for?  And what cancer is that?

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                    Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Has I stated to Melissa, we would have not and would not someone not to seek the council of a physician. We would never or have not expressed to anyone not to take their medication(s). The survival rate for cancer of someone receiving natural methods only? Your guess is as good as mine. I have only come in contact with one person who had natural treatments only and he claimed to have overcome cancer 3 times. He had no formal training in herbs but said he was self taught. We ran into him at the health food store and he handed us a flyer telling of his coming seminar. We knew nothing about him or of his being self taught and decided to go and see what he had to offer. He had a well put together presentation, great sellsmanship, though none of his group (he was a retired electrician, one member was a lawyer, one a nutritian and I forget what his son was) had any herbal knowledge. But if you had any reasonable amount of knowledge of the matter, you knew they didn't know what they were talking about. This was 5yrs ago and he just died of cancer. He was in his late 60's. Other than that, every person with cancer we have come in contact with has had chemo or radiation treatments and still had cancer. I'm not about to compromise myself to try and prove a point. Sure we all will die (well that according to your beliefs, all won't die). The 2% I use comes from statistics stated in a study published by the Journal of Clinical Oncolgy. It states: the results- the overall contribution of curative  and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5 yr survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the U.S. Conclusion: As the 5yr relative survival rate for cancer in Australia is now over 6%, it is clear that cytotoxic chemo only makes a minor contribution to cancer survival. To justify the continued funding and availability of drugs used in cytotoxic chemo, a rigorous evaluation of the cost-effectiveness and impact on quality of life is urgently required." You would be hard pressed to find anything still being touted as your best shot at a cure with an average success rate of just over 2%, which chemo has, if it wasn't for the fact that big profits were driving the recommendation (200billion/yr). For stage 4 cancer the rate is less than half of 1%. Fundamentally chemo rarely works. Worse some drug treatments (not a drug, but especially surgery) also promotes the spread of cancer. But somehow the rationale to avoid these agents because they might promote cancer does not apply when it comes to drugs. Now what is the rate for natural healing after all else has failed? If I told you someone can go 7 out of 10 and the 3 who don't make it don't have the discipline to follow the program you wouldn't believe it would you? And to top it off, the majority are stage 3&4. Wow, what an imagination right? Or you (some) might say, an outright lie smile. You may never know

                2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                  MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  *Grins* I am quite aware of the reputation of the Institute of Natural Health and it's affiliates.

                  http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/dir … ral-health

                  For those who aren't... Here's the facebook page. There's no real website, it's ran by affiliates (unaccredited) in different areas.

                  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Michigan … 7810141684

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                    Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    It's about validation. An you are absolutely right. You can grow cancer and probably any disease correcting herb in your backyard. Dandelions work wonders, great for bladder and kidney disorders so does plantain, draws out foreign objects, excellent blood poisoning and herpes remedy. (they are in just about everyone's lawn). Weeds Monsanto would have you kill. Lapacho, it's chemistry is quite well known to the scientific world. Dr. Frederick Koch, M.D. used substances from the tree bark of the Lapcho tree called quinine during the 1930's in Detroit,Mi. with astonshing results to cure even advanced cases of cancer (rarely if ever see a heroin addict with cancer, or colds, for that matter). He especially used a single quinine, which he described as oxidizing or burning up the encapsulated pockets of stagnant cancer-causing cells. Lapacho has solved anemia, leukemia, cancer of all types, lupus, inflammation of the reproductive organs, Hodgkin's disease, Parkinson's, colitis, no need to go on. Whole Apricot, Dr.Ernest J. Krebs. a noted authority on cancer has often stated that if a person eats 6-12  apricot kernels/day, they will never have to worry about cancer. He recommends peach or cherry kernels, as well. Contained within these kernels is a very small amount of a substance called nitriloside amygdaline (laetrile, vit. B17). It goes directly to a cancer cell, stings it, and kills it. This is especially true of gladular cancers, such as the prostate and other glands. There are 40-50 different herbs for cancer. All one needs to do, is be specific.  In the 40's they had used massive doses of vit. c and had wonderous success of curing cancer.  Now I wonder why they would squash all this information and let millions die? And millions more will die. Yeah I know Melissa, herbs can't cure cancer smile " My people parish for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6.  Of course let's not forget to add the Disclaimer; This Information not intended to be a substitute for medical advice by a licensed physician. Consult a physician regularly in all matters relating to medical problems, especially in matters of diagnosing, treating or curing diseases or other physical or mental conditions. But what of The School of Natural Healing College of Herbal Studies? I wouldn't sell you short, please don't do it to me smile It's my Sabbath, but I feel I am doing well by someone, See you folks later today. Shalum

            2. psycheskinner profile image80
              psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              To cure a condition you need to use something proven to cure that condition.   End of story.

              If a person discourages another person from using a proven treatment in my book they are a murderer.

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      Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Throughout the years there have been those who have used natural healing methods with huge success to correct the illness of cancer. Go to documentary .com and see how big pharm goes to great lengths to squash any and every one of them. There are people out here who can HELP you overcome these physical conditions.  No money in the cure of cancer or any disease. They can't patent the herbs. They know they work. Are they even interested in prevention, which is the best cure? Millions have died and millions more will. People had better wake up. It could be your turn next. Not trying to scare you. Well, maybe just frighten you a little.

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
        MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, I've heard they are doing wonderful things with herbal cures for gun-shot wounds to the head as well. So I urge everyone who has been shot in the head to avoid a doctor and drink some chamomile tea.

        Telling people to forgo mainstream medical treatment in favor of alternative medicine in the treatment of any life-threatening disease is irresponsible. No responsible herbalist or holistic medicine practitioner would advise it.

        If you rely completely on herbal medicine to treat cancer you WILL die. Period.

        I AM trying to scare you... because obviously you need a reality check.

      2. psycheskinner profile image80
        psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If by "suppress" you mean not give FDA approval to anything that has not been demonstrated to work in clinical trails -- good on them, suppress away.

        1. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          But...but...doesn't that mean that people can't make false claims about their herbal cures, gaining more customers and more money?  That if you can't PROVE an herb works to heal cancer (double blind studies with hundreds of patients instead of just giving it to your sister) that you can't claim it does?

          But then herbalists can't become rich if they can't lie about their cures...

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            Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            But many drs. become rich and they do the 'same'.  Actually they do more, they add to the problem. You guys all sound as if you are on the payroll smile. Big Pharm as a lot of muscle.

    6. Rod Rainey profile image81
      Rod Raineyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I have had many friends and family members claimed by cancer. All of them tried to fight it with chemo and spent the last moments of their lives sick, tired and miserable. My co-worker's dad had penile cancer, had his penis amputated went through chemo and still passed away. Talk about regrets. I am no doctor, but I can't say I wouldn't seek alternatives or at least compliments to chemo after what I've been through.

      I've been hearing a lot about cannabis oil, but never known anyone who's tried it. Also read that a vegan diet can do wonders and that if your pH is balanced you can't get cancer, but again, I don't personally know a true vegan or pH balanced  success story. I keep meaning to pee on some litmus paper. (adding to list now)

      But seriously, if there are other ways to fight it it would be pretty sick and down right evil to squelch it.

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        Robertr04posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        But sadly this is the case.

  2. JenkinsSmith profile image60
    JenkinsSmithposted 3 years ago

    Hi everyone, thank you very much for all the great answers I got from the question. It is much appreciated. I just would like to ask what if a patient don't have enough money and cannot afford for chemotherapy, does it mean that the patient just need to wait for his/her time? I believe that prayer is the greatest thing to do during this stage where life and death is matter

    1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
      MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      As horrible as it is, if a person doesn't have money to pay for cancer treatments and doesn't have the ability to get charity care... they die. Them being poor doesn't mean that herbal treatments work.

      The herbal treatments that the other poster is talking about aren't really herbal treatments anyway... they are "herbal pills" and "herbal powders"

      If you live in North American most of the herbs that could help with nausea, appetite, fatigue, pain etc can be grown in your garden, on a window sill, or even be picked on a walk in the woods.

      No money required. They also would be more effective than drying them, grinding them up, mixing them with a bonding agent and likely yeast storing them for months until someone orders them and then finally ingesting them when they are so inert that couldn't do anything for you anyway.

  3. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago

    People with cancer should use treatments proven to be effective in clinical trials.

    If they want to also use other treatment not so proven, that is fine.

    That is all there is to it.  Any natural practitioner who advises against the use effective conventional medicine for diseases should be ashamed of themselves.

  4. freefogging profile image85
    freefoggingposted 3 years ago

    I, being a nurse, would opt for chemo or radiation...herbs and alternative treatments have not been proven to kill cancer cells as chemo has.

 
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