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What do you call Christmas without Christ?

  1. Bianu profile image60
    Bianuposted 6 years ago

    With all the de-emphasizing of the reason for the season, what do you call a christmas with no celebration or memorial of  Jesus Christ?
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    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Shopping at Walmart!

      1. lovelypaper profile image68
        lovelypaperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sadly, that's all it is anymore.

    2. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Xmas...smile:
      Qwark

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Xmas isn't really Christmas without Christ. The X stands for Χριστός, the Greek word for Christ.

        1. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It stands for "X" him out for me...
          Qwark

          1. lovelypaper profile image68
            lovelypaperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You do know that Jesus is the only way to Heaven and you can't get in by being "good"?

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              prove it!posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Jesus is the only way to get into Jesus' Heaven.

              Qwark obviously doesn't want to buy a time share in Jesus' heaven. Maybe he's got other ideas.... a condo in Nirvana? A bungalow in Jannah? Perhaps a floating cloud in a swirling mist of oneness? 

              One last thing lovelypaper:  If you're bad your whole life, but then you go to Jesus, repent & accept him as Lord before you die...do you go to heaven? And what if qwark dedicates his life to others, serving the poor and forgotten, but he's not a follower of Christ...does he go to hell?  Actually, I know the answer to these questions. My parents were devout born-again Christians and reared me as such. 

              Logic is not a pre-requisite for the Jesus-is-the-only-way path.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Very true, dishonesty is not considered a characteristic of being good, hence I would rather not spend an eternity in Heaven with dishonest Christians but instead be elsewhere with those who are just good.

              1. Bianu profile image60
                Bianuposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Where exactly is that. How do they weed out the dishonest ones?

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Easy. They are the ones who deny/refuse the discoveries, characteristics and properties of the physical world and promote their beliefs as reality.

        2. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Christianity managed to renaim the feast, that doesn't mean they own it.

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            prove it!posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well said.

      2. CarolineVABC profile image75
        CarolineVABCposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "X" in Greek is a symbol for Christ.  Xmas is another way of writing Christmas, but most Christians believe that Xmas is deleting 'Christ' in Christmas, which is actually a misconception-at least that's what I've learned this past Christmas:-). Christians can actually be called 'Xians.':-)

    3. thisisoli profile image56
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hallmarkmas

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      zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Nice statue

      Happy new year to all.

    5. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Economic stimulus, to answer the question.

      But even if you're not Christian, it's a nice time of year. There are kinder feelings than usual. There is generosity and a little philanthropy. Not everyone has to believe in Christ to enjoy the benefits and feelings of the season. Having friends around the world that include most every major religion, I find it refreshing to have such a diverse collection of friends who are willing to wish me a "Merry Christmas" when they don't celebrate it at all. Reaching out, regardless of belief, is a good thing. It brings us together.

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      BeckyAposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would call it sad.  Your picture is beautiful. 

      The good thing is that Christianity has survived so many attempts to eradicate it!  Truth will not be denied.  Keep the faith.

      Merry Christmas!!

    7. thisisoli profile image56
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Christmas is Christmas even without Christ. Just because most people don't care about the religious side of it any more does not mean we suddenly have to go and change the name of it.  The meaning of words ahve often changed over time, they evolve.

    8. Greek One profile image80
      Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      you call it 'Hanuka'

      1. Bianu profile image60
        Bianuposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I love this term 'yuletide'. What does it mean

        1. Reality Bytes profile image92
          Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I seem to be redundant but:


          Symbols of Yule:
          These are common items  that people decorate with during the Yuletide season. A Yule log, or small Yule log with 3 candles, evergreen boughs or wreaths, holly, mistletoe hung in doorways, gold pillar candles, baskets of clove studded fruit, a simmering pot of wassail, poinsettias, christmas cactus.

          Yule or Yuletide ("Yule-time") is a winter festival that was initially celebrated by the historical Germanic people as a pagan religious festival, though it was later absorbed into, and equated with, the Christian festival of Christmas. The festival was originally celebrated from late December to early January on a date determined by the lunar Germanic calendar. The festival was placed on December 25 when the Christian calendar (Julian calendar) was adopted.

          1. Valerie F profile image61
            Valerie Fposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Interesting that in the Scandinavian and Gaelic languages, the words Jul and Nollaig refer to both Christmas and the pagan solstice observances. So all Scandinavian Christmas is Jul, but not all Jul is Christmas. (But you can't wish someone a good Christmas in Norwegian without saying "God." God Jul!)wink

  2. ediggity profile image59
    ediggityposted 6 years ago

    Sad.

  3. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago

    The Winter Solstice. Death of the Sun, when it reaches the lowest point in the sky, but after 3 days, it begins to rise up to the heavens so it is all good from now on in. lol lol

  4. Nell Rose profile image89
    Nell Roseposted 6 years ago

    Christmas without Christ? Mas! lol it's a bit like an igloo without the ig, at least you are left with the loo!

    1. Bianu profile image60
      Bianuposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Very funny. But really I live in a country with mixed faiths and everyone rushes around in the holiday spirit.

      if they don't believe in Christ, what exactly are they celebrating?

      1. LookingForWalden profile image61
        LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Life, family, good times, honoring the dead, remembering the past, thinking of the future and all it's possibilities, etc

        It's pretty standard for the millions of heathens who celebrate Christmas.

        Also, Jesus wasn't born in December, so you might be doing it wrong.

        1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
          Captain Redbeardposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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          http://www.bethlehemstar.net/

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  5. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://doctorvee.co.uk/images/chrifsmas.jpg

    It's called Christmas.  If you think Christ is indeed the "reason for the season", you should read and understand history prior to the time of Christ.

    Christmas stopped being a religious holiday to the vast majority of people long ago; welcome to the world of knowledge and reason.

  6. Midnight Oil profile image89
    Midnight Oilposted 6 years ago

    Commercialism - we need to return to the spirit of Christmas and all it stands for...

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Commercialism was all it ever stood for - thanks to Charles Dickens and Disney mainly, Oh yes and Prince Albert pretty much started it as a gift giving thing for his kids - before that it was just another feastday on the christian calender, that before was the same celebration of the winter solstice or whatever occurs at that time in Europe and is still celebrated all over the world.  Here in China it is around mid-February (where it should be) as they still use the lunar calendar for this kind of thing - and they call it the Spring festival which is at least more accurate and honest.

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    foreignpressposted 6 years ago

    The way it is supposed to be as foretold in the Bible. Christianity, and all things related to God, will take a serious beating in the coming years. And we're already seeing this happen. There will be mass migrations of people all over the world and a merging of countless cultures; there will be no right or wrong as everybody has "rights"; God will become a dying entity as designer religions take root. Mass confusion. And then -- the antichrist.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      People having rights is an afront to God?  No wonder he only has morons as followers.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ...thumbs up Ron!!!  smile:
        Qwark

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I hope you don't mean that literally...

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          foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thumbs down, Qwark. You were saved recently. You need to show more appreciation.

      2. arb profile image80
        arbposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        obviously, the morons are not confined to His followers!

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        foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nice piece of sarcasm. Problem is, everybody's personal wants -- i.e., "rights" -- can not be met. No government, no entity on this planet, can accommodate everybody's personal whims. Still, people like Obama, the leftist Labor Party in Britain, and other liberal elements will try. And that will be the downfall of this planet. Now Obama is strongly considering giving "reparations" to American Indians -- which will likely cost hundreds of millions of dollars. And for what? A temporary feel-good tingle? Good job, libs. You're certainly moving this country forward.

        1. Pcunix profile image89
          Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We are trying. Trouble is, we keep getting dragged backward by conservatives.

    2. Information Ninja profile image62
      Information Ninjaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      mass confusion.  is that stated in the bible?   if so where?  Very curious.

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        foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Consider Babylon -- i.e., babbling tongues so disparate that peoples scattered over the globe. In a modern sense, we are seeing cultures merge creating fear, anger, and upheaval. Case in point: Muslims moving to Christian nations. Can this be overcome so we all live in harmony and peace? Not likely. Neither Islam nor Christianity are likely to do either.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Testify!!

          God bless the United White States of America!!!

          1. profile image59
            foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I will feel eternal shame for being white. Would you like reparations?

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No TK, I'm fine.

  8. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

    Winter solstice, like the feast was well before the Christians hijacked it.  If it was really a mass for Christ we would be fasting and worhsipping, not feasting and giving gifts.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I thought we all worshipped WalMart during the season big_smile

  9. the clean life profile image75
    the clean lifeposted 6 years ago

    Without remembering Christ during this season, there is no Christmas.  It seems like some really forget the TRUE meaning of this Christmas Season.

    Let us not forget what Christmas truly means!
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    1. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...Wait, that's not Osama!
      Who are ya trying to kid?
      Qwark

  10. arthurchappell profile image60
    arthurchappellposted 6 years ago

    The Midwinter solstice festival predates Christianity by centuries. Eary Christians commandeered December 25th for its importance to other sects - the Bible gives no clues as to what month Jesus was born in, if ever.  Mammon worship would find other outlets if Christianity faded out - modern Christmas was invented by a combination of Charles Dickens and Coca-Cola

    1. Pcunix profile image89
      Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Stop trying to confuse them with facts.  They HATE that.

      1. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        But seriously, in a way, they are right.

        Whatever the origins, we shouldn't use "Christmas" when we don't mean it.  My family certainly isn't celebrating anything religious this year, but we do like to decorate our house and we do get together for a family dinner.  No gifts - we all agreed to stop that foolishness seven years ago.

        Out of respect for other folks traditions, I really feel that I should say we are having our annual December family party.  I'm serious: you might think it's too much political correctness, but fair is fair:  we are NOT celebrating Christmas and I shouldn't say that we are.

        A lifetime of habit is hard to break, though.

  11. Information Ninja profile image62
    Information Ninjaposted 6 years ago

    Festivus

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    Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago

    A relaxing day at home.

  13. saleheensblog profile image59
    saleheensblogposted 6 years ago

    Christmas without Christ? >spamming for self promotion

  14. Paul Wingert profile image79
    Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

    Christmas without Christ would be Saturnalia - festival to celebrate the Roman God, Saturn. This is where the present Christmas traditions like caroling, gift giving, late night parties, festive entertainment, givng to charity originated from.

    1. Hokey profile image60
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly!

      The Bible does not tell us when Jesus was born. However, we know that the angels announced the birth of Christ to the Bethlehem shepherds in the open fields who were tending their flocks by night.. This fact certainly implies that the birth of Jesus could NOT have been on the 25th of December. "The cold of the night in Palestine between December and February is very piercing, and it was not customary for the shepherds of Judea to watch their flocks in the open fields later than about the end of October." Hislop, A., The Two Babylons, Loiseaux Brothers, Neptune, N.J. pg 91.

  15. Lita C. Malicdem profile image61
    Lita C. Malicdemposted 6 years ago

    Nothing, no meaning at all. It can't be called Christmas.

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    wendyfelixposted 6 years ago

    there is nothing as good as avn chirst in ur lives

  17. Nouveau Skeptic profile image73
    Nouveau Skepticposted 5 years ago

    What do you call a person who wants to stop non-Christians from celebrating a feast session that predates Christ?

    It is like saying anything other than Nike is not a track shoe.  Just because they slapped there name on it doesn't mean they own it.

  18. WriteAngled profile image93
    WriteAngledposted 5 years ago

    Agreed with all previous comments that this is the festival of the Winter Solstice, the rebirth of the Sun.

    However, if you wish, you can also see it as the festival of Mithras, who was born in a cave to a virgin mother...

  19. Valerie F profile image61
    Valerie Fposted 5 years ago

    Christmas without Christ is a lie. I'm fine with atheists exchanging gifts and sharing in the fun, but be honest that what you're celebrating is not Christmas instead of telling me that Christ's Mass is not a religious holiday. And since paganism encompasses a variety of religions, yes, pagan solstice celebrations are religious.

    Insisting that because more than one religion observes different things on the same day that the holiday must not be religious is silly.

    1. Nouveau Skeptic profile image73
      Nouveau Skepticposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The Christmas/holiday/solstice/tomato-tomahto season is a time to come together and love one another, not exclude and criticize.

      1. Valerie F profile image61
        Valerie Fposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's also not a time for atheists to foist non-religious meanings on religious holidays. What next? Tell Muslims Eid al Adha isn't a Muslim holiday? Tell Jews that Yom Kippur is only a day of non-religious self-denial and introspection? Atheists insisting Christmas is non-religious is just as absurd (and perhaps even as rude) as me celebrating Diwali, but telling Hindus it is a Christian holiday. Christmas and the pagan solstice observances (which aren't the same, because a different meaning makes it an entirely different holiday even if the outward trappings are similar)are religious holidays- though we welcome non-religious guests to our feasts.

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Um, the winter solstice *does* have non-Christian meaning, and Christmas does have meaning to atheists (family, joy, giving). 

          I am not foisting it on anyone else, but you are trying to take it away from me.

          So stop worrying about the mote in my eye, and get into the spirit of the season.

          1. Valerie F profile image61
            Valerie Fposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            But Christmas is not the celebration of the Winter Solstice, timing and similarities of outward trappings notwithstanding. To say they're the same is disrespectful, I think, to both pagans and Christians. It certainly reflects a failure to bother with acknowledging the differences that exist- a mentality that, oh, all religions are the same.

            Pagans generally celebrate the return of the sun. Christians are forbidden from worshipping the sun, but not from celebrating the birth of a Jewish carpenter even if not on his actual birthday. Different meanings, different holiday spirit, different holiday altogether.

            I'm not trying to take anything away from you. All are welcome to celebrate Christmas- just don't call it Christmas, then deny that Christ has anything to do with it. When you participate in a celebration that's not part of your religion, it's like you're a guest in other people's homes. You wouldn't visit a Christian family and bag on their religion- while you're accepting gifts from them and eating all their food, would you? You wouldn't tell Jews there was no great Hanukkah miracle while you're eating their latkes and gelt in the light of their menorah.

            It doesn't strike me as honest, courteous, or just plain right to celebrate a holiday according to certain traditions while denying the reason it was designated a holiday by those traditions in the first place.

  20. Reality Bytes profile image92
    Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago

    We call it by it's proper name before it was taken over by the crucifix crowd.


    Yule!


    Symbols of Yule:
    These are common items  that people decorate with during the Yuletide season. A Yule log, or small Yule log with 3 candles, evergreen boughs or wreaths, holly, mistletoe hung in doorways, gold pillar candles, baskets of clove studded fruit, a simmering pot of wassail, poinsettias, christmas cactus.

    Yule or Yuletide ("Yule-time") is a winter festival that was initially celebrated by the historical Germanic people as a pagan religious festival, though it was later absorbed into, and equated with, the Christian festival of Christmas. The festival was originally celebrated from late December to early January on a date determined by the lunar Germanic calendar. The festival was placed on December 25 when the Christian calendar (Julian calendar) was adopted.

    1. Greek One profile image80
      Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      another symbol of Yul...

      http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/kingandi1_92111.jpg

    2. Pcunix profile image89
      Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good point.

      Hard to get out of the habit, but I am going to try.

    3. DzyMsLizzy profile image91
      DzyMsLizzyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes indeed!  The holiday was merely an older custom "baptized" by the early church to assist them in their conversion efforts.  Christians do not at all "own" the season...it existed for centuries prior to Jesus or "Christ."

      Happy Yule!  Merry Saturnalia!  Happy Holidays!  Season's Greetings!

  21. waynet profile image46
    waynetposted 5 years ago

    mas....

  22. Bianu profile image60
    Bianuposted 5 years ago

    So in Norway, Christmas wishes have God in them

  23. Xenonlit profile image60
    Xenonlitposted 5 years ago

    mess

 
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