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Poor folk don't give the rich and powerful their due.
We just kind o' keep making excuses for 'em, always thinking they must o' meant well, but they just can't get the square pegs in the round holes.
I'm only guessing, but it seems to me we all felt that very same way back when Congress first passed the income tax. It didn't hurt all that much! Then, that first itty-bitty income tax didn't seem so onerous.
But, now, today, we want to scream from the rooftops, "My taxes are too high! My taxes are too high!" We know we ought to get rid of 'em; we don't know how.
Such high emotions among the country's middle class have evoked a groundswell among politicians on both sides of the political aisle in favor of a so-called flat tax. Some want a "pure" flat tax with no deductions while others offer modified versions that would retain some of the popular deductions, primarily home mortgage interest, local and state taxes, and charitable contributions.
The existing income tax is so full of holes, so unfair to so many people that it has few defenders. The question is not, "Should we deep-six the income tax?" Rather, the question is, "What kind of flat tax should we impose, and how can we change the system without causing havoc?"
Unfortunately, switching to a flat tax is akin to going on a diet and giving up chocolate ice cream, only to replace it with vanilla ice cream. It may be a big change, but to no avail.
When the government decided the country needed an inexhaustible supply of money, it had any number of options. Few poor folk could be found among the gentry in Congress, where the big decisions are made. Most were men of wealth, whether Democrat or Republican, and relied not on wages and salaries, but on dividends, interest and capital gains.
So, they came up with a great idea. Tax ordinary income!
It certainly seemed reasonable to them at the time.
There was one tax, however, that no one ever discussed. In fact, no one even wanted to think about it. It would be preposterous, un-American, heresy!
That tax is a flat tax, but a flat tax, not on income, but on net worth!
There, I said it. The cat's out of the bag! Please don't report me to the Whitewater ... er, I mean, House Un-American Activities Committee.
Think of it, though. If Jane Doe punches holes in donuts for $15,000-a-year but hasn't got a dime in the bank, should she pay the same taxes as John Doe, who also punches holes in donuts, but has $6 million in various investments around the world?
Oh, of course, we couldn't tax net worth because it would be too hard to figure out how much everyone has stashed away -- and besides, people would cheat.
But just think of all the jobs it would create. You could keep the entire Internal Revenue Gestapo, er, Service, that is, in business, and keep the economy booming!
But us poor folk know better. We're not so dumb. Whatever the politicians decide to do, we know we're the ones who will be paying the bills.
It's like Shorty the Barber of the old Amos and Andy Show once said when asked how he figures his taxes.
"I just send them everything I make."
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I'm in. Won't happen though. Guess which group votes down even 10% flat tax across earned and unearned? The wealthy. They don't even pay that much, they sure aren't going to for this and they own the government.
Thanks for comments. A agree about Forbes. I also agree that a flat tax on net worth isn't going to happen. The rich and powerful are not necessarily heavyweights, but they keep a tight grip on their dollars. Leona Helmsley knew who pays the taxes: Only the little people.
exactly.
William
At the risk of sounding too religious, I feel that a flat tax is certainly the Lords way. He requires a simple tithe of his people. That tithe is 10% of their annual increase. Neither rich nor poor are singled out, all pay the same. Is it harder for a man who is rich to pay 10%, for that amount would be great? Or, is it harder for a poor man who has very little to pay, for he needs all that he has to survive? The answer is simple, 10% is 10%. Now for the hard part, who defines what "increase" is? Ahhh, that is another one to ponder, isn't it?
There's no question in my mind that a 10 percent tax doesn't hurt the wealthy at all, but 10 percent is a burden to the poor. Today the wealthy are given all the breaks while the poor suffer in silence, as usual.
Bill , going along with your chain of thought. How much taxes would the Kennedy clan and the Hollywood bunch have to pay in this total worth plan ?
My solution is replacing the income tax with a national sales tax.
The more you buy the more you pay in taxes.
There should be an exception on staples of life, whatever that means.
Get rid of the IRS and the buildings and all the books holding the millions of words necessary to interpret the tax laws. Most states already have a state sales tax, so the infrastructure is already in place.
It gives an almost immediate revenue to the country without the delays of with-holding and filing millions of pieces of tax papers.
There will always be a group of people that will sidestep the system but they are easier to track than the current income tax system.
Money would go into savings without being taxed and at some time it has to come out and get hit by the sales tax.
The government would have to downsize to a level where it works for us but not against us. The current benefit versus burden of government in this country is way on the burden side.
It is a fairer system and more productive for the country.
I appreciate your comments, issues veritas, but I can't agree on the sales tax. The tax burden, in my opinion, would fall very heavily on the poor and middle income people. The wealthy live lavishly; they can do that by spending only a tiny portion of their wealth -- and they get that back many times over through their "investments." On top of that, the wealthy will simply buy their villas and yachts in Mexico, Canada, Spain or wherever fits their fancy. Poor people spend 100 percent of their income; wealthy people spend basically nothing (because they usually end up the year with more than what they started with.) Taxation based on net worth would level the playing field a little, but the wealthy would no doubt find a loophole there, too.
William,
That is why I mentioned the exceptions to the sales tax to cover the staples needed by the poor.
As to the wealthy finding loop holes, they already do that now.
The IRC is already unfriendly to the middle class.
Without the income tax deductions, people will have the freedom to spend their money without worrying about the tax consequence.
The federal sales tax shouldn't have any more or any less problems than those that already exists in the state sales tax system.
I don't agree with your statements on the poor and the wealthy. As long as there are loopholes, the advantage goes to the wealthy. Many bad decisions are made trying to use tax loopholes to avoid paying high taxes.
The tax loopholes and just the volume of tax information in the IRC is for the advantage of the wealthy. The poor and the middle class cannot take advantage of the 99% tax filler information.
KISS, keep it simple stupid, always works better than the complex and the overly complex.
I don't know why you want to continue the Income Tax and its unfair administration of taxing income. It makes no sense, but a whole lot of dollars for the government.
I do not want to continue the income tax, issues veritas.
Only a tax on net worth, not income, would fairly distribute the tax burden. I do not believe exceptions to the sales tax designed to cover staples would be adequate for most poor people. With exceptions for the poor, the proceeds to the government would be inadequate to cover the federal budget because the wealthy would not be paying their fair share of taxes. Poor and middle income people would still get hit with the highest rate of taxes on anything other than "staples" -- I question how the legislation would define the word.
Beyond the method of collecting taxes, the problem is that our system of compensation for investments greatly favors the wealthy. This system of interest, dividends, stock options, etc., allows the wealthy to live without working and without contributing anything substantial to our economic well being.
Why is there no government or private agency studying this situation? We need is a bonafide report that gives the pros and cons of all possible methods of tax collection so that Americans can at least work frrom the same facts.
William --
I can see that we are on the far side of each other
This is how I see it from my vantage point;
First, the size of the 16 trillion pound gorilla is way to large for any country to support. The burden versus the benefit seesaw if way to far on the burden side.
Second, your sales tax argument is moot as to the poor because the states have the sales tax already implemented. To have the national sales tax wouldn't create any additional damage.
Third. Who determines net? Isn't that going to allow more loopholes.
Fourth. I believe that it would be simpler to define staples than to close the existing loopholes. You could provide a system similar to food stamps only you give sales tax coupons. In any case, a method could be devised to provide help for the low income families.
Fifth. The rich have to spend their wealth at some point, otherwise they are just living with a thick money mattress. The current income tax system favors the wealthy far more than the sales tax system would allow it. If you think that the same sales tax rate is an advantage to the wealthy and that because of that they don't pay enough taxes, I don't see it that way.
If you buy an item for $10 and pay 10% tax, you paid $1
If you buy an item for $100 and pay 10% tax, you paid $10
If you buy an item for $10000 and pay 10% tax, you paid $1000
I don't seen any need to distribute wealth through a progressive tax system.
That is not fair, and that is the current income tax system. The problem is that the wealthy pay high priced CPAs and Tax Attorneys to save them millions, with trust, corporate shells etc. These tax reduction and avoidance mechanisms are not usable for the poor and the middle class.
If you can get the wealthy to pay taxes at all, which they hardly do under the current system, it would be an improvement.
If you feel that you must, you can always use the luxury tax for the really extravagant products.
sixth. If you had a good thing going for you as a Congressmen and for your filthy rich friends that bought you the election, would you want some government agency running it with studies.
Why, after 45 years the cigarette companies can legally sell toxic substances with known hazardous results to people that use and those around them, still get away with just a warning label.
The tobacco lobby and the huge taxes on tobacco.
Screw the health hazard, full tax and profit ahead.
my opinion....
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, issues veritas. Sure, you can establish a national sales tax, but the reality is that the wealthy and the corporate lobbies would never go along with the exceptions you suggest, including food stamps and coupons. A tax that's truly fair could never get through Congress, even a Democratic Congress. The attorneys and CPA's who make sure the wealthy pay as little as possible can only do so because all those tax benefits and loopholes were created by an almost exclusively wealthy Congress and their filthy rich contributors (not always above the table.) Determining "net worth" would present some problems as well, but, if it were ever enacted, would be truly fair. That's the way I see it, Froggy.
William,
By your own definition, your plan fails.
They always win when you don't play the game.
Sunrise 27
It's their game, not mine, issues veritas. Poor and middle income Americans have little chance of overcoming the big money interests unless they get together, organize and create the instruments necessary to establish a strong political base. Too many Americans like to think of themselves as above all that -- to their detriment. No plan can succeed without strong support. Good luck with yours.
Why do we live in different countries?
I can tell you why we live in different countries, issues veritas. It's the system! The system is stacked in favor of the wealthy and powerful. The poor are not only without money, they are without resources, without influence, without representation, without political clout -- and pretty much, finanacially speaking, without hope. When I was a small boy my family, like many in my neighborhood in Yonkers, N.Y., was poor. For a while, my parents had a tough time making ends meet. My mother came home one day and told me that she had gone to a bank to borrow a little money to sustain the family through through the difficulties we faced. The bank, she said, turned her down. The bank told her they could only lend her money if she already had money, which she, of course, didn't. If this doesn't illustrate how the banks exist to serve the wealthy, I don't know what does! I know, I know. The banks needs collateral. But the friendly grocer on the corner didn't ask for collateral when he gave us groceries and "hung it up" (often with a cheery smile.) It's about time the wealthy paid their fair share of the tax burden.
Ralph Deeds says:
2 years ago
You're on the right track. Forbes is lightweight.