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A few words on Karma

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By Ananta65


Definition of Karma

Karma (Sanskrit: kárma, kárman- "act, action, performance"; Pali: kamma) is the concept of "action" or "deed" in Indian religions understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra) originating from Hinduism and described in Jain, Sikh and Buddhist philosophies.

The philosophical explanation of karma can differ slightly between traditions, but the general concept is basically the same. Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others.

(Source: Wikipedia)

The bank-account view

CJStone describes it as follows in his hub Instant Karma's Gonna Get You:

"The problem with this is that it treats karma as like some sort of a cosmic bank-account. I put in my moral cash, as it were - my good deeds - in order to receive my moral interest. Or, if I overdraw on my cosmic credit card - bad karma - I am likely to get my soul repossessed. Something like that.

Which leaves us with the question: who do we think the banker is?"

Well, in my view there is no banker. Nor is there an account. This approach treats Karma as if it were a simple matter of keeping a balance book. Life is not about giving and taking. There's no such thing as a deposit that you can withdraw from. Knowing that (your) life can end right here and right now, what's the use of creating some moral piggy bank? Karma is not about investment. It's about doing the right thing now. Period. Don't do the right thing in order to be rewarded. Do the right thing. Whether there will be some moral interest or not doesn't really matter, does it? Doing the right thing matters. Anything you do or say (even think) has an effect. To be aware of that is to be aware of Karma.


Lama Ole Nydahl - Karma

The future lives view

Traditional Hindu philosophy is often interpreted in a way where your Karma will get back to you in a future life. Which is then taken to extremes and - mistakenly - turned around. The idea that Karma will determine your future life is used to explain the current situation. It's just not that simple. We tend to interpret cause and effect much the same way as action causes reaction. We try to look at it as we look at the law of gravity: something that can be measured. If you're born under the worst circumstances in an underdeveloped country, then you must have done something in a previous life to deserve that. Karma is not about settling the score. Karma is (again) about being aware that anything you think, say or do will have an effect.

The Law-of-Attraction view

pgrundy says:

"A popular version of the concept of Karma making the rounds now is the "Law of Attraction" nonsense--You know, you attract what you put out there, so if you're having a crappy life, you must be asking for a crappy life, because if you were asking for a wonderful life, the benevolent Universe would just give you one. The Universe as Tooth Fairy. What? You didn't get your shiney quarter in the morning? You must not have put your tooth under the pillow! It's your own fault!

The power of positive thinking is, well, powerful, but its also true that sh*t happens. I don't think sh*t happens necessarily because in this life or a past life you did anything at all. If you're under the piano when it gets shoved out a ten-story window, is that because you bad-mouthed some piano as a small child? What garbage! Or, how about the people with cancer who are responsible for their own illnesses because they don't think positively? More garbage!

People like to feel that the world makes sense from a people perspective.

I think it clearly does not."

There are at least two mistakes in the Law of Attraction view. First, there's more than Karma. There are six billion people living on this planet, so it's naive to think that you and you alone are responsible for the circumstances you live under. You can, if you want, look for one single cause (be it some divine entity, a universal source of energy) for your situation. If there is such a source, this source will not be about dealing and trading. It's human nature to trade. It's not natural, it's human. You won't find animals or plants trading. There may be mutual benefits from some kind of behavior, but this behavior is not displayed with the intention to trade, it's only displayed because it comes naturally.

Second mistake is to turn things around. "if you're having a crappy life, you must be asking for a crappy life". It doesn't work that way. If you hold a lit match next to the drapes, they will catch fire. But if you're drapes are on fire, that doesn't automatically imply that you held a lit match next to them. To get back to karma: if you act badly towards other people, these people will usually not respond in a kind manner. That doesn't mean that if people are unkind to you, you must have been unkind to them. You could just be dealing with unkind people.


Some quotes

How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours. ~Wayne Dyer

Men are not punished for their sins, but by them. ~Elbert Hubbard

Worthless people blame their karma. ~Burmese Proverb

The Ananta view

In my view and experience Karma is. Karma is not about reward and punishment. Reward and punishment require judgement. Karma doesn't judge. To judge is a human trait. Karma is nature. Nature doesn't judge.

We shouldn't try to grab it, define it in order to be able to control it, because we can't. Sometimes Karma will be instantly, sometimes it will take longer before the effect shows. That shouldn't concern us. For me, Karma is about the confidence that if I think, say and act good (which is a very personal and subjective concept), that will work out for me at some point in time. We shouldn't look at Karma narrow-mindedly. An eye for an eye is a very limited interpretation of Karma. The relationship of what you think, say and do and what happens to you in return is not one on one.

Karma is not like a boomerang either. Years ago I helped an acquaintance of a friend with her tax returns. She had cancer, wasn't into numbers and accounting, so a few years I filled out her tax forms for her. I have never seen this woman. I never received anything, nor did I charge her. I never bragged about this either and I don't mean to brag about it now. I'm just using it to illustrate Karma. I never received anything directly for doing what I did. Yet I do believe it was the good thing to do.

Karma is not calculation, Karma is not something we can blame or use as an excuse. Karma just is.

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CJStone profile image

CJStone  says:
18 months ago

Great Ananta65, and you've answered some of my questions.

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Ananta65  says:
18 months ago

Thank you, CJ. And thank you for providing the inspiration for it.

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pgrundy  says:
18 months ago

Thank you for this hub. I completely agree that we should do the right thing because its the right thing, not because we expect some reward for it. I think sometimes when westerners start to popularize eastern ideas they get fractured and end up meaning something entirely different than what was initially intended. Thank you for lending some clarity to this. All the best to you.

Ananta65 profile image

Ananta65  says:
18 months ago

Thank you for your comment :)

I agree that we westerners tend to popularize wisdom and reduce it to ready-to-eat chunks, so that we don;t have to think too hard on it.

A. Jill  says:
18 months ago

You have stated the problem I have always had with the concept of Karma which is the reward and punishment aspect of it. I do believe that we create our own reality here for our own particular reasons. I may, while here, "walk a mile in another's shoes", not as punishment, but for desired experience and knowledge. On some level. It's a choice not a penalty. The universe, Karma, All That Is, whatever the term....doesn't recognize right and wrong, positive or negative. As you say, it just is. But does it recognize love?

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Ananta65  says:
18 months ago

I don't know. I think not. I think love is a 'law' of it's own, co-existing with Karma. Just like Karma it does not have knowledge or judgement. Just like Karma, it simply is.

A. Jill  says:
18 months ago

That makes sense to me.

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Ananta65  says:
18 months ago

Or maybe we should see Karma and Love as Yin and Yang. Love being the white, passive power; Karma being the black, active power. For Love holds Karma and Karma holds Love.

Just a thought.

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marisuewrites  says:
18 months ago

If in the world, all things being negative, personally tragic, what would our choices be?  To do good under dire circumstances, and to do good with no instant return, is to do good for the right reasons. 

This was a wonderful piece and I learned a lot from it...many of your phrases spoke straight to my heart. thank you!

Over the years, sometimes - well, many times, people asked me... "why did you foster parent?" or "...what did you get out of it?"

In other words, "What was in it for you?"

I say, "Not a lot. We got very little out of it if you are asking about rewards."

(WITH the exception of our 2 adopted boys...that goes without saying..)

But we did not go into it expecting to GET a lot OUT of it. We went in, to DO a lot. And, we think we accomplished that."

Ananta65 profile image

Ananta65  says:
18 months ago

I admire what you've done, Marisue. Not many people do things for other people out of kindness. It's a rare trait. And I think you'll agree with me that feeling good about what you did is all the reward one could want. Thank you for your positive comments.

msms profile image

msms  says:
18 months ago

Anant, Karma is what destiny has designed for us to do. We have no choice. We just do them. You are preparing Tax returns of your acquaintance is your Karma and you are happy about it. Whatever comes before us we select and do? If something else come we will do that Karma.

Your article is very balanced though explorative and forces your reader to think about Karma. Reading your Hub was my destiny I never did any 'Karma' for it. Writing and thinking about you, Ananta, is my (Karma) privilege. And I feel happy about this Karma, that I am doing!

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Ananta65  says:
18 months ago

Thank you for your thoughts, although I beg to differ. In my view Karma is not destiny. Destiny suggests that our lives have already been designed for us. We do and get what's in our destiny. Basically that means, that it doesn't make a difference what we d and don't. Karma on the other hand clearly indicates that it DOES make a difference. It's not destiny that got me into writing this hub, it's my own free will. And according to the laws of Karma this will have some effect. But it pleases me that I got people to think. :)

terenceyap07 profile image

terenceyap07  says:
16 months ago

Hey there Ananta65,

Thank you for sharing these views on Karma. Do you think you could do an article on the philosophy of the late Bikkhu Buddhasa? His views are very similar to those of Zen.

Thank you, my friend.

*smiles*

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Ananta65  says:
16 months ago

You're welcome, I like to share :)

I'll look into it. To be honest I don't know Bikkhu Buddhasa, so I have to do some research.

*smiles back*

Have a nice day

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mistyhorizon2003  says:
16 months ago

Good Hub and a balanced view with many interesting facts, and questions answered. I too agree Karma should not be a cosmic bank account where we do good things in order to receive good things back. Personally I am happy to go to sleep at night with a clear conscience that I have lived my life well that day and helped others where they needed it, be them human or animal.

Well written.

Ananta65 profile image

Ananta65  says:
16 months ago

Thank you very much, Mistyhorizon. That’s a good way to look at things in my opinion. And I trust that it will be ‘rewarded’ too.

dafla  says:
16 months ago

Great information, as usual, Mr. A.

Karma is something you can actually feel if you're sensitive enough. I know that to me, someone's Karma is like a psychic aura that I can sense the minute I meet them, or read something they've written. I've had people ask me why I don't associate with certain people, who others like very much. I just say "bad karma". Good karma wraps itself around me when I meet someone, bad karma punches me in the gut. 99% of the time I'm proven to be right.

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Ananta65  says:
16 months ago

Thank you so much, Mrs. D. :)

Gut feeling, basic instinct, whatever you want to call it... 99% of the time it's right about almost everything, whether it's about people, situations or choices to be made. In some way it's all linked together: karma, aura, the things that we don't have a logical explanation for. Thank you for reading and commenting :)

Steve Rensch profile image

Steve Rensch  says:
6 months ago

It does seem that karma (which is a concept to most, but not to me) has become an intellectual plaything, bantered about by many who don't really care what it means. Like on a blind date. But for what it's worth, my view of karma is that it is the bottom line of the universe, and is the only thing (PGrundy) that explains the apparent unfairness of life. The prerequisite is a belief in reembodiment. For those who do not feel that, karma becomes little more than positive thinking. But if it's true that we pass through many lifetimes and that there is a purpose to those reembodiments, then it makes sense that each lifetime represents an opportunity to learn another aspect of God and people. The apparent success of the jerk and the homelessness of the hard-working family man make no sense unless each lifetime represents our time to experience what we have never before. It is not about punishment. It is that we will never understand God or other people fully until we've learned the lessons that go with being both the undeserving rich man and the righteous poor man. From this vantage point, karma is not a game, nor is it punishment. It is how we learn who we are. The murderer one lifetime must experience being the victim of murder in another, but not as punishment, but rather so that he/she will know all sides of the experience.

Ananta65 profile image

Ananta65  says:
6 months ago

I would say that any aspect of life can be (and often is) an intellectual plaything, Steve. And as far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with pondering and wondering as it makes people aware.

I for me am not convinced that we go through a number of reembodiments. Nor am I convinced that we don't. Having said that, karma (for me) is not just a matter of positive thinking. There is a big difference between thinking good (appropriate, just, etc.) thoughts and thinking positive.

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metaphysician  says:
5 months ago

"Karma is nature" - that's quite wake me up. The whole Universe is naturally run by itself and it does thing the way it should be, and it never errs. Only human has the potentiality or erring.

Karma is like the mother's love to her child- just the right thing.

Ananta65 profile image

Ananta65  says:
5 months ago

I like that: karma is just the right thing. Gives you something to contemplate about...

Dante  says:
5 months ago

and the karma for ebay ?

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Ananta65  says:
5 months ago

I have no idea

JustSmile  says:
4 months ago

This has really made me understand more about the concept of karma and I think that 99% of the time, it works. When do you good things for others you get good things back, but not necessarily from the same person. I don't do things to get thankyous, just for a good feeling inside. A feeling that I have done a good deed and hopefully made someone elses life a bit happier, just as you have done :)

I will say thankyou anyway :D

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Ananta65  says:
4 months ago

And I say you're more than welcome *smile*

I try to do good as well, not as some sort of investment, but just to do good.

Thank you for reading and commenting

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