All is Fair in War When Money Talks Love Will Walk Part 4
61All is Fair in War. When Money Talks Love will Walk Part 4
For better or worse here is your big chance to put your faith in your words and speak your mind. Vent your speen and tell us what you really think about the childish and bad behaviour of both cricket tteams and their powerful Boses
Did the ICC give way to the BCCI or did they douse the flames?
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Sportingo 08-01-08
Indian (08 / 01 / 2008 04:14)
I do not think you understand what you are speaking.
Craig H (08 / 01 / 2008 04:18)
A very brave call Soma and I suspect you'll be attacked for it, but I agree that the aftermath of the game has lost all sense of proportion. There was much in the game to make you angry, but there were some terrific individual performances and they have been lost in this angry response. Cheers.
Deepak (08 / 01 / 2008 04:25)
Re: India should have killed the game when Australia were 134 for six.
and yes, they would have - had Bucknor not slept during the thick outside edge from Symonds while he was @ 30.
Sanjeev (08 / 01 / 2008 04:31)
BCCI is not demanding to nullify the match result. They are demanding to discontinue the two umpires who give 5 wrong decisions against India in second test match. The other demand is to revoke suspension of Harbhajan, as there is no proof for that and Australians can't be trusted! Understand the issue first and write blogs!!!
JD (08 / 01 / 2008 04:36)
Hi Soma, It seems you have lost your senses. Ponting plays the game in right spirit. BS...He did not walk when clearly edging the ball and then claims that Mr. Clarke (oh I am so innocent and lucky face) who clearly grassed it caught the ball. how did HE KNOW for sure??? ICC and cricket administrators are ruining the game...why will a catch be called upon a fielders decision...Hieght of incompetency by officials managing the game...next time ask the batsman about LBW decisions...
bernard (08 / 01 / 2008 04:36)
Finally some sense and not the emotive dripple that is pouring out of India, sure India was ripped off and got the wrong end of the stick on most decisions but to call the Aussies cheats and threaten to abandon the tour is just childish. Once again the umpire has gone against them with Harbhajan (as there was no evidence) but this is the job of the referee, it’s not a conspiracy against India.
veeyes (08 / 01 / 2008 04:50)
Are you aware of what went on in Sydney?
I am sorry sir, but, do you really understand what you're talking about? I think you're completely missing the point.
shakil (08 / 01 / 2008 04:56)
Normally, I wd agree with Soma on giving the devil their dues but there are certain factors. Australia is by far the best team in the world. But, even Steve Waugh's team was brilliant probably better and more respected than the current one. Even they indulged in sledging and playing hard. But the following are some of the observations made by me 1. The umpires must take the major blame. No point blaming the non-walkers coz they have to walk when there is a wrong decision against them. However, Pontings annoyance at the wrong decision against him after benefiting from an earlier wrong decision sounds hypocritical 2. These days most teams are used to sledging, what’s sad in this incident is Ponting going back on the philosophy of "what happens on the field stays on the field" 3. True India should have bowled Australia under 200 and batted the entire 75 overs. but how could they...Umpires wood not let Symonds get out when it was genuine and they wood not let Dravid bat in 2nd innings (Ganguly's dismissal, the video
S.ramkumar (08 / 01 / 2008 05:17)
Drop dead
Bernard (08 / 01 / 2008 05:19)
This all been blown out of proportion, without wanting to sound racist it seems Indians have a talent for indignation. One week you are burning Laxman and Dravid in the streets. The next burning bucknor and Ponting. It’s ridiculous. If you want to play the game in the right spirit, move on to Perth, win the match and show what great cricketers you can be. Ponting has done nothing wrong except not show due humility in the face of a lucky but hard fought win, I guess he was focussed more on the hard fought part; you can’t blame him for that. 5 days of hard fought and great cricket(with good spirits between players until the Harbhajan incident)barring the terrible umpiring all coming to a miracle over from Clarke for victory and the series win, you cant tell me you wouldn’t get excited. Contrary to many media reports players did shake hands, the Aussies just took a few mins to enjoy themselves. If India wins the next two tests (won’t happen) they can claim a moral victory. One final point, if Sharma could have b
Srini (08 / 01 / 2008 05:21)
I guess you are just trying to be different and attract viewer ship. Everyone knows Aussies pressure tactics and how they are playing with the psyche of Indian cricketers. Ponting is just turning out to be stupid. Andrew Symonds seems to be a very sensitive guy and seems to take nothing sportingly. It is so silly that he provoked Bhajji and then is aiming at Bhajji on the basis of his retort. Why should he have provoked him in the first place? I don't agree with you that India played bad cricket in the SCG test. 532 was a wonderful total. If you lose great players like Dravid and Ganguly to wrong umpiring decisions and observe that the opposing captain is playing a fool of you, obviously the team's morale will be down and your analysis would have been different if 3 wickets had not gone down in the 'lucky' penultimate over. Just trying to be different for the heck of it is very ridiculous on your part.
Cricket Lover (08 / 01 / 2008 05:46)
Soma, Oh! What an ill-advised cheap publicity seeker you are. This is what happens when people want to contribute without any significant knowledge of the game, in general, or the one in question. There are so many illogical arguments that they are not worth responding to. Just to mention one, Ponting is one of the biggest cheats in the game today and a liar too. At least surf the net and widen your knowledge before embarking upon writing on cricket. I wonder if you knew how to spell "cricket" a few months ago.
Bernard (08 / 01 / 2008 05:48)
I think many of you are confusing bad umpiring with bad Aussie sportsmanship. You really have to separate the two if you are going to reach any meaningful resolution. If you can’t accept that its the batsmen’s right to wait until he is given out then you have not read the rule book. Clarke says he caught the catch (if he knew he didn’t then I would agree this is bad sportsmanship) and the umpire agreed, though didn’t follow an appropriate process in my view. Bad luck India, get on with Perth.
Brad (08 / 01 / 2008 05:49)
Well done Soma, India keep blaming the umpires but they need to look at themselves Yuvraj, Jaffer and Dhoni haven’t scored many runs so there basically batting with 8 players and Dravid bats time without achieving to much I believe he should be dropped for Sehwag. India’s fielding is poor they give Aussies at least 50 runs an innings not just in misfields but being to slow Matt Hayden is so confident he takes singles to mid off and mid on even though he hits it straight to them because he knows there slow and there arms are weak. India never take quick singles other than Tendulkar, Kumble gifts Aussies aggressive batsmen runs by setting the field back without realising they still score at 4 or 5 an over through singles and the biggest problem is the fact they gave up when symonds was given not out simple as that they bowled pathetic brad hogg is an average batsmen and he looked like bradman because they bowled to short or full. Let’s not forgot the series Aussie lost in India the umpiring was poor but this time
Ankit (08 / 01 / 2008 05:55)
Too many people who don’t know their cricket
If the ball is grassed at any point of time that a fielder is trying to catch a ball or is trying to get it under control is deemed a no-catch. So even though the rule could be in theory the other way round, for Clarke and Ponting took brilliant catches by the existing rule they clearly grassed it when they fell to ground. Many a good catch has been deemed a no-catch before on this rule, the most famous one of course Gibbs catch of Waugh. That’s why the Indians felt hard done by. I can’t remember a test match in the last 15 years which had 8 clear cut wrong decisions against one team as opposed to one against the other team. I think this Aussie team’s image has been tarnished beyond repair, but the tour should go on, for actually on paper Aussies have not done anything technically wrong!
Ankit (08 / 01 / 2008 06:06)
Unsporting from the Aussies-within rules but deplorable!
As far as the unsporting behaviour goes, I can single out three, the symonds and Gillys appeal when Dravid was out (actually not out) was appalling but many a team has done it. Batsmen not walking after thick edges, Ponting, Symonds, Hussey, Clarke (after edging to first slip). Ponting pointing to the umpire that Ganguly was out, another first in cricket. The wild final celebrations, in the second test match of a 4 match series in which they were always second best barring the last session, while Kuble stood in a distance waiting to shake hands. But again Australia is justified to play the way they want to, they want to win at any cost, but so is Kumble and every other cricketing expert and fan justified to call it the most unsporting team ever!
Bernard (08 / 01 / 2008 06:18)
Sure the ball touched grass, but only after landing clearly and directly into the palm of Ricky’s hand and him having complete control of that ball, nothing was moving that ball out of his hand, it was a solid catch. Evidence on Clarke’s was inconclusive, as they say "Fortune favours the brave" India from day 4 we playing for a draw, the Aussies for a win.
Karthik (08 / 01 / 2008 06:29)
Mr. Soma, 'If Clarke took the catch on the bounce then Mark Benson got it wrong, not Ricky Ponting'...what you don't know about this is Kumble and Ponting had a pact that if the catch on the ground is unclear, then they will take the fielding captain's word for it. You mean to say Ponting played fairly by giving it 'OUT' when the result is inconclusive.
Bernard (08 / 01 / 2008 06:41)
Ponting gave it out based on Clarke saying he was sure he caught it. I think that after the bad umpiring you copped, it hurt more to see Ponting give the out signal like he was a fifth umpire against you, than him just saying yes we believe it was caught, it’s the same thing. The only thing inconclusive were the replays which Ponting didn’t have. if Sharma could have batted it out, the test would be remembered very differently. Sharma's nick.
Bernard (08 / 01 / 2008 06:49)
It’s Innings, Ponting LBW Bowled Singh. Huge inside edge. Didn’t the Silly point, slip, bowler, keeper or short leg hear the nick? Surely someone did. According to the rationale of many on this forum they should have called him back or at least not appealed, yet they all went up. About Symonds nick, are you saying that all Indian batsmen walk when they Nick it? Give me a break; they only difference is that Symonds admitted he knew. If you have played cricket you will know that you always know when you nick it.
akash (08 / 01 / 2008 07:47)
this is a bad day for Indian cricket...not because we have lost...every Indian knew that India will lose a match were politics is the height of select a player in team...yuvraj went to test his hormones with his g/f...0 and 0's to add. no one talking...Dhoni cannot be a team man with yuvraj after the later snatched his girl...Dravid cannot play his heart as he was snatched off his captaincy ....Tendulkar is happy tat he made his ton though the team lost...Ganguly is happy because he got his adversaries wrong...Harbhajan is happy that he in team for all the wrong reasons and is proving he plays dramas better than cricket...and the media is fooled and being asked to cover the racial slur than the real reasons as to why India has lost...Sehwag...dumbest...he should have been born on a lucky day...to still tour with the team...Kumble...realising that it is a shame to captain a BUNCH OF SELFISH SOULS!!
Vivek (08 / 01 / 2008 11:14)
Sportsmanship, spirit and above all the attitude of the players matters for the growth of the game. There is no doubt that OZ shown a negative attitude and a poor spirit for the game .They created undue mental pressure on everybody including empires by dirty tactics. The Champions are not clean champions ...as cricket lover we want entertainment...not frustrations
God (08 / 01 / 2008 14:12)
are u high or just incredibly stupid?
Fantasy (08 / 01 / 2008 14:19)
God please forgive this ignorant writer as he knows what he is babbling... He is trying to show how smart he is by unintelligent, ignorant remarks with absolutely no idea of current issue on which Indians are upset. Does not deserve even 1 star rating. The writer should retire from blog writing along with Bucknor.
manish (08 / 01 / 2008 16:41)
Berbard a true example of a racist
Wow awesome Do u know what are you doing you are defending the lie "The Australians are not cheaters and are they are still the world champions”. Honestly speaking you know you’re saying it all wrong. Before Australia, West Indies were the world champs but they never went down to such cheap tactics. When Australians come to India they say and complain a lot about almost everything ranging from bad incompetent Indian Umpires to Crowd. But when India do so they are making a mess out of it. How many times you need to give lifelines to a player like Symonds. If u give so many lifelines to even Glenn McGrath he will even score a century. Indians were no doubt the superior team in the last match. IF Australia think cricket is there sole property and there copyright let them learn the lesson that the are wrong the hard way. Don’t worry Bernanrd After all this India will crush Aussies big time in Perth Test. Then try to defend Aussies for there wrongs. It’s just that BCCI is big and big enough to take whole cricket world with them in de
Jono (08 / 01 / 2008 18:12)
I don't find my heading offensive or racist; it is in fact quite accurate. Just ask anyone who has ever caught a taxi (cab) in Sydney or Melbourne.
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I am still sticking to my guns. Australians are bad sportsmen. The cricketers should set an example for our children instead of behaving like bad sports and like children themselves.
Really unfortunate such things should happen on sports field when the whole world is watching it live.I have my comment on the previous hub of yours too.
I appreciate your considered opinions and thank you for joining in. I have to agree that when we go onto the sports field, we should leave anything else off the field. I actually love monkeys and the Chinese have a year of the monkey. I am a dog
Aaargh, I had written my comments and lost the page when I hit "Post Comment". I had said, more or less, that I am not into sports but read your hub because I was curious about the dynamics of sportsmanship overseas, and its not different from what we experiecne in the USA. or in South America where I am originally from. Seems competition brings out the ego/worst in players.
Violet Sun your thoughts are in line with many of the viewers and watchers of sport and the way the palers act on or off the field.
Thank you
They should just take it easy, it is not the end of the world. It is just a game. There are still two more tests to play, so play hard and prove that you are the best on the field.
That is the emotional feeling we want out there on the playing ground.
Perhaps it was just a big put on and done to raise the ratings and they will all make more money.
It's all a game.Put on..ratings..money..fame..but it has been around for centuries..Great Hub MrMarmalade G-Ma :O)
It is a creation of sport.
One of our great tennis players, in the modern era, had little tantrum, when he was beaten by a lower rated Australian. Too much money and not enough brains.
BCCI pays 70% of the ICC official’s salaries so no doubt it has an upper hand plus it was right in supporting their players.
Ponting and his men are seen as rude and arrogant around the cricketing world. They had problems with Murlitharan and now this.
Many Australians have supported India on this issue. What if BCCI leaves the ICC and then what will happen. I think the issue should have stayed on the field. There are more nasty things being said on the field (if you can mouth read) than mere monkeys even though there were no evidence (audio or video) to back it up. ICC banned Harbhajan on the evidence of the Australian players’ word against the Indian players.
At least it’s resolved and they are playing otherwise Cricket Australian would have had to suffer at least 50 million dollars plus India had to pay a 2 million fine.
More on what others have been saying on the India and Australia issue.
No comment on the issues of the field I still feel the BCCI have used their muscle and their money to make the ICC back down Great spirit. You say they back their players. Where is their comment on the bowler who put Pontin out first ball five times. I thought he was a tremendous bowler, he must have thought he was a performing bear. There was no comment from BCCI. Just we are taking our bat and ball home. Now Hogg has been charged, Do you think he will, play in the next test. It will be wrapped up very politely and their story will be his finger.
Who is the good sports organization.?
Your comment indicates that Australia will loose $50,000,000.00 and India will lose $2,000,000.00 Where is the amount BCCI will lose as they will have nothing to show the Indian Public. After all empty playing fields lose their appeal after 35 seconds.
Thank you for your great comment. This is the way it should be done. If you told me you would not look at another of my Hub, I would feel sorry for you and me.
As we would both miss out. We need your thoughts.'
Again thank you.
50 million was given to Cricket Australia for rights to broadcast the match. If the match had not taken place then someone would want their money back. India being the powerhouse of cricket in terms of its finance while Australia currently being the finest team, something had to happen. It’s all probably a power tussle. Who knows?
The Baggygreen looks like it took a bettering this time round; at least off the pitch (most likely they might win this match as well). I wonder where I can buy a baggygreen cap-love the color.
They said it could not happen
The Australian Papers and the new broadcasts. Tell us that Australian Cricket has caved into the Indian Cricket board.
Complete vindication to The INDIANS
Even Peter Roebuck the Reporter who wanted Ponting's head on a charger, is telling the World about the money has won the game.
Did the World's best wicket keeper walk because he knew this was going to Happen?
The Australian team all had to agree to down grade their Charge.
What a shame for the game of Cricket.
Now the Head of the Indian Cricket Board,DiLip Vengsarkar
wants the head of Symonds on a charger. He thinks he should be made to forfeit some thing as well.
There is no Salt just raw money.
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MrMarmalade says:
6 months ago
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