America to Become Socialist?
75Cloward-Piven Manufactured Crisis Strategy
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Cloward_Piven Manufactured Crisis strategy
The fifty six men who signed the Declaration of Independence were hunted down and destroyed in various ways, although, according to Professor Brooke Hollow there was so exaggeration of their legends. Some were lawyers, merchants, and farmers. They knew that they might have to pay a high price for their liberty and for the "pursuit of happiness," which is the cornerstone of American society.
However, during the 19th and 20th century, European philosophers and theorists developed the socialist model and planned to overthrow the existing governments, which were, on the most part monarchies. In the 18th century, our leading intellectuals used The Rights of Man by Thomas Paine to write the documents that now form the basis of American society. The essential flaw of those documents was that it did not incorporate non-Caucasians nor women in its provisions of equality under the law. In other words, the Founding Fathers were slave holders who did not recognize equality regardless of race or gender.
Of course, the introduction of the concept of Equal Rights was introduced at the same time that the Industrial Revolution also opened new avenues of employment. Now, even though the slaves were set free, they were hardly equal because of the vicious Jim Crow laws that shackled African American economic development.
It wasn't until the 20th century, that the Civil Rights act was passed and Jim Crow laws became a thing of the past. Affirmative Action helped some previously denied opportunities to take full advantage of the American economy. However, as always, there were exceptions and it cannot be underestimated that African Americans, were still at a disadvantage socially and economically.
Now, because of the discrepancies in society, some activists advocate another economic and political solution, namely socialism. Karl Marx, of course is the leading philospher associated with this ideology of "redistribution of wealth".
Now, insidiously, over the past 30 years or so, liberals in the United States have been introducing legislation that will allow for more favorable conditions for the economically disadvantaged. Jimmy Carter signed the "Community Reinvestment Act" in order to allow marginalized people to obtain mortgages. During the Clinton administration, the CRA was enforced more, along with radical groups like ACORN that demonstrated in banks and even at bankers houses for more mortgages to low income people.
Now, in the early 70's there were two sociologists at Columbia who conceptualized a strategy whereby, socialism would actually become the defacto government. This was called the Cloward-Piven Manufactured Crisis strategy and is further described at American Thinker by James simpson.. Basically, the liberals keep adding "welfare" agenda, "goodwill" packages, give-away packages onto the financial burden of the system, so that finally it would collapse, much like what happened just recently in the Fall of 2008.
As a matter of fact, the financial crisis is most certainly the direct result of the failed policies of the Community Reinvestment act and the overburdened mortgage industry. According to the Cloward-Piven Strategy, the "cult" persona appears at the given time for the strategic regime change. So, after years of behind the scenes organizing, the financial system collapses, the Public becomes desperate for change and socialism is informally adopted, bit-by-bit, then installed as the favored model.
Meanwhile, we have historians who can give us many examples of the failed socialistic model. However, due to the fact that Americans have become somehow oblivious to History, they seem to be falling for the old carrot and stick approach of socialism. Thus we hear that some feel that "redistribution of wealth" will be the cure-all for their economic worries.
But we don't have to look too far to see that the Pres-elect Barack Obama's own South Side was in shambles when he got there and just as worse, if not worse, when he left. Will there be a regime change? They will try. There may be many forces, but, I believe, like our Founding Fathers, may will come forward to defend the American ideology and take it back from those who would seek to destroy it.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
Update as the dollar collapses 11/21/2009
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who was that philosopher?
Karl Popper. His critique of Marx was published as The Open Society and its Enemies.
I might also mention that, without having first read him, which I will do, that those forms of government that work in small countries may not be successful in a huge demographic like the USA. Furthermore, Obama has shown a troubling inability to deal with criticism or dissent, and as you may know as his first appointment showed clearly that he is not about "unity" by appointing Rahm Emmanuel as his chief of Staff. He also had "truth squads" during the election who confronted citizens questioning his platform and also had his minions try to discredit anyone and everyone who opposed him.
also since you live out of the country, you may not be aware of the cloud of secrecy around him and the numerous falsifications that he has made concerning his own biography and his former associations and ideological persuasions.
Obama has also lied extensively about his 15 year relationship with Bill Ayers. An FBI operative who infiltrated the weather Underground, Larry Grathwohl, reported that Ayers had no problem with the extermination of 25 million dissidents. What Ayers envisioned was camps in the Southwest for "re-education" and then extermination of those not considered re-trainable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_5MY59ENrc
And, furthermore, perhaps you haven't listened to the rantings of the man who paid for Obama's Harvard years??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJzU056ccV4
Also Karl Popper left communism because he saw his friends murdered. since the Weather Underground has already killed several innocent Americans and bombed the Pentagon, I think we can extrapolate Popper's decision to our decision to doubt the followers of Saul Alinsky, namely Obama.
Yes Obama is the puppet of Popper's student George Soros. Again actions speak louder than words and for that we would have to examine the rather clouded history of the infamous Soros, Nazi collaborator, investor "who broke the Bank of England." I think I would be suspicious of Soros, given the fact that England offered him asylum when he escaped from the Nazis. And this is the man you want me to trust?
I do live out of the country, but I've followed the election campaigns closely. I don't want to rake old coals, but most of the 'secrecy' and 'conspiracies' that you cite have been done to death on the Internet, by both sides. The birth certificate issue is a case in point. If interested in a quick intro to Popper, check out my Freedom From Belief hub.
Very true.
And there wasn't a socialist in the group of advisers that appeared with Obama at his first press conference: Paul Volcker, Jennifer Granholm, Pete Peterson, Warren Buffett, et al. All are strong supporters of our democratic, capitalist system.
we'll see. healthy scepticism of a man who is so secretive is a good idea. "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." Sun Tzu
Okay. First, Socialism, was an idea growing from distortions of Marx's book Dialectic Materialism published in 1848. The idea behind this original work was that the factory workers of the time were being badly oppressed by the factory owners. Marx was supported financially by Friederich Ingels, the heir to a massive factory fortune who agreed with Marx.
At the time they were right. The employment practices of factory owners of that time would result today in massive fines and jail time. That is not the case today. Marx's ideas were based around the workers having more rights, and being paid more as they did the most work.
Socialism was predicated in the early 20th century during the Russian Revolution. It was a distortion of Marx's writing by V.I. Lenin, the charismatic leader of the revolutionaries.
Socialism has proven to be less than viable in the modern world market place. There is no danger that the United States would actually become socialist.
Also recall that the welfare system as a career choice was done away with by a Democratic president, and the checks and balances in that system today are much greater than they were in the past.
You accuse liberals of manufacturing the current financial crisis, but the root of the crisis lies in Congress enabling credit card companies to double the minimums they charged in 2006, and the failure of overvalued, mortgage backed securities failing due to increasing mortgage defaults which a shrewd observer can tie directly to the first reason, the credit card increases, given. Both of these changes- the increase in the amount people had to pay for credit cards, and the de-regulation of the mortgage lending industry were direct results of Republican (Conservatives') policies in the marketplace.
I guess that's why Joe Biden's nickname is 'credit card Joe" and the "Senator from MBNA"
Obama got the 2nd highest amount of contributions from fannie and Freddie Mac, after Chris dodd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Bush tried to introduce regulations in 2003 and McCain in 2005 that would curb the mortgage practices. never made it out of the committee headed up by Chris Dodd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg
The CRA was first signed by Carter. There was a suit during the Clinton administration ad the Housing Sec Cuomos settled it by demanding that banks give mortgages to non-worty, or risky creditors. They knew that the system would collapse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
When asked to rein in the mortgage practices, Barney Frank Maxine Waters and Gregory Meeks flatly denied that there was any problem as lately as this summer.
ACORN actively intimidated banks to enforce the CRA to give mortgages to risky creditors and ACORN's trainer was Obama
As Smarticus mentioned in his comment, both sides of the House are culpible for the financial mess in which we find ourselves. However, true conservativism has been absent in DC since the 1980's and we are now reaping what we have sown.
I will not criticize Obama until I have sufficient reason. I cannot change the inevitable, his inaguration, and I will be the first to applaud him when he makes decisions I agree with. As much as I did not want him to be elected, it makes no sense to try to run him in the ground.
He will soon be my president, and I will pray for him every night, just like I did while Bush was in office. And I will make my opinions known when he acts in a way I don't agree with, just like I have while Bush was in office.
I'm hoping for the best and bracing for the worst.
thanks. I appreciate your coments. However, i think it is not entirely "inevitable' that he will be inaugurated, giventhe fact that he has not really proven that he ia a "natural born' citizen of the US and qualified to assume the office of the POTUSA.
He still has to answer the supreme court and Electoral college, as wellas the congress. It's not over until it's over.
I echo Audacious' thoughts. Well said.
Astrologically, we are about to slip into a cycle of catalytic change, and not the kind that Obama has been window dressing. At the end of this month Pluto transits back into Capricorn for its full ride through that sign. It does not travel ‘unarmed’. Government institutions, banks, authority figures, farms, and other indicators of Capricorn will be affected. You will watch those you would fully expect to defend the constitution to rip it apart. The recent Saturn Uranus opposition exact on election day will return on February 5th in the second of five passes. That is only four days ahead of the powerful eclipse on the 9th at 21 degrees on Leo. There will ocur major events in India, Burma and China. This dual configuration will also hit Obama’s chart while his natal Mars is opposed by transiting Uranus. All indicators of assassination attempts. This aspect also affects John McCain and his health could fail dramatically. Unfortunately I see the extraordinary circumstance of both presidential candidates dying soon. Both have planets posited at 22 degrees of Virgo. Transiting Uranus will move into the orb of opposition of that degree in December. In McCain's case the depression from the loss and the effects of the strain of the election effort will precipitate a heart attack. The planet involved for him is Venus, ruling his 1st house. For Barrack, the planet involved is Mars. The aspect involved sets off all of his astrological death indicators. The combination of Mars and Uranus could indicate sudden violent events. I don't expect him to survive. I see Biden taking office for the four year term.
Oh, great. There's no point in anyone casting a vote anymore because really everything's controlled by a frozen rock in an eccentric orbit around the sun. Proof required, please?
chiron, the only problem is that because Obama has been stonewalling us on his birth certificate, all the charts cast for him are from "dirty data". That is basically how I became involved with this in the first place. As far as the so-called birth certificate that he posted on the internet, that was dissected as being a photo-shopped birth COLB. BTW a COLB is very different from a birth certificate. We know there is a birth file on him in Hawaii, but according to Dr. Fukimo, director of Hawaiian Health Dept, that file has never been accessed. That more or less confirms what most of us believe and that is he was adopted and became an Indonesian citizen and his original file was sealed in Hawaii. He hasn't accessed it because it probably has his adopted name, Soetoro on it.
paraglider, one astrologer, Lynne Palmer predicted 9/11 on her almanac released in 2000
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/
Obviously you're a sceptic. Nothing can overturn that. however, I did notice on your profile page that you have a quotation from the Bhagavad gita. Astrology comes from the Vedas.
I am still not certain of the whole birth certificate matter will find resolution, but I do believe there may be a cover up involved. The irony of the governor of Hawaii sealing all of Obama’s records immediately after Obama’s visit to the island is without question suspicious. Not to mention the complete disregard team Obama has displayed to the allegations from Philip Berg http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie
Democrats will defend each other to their graves, and there are several examples of this penchant for protectionism among the Dems- so if Obama was not truly born in Hawaii there is no way the DNC will allow that fact to see daylight.
Dr Fukino said that the birth file had never been accessed. That means that all the so-called COLB's onthe internet on Obama's site were all frauds. I think the fact that Gov Lingle sealed the file was to prevent anyone from tampering with it, just in case the Supreme Court orders it or Judge Ayabe (Andy Martin's case) orders it to be presented.
According to API, there is an Aman who just snuck out of Kenya and is trying to get asylum in England and he supposedly has the birth record of Obama from Mombasa.
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/
But I don't have too much faith in API
Journalists have really fallen to such a low point. they only got half of the Hawaiian story, but I believe that Dr. Fukino did a great disservice in giving a statement of half-truths
I am weary of the industrial media complex. They are now an extension of the president and completely biased.
If only they had made the same effort to see that the Bush presidency was as successful as Chris Matthews has gone on record as saying he wants the Obama term to be. The hypocricy is so glaring that only the blind can ignore it (metaphorically speaking).
Congress may seek to silence dissent in talk radio, but they will not silence me.
Audacious has accurately discerned that my purpose was to point fingers at both sides of the aisle in Washington.
When it comes to mortgage regulation we need to be aware that there are two separate issues. Oneissue in regulation was firming up the requirements on borrowers, which Bush supported. The other is in lessening the requirements of lending institutions based on the amount of capital that had to be maintained to back the amount of loans extant at any given time. Bush supported partial de-regulation of this, as did several leading members of both parties. Why? Lowering this restriction (de-regulation) allows the publicly traded lending institutions to pay out greater dividends to their stock holders. Happy stock holders are willing to spend more money to purchase stocks, and increase investment capital in circulation.
If all the economic factors had remained relatively stable then the change on lender regulations would have had little effect, other than making some stockholders a lot happier. When you compound that with the part I mention next it was a disaster.
On the issue of the credit card companies, most people do not realize that this industry is the largest contributor to Congressional campaign funds by industry. As a result members of Congress give them no more than a cursory resistance when they want something, as in 2006 when they wanted to double the minimums they charged borrowers. Members of Congress, most of whom are independently wealthy and have no understanding of the struggles of everyday people, were easily convinced this would actually help every day American people rather than hurt them, the actual effect. The effect was that everyday people who had been able to make their payments, credit cards, car loans and mortgages, and still have enough to live on, suddenly found themselves having to choose which bills to pay and which to let laps as the amount required by the credit card companies doubled in a span of three months.
With predatory and unethical practices such as Universal Default a common tool of the credit card industry it is a shame that members of Congress from both parties have failed so drastically in their fiduciary responsibility to the American people.
that is why i think the Cloward-Piven Manufactured Crisis Strategy needs to be understood. The crisis has been orchestrated.
The Breaking of America by Democrats is not being accomplished as much in their tack on legislation in emergency bills as it is in the Military Budget.
When I first Joined the Navy personnel cost was less than half the budget. When I left in 2007 after nearly twenty years it was near 75 percent. The Dem's figured out a great way to break the system using the press and defense spending trust me it isn't Republicans tacking on the pork in Defense spending.
You make someone look bad who dare not to support troops, make it sound awful not to give them more say for their GI bill, housing, slash however many kids they can pop out.
The problem is so much money is spent on personnel cost's there is nothing left for operations, maintenance, and research into new weapon systems. Since congress decides end strength levels they pretty much force the Presidents hand. They have bled the country dry through the military. The funny thing is Most Republicans are too embarassed to not jump on the band wagon when their undying support for the troops is questions.
The military is now a near perfect state socialist system, even more grand than welfare. It was very sad to see in the end.
TMG
one of my suppositions for Pluto in Capricorn is a military usurpation over the administration to be.
{{one of my suppositions for Pluto in Capricorn is a military usurpation over the administration to be.}}
Do I read you correctly? - you're proposing, or at least countenancing, the US military effecting some form of coup to prevent a democratically elected administration from taking office? And excusing this attrocity by appealing to a lump of stone?
I simply pointed out that the last time Pluto was in Capricorn was during the American Revolutionary War. It is considered that Pluto is a planet that brings major changes in the sign in which it resides for approximately 16 years (it has an elliptical orbit). Since Capricorn is associated with institutions, other astrologers have deduced that the presence of Pluto in Capricorn during the American Revolutionary war stimulated entire scenario in which the patriots responded to "no taxation without representation."
It is also clear that the liberals and Mr Obama have some designs to "change" the system of government in the US.
One might then extrapolate that such a change would be met by a high degree of resistance from Americans who are reluctant to adopt this way of life.
At the present moment there are about a dozen or so peaceful lawsuits that are challenging Mr Obama's eligibility. The Electoral college meets on Dec 15th and the Congress must then ratify that vote before he is inaugurated on Jan 20th.
Mr. Obama has chillingly called for the establishment of a national civilian security force that would be answerable to him and this has also stirred much concern as it evokes memories of the brown shirts in 1933. The day after the election, there was an unprecedented purchase of guns, as Mr. Obama has also called for restricting the 2nd amendment. Additionally, Mr Obama's team has suggested that they may re-instate the "Fairness doctrine' which would be in keeping with the way they ran their campaign, stifling any and all opposition.
so, since he has alluded to restricting the 1st and 2nd amendment, Americn citizens have become suspicious of him. Additionally on top of that, Mr. Obama is a "man without a past"; his medical, school records, state Senate records and birth certificate have still not been released.
America isn't even remotely close to becoming a Socialist country. Right now Congress is shoveling taxpayer money into the coffers of banks and multinational financial institutions as fast as it can, and who decided to do this? Barack Obama? No,as I recall it was an idea put forth (hysterically and with a sense of ridiculous urgency) by George W Bush, Hank Paulson, and Ben Bernanke. Paulson is a Wall Street insider who keeps changing the game as he goes, defending his actions with the phrase "conditions on the ground are changing" as if we are talking about a war instead of total lack of transparency in the wholesale gutting of the national budget.
So if we're talking socialism, the only remote evidence for it here in America is the recent nationalization of the debts of the obscenely wealthy on the backs of the poor and middle class.
That said, I see nothing wrong with Democratic Socialism. I love Bernie Sanders, and I think the problem is more one of education here. People don't understand what they are talking about, and instead respond to fear mongering in an irrational and extreme way. That's what we really should be worried about--hysterical stupid people and their insane fears.
er....last I heard, Pluto had been divested of its planethood!!
Shalini - you're right. Pluto is no longer a planet and during the American Revolutionary War it hadn't even been discovered. That didn't happen until 1930. Apparently, such considerations don't count for a lot in Astrology :)
Excellent article, for those who say we are not close to being socialist I heartily disagree. Combining taxes and regulations together we live in a society where property is substantially controlled by government in other words socialism. Interestingly I came to the same conclusion that it is socialism that led to the financial crisis... It does in every country it has been tried usually worse than what has happened to us so far. I am surprised that many hubbers who like to sell things are also supportive of socialism. Selling is not compatible with socialist theory. And those who sell are not liked by inner party socialist elites.
Paraglider. You're hysterical. I suppose that in your scientific world, energies and entities have no power until they are discovered by the scientific community!!!!
Berrtus thanks for your comment. prehaps you would enjoy this excellent review of Socialism by J.Christoph Amberger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zg7sLExWK0
No of course not, but I'm willing to bet that during the American War of Independence there were plenty of Astrologers explaining everything perfectly well, to their own satisfaction, without the need for Pluto. How does that work???
Okay then your're willing to concede that another planet could have been the culprit for the american Revolutionary War?
Nope. I said "to their own satisfaction". The War of Independence, like the current financial melt-down, was the result of human actions. But I'll bow out of this, because there is no possibility of moving you. Astrology "explains" everything, so I can't win.
"Another planet the culprit for the american Revolutionary War"...you've gotta be kidding!
sure. The chart for Great Britain would have been based on the coronation of William I, December 25 1066 in Westminister. According to Noel Tyl http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/a_england.ht the Moon was in Pisces at the time of that coronation. If you look at the chart of the US at the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence (7/4/1776 2:17AM Benjamin Franklin signing), Saturn was transiting directly opposite prior to that time during the Revolutionary War. We have a saying in India, "when Saturn is in the 7th house, your partners divorce" Given that the American colonies were "partners" to England then the dis-union during the revolutionary War certainly led up to Independence.
culprit no. Indicative of a cycle in progress where the energy inherent in the planet's symbolism could influence specific charts. yes.
I have never been one to be into astrology. I don't know anything about it. I don't even know what my sign is. But I do recognize that what Obama is doing is trying to make us a socialist or even a communist state. I wonder if he will try to change the laws to where there will be no more elections so he never leaves office. He has already shown by what you said that he wants total control. That is not a democracy at all. He would love to make it to where there is no seperation of church and state. He'd love to be able to dictate what is preached in our churches. This indeed looks like a dark time to come in the United States. The election shows how many people he has snowed. It will be a rude awakening for those who voted for him.
chiron has said it above: what we will witness is "one of my suppositions for Pluto in Capricorn is a military usurpation over the administration to be."
Obama has admitted on his own website that he was a dual citizen at the time of birth. His father was from Kenya, which was a British colony at the time. so he may very well be a British subject. However, those files would be top secret for Britain. That is the basis for the lawsuit against Obama in NJ Donfrio v Wells. Leo c. Donofiro says that only natural born citizens and the "framers of the Constitution" would be eligible for POTUSA. Obviously, the Frames of the Constitution were British. That is why they made that one exception and grandfathered only themselves as being eligible for POTUSA. http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
chiron has said it above: what we will witness is "one of my suppositions for Pluto in Capricorn is a military usurpation over the administration to be." Obama admitted on his website that he was born with dual citizenship of Kenya 9which was a British colony at the time) That is the basis for the lawsuit in Donofrio v wells. Donofrio said in Article II that the Framers said that only "natural born and the Framers of the Constitution would be eligible to be POTUSA." http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
chiron has said it above: what we will witness is "one of my suppositions for Pluto in Capricorn is a military usurpation over the administration to be." Obama admitted on his website that he was born with dual citizenship of Kenya (which was a British colony at the time) That is the basis for the lawsuit in Donofrio v wells. Donofrio said in Article II that the Framers said that only "natural born and the Framers of the Constitution would be eligible to be POTUSA." Obviously the Framers were previously British. This is to prevent conflict of interest. http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
It's curious how the definition of the word 'socialism' varies so widely on different sides of the Atlantic. Some good old-fashioned European style Socialism would do America's poor and sick the world of good, but it isn't what Obama has on offer by any stretch. The man doesn't take the reigns for a few more weeks. Why don't you let him settle in before judging him?
You might get me to go along with insurance vouchers for the very most poor to purchase otherwise privatized insurance and even then it should be funded through charity. Rising heath costs are already caused by government interventiion and reducs access to the working poor. You have to be careful about creating niches they will be occupied eventually by parisitical phenomena. Sorry but that how nature works.
I'm listening now to a guy from Romania on http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/livejava.php and he had to escape from socialism and believe me, he doesn't sound like he liked the socialistic state. he just said that being dead was better than going back The host, Lan Lamphere, just asked him about Obambi and he said he is very worried. This caller is very worried about Obambi's agenda. He said he hopes the people wake up because freedom is so precious.
Amanda what you haven't heard is that Obambi wants to have a "civilian security force", reminiscent of the Brownshirts of Adolph.
Another thing you have to remember, is that even though this was an "historic" moment for a outwardly bi-racial person to become President of the U.S, according to researcher, Dr. Leroy Vaughn, M.D. Obambi is not the first bi-racial president. There have been five: Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Coolidge, and Harding. He did the genealogical research.
Also it is very ominous that there are no checks and balance for this Democratic agendas and that the Democrats have been trying to re-institute the "Fairness doctrine" which would suppress any opposition radioo.
Forty or 50 million Americans have no health insurance. Medical costs are the most frequent cause of bankruptcy in the United States. The U.S. spends much more on health care than the other advanced industrialized countries, but the statistics show that we get poorer results. Our system is broken and badly needs repair. Nearly everyone who has studied health care systems agrees that a universal, single payer health care plan is the most logical solution. However, this approach would likely be blocked by the politically influential and profit-oriented health insurance and drug companies. That's why Obama is likely to propose a mixed public-private system which would allow a continued role for private, for-profit health insurance companies.
We already have a functioning government, single payer health insurance plan. It's called Medicare. The most logical approach to fixing our system would be to gradually, over a five or ten year period, extend Medicare to the rest of the population, beginning with children, the unemployed, single parents and continuing until everyone is covered. Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen. Senator Kennedy has announced that he intends to move forward on health care. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with. We should all keep our fingers crossed and hope for a miracle.
I hope someone is a bit more of an expert on the insurance issue than me but I think Medicare is already immensely costly and one of the reasons non Medicare health care costs are so high. As soon as some care is socialized the price goes up for everyone else. Once you decide to steal money from those who don't agree with you to pay for your ideas you have committed a moral wrong. Negative consequences will follow. I suggest vouchers for the very poorest to seek private insurance. As costs come down insurance would become affordable. Lets not forget the governments role in the high prices.
"You have to be careful about creating niches they will be occupied eventually by parisitical phenomena."
You mean parasites like drug manufacturers and insurance companies?
I have a friend from Canada. She had a sinus headache for days so she went to see a doctor. Because they have the health care like Obama wants, it took her 4 weeks to see a doctor. By then, she no longer had only a sinus headache but a case of double pneumonia. The doctors told her it would have been prevented had she been seen earlier. She moved here to the US for our better health care, now Obama gets elected. Needless to say, she's not happy as she knows what we are headed toward.
Primary care doctors are exiting the system in droves. ER's can't handle the press. Indigents crowd the waiting rooms. That is happening now. What do you expect will happen when Wall Street continues to crash and the auto companies go bankrupt? The chain reaction will continue to be a tsunami. The tire manufacturers, the glass manaufacturers, etc. etc. and on and on. Hospitals continue to close and the government is in debt up to its eyeballs. Obama has no easy options, except to get us further into debt. Psychics Elizabeth Joyce and Michelle Whitedove are each predicting similar events at the time of the transition. Nothing good.
Everybody has a scare story about Canada. Listen, I was in the hospital in the U.S. for two days WITH insurance in May because of severe chest pains and it cost over $15,000. I was left with a four figure bill to pay AFTER the insurance paid, and no diagnosis, and no treatment plan--the hospital said that their only job was to rule out a heart attack, and that they had ruled it out as much as they could, but that didn't mean I couldn't still have one the minute I got home, so "be sure to follow up with your doc and come back if you keep over before then." Nice.
I can't pay the bill I'm left with (they want the money immediately, even though I was taken to the emergency room by my employer and didn't have any other choice) and now I can't afford the follow-up care either. The remainder is now in collections and they refuse to make payment arrangements, which seems kind of like cutting off their nose to spite their face, but, whatever.
So for me, Canada sounds pretty good right now.
As to our health care system--hospitals cannot raise prices fast enough to keep up with their rising costs due being swamped by the uninsured and under-insured. Our local hospital is near bankruptcy as are many others. We'll be seeing lots of hospital closings very soon if something isn't done. It's a national crisis.
for any one reading now tonight there will be an announcement by lawyer Leo Donofrio on http://www.lanlamphere.com/audio/livejava.php
about the fact that the 9 Supreme court Justices will hold a conference on Dec 5th regarding obama's eligibility to be POTUSA
The devils greatest lie was convincing the world he didn't exist. Obama is no socialist. He is of the wealthy ruling class and he is a fascist. The Nazi's called themselves socialist, but they were pure fascist's plain and simple.
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/underst
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of
These are long reads but pretty much as accurate as I have found.
TMG
so true. they will never suffer like the masses. However, obama is about to get the boot before the electoral College meets. SCOTUS will meet in confeence on a lawsuit alleging that Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be POTUSA. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com Obama, by his own admission was born a British subject.
SCOTUS will meet Friday, dec 5th. There will be a vigil of thousands outside the supreme court. if you live in the area, perhaps you wold lke to go.
Okay folks, The President is not let me repeat this IS NOT elected for life. There is an election every 4 years and if something is not right with who is (trying to become a socialist for an example)elected we vote them out. We sould be more worried about the fact that Communist China in fact OWNS Capitalist America. Look around your house and see what was made here in the USA. I hate the fact that so much has left our shores.
He'll be out before that. Judge David O Carter has ordered "expedited discovery", has set a trial date for Jan 26, 2010, and Lucas Smith has sworn an affidavit pertaining to the Kenyan Obama birth certificate that he presented to Judge Carter's court. This is the "constitutional eligibility" case representing Dr. Alan Keyes and a number of military officers. Obama is a sleepr agent trying to destroy the US from within. Canada Free Press has also just posted a breaking story that they have documents showing that Nancy Pelosi falsified information to at least 49 states regarding Barack Obama.
But you're right. the ommunist Chinese flag is flying outside the WH from 9/20/09 tp 10/20/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-6EAec15dk
Most of these comments were made 2 months to 12 months ago. Just curious to what you all think now?
Hi Kim thanks for stopping by. I've used your video in an update. Unfortunately, people did not examine Obama very well. He was raised Communist by his mother
Paraglider says:
14 months ago
One of the greatest philosophers of the 20th Century wrote a devastating critique of Marxism, Communism and Totalitarianism. The same philospher described himself as a Democratic Socialist and considered the Social Democracies of Western Europe to be the best compromise yet found between extremes of all sorts. Looking at America from a European perspective, it is hard to understand the morbid fear of anything even slightly left of centre. It's almost as if, in some minds, McCarthy lives on. If you haven't already found them, I suggest you seek out Tom Mullen's hubs. You could spend many happy hours agreeing with each other ;)