An open letter to Jamie Diamond, President of Chase Bank
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Usury Laws and Conscience
Are you for or against Chase customers?
Jamie Dimon, President; Executive Office; 9900 Katy Fwy.; Houston, TX 77055
Dear Mr. Dimon, -- Is that pronounced demon or diamond?
We do all of our banking at Chase and have for years. The location of your bank is close to our grocery store and it's well, convenient. The employees all smile and help us out when they can. I've been told they have access to some figure that tells them just how much they can help us, based on how much money we have contributed to the bottom line of your bank. I guess this contribution determines how much they smile or whoosh me out the door.
I think usary is despicable, don't you? I guess charging huge fees for banking services isn't like credit card interest rates, but in the end, both hurt the consumer and create funds for executive compensation.
I understand that at a March speech to the US Chamber in Washington D.C. you said, "companies need to start doing the right thing before a crisis." Is this a promise to your customers that you will do the right thing by us? Because the middle class is beginning to crumble, attempting to bear the weight of all these economic policies. And your bank, Chase Bank, is not working on our behalf either.
It's always about the corporate bottom line, not about those of us at the bottom, attempting to maintain like Atlas.
I have weak upper body strength.
Sincerely,
Barbara Nobody
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As we write checks and use our debit cards this holiday season, banks are forcing some of us to overdraw more often by clearing the largest transactions first, instead of processing them in the order they come in.
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Online letter from a former employee
This Hub began with a personal complaint, of course. Isn't this how all research begins? As a result of personal experience generating curiosity? I discovered, through much fault of my own, that Chase and other banks process the largest debit to come through a bank account FIRST. In my case, this meant I bounced four tiny debit charges under $10, which cost me $177. It ate up my household budget for two weeks generated by my husband's unemployment check.
Why would a bank pay the largest check first, I wondered? Especially considering the debit charges came through days before the check presented? There has to be a logical reason. Because from my perspective, it appears that paying the largest check last would have cleared the first four debits, resulting in my paying a $35 fee instead of a $140 fee.
Yes, I know I shouldn't have attempted to spend money I didn't have. This is a given. But there are times when such mistakes happen. What I am concerned with is the heavy penalty paid when such mistakes are made. Because I am not the only one who is living on an exceptionally tight budget these days. Recovery for the average and below average American will be never, if we cannot climb out of this deep hole together.
So, googling on it, I came upon a new concern. Read this letter from a former employee of Chase...
ant3982 said, in January 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm at chase-sucks.com:
I had a customer come in that had $1,400... yes $1,400 in overdraft fees. Where as most banks have a cap on how much they can charge you... not Chase. Chase encourages us to encourage everyone to use their debit card until it's worn out. Yet, when you have no money left in your account, they still let you use it... The reason being, it's $35 each time you use money that's not in your account!!
I had a customer come in on the brink of tears. This wasn't the first time Chase charged him overdraft fees. Only this time it was $1,400. He wanted to close his account, and write a letter to the New York State Banking Commission (which is what I recommend everyone on this site does to their state banking commissions). Being the good employee I had always been told I was, and how "valuable" I was to my branch, I figured I'd do what they taught us in training and say "What can I do to help you, and prevent you from closing the account" The customer said he would keep the account open if I waived some of the fees associated with the account. His whole paycheck for 2 weeks was gone when they charged the fees, and he couldn't afford to pay his rent for the month. At that point, I refunded $200 worth of fees, while the bank YTD had charged him over $2,000.
Chase actually has it in the systems; a calculation showing how profitable the bank is over each particular customer and household. (I recommend any customers go into a branch and demand to see how much they've made off of you) We were definitely profitable with this one, so I had a "justified" reason to waive the fees.
Either way, my branch manager came over to me and asked me to explain the situation, and without hesitation decided to give me until 2PM to pack my desk up, and either resign or be terminated.
As a Chase customer, I can verify $35 per overdraft. If a person was unfortunate enough to write eleven checks in one day and have only the largest check clear the bank, it would be possible to bounce ten small checks for $350 in total fees, plus owe the bank $100 to cover what was purchased. A consumer who is already struggling or who has creditors delaying payment due to problems of their own winds up in a financial hole that could take weeks to straighten out. Maybe in the case of the very poor, months or worse.
Isn't this excessive in an economy where we are bailing out the big players? We give the executives who fired struggling employees compensation packages in the millions. This is certainly not ethical nor even logical.
What do you think?
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Chase Bank in the News
- Woman Killed During High Speed Chase After Corinth Bank RobberyEyewitness News Memphis3 days ago
A woman is dead after police say she and a man robbed a Corinth bank then took off, leading police on a high speed chase.
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- Bank robbery leads to deadly high speed chaseMobile Press-Register3 days ago
CORINTH, Miss. -- Police say a woman was killed and a man injured after they were ejected from their vehicle following a high speed chase that began with the robbery of a Corinth bank.
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This also is a regular occurrence at Bank of America. They would also occasionally show on statements a higher "available balance" along with every transaction cleared. One thing they did not mention was that a few of those transactions had not been taken off of the available balance. That is until months later when this money was dipped into, then they would also use the largest debit first. When cornered they would eventually admit that it was some "error" as to why the money was not taken out of the available balance, but refused to waive the extra fees. We went elsewhere. We are happy with out small bank, but it will get bought out by some large predator.
Thanks for your comments Blake and Paper Moon. I spoke with my sister who lives in a small town. She once bought a car in Minneapolis by calling her bank in Missouri and asking if they'd cover a check she wrote, paying off the new Ford van in full. They said, "Sure! We'll deal with it when you return home." Perhaps moving to a small town where the banker's kids frequent your library and his wife buys gas from your husband isn't a bad idea after all. I've heard fidelity banks are more user friendly. I plan to check into it. If I discover anything, you can bet I will share on HubPages! Thanks again for stopping by and sharing your humor and insight.
I used to like Chase. They were the one financial institute I never had issues with for years....until they bought Washington Mutual. I was elated Chase bought WAMU as I was at the point of wanting to close out my credit card accounts and had already closed banking accounts with WAMU.
To my surprise Chase took on the WAMU attitude and began the same sneaky fee tactics and increase in rates. I wrote several letters to Chase regarding this issue without a response and have since closed all my accounts with them.
The banking industry is at war with their customers and will continue until the new credit card bill goes into effect. Until then...they will show no mercy.
Disgusted, your experience tells me buckets. That is so, so sad! I was told that fidelity banks were more customer friendly. Have you any experience with these institutions? Thanks so much for sharing this tale of woe. I am shocked, frankly. Sometimes I write Hubs hoping I am the anomaly. Wishing someone would write and say, NO! You are wrong!
Hey, I keep getting this broken link message. If any of you have problems with the last link titled, "Banks cash fat checks first" please let me know. The link reads okay when I click on it under the edit mode. thanks!
One more bunch of banksters! Keep after 'em!
Cute Ralph! I will go for it.
My sentiments exactly! I'm tired of banks and credit card companies encouraging us to spend and then charging us fees and penalties for doing it. Why don't they just put a hold on the account when it is out of money? Because that wouldn't be as profitable. Also, there's no incentive to cut fat executive pay and bonuses when government bailouts are always waiting to help them out.
I am working on a new perspective regarding money, summed up in my new hub "Money is Love." I am shifting my focus away from banks and towards alternative ways of working with money. I have asked all my helper bees both physical and metaphysical to come to my aide. Wish me luck, lol.
My son had overdrawn $1.70. He moved a couple of times and had no idea that he was overdrawn at his bank. They called one day and said that he owed them $740.00. This had been about three years ago. Since then, they sent letters, made calls and finally turned it over to a collection agency. My son refused to pay such a rediculous amount.
They don't call anymore. He never paid it and never will. If they ever, ever pull that crap on me....I will pay them in live chickens who have just been fed ex-lax. Just venting. Thanks...great hub! :)
I'm totally with ya. This is just despicable. And honestly, how ridiculous to think that someone who overdraws their account can turn around and afford fees 10x more than the overdraft? I'm no economist, but that just does not compute for me.
The mattress is looking safer and saner by the minute!
Hope you find some good Money Is Love alternatives. And share them with us! MM
Mighty Mom, we think alike. As I was reading all of this I was thinking it sure looks like it's time to switch to cash in the mattress. A friend of mine told me they also run all the checks through at her bank before the deposits. She also said the checks are run as a total. If the total doesn't clear, they bounce them all. That isn't right!
I wish you all- and me- luck!!! Thanks for your comments. Keep in touch.
Tom, you truly made me LAUGH!!!!!! Sorry if it was at your son's expense.
Lots of love to you all.
Thus the reason that I am currently writing a series of articles on banking practices based on when I was a banking center manager for 5 years. I am fed up with the system too!
Jjustice, I would like to read your articles. If they are not on the Hubpages, please let us all know where to find them. Thanks!
great hub Storytellersrus -I belong to a community owned banking institution - a member owned credit union in fact - where the people come first not the money nor the bottom line - they have helped me out a few times over the years and i am happy with them - unfortunately they too charge the $35 for going over the fund limit but if they are in the wrong you can talk to them and they will refund. They actually do what the banks should do -operate to help people, Not like the greedy banks which gain expontentially in every to Christmas via the ripping off of the bank depositors with their personal green-back skimming income-grabbing mitts!.....cheers
sorry storytellersrus - left out a part of the phrase "Not like the greedy banks which gain expontentially in every which way to Christmas - via the ripping off of the bank depositors with their personal green-back skimming income-grabbing mitts!.....cheers
Thanks for the correction, ajcor, and for the comment period. Sounds like a good direction to go as far as banking.
Yep. Between Chase and Goldman Sachs, they are ALREADY more powerful than most governments. They run the country and own the politicians. Don't know if you saw this article
http://nashville.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories
In the past year $24 BILLION in OVERDRAFT fees. Wow! Where's the outrage? Where's the media?
In his pocket of course.
YES GURU! I couldn't help copy a large portion of the article you cited. THANKS!!! OMGosh!!!
"Banks and credit unions have become so sophisticated in driving up overdrafts that Americans now pay more in overdraft fees every year than they do for books, cereal or fresh vegetables," Leslie Parrish, the center’s senior researcher, said in a news release.
The study, which is based on data from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., estimated that 51 million Americans paid overdraft fees in the past 12 months.
It is now standard practice for most banks and credit unions to automatically enroll customers in their most expensive overdraft loan program – generally at a cost of $34 per overdraft, according to the study.
And, while banks say the overdraft protection program is designed to help customers from bouncing checks, the nonprofit research group found that such fees generally are not caused by checks, but by debit card transactions and ATM withdrawals, which could simply be denied with no fee charged.



















Blake Flannery says:
6 months ago
Luckily I have avoided the overdraft fees. I do believe that Chase is going to eventually take over the world. I can't believe how many branches there are. It's just a matter of time until they are stronger than the world governments, and then we will all become slaves. But hey, at least we'll have free direct deposit checking and online bill pay. Who could ask for anything more. They'll probably take away the $100 for switching from another bank when there aren't any other banks. Even the oil guys will be paying overdraft fees, which might make us feel good at first. I guess eventually we will all have to go to Boston harbor and throw our check books into the ocean and declare our "Freedom." After all isn't that their slogan?