Can't Sit Under That Apple Tree
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When I think of apple trees, the sound of music comes alive within my mind. It's the voice of my father singing the 1940s tune, "Don't Sit Under The Apple Tree."
"Don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me 'Til I come marchin' home . . . . "
When my dad was belting out that tune as we drove down the road, I don't think either of us dreamed that it was the apple trees that might not come marching home. Many apple trees have gone to the burial place of unknown soldiers of the apple, in silent nameless graveyards across the world, as more and more old varieties die out, particularly in America.
You can't sit under that apple tree variety that no longer exists.
Sam H. Stept - Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree
Popularized by both the Glenn Miller Band and the Andrews Sisters, the song, "Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree," was the 1942 Hit Parade song from the movie, Private Buckaroo. Sam H. Stept wrote both the music and the words.
Good News/Bad News
The myth that apple seeds have arsenic in them is just a myth. That’s the good news.
However, apple seeds do contain cyanide. That’s the bad news. The good news on that, is it would take a bushel of apple seeds, all eaten at once, to do you in.
(That's eight gallons for those of us who have forgotten how many dry gallon measures a bushel).
On the Family Apple Tree
In a previous hub, I talked about how in the United States, over six thousand and eight hundred known varieties of apples have disappeared. I also discussed why we need to make a final try to identify forgotten and missing ones, and rescue the remaining ones -- from eventual extinction.
One of the unique things about apple trees is that each of the apples hanging on the apple family tree, if they are grown from seed, are as different from their parent trees and siblings, as our finger prints are to another's -- even if we look similar to our family members on the outside.
Going even further, by growing apples from seed, by the time they have their first fruit (four to five years) taste-wise, the apples may be only appealing to wildlife, or only suitable for making wine or cider.
So, because of this, most choose to propagate a variety of apple via grafting, or by buying commercial nursery stock apple trees. However, you can easily grow apples from seeds. It’s a long shot that you would come up with a new variety, which some people do -- because there are great financial gains in coming up with one that commercial growers like.
It’s also a risk, in that maybe out of a thousand apple trees you grow from seed, perhaps only one will be unique enough, to be that “hot” new apple variety. There are organizations who are devoted to developing new apple varieties, such as some of the links I’ve listed below.
That said, if you a good bit of land or even a small lot, and especially if you have kids -- the experience of growing an apple trees from seed can be most rewarding. They are beautiful and fragrant when they are in bloom, require little care once established, and make a nice addition to your landscape.
Don't waste your time trying to find a place to buy apple seeds online. They aren't sold. You have to eat the apple to get the seeds.
One simple process for starting apple trees from seed, is to chill your apple seeds, wrapped in a damp paper towel, inside a plastic bag or container, for about six weeks. It's important to know from the start that only about a third of the apple seeds will germinate.
Next, place them in some damp peat moss in a small pot or container, and place them in the sun or windowsill (depending upon your climate). Keep them moist. Then, plant them in the ground, when they are about ten inches high in the sunniest place you have.
Planting an apple tree via the seed method, will mean that it will take a good six to ten years before you get more than a handful of apples on your tree annually.
Another thing to consider, if you decide to go the seed route with apples, is that your tree will very likely be a giant tree or revert to being a crab apple tree.
Now, in old-time cookbooks, there are a lot of recipes for crabapples. Otherwise,they are very useful to have in your orchard, if you have a backyard habitat of deer and others, in attracting them to your property and being able to observe and photograph them (as well as feed them).
Don't Sit Under That Apple Tree - Andews Sisters
So What Is The Best Way to Start An Apple Tree?
Originally, apple trees only came from seed germination (pips). Think of them like you would of a dumb terminal in the computer world -- just a host for the mother computer.
If you’ve found an old variety of apple and want to replicate it, and help save it from extinction, the best way to do this is by grafting.
Is there another word for grafting?
Cloning, if you really think about it. You are making a genetic copy. That's pretty exciting, being an amateur scientist in your own backyard.
Lots of people think that grafting is difficult. It really isn’t, although it requires a good bit of patience. By this method, you’ll get that same great apple from the really old tree you’ve either found, always known, or admired.
I'm going to follow up with a separate hub on grafting, as while it is easy, there are several methods and it will require some illustrations. I have included a couple of grafting videos lower in this hub to show it's relative ease.
Aside from that, you can buy new apple trees from a variety of sources, both online and at your local nurseries. Many of them will sell the dwarf size apple trees in a bigger variety than full size apple trees.
Rind Grafting - Fruitwise Apple Tree
Crab Apple Jelly (1874 recipe)
This four step crab apple jelly recipe came from the diary of Margaret Ann Todd of Louisiana, Missouri.
- Four cups of crabapple juice
- Bring to boil
- Add four cups sugar
- Boil additional twenty minutes
More Apple Facts
- It is believed that the crab apple may be the only apple variety native to North America.
- While apples are commercially grown in thirty-six states, they are still grown in all fifty states.
- Apples are one exceptionally healthy choice, as they are cholesterol free, fat free, and sodium free.
- An apple of medium size is roughly eighty calories.
- In the 1990s wild apple trees across central Asia were tapped for grafts, genetic material and root stocks in hopes of helping the apple industry.
- Apples float because they are one fourth made up of air.
- The record for the largest apple is one that weighed just over three pounds.
- Red apple color always comes from sunlight, trees growing in shade, don’t turn red when they ripen.
- Apples have been known to man since prehistoric days.
- Only oranges are above apples in popularity as a fruit in the United States.
- The oldest variety of apple is believed to be the “Lady” (aka “Api”).
- President George Washington was a pomologist and loved pruning his trees.
- Green apples aren’t affected by sunlight quite the same way that red color apples are.
- Eat your apple peels, don’t peel them. They are your best defense in terms of fiber and antioxidants.
- Six states -- California, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Washington, are the top apple producers. However, apples are grown in all states.
- There are only seven thousand five hundred commercial apple growers in the U.S.
- The average commercial apple orchard is roughly only fifty acres in size.
- Apples must still be picked by hand.
Inside the Apple
There are five seed pockets (carpels) in each apple. Each of them house seeds. The number of seeds within each pocket is determined by the health of your apple tree and the variety of apple you are growing.
Having A Long Apple Tree Life
I guess most of us would be surprised to think that the apple seed we plant, or variety we graft, it going to outlive us. Apple trees can expect to live to one hundred, and in some cases they can live twice as many years.
Because of their longevity, and our lesser life expectancy -- we need make certain decisions when we plant them. Some of us, especially if we are older to begin with, when we decide to start a new apple tree, might want to consider grafting to a dwarf variety.
Ask yourself if it is really sensible to be climbing on ladders leaning against a tree when you are a senior citizen?
Think of this -- an apple tree can grow to be over forty feet high. This is the reason many commercial growers use dwarf apple tree varieties.
Like most of us, when we age, we don't get prettier in the process. Ancient apple trees can even be hollow inside, and still be alive and producing fruit. Sort of like, active seniors who don't let old age limit them.
Like us, when we reach a certain age, we stop re-producing. Apples too, stop bearing fruit at some age (usually because they lack a companion pollinating tree, that may have died or been removed).
The Apple And Your Life
Most of us have heard about how good apples are for us, yet few of us know that the best part, health-wise of an apple, is the outside peelings.
The peel is known to reduce the risk of diseases, such as:
- Lung cancer
- Heart disease
- Breast cancer
- Colon cancer
- Strokes
It all has to do with fiber content found in the peel which has anti-cancer effects.
If You'd Like to Know More!
- Cummins Nursery | Home Page
- Heirloom Apples Trees
- MidFEx presents Gene\'s Backyard Orchard (Introduction) - 97 dwarf apple trees in 2500 square feet
Learn the secrets of growing 97 dwarf apple trees (93 varieties) in a 50-foot backyard. Both a How To guide and a virtual tour of an amazing orchard. - NAFEX - North American Fruit Explorers
- Stark Brothers Nursery - Apples
- The oldest apple tree in Britain?
Apple Grafting Commericallly - California
Can't Sit Under That Apple Tree in the News
- Top off your meal with seasonal desserts using apples and pearsDaily Record1 second ago
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- Apples are as tempting as they are sweetThe Lafayette Daily Advertiser1 second ago
There is perhaps no food that is more symbolic or emblazoned on our social consciousness than apples. After all, one of the earliest stories about mankind is Eve's fall from grace by eating a piece of fruit, which many believe to be an apple, from the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. And, as Isaac Newton found out, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, right?
- Apples are as tempting as sweetOpelousas Daily World1 second ago
There is perhaps no food that is more symbolic or emblazoned on our social consciousness than apples.
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NIce hub,
I have two old apple trees that produce well, but the fruit is always wormy, so I don't do much with it. These trees are old and need come down. I am looking at replacing them with some new trees. Do you have a suggestion on a good apple tree that the fruit does not get so wormy?
Thanks Bruce Elkin! There are times when that song echoes through my memory too including Glenn Miller's band playing it. Born in 1949 it's amazing to me how much of our parents music was just as important as our own generations.
Thanks eovery! Maybe it might be that you need to get to the cause of the wormy problem, rather than get rid of the trees. Do you know what insect is causing it? I'm partial to the dwarf heirloom varieties and have had good luck in the past with ones from Stark Bros. in Missouri.
eovry, get with your county agent and he will assist you with your worm problem. Spray, not a pesticde.
Jeri, another great read. Also apple trees are good sources for morel mushrooms that like to grown under them, especially old trees and orchards. I plan on doing a hub on them soon. They say the year after an apple tree is cut down expect morels. But we always find morels around them anyway. I plan on planting some apple trees in my backlot along with my paw paws. We have a few old ones and crabapple too.
Thanks C.C. Riter! Great advice for eovery. I wasn't aware of the morel mushroom - apple tree connection. I'll look forward to your hub on morels. They are the only mushroom I let my husband still pick after his poison mushroom experience which I wrote about in a previous hub. Am also going to do a family orchard hub in the coming weeks that you might enjoy.
I'll be looking for that for sure. Morels are safe and one can buy them online, fresh in season or dried or both at fine grocery strores. They ae good keepers too. I love apples. I should be getting paw paws too here in a year or two.
I was surprised to learn that varieties of apples are disappearing. Maybe I am an apple novice, but I am always amazed at the new, novel types I see in the grocery stores -- and yes, I live in California, so that might be part of it.
Thanks for educating us, Jerilee!
Thanks Mighty Mom! In marketing, certain geographic locations are known for having an abundance of "early adopters." As a native Californian I'd fit in the same category and know that is where you are most likely to see new varieties introduced before the rest of the country follows.
What commercial growers are introducing are genetically tinkered with varieties. I'm more in favor of re-introducing or finding truely new varieties of apples.
Thank you for sharing this hub about apple trees. I have grown up around apple orchards all my life and never knew anything about them. Very interesting.
Thank you for the information on starting the seeds. We will try it! I have apple seeds saved and the kids have been begging to start something growing -- anything.
Many thanks...really enjoyed the read...and the music.
Thank you very much for the information packed HUB
I spend quite a lot of my time in Kent, and have done since I was a child. It's not known as "the garden of England" for nothing, and it's packed with orchards. I love apple trees, and apples as well!
Great hub, again!
Great Hub! Very interesting facts about apple trees and various ways to grow them Jerilee!
OMG there was so much in here which I didn't know before. I knew apples were good for health but for so many reasons....I didn't know that.
'...Eat the apples and get the seeds.' that was a lovely one. Thx for a great hub (as always).
I learned a lot about apples and enjoyed the music. Thanks for this beautiful hub.
Jerilee, thanks for including the tips for growing apple trees from seeds. Bow and Sword and I may try this in the spring. I am hoping to get Bow more interested in growing his own food. I want to teach him that while food DOES grow on trees, it's a good idea not to destroy the trees. Do you think an apple tree could grown in a planter for several years before being planted outdoors?
I had to laugh when you mentioned that being fat free was one of the health benefits of apples. Being fat free is not a plus in my book! However, I tend to think that apples are good despite the fact that they are fat free!
Some great information. I wandered around an apple orchard in high school and munched my way through a pleasant time.I'm sure you know that the history of apples and apple trees goes back farther than Alexander the Great.
Thanks kristine mac; Christa Dovel; Peter Dickinson; Muthsusamy R; DarleneMarie; anjalichugh; and franciaonline!
Thanks LondonGirl! You know it might be interesting for those of us across the pond, to hear about those orchards in Kent and maybe see some pictures. Many Americans have no idea of what's beyond their borders.
Thanks Aya! Apple trees and other fruit trees can be easily and preferably in some cases started in pots. Make sure they are well drained and I would put them on castors (rollers) which are sold cheap at wally world so that you can move them around with ease.
I might do a hub on teaching children how to grow money via growing plants and trees. It's something I've done with my granddaughter and it was very rewarding. Kids and growing their food go hand-in-hand joyfully.
I'm jealous because I used to be like you, couldn't gain weight or keep it on, then had an accident that kept me in a wheel chair for months and have had the opposite issue ever since.
Thanks jkfrancis! Evidence of apple trees and man's association have been dated back to pre-historic times in cave drawings and human remains.
I didn't know we've lost so many species of apples! That's really depressing! Good hub; interesting how to grow your own.
Madison
Thanks Madison Parker!
Jerilee, I'm not one of those people who don't gain weight no matter what they eat. I was, in my twenties, when my staple food was roast beef. Then in my thirties, I moved to Houston, where there were quite a number of good bakeries. I gained twenty pounds on bread alone! In my forties, I found that I can have a reasonable balance if I keep to a high fat diet. Lots of meat, chicken, nuts, fish, but no bread or white potatoes. Under this regimen, I can eat as much as I want and still maintain a reasonable weight. Despite the fact that apples don't fall into the high fat food category, I eat quite a lot of them. It's because they have relatively few calories for the amount of space they take up in my belly that this indulgence in a food laced with fructose doesn't upset my applecart!
Thanks Aya! Apples have too many anti-cancer, heart disease, etc. attributes to not be a part of everyone's daily diet.
I was so skinny for most of my life I used to go to extremes trying to gain weight. As a young woman and wife, it bothered me a lot that I had no curves. Now, I've got quite a few I'd gladly give away. Keep eating apples!
What a fantastic hub and so LONG, I can see you've put a lot or work into this and it is very interesting and such a worthwile cause with the family anecdotes adding as much to the flavour as the apples. Well done
Thanks,
My old trees are old and big, I think they are too big and need to come down.
some old timers told me to get some buckets of sugar water hung in the trees and the bugs will go for that in instead of the apples. But the apples are very tart, and not too great for eating, but they do great for pies and apple crisp.
Thanks katyzzz! My hubs are LONG by design as with a market analyst's background, it has to do with a theory of mine, that seems to be working, at least for me. Actually, not a lot of work, just making sure that the content is original adn gives the reader something of substance.
Thanks eovery! Well, this is just my opinion, but I'd hope that when you are old and too big, no one wants to take you down. Actually, sounds like your trees, need pruning and are ideal candidates for you to use as hosts for grafting of a sweeter variety.
Terrific hub, Jerilee. I love a good apple, but you hooked me with this great rendition of "Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree..." with the fantastic Andrews Sisters and poor Shemp Howard of the Three Stooges getting whacked around by LaVerne, Patty and Maxine. I had to sing the song to my kindergarten class at No. 9 School in Yonkers in 1941. Thumbs Up!
Thanks William F. Torpey! I wasn't born until 1949 but my Irish crooner of a dad always sang tunes from that era and even in the 1950s they were popular enough to be paper doll subjects for young girls like myself.
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Bruce Elkin says:
10 months ago
Wow! What a great hub. Not only is through and very well written, it brought great memories of my mother flooding back in, just thinking about the song "Don't sit under the apple tree", which was one of her faves, and then hearing the Maguire Sisters sing it. Wow, music really can stimulate memories. Thanks so much!