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Child support here in America is just one more of the systems we have in place that are meant to help and often don't. I first filed for child support when my oldest was 3 and my youngest was 18 months old. It was pretty easy, as the county system will do all the legal paperwork in court for you. Then if your child's other parent won't pay voluntarily, they will garnish their wages for you. This is of course assuming that the other parent works for an employer, and/or keeps a job long enough to collect anything. After the legal and financial paperwork came back, I was told that my children were only worth a whopping $130.00 a month. That's funny considering it cost me more than that in food alone for them a month. I was shocked. I have a close friend who has three girls by the same dad, and gets $700 a month for them! How are my children worth so much less than her three girls?
Well, what I didn't realize is this. It doesn't matter the "actual" cost of raising children, or the cost of living in the area you live with the children. It only matters how much the other parent makes, minus if they have any other new children, minus them being the sole supporter of their new family. After all that, your children get the crumbs that are left. It doesn't matter if your children are the first fruits of your ex's loins, he can go on having more kids and it just takes away from the children he left you with. And God forbid he tries to beat the system by becoming solely self-employed, becoming a full-time student, or changing jobs so frequently that they can't catch up to him fast enough to take your child support. In those cases, you are left with getting a check once a year if they can intercept a tax refund on your behalf. And that's if he actually does his taxes and doesn't owe the IRS instead.
Needless to say, the way they calculate how much child support each non-custodial parent should pay needs an overhaul. How is it fair to suggest that some children are more valuable than others? Is there anywhere in the U.S. that $130/month is exactly half of what it really costs to raise two small boys? I think not. The truth here is that the class system is alive and well and does infect our government systems. I have a few suggestions for the system and here they are.
1. Start with a flat rate (based on current inflation) of how much it costs to raise a single child based on age. We all know that small children cost more so I'm fine with a tiered rate by age. Include factors like, a mom with 1-2 kids will need 2 bedrooms, a mom with 3-4 kids will need a three bedroom place and so on. Rent does go up based on the amount of space needed to live.
2. Support for the first or any other child should not be reduced by the parent having more children. How does having more children and starting more families reduce the amount it costs to raise a child? It doesn't. Each successive child will add to the costs of raising a family, and the parent who insist on having more children should be prepared to pay for it. Maybe more people would not have as many children spread all over the country if they knew they would actually have to pay for them, instead of leaving their family to live off of welfare programs.
3. If the non-custodial parent is not able to pay the full amount of child support that has been determined they owe, garnish a partial amount and let the rest mount up in back pay owed with interest. For instance, Parent owes $500/month for two children from first family (this makes $250 for each child). He has 2 children in his next family that he still lives with and his financials show that he can only pay $300/month. The state should garnish the $300/month and $200/month would add up as back pay due, with interest. There are some major benefits to this kind of system. The first two children are worth the same amount of money irregardless if daddy chooses not to get a job, or fails to get a decent job, or whatever other excuses make some people's children worth more than others. Secondly, don't you think this guy is going to start thinking, "wow, if I leave this next family, I'll have to pay $500/month for those next two kids too." That will be $1000/month just paying for his kids, whether he has a good job or not. The back pay will add up and up and someday his kids will have a college fund, cause this guy will be paying on his child support long after the kids are 18, unless he is smart enough to get a really good job and pay his child support. This system makes all the kids equal recipients to daddy's money. Plus it will motivate dead-beat dads to be responsible to working, and maybe stick with one of the families they create instead of spreading seed with no consequences.
The current system does add up back pay on unpaid child support with interest. But it puts no official value on the child itself other than through the lens of the status of the parent that owes. So, like me, my children are worth only $130/month because my ex has a new family and only works a minimum wage job. It doesn't matter that I work my butt off at a job that pays about $20/hr. (which I have to do to support us properly) because the child support isn't set at the level that the children deserve to be safe, fed, and clothed. It is set at whatever the other parent can afford after all their expenses and new family are taken care of, no matter how small the amount is. If I chose to work a minimum wage job, we would have to live on welfare of some sort, because $130/month sure isn't gonna make a drop in our expenses. How is this fair? How is this considered support? Does this make sense to you?
4. Do not allow a ratio of 50/50. This is another problem created by the current system, the idea of credit for visitation. If you can split the time spent with the child 50/50, then technically neither parent can be held responsible for support because they are sharing expenses by having the child in their home half the time. This creates wars within families. Fights for tax credits, fights over visiting times, fights to get public benefits like Medical or Healthy Families. Not to mention interesting situations with the kids' school and lessened accountability between school and home when the school doesn't know which parent to call that will get things done. The child can start to feel like a pawn, especially as they get older and become aware of the issues surrounding their care. Some kids start using their split families to their advantage. Miscommunication between two homes can make some significant loopholes for kids looking for excuses. Stealing, sneaking out, not completing homework, and cutting school are common behaviors in kids with split families, mostly due to lack of accountability and communication between the two original parents.
One parent usually is more in charge of a child naturally anyway. One parent usually has more room in their home for the child, and one usually has more time. Assigning a ratio that allows one parent to really care for the child and the other to "support" the child makes more sense. It will also curtail many of the situations I described above, and give the child a sense of belonging to one home or the other. It will also stop arguments about how to claim the kid for benefits and taxes. We all know that some visitation does happen, or its completely absent. Give the non-custodial parent 25% credit toward the standard amount set if they have a visitation schedule. If no schedule at all is set or they live to far away to have regular visits, then they get no credit. If they really want to be involved with theirchild, they should just do it, and stop worrying about how much their visitation with your kid will cut down their support payments and just be the best parent they can be.
Now doesn't that sound ideal! Custodial parents unite for a fair child support system!! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!
Oh sorry, I drifted off to my dream world again. Hehehe.
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Amen, sister. I knew there were others out there that had similar feelings. If anyone has any more ideas, throw them out there!
This is just so horrible - and all true of course.
Further, this is a culture that condemns women for taking time to raise her children - who is supposed to care for them? Mind you, this is the only industrialized country that does not offer paid maternity leave, nor guaranteed medical care, and daycare. When a women becomes pregnant in the US - she has to take a vow of abject poverty because she is entitled to no income and no time to raise a baby, bond, and breastfeed. Zero.
Can you believe the system was much worse at one time? Like idiot judges were allowed to offer anything they felt for support until our Gov. here in NY (Mario Cuomo) put a formula in effect. There was no such thing as a man going to jail if he did not pay - and he was supposed to pay support for a son until he was 21 but a daughter only until 18 (she was not entitled to go to college). I'm not talking about 1880's - this is 1980's.
Your argument for interest makes sense. And if he loses his job he should then beg and borrow money as a mother has to do to take up his slack. One newspaper here on LI was putting pictures of deadbeat dads in the newspaper. Bravo. It made a difference. There should be a show like "America's Most Wanted" - not supporting children should be a serious crime!
There is a reason why child poverty is epidemic in this country - that's because their mothers are impoverished.
It is never enough because it begins with the acceptance of motherhood being a totally disfranchised institution in this country.
Before I go - when I taught in S. Korea - if I got pregnant I would receive 3 months paid maternity leave. Here in the US as a teacher I would not get a paid maternity leave. My own country gives me nothing, yet here I pay nearly 1/2 my salary in taxes.
We have a long way to go and making women dependent on men for support any time in her life is degrading - and is uniquely an American concept. Even in so-called poor and 3rd world countries a woman has an extended family, a village, that totally pitches in and is expected to do so.
I wish we could do more for you young women (I'm a grandmother now) - but I am so happy that young women today have no problem speaking out! Good for you!
Good hub...If only I could get my ex to actually pay support. Actually it's better if he didn't thanks to voluntary abandonment. I wrote a hub on that. My husband can adopt with very little problems.
Women have children with these men. Women need to be responsible for their decisions. 1. The women did not get a career with good pay 2. She chose him. The father may not be perfect, but neither is any-one else, or the mother. The father will support their kids if they are bonded to them. Who in their right mind wants to if they are told where to go, while she has the kids. Or where he didn't spend years with them? Kids are a part of a whole family and to love the child, both have to get on with the other partner. If your guy is really bad and you didn't detect this, there is something wrong about you, that has to go through the process of change too. To be on a benefit means poor planning. Ideally both are educated, and the woman before the child. Women, you dig your own holes. And I'm a woman. If he doesn't wish to pay, you put the kids on his doorstep if you have no money. If he doesn't take them in, you report child abuse and go to the courts for concern for your kid as to not having a father. Then you get a sympathy vote from financial supporting agencies, not for financial costs, but for abandonment etc... If he takes the kid in, he will more than likely provide, because guys are different with kids than with partners, and have a different relationship, and it will more than likely pull his britches up. It's you having a dispute with him, not your kid. If there is a concern, you go to the courts.
Hi lela, it sounds like you've made some assumptions here and I wonder if you are speaking out of your own pain. There is no mention at all in the article or previous posts as to why we left our men, or actually why they left us! Also, I personally have never recieved any welfare benefits (I always made too much money!) which brings me to point out again my statement that I have been working jobs that bring me good money, till this recession of course. I am also left wondering if you have children. Your statement that if you have no money you just drop them off on his doorstep and then if he doesn't take them in you report child abuse and go to the courts, etc. doesn't make sense. No mother would willingly abandon her child just because of a lack of money. That is child abandonment. He could just as easily prove in court that you ilegally abandoned the child that you had custody of. By the way, the courts cannot and will not enforce his vistiation with the kids and he could go to court and say he doesn't want to see them for whatever reason, and no one can make him take care of the kids. Only going through the child support process can the courts do anything to touch him regarding taking care of the children financially. And also, if you do go on welfare while he's supposed to be paying support, they will get the value of the welfare out of him later because he was supposed to be providing.
Also, I find it amazing that you would assume that we are stupid for having married these type of men in the first place. Were you not aware that more than 50% of marriages end in divorce in this country? Hell, maybe some women leave their men to protect their children from abuse! And no my dear, not all problems can be worked out in counseling. I hope that you have an ideal situation when you have children, otherwise I fear you are going to be in for a nasty learning curve!
I agree with you response to lela. You can't just leave your kids. I could never do that to my babies. I would work myself into the ground before giving them up. Counseling doesn't always work either. Both parties have to be willing and if the man isn't then theres nothing that can be done. My dad left my mom cause he found a new woman and even though they went to counseling, nothing worked. My step dad was abusive so my mom left him. You can't fix someone that's abusive in any other way than turning them into a christian (Ive worked with a lot of battered women and this is the conclusion we have drawn).
Some people just go in complete different directions and grow apart to where they are no longer compatible. Unfortunately that makes it difficult especially if there are kids.
This sorta reminds me of the other day on pogo where another young mother and I were talking about our kids. We both have young babies close to each other. Someone else chimed in and said that she was too young to have kids. She happened to be the same age as us. Then we brought up being sleep deprived. Her comment was, 'well go to sleep when they do.' Much easier said than done especially since they have different sleep schedules. Then she goes on to yell at us saying that we were denying our children because we were on the internet playing a game. Just so happens that most of our kids were down on their naps while the ones that were awake were quiet. People tell people what they should do without truly going through it themselves, which is terribly sad because they tend to tear a person down.
Just my thoughts, not directed to anyone. Mostly based on my personal experiences.
I think the answer is "actuals". Actuals should consider parenting time and the cost associated. Actuals should take into consideration intentional under and out right un employment.
As a Father I have been on the other side of the situation. That being said I don't believe that any government "one size fits all" solution will work well for everyone or every situation. Its just the facts. I find it completely unthinkable that a judge would allow a divorce to be settled with out a parenting plan in writing, yet until recently most states still allowed such non sense. I have seen where the Father has lived two blocks away, pays nothing and never wants to interact with his children. I have seen where the Mother moves several states away and collects so much in child support that the Father simply can't afford to pay and have the means to travel and visit his own children. Its a mess. There are no easy answers. The key is not the dollar amount. The Key is the amount of parenting time and the reasons behind that. A parent should not be forcefully separated from his or her child without cause and then be made to pay extrodinary ammounts in child support. By the same token a parent who refuses to take an active role in the child's life should bear the majority of cost. The problem is that would require our judges to be judges and well they don't want that. They want some legislative hack to draw up a confusing piece of legislation that takes two lawyers, a judge and a social worker to decifer.
It's sad how so many parents say they either don't have money to pay child support or money to adequately support their household, do have money for court cost and a Lawyer. Its very telling. Its NOT about the children. Its about an on going argument between two people. Both who are using the children like pawn's on a chess board.
If you are a costodial parent there is absolutely no reason for your children to go without. Every state has programs that will assist and document payments to be charged back to a non-custodial parent. Eventually all non payers will get caught. If you have applied for help and its determined you make too much, then guess what? Its time to make some tough choices. You have to cut back until the non payer gets reigned in. Understand that once the decision was made to move on the cost went up for both parties. Also don't forget that if the separation was not amicable, your not going to get a lot of cooperation.
Maybe we need divorce counceling! Maybe you should have court ordered counceling on how to be divorced. I'm confinced that all this arguing over money is driven by left over animous of a failed marriage.
Thanks for your input Crash! You have some great thoughts! Its true that there is no real one-size fits all and that there are a ton of factors. It really is an issue that deserves alot more attention than it gets from the powers that be.
Sound to me like you need someone to bring this to not only the authorities involved, but the people also...do I sense a radical movement in the works? Maybe cull the people for their stories of non-payment, and over-payment, document them and take it to the media...different towns, different states...
Anyway, just a thought, and no I'm not volunteering lol I have my own crusade to fight ;) but I think someone should take up the gauntlet...
Both your hub, (which was excellent, by the way,) and CRASH's comment have a lot of merit, and should be addressed.














Patricia Huntington says:
2 months ago
I hear ya about the support being an issue. I feel that the system should be more stern with the non paying parent. You know my ex. He purposely got out of the military to avoid paying 880 a month for the girls. Now his order is set at 238 a month because i was making three times his income. That is with me having them 100%. Now for the last 3 years he doesnt pay anything unless taken from his taxes. He is 2 states away and his license is only suspened if he gets to 2000 dollars behind. Which even after they take his taxes in 2 months he is at 2000 dollars in the arrears. They should be lockin him up. Now he is able to pay 35 bucks to try to lower it becuase he is goin to school - funny part he goes to school because of his 9 years in military he gets nearly 1600 untaxed money each month. That is 3 times the amount he last reported when support was determined. Lord knows Im not one to be all give me money I can provide and have for all of my childrens lives. But these dead beat dads should be held responsible - scare them into being responsible. If he doesnt pay after months and months arrest his ass, post his dead beat pic in newspapers like some states do take his license away for good and so on. Maybe then they will think twice before trying to beat the system because they choose not to be involved with their children!!!
Ok i ranted enough. I hear your frustration and Im there with you!!! You can imagine the hell i have seen when it comes to tryin to be sure he is responsible in some way for having children!!!