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By SirDent

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I am allowing discussions again on this hub. I will not participate personally in them. All comments must be approved by me before they can be seen. No comments which attack another will be allowed. I will simply delete them.

Let's keep this as civil as possible.


Portrait of Muhammad

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Prophecy

Muslims believe Muhammad to be the prophet God. Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. They believe the Old Testament prophecy to point at Muhammad. This hub will be about what Muhammad said and what Jesus said. It will be about their teachings and their lifestyles.

Let's start with one verse from the Qur'an. Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." This reads like the Mafia demanding protection payments of shop and store owners. They don't actually say that the protection is from their organization. This is called Extortion. Why would Allah need to extort money from infidels?

An earlier verse is Qur'an:9:5"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." This verse contradicts the previous one I posted here. One says kill them all the other say demand a protection tax from them.

This is only one of many examples of terror in the Qur'an. I also realize that this translation may not be perfect but I believe it to be very close. If anyone has a better translation please let me know in the comments section, and post the translation if you don't mind.


The Sermon on the Mount

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The teachings of Jesus are of love toward one another. The commission He gave all believers is to spread the gospel of Christ to all the world.

Mat 11:4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: Mat 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. Mat 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

You can see that everything Jesus did was good. He harmed no man or woman ever when He walked this earth. Muhammad would have killed those who wanted their sight restored or any other illness healed.

A commandment Jesus gave to the disciples is found written in the New Testament.

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

This commandment is for all that follow Him.


The real Muhammad

More Teaching of Muhammad

Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Islam is called by many a "Religion of Peace" but according to their own prophet, it is a religion of war and of genocide. Anyone who doesn't follow their teachings will be killed. They will be terrorized. So much for the religion of peace.

Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."

Muhammad was also a pedophile. He married Aisha when she was 7 years old. He was 53 at the time and his marriage to her was consummated when she turned 9 years old. This was a common thing to do for Muslims and still is today. I have read stories of how girls are sometimes raped anally so they can still be called virgins if and when they are to be married. They are treated worse than animals.

Qur'an 24:58 "Believers, let your slave girls, and those who have not come to puberty, ask permission on three occasions: before dawn, while you take off your clothes at midday, and after the night prayer. These are your times of undress - times of privacy for you. Outside those times it is not wrong for them to move about: Thus does Allah make clear the Signs."

I may be off a little here but it seems what Muhammad is saying is to allow them to come into your private room during the times that you undress. This is really sickening to me. The girls who have not yet come to puberty going in to be with men while they're undressed.

Anyone who has a conscience knows that this is a sick thing for any young girl to go through.


Jesus Taught

Matthew 5

1. And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2. And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3. Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Jesus taught us to be blessed. he also told us that many would revile us and hate us for our witness of His power and authority. He taught us to be pure in heart, meek, and merciful. He taught us to hunger and thirst after righteousness.

He taught nothing about killing those who don't believe. Imagine how bad it would be if He had taught that. Christians and Muslims all fighting against everyone and one another. Just imagine the terrorists that would be loosed on the world if Jesus had taught the same things that Muhammad had taught.

The warfare a Christian fights is a spiritual warfare. It isn't flesh and blood as Islam says. It is principalities and powers that we fight against. We can only have the victory through Jesus Christ and His blood. When Jesus died on the cross His blood sealed the deal. The debt was paid and man was made free to choose for himself whom he would serve.

Words of Satan in the "prophets" Mouth

Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you."

Then the messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consoling him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue.

Then God canceled what Satan had thus cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed: "Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation (umniyyah). God abrogates what Satan casts. The God established his verses. God is knower, wise. (174)

http://www.answeringislam.info/Responses/Saifullah

SirDent: According to this, Muhammad spoke the words of Satan himself. Muslims the book of Deuteronomy tells of the coming Prophet who is like Moses. They say that Muhammad is the prophet.

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. This verse is the one used to point to Muhammad as being the prophet. But there's more. Two verse later it is written

Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Now it seems very straightforward. Muhammad spoke words that Satan put in his mouth saying they were from God. He later said that they were not from God but from Satan himself. Read the second verse again and see what is stated about those who prophesy falsely. Of course, Allah can change his mind about things. This would make him imperfect wouldn't it? Why wasn't Muhammad stoned to death for speaking the words of Satan?

Also realize that God did not call Muhammad. According to Islam's own book, the angel Gabriel called Muhammad. No other prophet in the history of the Bible was called by an angel.

More Violence in the Qur'an

Qur'an 2:39"Those who disbelieve and reject Our revelations are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever."

Qur'an 2:59"But the transgressors [the Jews] changed the word from that which had been told to them for another, so We sent upon the wrongdoers a punishment from the heaven because of their rebelling against Allah's obedience.

Qur'an 2:65"And indeed you [Jews] knew those among you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We [Allah] said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected."

Qur'an 2:67"And remember when Moses said to his people: 'Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow.' (The 'story' of the cow - which has no basis in the Bible - follows, which tells the faithful how the Jews attempted, unsuccessfully, to deceive and outwit Allah: 67-73)"

Qur'an 2:74"Then after that your hearts [Jews] were hardened and became as stones or even worse in hardness. And indeed, there are stones out of which rivers gush forth and indeed, there are stones which split asunder so that water flows from them, and indeed, there are stones which fall down for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unaware of what you do."

Qur'an 2:77"Know they [Jews] not that Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal?"

Qur'an 2:80"And they [Jews] say, 'Hell-fire shall not touch us but for a few hundred days.' Say (O Muhammad): Have you taken a covenant from Allah, so that Allah will not break his covenant? Or is it that you say of Allah what you know not?"

Qur'an 2:85:"Then do you [Jews] believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment.

Qur'an 2:86"Their torment [the Jews] shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped."

Qur'an 2:87"And indeed, we gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers ... Is it that whenever there came to you [Jews] a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed."

Qur'an 2:88"And they [the Jews] say: 'Our hearts are wrapped' (i.e., do not hear or understand Allah's Word.) Nay, Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe."

Qur'an 2:89"And when there came to them [the Jews], a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Torah and Gospel], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers."

Qur'an 2:92"And indeed Moses came to you [Jews] with clear proofs, yet you worshipped the calf after he left, and you were wrongdoers."

Qur'an 2:94"Say to them [the Jews]: 'If the Home of the hereafter with Allah is indeed for you especially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful.'

Qur'an 2:95"But they will never long for it because of what their hands have done. And Allah is All-Aware of the wrongdoers.

There are still many many more of these verses. I got these froma website that states

QUOTATIONS BY CHAPTER AND VERSE FROM THE TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN SANCTIONED BY THE HIGHEST RELIGIOUS MUSLIM AUTHORITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA

My Conclusion

As I stated in the first paragraph, the translation of the Qur'an that I used may not be exactly right. I still believe it to at least be close to being exact. If anyone has a better translation please let me know. To my knowledge, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States. It is scary to think that these same verses from the Qur'an will be followed by thousands upon thousands of US citizens.

There are a lot of articles/rumors going around that Barack Obama is a Muslim. What is true and what is not true I can't tell you. I do know that if he is then he has been lying for a very long time. Muhammad didn't care if he lied or not. From what I researched and found out, he is a liar, a murderer, a pedophile and a thief. He is a false prophet who should have been killed when he prophesied falsely and even admitted that Satan had given him the message.

Jesus was completely sinless. He went about doing good all of His time on this earth. He never harmed anyone, but at the same time, He never condoned sin. He knows what it takes to make it to heaven, while Muhammad promised virgins to those who make it to heaven. What about the women who are Muslim? What do they get? I haven't run across anything that says anything about women making it to heaven in the Qur'an.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No man can come to the Father, but by Him. He died on a cross for the sins of everyone. It is a free gift offered to even the most vile person. I wrote a poem a little over a year ago. It is titled Jesus Died For You Too. It was written to be easily understood, while yet maintaining the truth. Other hubs I have that can help you to believe in the one true way will be linked below.

How to Follow Jesus

Ways to God?

God, Do You Really Hear Me?


After everything is done

Why I Quit Islam

God's Word is clear in what it takes to be in Him. One must accept Jesus as their Savior with repentance of sins.

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It is the will of God that every man be saved. It is not His will that any should perish, but that everyone comes to repentance. That being said, God gave us freedom to choose. Some will choose God, others will choose to follow after their own lusts.

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percpercival.pate  says:
3 months ago

Regarding your interpretation of "Quran 24:58"....it clearly says that those girls have to SEEK PERMISSION at your times of undress, and can freely go about at other times, when YOU SHOULD BE PARTICULAR ABOUT UNDRESSING. Therefore, I would certainly prefer to differ from your interpretation here. It is logically incorrect, pls.

boki  says:
6 months ago

i see mohammeds portrait holding the quran they say he doesn't reading or writing how can he has the book as they told me his califs or diciples are listing to him and writing as he takes him 24 yrs.

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Ivan the Terrible  says:
7 months ago

I rahter wonder what the real difference in, and I mean that with all respect. Religions to me are all the same thing. You must believe without knowing exactly why or even if they are real or not. I chose not to believe because I can't find to concrete, solid evidence to back up the ideas and claims of any religion. But that doesn't mean I haven't explored what each religion has to say.

I decided that the basic message was that a person had to believe without question that a set of ideas and claims were true, while that person often had nothing but anecdotal evidence to back up their claims. It was more about feelings and trust, but I questioned why one religion was any better than another. They all ask the same thing which is basically, follow these doctrines because they are right, and others are all wrong.

Using that logic, I guess you could say the any religion will be right for the people who follow it, to the exclusion of all others, or else they are all wrong.

I follow no religion for the simple reason that I can see no basic difference between them, even if there are different rules and expectations. Nice writing, though and I enjoyed reading your hub.

In one hub someone told me that the apostles would not have died teaching a fake story, so that makes what they say correct. I have known people who were physically injured and a few were killed because they believed things that were false. Look around the world today and tell me that the fanatics blowing themselves and other up are not dying for a lie. It is also true in combat we soldiers often died to save others, but that underneath it all we were fighting and dying for a lie.

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debugs  says:
7 months ago

Christ.. why would anyone choose a pedophile with blood in his hands?

ditrolio  says:
10 months ago

islam is not the fastest growing religion.islam grew 1.86% last year while penticostals grew 8.1% check out my hub for more information

http://hubpages.com/hub/islam-fastest-growing-reli

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Mezo  says:
11 months ago

About the verse you asked about Mr. Sirdent

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[9.11] But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.

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Meaning :

If the disbelievers who fought you, repented(asked God for forgiveness) , and became Muslims, and performed the Islalic duties like worship (prayers) and poor-due (Zakah), they become your brothers in religion.

The poor-due....is money paid by rich muslims to the poor. It's obligatory in Islam that each rich Muslim pays zakah (poor-due) to the poor yearly. So paying it is considered a sign that they followed the teachings of islam indeed.

btw. it helps u more to read it as a hole :

[9.4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him)

[9.5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.6] And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.

[9.7] How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

[9.8] How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

[9.9] They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.

[9.10] And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These are they who are transgressors.

[9.11] But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.

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Sirdent says :And yet there are still terrorist organizations in Pakistan just as in India.

- Who said that these things happening in Afghanistan/pakistan/india are accepted in Islam? alot of things are done in the name of Islam but it has nothing to do with Islam.

SirDent: Since you are a Christian, how do you account for the lack of respect for your savior from Muslims?

- What? in Islam we beleive that all messengers are humans, and that God has no son. this contradicts the christian beleive but it doesn't mean lack of respect, you cannot be a muslim unless you beleive and respect ALL prophets peace be upon them, Moses,Jesus, Ishmail and Muhammad. We respect them all and lack of respect to them means infidelity.

[2.87] To Moses We gave the Book and after him We sent other Messengers. We gave (Prophet) jesus, the son of Mary, veritable signs, and supported him with the Spirit of Purity (Gabriel). Will you then become proud whenever any Messenger comes to you with that which does not suit your fancies, and you belied some (Prophet jesus) and killed others!

[2.136] Say: 'We believe in Allah and that which is sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes; to Moses and jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them, and to Him we are submissive (Muslims).'

[2.253] Of these Messengers, We have preferred some above others. To some Allah spoke; and some He raised in rank. We gave (Prophet) jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Spirit of Purity (Gabriel). Had Allah willed, those who succeeded them would not have fought against one another after the clear verses came to them. But they differed among themselves; some believed, and others disbelieved. Yet had Allah willed, they would not have fought against one another. Allah does whatever He will.

(((This means some prophets are preferred and each was given different miracles, but they are all alike in humanness)))

[3.45] When the angels said: 'O Mary, Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word (Be) from Him, whose name is Messiah, jesus, the son of Mary. He shall be honored in this world and in the Everlasting Life - and he shall be among those who are close.

[3.59] Truly, the likeness of (Prophet) jesus with Allah, is as the likeness of Adam, He created him from dust then He said to him "Be" and he was.

[4.150] Those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers, and desire to divide between Allah and His Messengers (by believing in Him without them), and say, 'We believe in some (Prophets Moses and jesus), and disbelieve in some of them (such as Prophet Muhammad),' desiring to take between this (and that) a way (between belief and disbelief) -

[4.171] People of the Book, do not exaggerate your religion. Do not say about Allah except the truth. Indeed, the Messiah, jesus son of Mary, is only a Messenger (and Prophet) of Allah, and His Word (Be) which He gave to Mary, and a (created) spirit by Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say: 'Trinity.' Refrain, it is better for you. Allah is only One God. Exaltations to Him that He should have son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, it is sufficient that Allah is the Guardian.

* read my hub for further info:

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Mezo  says:
11 months ago

hi and sorry for the late response....

as i said , im not a man of religion, im no preast, im not a (Sheikh = man of religion) religion is a science that needs studying..not everyone even arabs can extract the meaning of quran or hadeeth unless he studied the arabic language, the science of words meanings and causes and contect of each verse...i can only transfer to u what the men of religion has taught us, not my personal opinion, and so you can't just extract the meaning of a verse from Quran (different religion than yours) that was translated to English and by picking one piece of a verse!

please if you want a valid source for islamic information you can email or ask the nearset islamic center/mosque in your city, not from the internet(alot of mixed info written by both muslims and non), not from a non-muslim and of courese your personal opinion and pre-established beliefs are not a valid source of info about islam (or about any science!) neither do mine..

you may answer :(I get my info from translated Quran online, that's my source)

I'll answer that again : you got it, but you got it wrong.....again extraction of meanings (explanation of verses) isn't your job or mine, only qualified people who studied this religion can reveal the menings, like poetry sometimes it needs explanation.. that's why they study (comparative religion) in colleges.

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SirDent  says:
11 months ago

Here is another one.

[9.5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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SirDent  says:
11 months ago

Mezo, this is from one of the sites you linked me to.

[9.11] But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have

What exactly is a poor tax?

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SirDent  says:
12 months ago

Thanks Mezo. I'll get back to you.

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Mezo  says:
12 months ago

I hope my last reply made things more clear to you, sir.....most translations are alike, but the problem is that they are all only translation not Explanation to the meanings, (not anyone can devise/interpret meanings out of words) and that most translators are hindi or pakistani and not native Arabic speakers in the first place, i think these links have kinda better translation (literal translation) :

http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?n

http://www.qurancomplex.com/Quran/Targama/Targama.

http://www.2muslims.com/directory/Quran/translatio

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SirDent  says:
12 months ago

Mezo, how about giving me a link to a better translation than the one I used in this hub.

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Mezo  says:
12 months ago

Okay, As you know English is not my first language so I apologize about any mistakes and I wanna explain that Arabic isn't an easy language at all even for it's native speakers, so translation won't be easy and won't deliver the meaning percisely but i'll try my best.

Like proverbs in all languages in the world, you don't take them literally, there's

Periphrasis, there are expressions that you can't translate literally but you can translate the meaning.Mr.SirD: your a zionist, you hate Islam, You think that Muhammad wasn't a messenger of God. that's why you even understood the verse i explained wrong (in the last comment) so, I can't discuss EVERY versu with you cuz you will be looking at evrey single one with your own pre-established opinion/beleif (which is : you are terrorists, obviously!)to explain this in the comments section is irritating as the page is very long but here we go :=========================================================SirD says :Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"The meaning Mr.SirD is : in one battle, (can't remember the name of it, sorry) but Muslims where a few hundreds faced and seiged by thousands of unbeleivers, but the distribution of the Muslims army was in a special way that brought fear into the hearts of their enemy, they FEARED them and just escaped without a fight..... they were (TERRORIZED) and that's how Muslims won that day......without a fight! it here means : (fear casted in the hearts of the enemy)Im not a man of religion, Im not even religious, but I'm trying to deliver you the best I know from the Islamic sources==========================================SirD says :

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Did he use terrorism? If not, why does he mention it?

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First, this is not the verse 8:12 :

the verse 8:12 says : (and you can google it if you want) :

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them."

So, even this translation is not so exact, most translators used the word "terror" here, it's true , so as fright and fear... and the meaning is very clear, God spilt fear (terror) into the hearts of the disbeleivers........that's all, sir.

and to prove my point about the literal translation did u notice (smite all their finger tips/finger prints) ? Does any body smite fingers in war? of course not this was a very literal translation (u can't even translate a proverb literally , u have to translate the meaning) it means strike them with maximum force (the unbeleivers who fought you first),and not literally their finger tips!

Any other questions?

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countrywomen  says:
12 months ago

SirDent- Is it always important to be right or wrong (and again that depends on whom you talk to). Yes I came late to the party and you have made many comments. But I do admire the fact that you admit when you are wrong and praise the word of Jesus which is right. I do believe their is evil in the world although I have personally been blessed with a charmed life so far with wonderful parents, great family, education and career. I wish you also have a safe and wonderful holidays.

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SirDent  says:
12 months ago

What I meant by pre-proven fact is that Jesus did live and was exactly who he said He was. Too many writings that speak of Him personally besides the Bible. Josephus called Him a man but also stated, "If it be lawful to call Him a man."

It has nothing to do with Muhammad. Muslims say Jesus was merely a prophet. When they say that, they are bringing Jesus down to a lower point than what he actually is. Of course some say He didn't die on the cross but escaped death with the help of his disciples. The same ones who fled I imagine.

I have also read where some say that it was Judas on the cross and not Jesus. The evidence is out there for anyone who wants it. A person just has to search for it.

Opinions are easy to come by. They can also at times change on a daily basis as easy and chaning clothes. Whose opinion counts most? Mine? Yours? God's? I have told people before that my opinion means nothing. I have also said that I am never right. God is always right. If I speak what He says to speak, it will always be right no matter who agrees or disagrees.

On a side note, you came into this discussion very late. This hub was published near the end of June. From the very first comment, I asked for clarification of my interpretations of the Qu'ranic verse I posted. I asked for better translations from those who said the translation I used was wrong.

So show me some evidence that this hub is wrong. I take it you believe there is evil in the world along with demonic spirits. If not then it doesn't really matter then does it.

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countrywomen  says:
12 months ago

SirDent- When you say pre proven fact do mean all your conclusions about Muhammad have already been proved and you are just reiterating it. This was what I was trying to say earlier that one is 100% wrong and the other 100% right belief you possess even before beginning your research then pick and choose convenient quotes to come to your own "conclusions".

I agree it takes us years to develop an opinion or form a belief. I also know that except for rhetoric nothing we say to each other may help either of us to see the other's point of view. I don't have an understanding of your background, interactions with others and experiences in life hence it wouldn't be easy for me to say why & where your viewpoints come from. All I wish is that you do advance spiritually and be a little open to people who may not hold the same viewpoint as held by you.

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SirDent  says:
12 months ago

What about a pre-proven fact CW? Muhammad did nothing but speak and nothing he said was proven in any way. Jesus spoke and proved what He spoke of.

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countrywomen  says:
12 months ago

SirDent- I am not trying to generalize based on that verse which Mezo clarified. But all I am asking you to consider is this: If I am trying to look at something with a predetermined agenda whether be it good or bad we will accordingly feel that what that means is what we want to " believe" that is and it may or may not be truth all the time.

Why do you ask have you ever told a lie?

Their would be many instances when we may lie not to hurt the feelings of the other person. When you deducted on another hub that I am a "terrorist" and if you ask me face to face whether you felt bad by it I might say NO not to hurt you (even if I did feel bad).

Or maybe you asked that question for if you lie you are a sinner then ... and so on

Never the less I do pray for you since such a hub may not be conducive to even yourself.

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SirDent  says:
12 months ago

Mezo, I may be wrong with that one verse.

What about the others? What about these two.

Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Did he use terrorism? If not, why does he mention it?

If you were to read the other comments. some claimed that I used a bad interpretation. I then searched for others. I even used some of their sites they mentioned. It's all basically the same.

Do you follow the Qu'ran letter for letter? One more question, have you ever told a lie in your life?

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SirDent  says:
12 months ago

CW, when something is shown to prove other things wrong, does it not have authority?

Muhammad was not a prophet of God. He invaded cities and nations to gain wealth and power.

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