Class Action Suit Against Streamline Funnel System And Founders Contemplated.
81Bait And Switch Scam Has Hurt Too Many People Already.
From the moment the Streamline Funnel System went into pre-launch many people were dreaming that this would bring an end to their financial problems. Senior citizens, disabled people, single mothers and other financially challenged people signed up in droves and started to promote the Streamline Funnel System to get their friends, family, neighbors and other people to join. After all, the cost at launch time in early July was only going to be $ 9.99 per month and this new Web 3.0 system would create somewhere between $ 1,000 and $ 10,000 per week. Each member would receive 10,000 no-spam leads and Streamline Funnel System would do all the work, send out the mailings to people who were waiting to sign up to the system.
Here is the bait:
"See how people like YOU are simply plugging into Paul Birdsall's brand new Streamline Funnel System and earning as much as $1,000* to $10,000* a WEEK from HOME.
• Personal selling, convincing, and explaining: ELIMINATED
• Buying leads, cold calling, selling to your friends and family: ELIMINATED
• Mickey Mouse home based businesses that are designed only to profit the creator: NEVER AGAIN!
• Learning, studying, testing, applying and re-testing the never ending Web2.0 Internet marketing methods: NEVER AGAIN!
Competitors are stunned and left scratching their heads as our members generate thousands of dollars a week - ON 100% AUTOPILOT!"
Sounds easy, doesn't it? Not much to do, pay the $ 9.99 and wait for the money to come in.
Well, all of these poor people who had worked extremely hard to get a downline that, they assumed, would pay for their membership fee.
Finally on July 5th or 6th the pre-launch members are being advised that the $ 9.99 is only to lock in your place and/or a 3 day trial and that the actual membership will be just under $ 40.00 per month. Unaffordable for many of those people in the lower income brackets, but if you have managed to recruit 10, 20 or more people to sign up under you, you expect to receive some commission from that and that will more than cover the $ 40.00 monthly membership fee. Therefore, many of these disadvantaged people signed up and paid for something that without the hyped up expectations would have been unthinkable. I can imagine some of them having to borrow or otherwise find these funds from somewhere.
Sign up time comes on July 7th and the program accepts credit card payment but this fantastic new Web 3.0 technology is unable to produce a receipt along with an agreement.
On or about July 8th members are advised that the 10,000 leads would not go out under your link, but will be on a rotator with 24 other members.
Around July 23 a major announcement was made by way of Paul Birdsall's Vlog. All of the monies accepted by Streamline Funnel System between July 7th and July 12th, amounting to, according to Paul, somewhere between 700 and 800 thousand dollars were frozen by the credit card processor for 6 months. They are working on it to get it fixed. Everybody should have their money back by July 31st at the latest. Allow some time for your own bank to process it back into your account. This created a lot of mistrust among the members. How can anyone start up a business on this scale and have not covered the minimal administrative necessities?
Around July 28th a new credit card processor was found and the following day everybody had to re-sign up and pay the $ 9.99 plus the $39.95 monthly fee.
In the meantime no leads had been sent out to all these people on the SFS list who were supposedly waiting to hear from SFS and then sign up.
Some members had purchased 10, 20 or 40 thousand extra leads at a much higher cost that would have priority over the basic $ 40.00 member’s 10,000 leads. From what members can gather, none or very few basic 10,000 leads for the month of August have gone out. If this is correct, the monthly membership fee for the month of August has been a total waste.
During the month of August all kinds of promises were made and not kept. It appears that somewhere around the middle of August some of the leads are being sent out, but as it turns out most, if not all, of the members start receiving emails and encourage them to join SFS. Some of the members even said that their own downline received these emails from SFS without being their link on it. It appears as if the SFS management is using their member’s leads to their own advantage. Some people say that they can prove it, but I am not much of an IT man, but I do understand what this would do.
Members were starting to get restless and comments in the official Forum by members were really stating to get pointed because there did not seem to be any place where they could get an honest answer. On August 12th the Forum was locked for “clean up” and to get rid of all the negative comments. This way it would look better for newer members. They would be fed only good news. This caused a group of SFS members to start their own Forum Streamlinefunnelsystem Revealed where they can easily exchange their experiences.
From the beginning Paul and his co-founders have been talking about Phase 2 and a Millionaires Conference in Las Vegas in the middle of September. Just last week a Webinar was held about this Phase 2 and it entailed becoming a member of a very large consumer product company where the members can make more money. The sign up fee, or investment needed to join this new venture is way out of line for many of the SFS members who were originally attracted to the $ 9.99 price ticket for 10,000 double opt in leads. From what I understand this promotion of this consumer product company was done without that company's, or its officers, approval, but nevertheless that is the way it was presented to the SFS members.
There is an automatic monthly renewal and many of the members are getting upset that they are being billed before SFS has produced anything, except promises and BS. They are also claiming that their commissions for their downline has not been paid yet. Presently SFS is in breach of contract with many of its members. It is now time for some serious action.
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Well its the 20th of July that the new payment processor was able to take payments. Then after everyone who wanted to stay stayed and also paid again before even being refnded the original payment processor... Then SFS told us who to call so people called and refunds started on Aug 14,2009 and whomever got refunded got refunded. It was not a reverse it was a credit to us...
A reverse is saying it was never recd in the Business Personal Account... And that is usally done in less then 30days of original billing. But it was a credit to the members so someone had to turn around and send a payment to us directly to a card. So it was a refund but not a proper refund since a new transaction number was processed.
But then they menthioned that whomever joined in early, AKA the early pre-launch birds were going to get their link sent out first. But that never happened and then they also said all basic rotators were going out and that it never did. So to this day basic rotator still hasnt gone out and is and when it is sent out it will be owed to you... So if after 2 months still no basic rotator has gone out then they will owe it to you...
Recently they just upgraded to a new rotator that can send out 1 million a day. Ummmm so I wonder where thats going. They also said that they will be sending it out to the 10k, the leads of 10k, 20k and 40k will be processed but until that many has opened the email then then it will continue till it has been met... It can take up to 30days...
Leads were suppose to go out within an amount of time...
10k Basic Rotator was promised to go out within 7-21 days of payment of $39.95
The big leads purchase of 10k, 20k and 40k were suppose to go out between 5-15 days of payment of that amount of that package. But it was also changed what was going out first.
Stories keep changing and it never stays the same...
I dont know what they are up to but it aint good.
Go visit SFS Revealed it has copies of all prior SFS Forum comments before the lockdown and also being approved to be shown live.
Alot of members got locked out of forum without any notice and was never told to go sign back up...
Go see SFS Revealed for the information of prior posts.
I have given up trying to keep track of all the ies and changes of directions we have been told. If there is no fraud here it is without a doubt the most poorly run company I have ever seen or even heard about. They tell us there is a customer service dept and it has 4 employees in it. Yet many people have sent in multiple requests for help or answers to their questions and have never heard a thing. They have made enough money to be able to afford a world class customer support dept., but they have one of the worst I have ever seen. They did try to charge a person in my down line again for his lead package even though he had sent a couple of emails to the company telling them not to do that. They totally ignored his request. He had already canceled his card because he was scared they would do exactly what they tried to do. I have no faith or respect for such a poorly run company. I do believe a class action law suit would be a good thing. Paul is very experienced at being in court and being found guilty so as far as he is concerned what is one more law suit?
We all keep saying the same thing, most of us are still owed money and many people have still not had what was promised. If we feel so strongly about SFS is it not time to take some action and make an official complaint against Paul Birdsall and The Streamline Funnel System. The problem is that there are many people world wide that have been affected so no one really knows who to go to. I am in the UK but would willingly take up the cause if someone in Canada could find out who to make a n official complaint to in order to get the ball rolling.
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Victims/report
https://www.recol.ca/intro.aspx
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/menu-e.html
http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/reporting.ph
I got refunded, got paid commissions owed, even got people put under me in Shaklee, but my lead rotator has not started yet, although I do know of someone who had gotten three from rotator, but the started earlier than I have, so in time we will all know if system will work or not. I for one will wait another month.
Good luck to all,
TamPogo-Fundraiser.com
The so-called blasts or lead packs don't exist if NO member ID's are rotated. What is so hard to understand about that? Why is everyone still under the illusion that there really is a Rotator that will have your LINK on it?
If you find your member ID number on any of these Rotators, please come back post it for us -- I hope you all find your links there. I really do want to be wrong so please check and see.
http://43yrs.com/mailman/listinfo/sfs_43yrs.com This is where it quietly began...there were no negative public comments made until we were positively sure. Check for yourself and then post your own conclusions.
http://www.hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=481&rid=
Enter above URL into your browser and see which Member ID's come up each time you enter it.
Change the number 1 on the end to any number between 63 through 81 Members ID# 37429 ID# 2408 ID# 10714 have come up so far. There are some rotating but they are NOT yours.
http://www.hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=390&rid=
The above Rotator redirects to ID 102 and ID103
http://www.streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=102
http://www.streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=103
#103 is Karl Airey - from Partners in Profit in the
Shaklee Leaders group. He promotes his link A lOT.
EMAIL REFUND REQUESTS OR CANCEL
TO George - sfslogin@gmail.com
Paul Birdsall is the self-proclaimed Founder of Web 3.0 now! He developed some software using Web 3.0 technology that doesn't exist either! That's why nobody knows what it is...how would you know? This Poster Boy for Useless people has some nerve.
Tell me I can get a truck with special tires made with EXP-08 technology so the tires never go flat and never need changing, I'm in a Dealership and you sell tires and trucks, why wouldn't I believe you? That's the same thing Paul Birdsall did. He simply lied with special circumstances. He knew people would believe him. I can't even watch those VLOGs without putting my computer in grave danger of abuse!!
Web 3.0" was the future of the Semantic Web 10 years ago.... and it just means the 3rd stage the Semantic Web is in. It's a SMART Web and Semantic refers to meaningful - information overload is replaced with relevant, useful information that matters.
Marketers use Web 3.0 because they can't explain RDF Triples, SPARQL queries, relational databases or associating metadata with statements in RDF...they don't even know what a Petabyte or an Exabyte is. Two more words for Marketers to exploit.. ..hey, you never know - that's why you NEED to know. Whenever you wonder "what that is" you can find out by going to www.HowStuffWorks.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R8BlHRXRkE Very Funny Video.
The so-called blasts or lead packs don't exist if NO member ID's are rotated. What is so hard to understand about that? Why is everyone still under the illusion that there really is a Rotator that will have your LINK on it?
If you find your member ID number on any of these Rotators, please come back post it for us -- I hope you all find your links there. I really do want to be wrong so please check and see. http://43yrs.com/mailman/listinfo/sfs_43yrs.com This is where it quietly began...there were no negative public comments made until we were positively sure. Check for yourself and then post your own conclusions.
http://www.hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=481&rid=
Enter above URL into your browser and see which Member ID's come up each time you enter it. Change the number 1 on the end to any number between 63 through 81 Members ID# 37429
ID# 2408 IDd# 10714 have come up so far. There are some rotating but they are NOT yours.
http://www.hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=390&rid=
The above Rotator redirects to ID 102 and ID103
The rid= WAS missing the 1 at the end! Here is the
Rotator again below...try it now!
www.hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=481&rid=1
CHANGE THE NUMBER 1 ON THE END to any number
between 63 through 81 example: rid=65
Members ID# 37429 ID# 2408 ID# 10714 ID# 11205
have come up so far. There are some rotating but
they are NOT yours, are they?
www.hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=390&rid=54
Redirects to:
www.streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=102
www.streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=103
WHAT MEMBER ID DO YOU GET? IS YOURS 102
Why is everyone still under the illusion that there
really is a Rotator that will have your LINK on it?
Check for yourself and then post your own conclusions.
Has ANYONE ever HEARD of such a thing???
Yesterday at 10:23 PM
#1
Your link keeps going out until 10,000 or 20,000 or 40,000 UNIQUE people open the email and see YOUR link!
It's not just an email blast to 10k like a solo ad where maybe only 500 out of 10,000 will open the email...10,000 people (or 20,000 or 40,000) will actually see your link! Your link will keep being sent out until that many unique people open the email with your link!
So, it takes time. It's not an immediate result...it's a process and it takes time...but your link will be seen by the number of leads you purchased!
It's not over when you see the check...it's just beginning!
This is VERY exciting!
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Frances Leary
SFS Forum Moderator
Phase 1 of SFS was the bait and switch launch of the $9.95 free 3 day trial,
then the amazing "oh by the way you need to pay $39.95 a month",
then came the "oh, by the way, the $39.95 packages you bought are NOT really 10K lead packages - they are shared, so you need to buy a 10K, 20K or 40K package.
Phase II was the bait and switch to upsell everyone into Shaklee. (which, by the way is a very good company. I can't believe Shaklee is letting SFS ruin their good name.)
Phase III was announced in Vegas. It includes an autoresponder, plus a lead capture page system, plus lessons on Adwords and other 2.0 marketing tactics. they also announced some goofy bonus pool that the big sellers will share in (this means that only Chris, Karl, and Birdswill will get any of it). It's another big upsell to buy more crap from them and an unexplainable, vague bonus program to get you hyped up to go out and sell and make more money for the SFS founders. No firm dates were announced, just the usual misdirection and B.S.
They can't even clean up the crap from Phase I and now they are talking about launching Phase III. They still owe me over $1K in commissions and my lead package i bought has never gone out.
Most crooks "Take the Money and Run". These crooks are taking the money, but sticking around because they are greedy, money grubbing bastards and they know there are still a lot of suckers they haven't bilked yet. Why run away when still have free money rolling in.
I totally agree with these comments. Its bad enough to know you have been scammed once, but despite writing directly weeks ago they are still pulling money from my card and to add insult to injury citibank which must rate as one of the worlds worst, tell me they are powerless to stop this outright blatant FRAUD...
Multiply $39.92/month by many many thousands and this is a massive fraud that someone somewhere should be acting on - can you here us VISA?????
Pearson/Birdsall/Streamline Funnel System is a FRAUD so why are Shaklee not taking legal action and fast??
I was one of the first to sign up in July. I have seen absolutly nothing from this venture except bullshit. These people have no morals. I am considering a class action suit against them. I have over 1000.00 invested with absolutley nothing in return. What a load of shit!!!!!!! Paul and other founders should be ashamed of themselves for taking peoples hard earned money. I have cancelled the card that this was billed to because the charges would not stop even after repeated requests to cancel. I hope that this idiot and his partners in crime go down in a big way.
Brenda Lehman
member 19875
Take a look at this if you want the truth about Mr Paul Birdsal the founder memeber and major shareholder of 'Streamline Funnel System'
Once a crook, always a crook, really caught you out this time Mr Birdsal!!!!!!!
I'm getting nearer to you being in Jail.
Marketer fined $82,866 for GST fraud
Winnipeg, July 15, 2009 ... Paul Birdsall, of Cochrane, Alberta, formerly of Winnipeg, Manitoba, has been sentenced in the Provincial Court of Manitoba after pleading guilty to charges of GST fraud. He was fined $82,866 which represents 151% of the amount of unremitted GST on his business sales.
"Tax evasion costs all of us," said William V. Baker, Commissioner of the Canada Revenue Agency. "The job of our investigators and auditors is to make sure that all Canadians pay the tax they owe."
The court heard that Birdsall, a self-employed marketer of work-at-home schemes, neglected to remit $54,088 of GST due on his business sales for 2001.
A CRA investigation revealed that Birdsall declared only minimal revenue from a business known as Greenwave Marketing, operating as Supermarket King, which solicited individuals for grocery coupon processing. However, he maintained an expensive home in an upscale Winnipeg neighbourhood. The CRA investigators discovered that he did not report substantial amounts of GST collected on income earned through several other schemes operating under the business names of Horizon Career Consulting, DataMax Solutions, and International Homeworkers Alliance.
Go to this site & get your own PDF report from the Canadian authorities.
I WAS IN SFS SINCE 7/07/09 PAID MY 9.95 AND 39.96 AND AS OF OCTOBER/24/09 APPROX. I ALWAYS HAD JUST 9.95 IN MY ACCOUNT I GOT OUT,CANCELED MY MEMBERSHIP AND STILL WAS CHARGED AGAIN WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!! BECAUSE OF SFS LAST DEBIT ON MY ACCOUNT NOT AUTHORIZED I NOW HAVE OVERDRAFT FEES AND CAN NOT PAY THEM! I SAY THAT SFS NEEDS TO REFUND ME AND OTHERS FOR WHAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE! IF NOT STRAIGHTENED OUT THERE SHOULD BE A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE STREAMLINEFUNNELSYSTEM! I AM VERY UPSET CAUSE NOW MY CHECKING ACCOUNT IS RUINED!! THANKS,MR.ANTHONY GOTTSCHALK DATED 11/14/2009.
Danny Hickman says:
3 months ago
I do know of some of this as I was a my partners for profits member (a shaklee company) before the prelaunch of streamline systems. Was told that members of partners for profit members would be included in streamline system for free. I just on 6/13 then the next thing I am billed a total of two times for the $9.95 to solidify a spot in the system to get placed on the rotator. I did on 7/1 purchace an extra 20000 lead package that cost $190.00 then on 7/28 was made to have to purchase that package again without any leads going out. During this waiting period for the leads to go out was made to rebill and my credit card was charged again fot the $39.95 plus another $9.95 for what I am not sure. I did go out and put in about another $100.00 to do some advertizing to build my own downline and at one point had 300,000 double optin leads sent to my website and for some strang reason none of those made it there. I did have 5 people in my downline during this period from my own advertizing and after no leads have been going out during this period those people that had upgraded to a bigger lead package disappeared. I then decided that no more advertizing wasting my time. The first of 24th of Augest comes around and my credit card was charged again for $46.95 and in addition to coming 4 days early was for another month of inactivity. I have lost in the last 3 months around $600.00 that is alot of money for someone that is unemployed. There should be a kick start for someone that keeps saying that they are helping people and not haveing stole their money with no service applied as well as putting people in a financial burden and possiblely loosing everything they have including their home and life.