Class Warfare
72Who Really Wages Class Warfare?
Update: I have included a video from Jim Cramer's Comments. Is Jim Cramer waging a war against the middle class and the small investor, while helping out his friends who short stocks as some have said? I don't know but I recommend watching the video.
Update: The attempt on the part of Citibank to get the government to take a minority stake, 40 percent, when the government will overpay and should be getting 100 percent stake is pure and simple fascism. It is NOT nationalization. If the government allows this to take place we are so fascistic we can't ever return democracy to the people. Wake up folks and call your congressman and tell him that we don't want the fascist banks who control our government to steal our taxpayer money any more. Enough of this crap!
See also: Is America a Fascist State?
Update, the cramdown plan of the Obama administration will help some homeowners, but the effect of preventing investors from suing will be higher interest rates in the future. That means it is not a good idea to buy a house, because you could sell later into the teeth of higher interest rates.
Before I get into the subject I warn you now, do NOT buy a house. I repeat, do not buy a house. Artificially low interest rates are a TRAP. If interest rates increase in the future which often happens when rates are artificially low, and your purchase is based upon artificially low rates, you will not be able to sell that house when you want.
Deflation could remain and your house value could decrease even further or a freeze will occur in the market if house prices are too high because inflation runs rampant requiring higher interest rates in the future.
You have been warned. These are not normal times. And they won't be for years to come. Taking on a mortgage in the face of massive asset deflation is very risky, moreso with artificially low interest rates. So we go to the issue of class warfare:
It is pathetic to see these paid pundits (and maybe paid shills for Wall Street) on CNBC like Dennis Neal say that Obama wants to wage class warfare on the wealthy. The fact of the matter is that class warfare has been waged on the middle class through the ponzi scheme set up by the United States government and Wall Street to facilitate the hawking of toxic liar, interest only, pay option arm and such loans to the American public.
Massive wealth has gravitated to the top as the middle class has been decimated by phony bankers. So Dennis Neal and others on CNBC, don't tell me that an attempt to stop this transfer of wealth to the rich in a disproportionate manner that has occurred for many years is not necessary to the survival of our republic! Long term, a destruction of middle class wealth will limit turnover of dollars and will limit the ultimate increase in wealth that the wealthy desire. The middle class needs to be jumpstarted and the bonuses and wealth that was based upon ill gotten gains should be returned to the struggling firms. Dylan Ratigan, the only guy on CNBC that I trust besides Mark Hanes, has called this a "clawback" where the firms should receive money back from greedy CEO's in this new environment.
Historically, house prices normally never exceeded 3x yearly household income. House prices in California, the eighth largest economy in the world are still ranging from 5x to 7x yearly income, except for some foreclosures. Leverage boosted the prices artificially, but it made Wall Street rich and if you didn't sell your house price may never retrace those gains!
And you will get a false sense of buying power if interest rates remain artificially low, because if rates ever go up people won't be able to buy your house when you are ready to sell. I would never buy a home until years from now if I didn't own one. Interest rates could skyrocket if there is any whiff of inflation coming back and you won't be able to sell for near what you paid!
There is also a strong argument that the housing bubble in NYC needs to be popped because it was based upon unsustainable and ill gotten wealth.
It is also clear to me that Wall Street was part of a government plan to grow the economy through bogus credit. Government facilitated the leverage that occurred, as well as the blurring of the lines between investment banks and real banks, and the permission of an absence of underwriting standard which allowed a homeless guy in Florida to own multiple houses. Government did this to finance the Iraq War and the Bush Bogus Reign of Deceit. The links below go into this more completely. Be assured that this bubble is finished, that there is no one to take its place, and if there is more debt piled on the result could be inflation though we are in a serious deflation right now and it could get worse.
It is clear to me that if all this was contained to subprime, the Fannie Freddie fiasco, then we could better survive this, but that the alt a meltdown that we face in late 2009-2010 will make the subprime crash look like child's play.
If anyone doubts that the government initiated this ponzi scheme to finance the Iraq War you need to know the things that were said by the fed chairman of the time, Alan Greenspan:
This is the deal, there was a ponzi scheme, and that same Alan Greenspan who said that Bush should secure the oil ministry in Iraq first thing also said that people need to purchase adjustable mortgages in early 2004.
My natural father was Jewish and I am adopted. I view Alan Greenspan as the Bugsy Segal of the financial community. His behavior was shameful.
Be sure to check out the links below including the one where Greenspan said that Americans were paying too much for their homes by staying in fixed mortgages. What he really meant was that he was going to offer you an adjustable and that the government was going to be able to finance his oil war through the false house appreciation that was going to follow.
Greenspan knew this would end in a disaster. He was trained to know. I think he ought to be arrested and because of his age, confined to his home for the rest of his life for what he did to people. That was Class Warfare. I repeat. That advocacy for adjustable loans for Americans already in safe, fixed loans, was Class Warfare!
Housing Ponzi Scheme Was Attack on Middle Class!
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Links About Credit Crisis and Bush Neocon Reign of Deceit
- Will The US Declare Independence from the Federal Reserve
I want independence from the Federal Reserve Bank! We are being robbed as a nation by the Federal Reserve Bank and Steve Liesman of CNBC is fretting over the Fed losing its independence! This is so upside... - American Fascism and the New World Order @ dontpaycreditcards.com
The banks have decided to raise interest rates rather than pass their inexpensive borrowing from the government along to the burdened credit card holders. They have become loan sharks. - We Already Have One World Government
Update: on 4/2/2009 British Prime Minister Gordon Brown proclaimed a "New World Order". Let's consider the consequences of this new world order. Clearly, the international bankers created this crisis, with... - Be Patriotic Stop International Bankers From Raping America
I don't really know if international bankers have always been cockroaches. But certainly after Basil II they have been pests that need to be stamped out. Now I don't believe in just killing them, unless the... - How Safe Is My FDIC Bank Account
Did you know that there was a run on the banks in September 2008 that threatened the American banking system? Oh, the mainstream useless media didn't tell you? 500 billion dollars were withdrawn in a little... - The Abuse of the Middle Class by the World Elite
Clearly, the economy of the world appears to be fettered to the spending habits of Americans. But the abuse of that very middle class by the Bush administration for eight years and by the banks during that... - Say No To Recourse Loans
I had written about this subject just a few days ago. But now on Valentine's day, Diane Swonk has come out on that paid shill for the banks, CNN, stating that what is needed is recourse loans to accompany the... - Why Banks Must Be Crushed
I think all of you have noticed how banks have wormed their way into all of life. You have to have a good credit report to get a certain job, and you have a credit score that follows you around regarding how... - Marx Was Right
I am not positive that Marx was right. But if the middle class doesn't get some help he will have been proven right. Karl Marx was a smart economist. Yes, the resulting communistic form of government that... - What Goes Around Comes Back Around
Let's face it folks, NYC screwed California. First it was little things, like the Enron California power lawsuit information contained in WTC7. That tower was not hit by a plane, but since Ken Lay, may his... - USATODAY.com - Greenspan says ARMs might be better deal
Greenspan pumped adjustable loans for American families. He devised this scheme by allowing regulators to turn their backs on shoddy underwriting. And he pumped the loans themselves! What an ass as we now know. - The Mortgage Lender Implode-O-Meter - tracking the housing finance breakdown, related to Alt-A and s
Tracking the ensuing 'implosion' of the housing finance sector - California IOU Tax Refunds
Update: Judge says state of the state of California is a mess and allows the governator to furlough two Fridays per month. Of course the 1.4 billion dollars saved through June will only be a drop in the... - Jobs Recession and Depression
I have accumulated job and career and skill hubpages for your benefit in these trying times. I hope you will take time to study these learned people's work here for you. Certainly we are hoping against a full... - Foreclosures Are The Solution
Coalinga, Ca. 1983 earthquake While I agonize over people losing their homes, what needs to be understood is that the federal government of the United States created a vast, easy money, loose lending ponzi... - If I Were A Bank
I am not speaking for the banks officially. Think of me as a make believe bank as you read on. While this blurb is humor it is also deadly serious. Pay attentiion, you hear? If I were a bank, I would not... - The Government of the United States is in Denial Regarding Housing!
Clearly, the government of the United States is in denial and is seeking advice from individuals from the Ivy League schools who are giving bad advice. The bad advice is that government should... - George Bush Legacy
Never has a president of the United States been engaged in as many outright, verifiable lies that have taken down our country in economic power, prestige, honor, and morality as the younger George Bush. So... - Is America a Fascist State?
Franklin Roosevelt defined fascism as government being owned by a private individual, group or organization. It is my view that under the authority of George W. Bush, the oil companies of the United States... - http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=11626
Blog proof that Greenspan said the Iraq War was largely about oil, making it a war crime. Greenspan supported the war. - Anti Neocon Hubpages
Marvin Bush worked as security head of WTC and under his watch squibbs were observed, filmed and photographed coming out of all the towers on 9/11. Marvin Bush is the brother of George Bush. I like recipe...
Thomas Jefferson on Inflation and Deflation
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered"
Please note, paper money is prone to inflation/deflation. Add bubble policy and liar loans and easy money and option arms and you have class warfare against the middle class. Thomas Jefferson was thinking of the small farmer when he made the above statement. The middle class is the same group and unscrupulous central bankers declared war on them through years and years of inflation, but no more blatantly than through the Bush administration and the Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan.
Class Warfare Accusations Against Obama
I have serious problems with mainstream media in general. Now they are accusing Obama of class warfare because of two things:
First he accused the banks of irresponsible distribution of bonuses at a time when we are bailing the banks out. I would suggest that he is right. The bonuses may have come from a different kitty, but a dollar is a dollar and we bailed banks out so they could pay bonuses. That is bad public relations at best, and most likely bad judgement because a lot of people now want the banks nationalized so that the government can clean them up possibly with less cost. Certainly this proved to be true in the Savings and Loan debacle. These banks existing today are much larger institutions and there are a lot of credit default swaps betting on their failure. That could put hedge funds into deep do do if the contracts have to be honored. Those credit default swaps are based upon the bonds of the banks going bad. But many still think that we are sending money down a black hole if we do not nationalize the banks. And the banks did not help their cause by giving out these bonuses in the face of catastrophic losses. "Idiots" would be too nice a word to apply to these Wall Street bankers.
The second accusation hurled at Obama was an objection to the reference that unions are the solution, not the problem. Now we know that the unions were a big problem regarding the Detroit auto makers, when the world became more competitive and they did not modify their contracts. However, in the larger scheme of things the working class did not prosper as the Bush economic plan unfolded. The problem with that is that money gravitated to business coffers and just sat there. There was no turnover of that money. Henry Ford is famous for giving his workers a good enough salary so they could afford his cars. Many businesses have not done the same with regard to their workers.
While I am not in favor of over-the-top union power, I am in favor of a more equal distribution of wealth in order to make the economy work. Redistribution of wealth is not just greed of the middle class. We have seen that a failure of some redistribution of wealth has put the middle class on its back, and that has destroyed the economy. While credit is necessary to the functioning of economies, excess credit which causes asset bubbles is destructive to the middle class who lived on borrowing to keep the economy going. Wouldn't it have been better if they had been paid better wages to strengthen the middle class purchasing power which now is waining?
It is in that context that Barak Obama is saying that unions are important. Walmart should be unionized. People who work there would shop there even more if they made a better wage. This is not rocket science folks.
So, be sure to take what the Wall Street media says about class warfare with a grain of salt and think things out.
Housing Ponzi
- Asian Stocks Fall for Second Week; Chinese Developers Lead DropBloomberg3 days ago
Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks fell for a second week, led by Chinese developers on concern the nation will step up measures to curb property speculation. Japanese banks rose on optimism they’ll have at least a decade to implement stricter capital rules.
- Hong Kong Stocks Fall to Three-Week Low; Developers, Banks DropBloomberg4 days ago
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Hong Kong’s benchmark stock index fell to a three-week low as developers slid on concern China is stepping up measures to curb property speculation, and banks declined after Fitch Ratings said their capital strength is likely to be more “strained.”
- China Property Stocks Drop Most Since August on Curbs (Update2)Bloomberg4 days ago
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- China property stocks fell the most in four months, led by Poly Real Estate Group Co. , on concern the government will step up measures to curb property speculation.
- Hong Kong Stocks Fall to Three-Week Low; Developers, Banks DropBloomberg4 days ago
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Hong Kong stocks fell, with the benchmark index set for its lowest close in three weeks. Developers slid on concern China is stepping up measures to curb property speculation, and banks declined after Fitch Ratings said their capital strength is likely to be more “strained.”
- âSizzlingâ Shanghai Homes Defy Tax, Bubble Concerns (Update1)Bloomberg4 days ago
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Gloria Gu paid $483,000 for an apartment near Shanghai’s financial district so her 3-year-old son could attend one of the city’s best kindergartens. Six months later, a similar place in her building sold for $615,000.
- China Property Stocks Drop Most Since August on Curbs (Update1)Bloomberg4 days ago
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- China property stocks fell the most in four months, led by China Vanke Co. , on concern the government will step up measures to curb property speculation.
- The Year of Living Cheaply: A RetrospectiveTime Magazine6 days ago
Here's a rehash of some of the top belt-tightening trends and "new normal" stories (along with a few personal recollections) from a the year that many of us wouldn't want to relive anytime soon...
- Morning Report: In the Big Apple, Schools Get to Choose TeachersVoice of San Diego5 days ago
In San Diego, schools can be forced to take teachers they didn't choose. It used to be that way in New York City too, until education officials launched a massive overhaul a few years ago.
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Very interesting piece.
Yeah, the people who were perceptive enough to profit from the government ponzi escaped. But most people did not. Makes the Madoff scandal look like chicken feed.
My husband was a lender then loan officer and before that managed regional loan offices for many years. We lost our home last year in Ca from all of this. So, I get it.
Thank you Deal for your support and I am distressed at what has been going on. I don't think that people realize just what a fix we are in and what it may take to get us out of it. I hope for the best and am concerned for the worst. Only time will tell. Your comment was very articulate and if you write about your experiences on hubpages you will give people comfort.
I'm impressed with your ability to write what I lived and voice what I lost, my home. To be homeless is difficult; however, being homeless with children, was impossible. I love the freedom that is protected by the Constitution, but I don't want protection for the powers-to-be that were able to pull this scheme off on such a massive scale. My experience 4 years ago, is now being experienced by some 12 million others. I was preyed upon by my divorce lawyer that steered me into purchasing my own home, since it would have been sold and divided after the divorce. I had a terrible feeling that I would not be able to keep the home. My lawyer negotiated no alimony, little child support, became the broker of my housing deal, and gained approximately $10,000 in closing costs on a contract that was packed so tightly with predatory lending clauses that I instictively knew were unethical. I was trusting a man to keep the wolves from my door, and I opened the door to the very wolf in sheep's clothing myself. The housing bubble had not burst and barely was able to sell before foreclosure; however, not without more money going to more unethical leaches. I payed $8000 to the forclosure lawyer--only being 50 days late on the mortgage in order to get my home out of hawk-- in order to sell quickly. I paid approximately $10,000 to the real estate agent to quickly sell the property. I was intuitive enough to know that I had to unload the property fast, in order to keep myself credit worthy. I was fortunate enough to pay my credit cards off, and go into cash and carry mode. Although I have been able to recover minimally, to bare necessities, because I was in the first wave of unfortunates. The poor souls now that have homes threatened with no viable help, no plan of action, no equity, no buyers, no ability to pay off other debts, no advocacy to preserve their American dream is unfortunate at best, unforgivable at worse. I help friends and acquaintances to get affordable housing, to find that these places are not even able to take applications now, due to the sheer number of people in need. I pray President Obama can place accountability on those responsible. Recovery without putting our children and grandchildren at risk of never owning their own homes. I don't want the banks to be bailed out due to mismanaging money for benifit packages--being paid off--instead of true help to the masses needing to have a place to live. I hope the ones that gained from our misfortune will experience a change in their fortunes. I do not want warfare, I want the ability to get back on my feet again. I worry so much for those that have lost everything and are at an age, unable to recover. Please continue to get the word out! "Out" those that have reaped (raped) the class that are the foundation of our society. Without the middle class, America will be class less, careless place of existence.
Yes, the class warfare is the banking class against everyone else. And I don't mean your local teller. I mean the central bankers and those wealthy people connected in to them.
It is a murky future we face. The house of cards is collapsing. It is the bankers, financiers and regulators who are to blame.
I agree generally that corporate america, particularly the banking/credit system has been fleecing the middle class. And now our tax dollars are going the the same corrupt institutions. I've always felt like I was desperately trying to get up a down elevator....now it is completely clear how futile and impossible the effort has been from the start. I have a number of wealthy friends and it amazes me even more what a different world they live in.
They couldn't say that they wanted Saddam's oil because it is a war crime to steal from a sovereign nation. That is why Jews who hold to the law of Moses, or Christians who hold to the law of Christ should be appalled. The lies were to avoid the war crime!!!! The lies were planned before 9/11. Read my stuff and you will see that this is all interconnected.
Here is another thing in the public record. The neocons wanted a 9/11 type event, a "Pearl Harbor" type event, a full year before 9/11! All this war was planned for oil. Even Afghanistan was an oil war because the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused a deal to build a pipeline through the Caspian Sea. Unocal offered them 100 Million Dollars. They instead backed Osama Bin Laden. But I believe Bush allowed and facilitated 9/11 which destroys the legitimacy of invading Afghanistan! What a web of deceit Bush wove. Or should I say, Rove.
We who are descended from the Jews should not want anything to do with war crimes. Yet many Jewish descendents like Wolfowitz were war criminals. He planned the Iraq War and lied about WMD. He was taught by Leo Strauss, a professor at the University of Chicago who was of the belief that the elite should lie to the masses. He was amoral and said all religion was for the control of people. He was a bad dude. And yet Bill Kristol, Jeb Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rove, etc. all bought into this very evil view.
I believe in separation of church and state but I don't like leaders who are devoid of conscience. The neocons molded Bush into one of their own, although he cried about his deed. See my hub titled Bush Legacy and check out the video of his OJ like meltdown.
Bgamall, I'm not as apalled as you are that a war might be motivated by greed. What I can't abide is the false reasons that were given: WMD and 9/11. If they had told Saddam, "we are attacking you because we want your oil", then maybe there would be a modicum of honor in it.
Aya, here is another little tidbit for you. do not think that the real conservatives and the neocons are the same. They are different. Pat Buchanan has written against the neocons and he says they want to provoke Russia out of greed and that they do not put security of the United States before greed and empire building. That is why Sarah Palin and Jeb Bush need to be repudiated because they are neocons.
I appreciate the support of hubbers but the truth hurts, and it is not spoken on mainstream news and these people who are ruining our nation and putting the world in jeopardy out of pure greed must be exposed.
Both statements are a matter of public record. And both statements show that the fed was wanting both petrodollars and for people to buy toxic loans. It is a condemnation of the federal reserve and of all that our financial system stood for. It is a war crime to go into Iraq for oil, it has nothing to do with any ethical system that exists in the world, either the Law of Moses or the ethics of Christ. The neocons and the federal reserve were in bed together and this lust for oil owned by another sovereign country is shameful. And then to finance this war with a total disregard of underwriting principles putting at risk the entire economic system is just one more condemnation of Alan Greenspan.
Bgamall, did Alan Greenspan really say that? I had no idea he was consulted on such matters.
I agree that it is an attack on the dollar that will help those in debt, Aya. But my point is that it is a bogus argument to say that the middle class is waging war on Wall Street. This is the deal, there was a ponzi scheme, and that same Alan Greenspan who said that Bush should secure the oil ministry in Iraq first thing also said that people need to purchase adjustable mortgages in early 2004.
My natural father was Jewish and I am adopted. I view Alan Greenspan as the Bugsy Segal of the financial community. His behavior was shameful.
Bgamall, I'm not sure that it's class warfare against any class, so much as pitting those who owe money against those who hold the debt. If you have a dollar in a bank account, and no debt, what you want is for the dollar to be worth more or at least, just as much as it does now. If you owe a dollar to someone and have no other assets, then what you want is for the dollar to go down in value, so that your debt will be reduced or erased. It doesn't matter how many or how few dollars are involved, this is what it's all about.
The government owes a lot of money, most of it to foreign holders. They want the value of the dollar to go down, so that the debt will be erased. In the process, anyone who has a dollar will lose it. It will affect the poor, the middle class and the rich in the same way. A dollar is a dollar.
Thanks Bruce. I updated it just a few minutes ago because I believe that the wild swings in interest rates could cause a destruction of demand for houses in the future.
Excellent hub. Hard hitting, opinion backed by facts. Lots of resources. Lots to think about.
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bgamall says:
11 months ago
Just remember Sandy that the mainstream media failed to even acknowledge the class warfare against the middle class by the bankers. They never use those terms because they are in bed with the bankers.