Concentration Camps in America and Bill HR 645
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Bill HR 645
What is the *!(#* is going on? Recently, legislation in the form of HR 645 was introduced that would set up a network of FEMA camps to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency. The bill also states that the camps can be used to “meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security,” a green light which many fear could mean the forced detention of American citizens in the event of widespread rioting after a national emergency or total economic collapse.
These camps can be seen on You Tube, just enter FEMA Camps or American Concentration Camps. What are our leaders planning? What kind of national emergency would provide for something like this? Are camps like these ever necessary? And what if they are not as innocent as we would like to believe, after all one of the reasons that the Jews were exterminated during World War II is because they didn't believe that it was possible. They believed that they were being sent to work camps or relocation camps...not death camps. They were wrong, dead wrong.
They say that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. We cannot act upon the belief that this could never happen here in America, that kind of logic will pave the way for atrocities like it did in Europe. One of the things that really bothers me is the propensity for evil leaders to do evil things when the economy gets bad. People become desperate and they are more than willing to cast blame on the immigrant, the poor, the vulnerable. One of the worst things that we can do is to ignore these camps and this legislation. We must raise our voices loudly and say NO to anything that would resemble a concentration camp before it's too late. There is no room for the benefit of the doubt, there is no room for naivety, there is no room for niceties. These camps have no place in America and we must speak up before it's too late.
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Glad you liked it, but more importantly is the need to wake up everyone we know.
Hello Brie, great Hub.
You know, I heard a man tonight say that we are in a repression (Obama). But if people will look a little closer they will see that what this is really all about is good old fashioned Oppression! The more that goes wrong, the more our Government will attempt to convince us that "They" alone have the answer. In fact, that is the exact words that came out of the Presidents mouth. I challenge people to show me anywhere in history where the synonym for "more Government" was not "less liberty!"
As soon as I see one I will set fire to it.
TMG
Good for you MoneyGuy
its coming
Are you just finding out about this? or have you known for awhile? I learned of these a couple of years ago and it started me on a path to awakening. I hope you are awake now; or have been, if not, here is a term to google -codex alimentarius If you haven't heard of the term or read anything about it You'll learn how all these things are tied together--. sic semper tryannis!
I just found out about this recently.
I'll look into that term.
Ummm, could you please explain the reason for denying my comment? And SirDent's one too for that matter?
Thanks for asking Misha. Mine was actually done with sarcasm anyway.
I denied yours too quickly before seeing what it was all about.
As for Misha: I never approve of comments that divert people to other sites that I have no control over.
This Bill has been in the making for years now. I heard about it a long time ago, albeit on a conspiracy theory site.
Ah, so you have to be in control. :)
Well, that explains it.
Link was to Satori's hub on the same topic and similar point of view, so your readers could have gotten more information...
Yes, on my Hub I am in control.
I love a woman who is in control. :P
I find it interesting that those who voted for Obama are sometimes referred to as "kool-aid" drinkers. that is a reference to following blindly where a leader directs. Going back to Jim Jones of 1970'2 fame.
At least the camps did not originate with him. Who were the sponsers of this bill? did it come up after the Democrats gained control of the House under Pelosi or before?
after a little research I came upon this information
Emergency Preparadness Bill Sparks Detainment Controversy by Lauren Christensen, Feb 5, 2009 (9:16pm)00
Since it was introduced on January 22, 2009, H.R. 645, or the National Emergency Centers Act has sparked a great deal of discussion and controversy over the intention of its aims. Its goals are to “provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster” and to provide locations for the purpose of training and preparedness to respond to said emergencies. According to the Bill’s sponsor Alcee Hastings, H.R. 645 was created as a result of FEMA’s inadequate response procedures during Hurricane Katrina, and nothing more. What is getting many fringe special interest groups so riled up is the forth purpose outlined in the legislation, stating “to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.”. They feel that this open-ended provision allows for the detainment of Americans against their will if presented with threats of revolt or revolution. These comments aside, I think that we can all agree that FEMA’s reactions and responses to Hurricane Katrina left something to be desired, and that the plan of action for national disasters and emergencies should be revised in some way.
Let's hope it's benevolent but plan as if it isn't because if it isn't and we do nothing it will be too late.
There’s nothing blame-worthy in being in control over your own hub. It is not like being in control over the nation. Or making the floor for this….
This info is completely new for me and I am even afraid to think about it. The first feeling is to stick your head into the sand and pretend that nothing is happening, it is this scary. If it is really what is going on, the first inhabitants of these places will be freely speaking people, a vanguard of intelligence, those who are not letting those in power to plot. History is repeating itself, that’s true and it is sad that honest people don’t have a power over it without hurting themselves. Do you know what does the abbreviation GULAG mean?
"The Gulag was the government agency that administered the penal labor camps of the Soviet Union. Gulag is the Russian acronym for The Chief Administration of Corrective Labor Camps and Colonies (Russian: Gosudarstvennoe Upravlenie LAGerei)" – from wikipedia.com
It is something to be concerned about. But I am not sure if an ordinary citizen can influence anything.
Oops, I had to revise the comment, as Cyrillic symbols didn’t display right.
It is serious mater.
But... let not be your heart troubled... I overcome the world.
clinton started to build camps and when caught he called then U.N.Training centers.Remember M.J.T.F. black helicoptors.They photographed all suburban airports and a rifle match I was at because it was near an airport.
I agree with you. You are right.
Maybe this is overraction. As someone who dealt with nautral disasters and having to live through an evacuation during the fires here in California in 2003, I believe FEMA is just trying to set aside places for people to stay during these events. After Hurricane Katrina FEMA was very unresponsive at the beginning, so maybe what people are overracting about is just a place for people to stay during natural disasters. I highly doubt that we are going to have future concentration camps in America. However, what I would be concerned about is how the Japanese-Americans and Native Americans who suffered from these type of conditions in the past never received full compensation, even though the law had provided for it.
By the way, as someone who lived through an evacuation there was no force to go to evacuation centers, but these were available and open to people who could not afford to stay in hotels or with friends.
I hope you're right. But, I don't think we can afford to err on the side of "the government is our friend and we should just trust that they are doing the right thing". The consequences of doing nothing if you are wrong are too severe.
Well I am not saying we should trust the government 100% because the people should be critical of this in a democracy. However, after Hurricane Katrina there was a need for FEMA to revamp because before then during the fires here in 2003 it was already stretched. During the fires in both 2003 and 2007 there were people staying at the old Norton Air Force Base and other evacuation centers, which are basically just places for people who do not have extra cash to stay.
These evacuation centers are by no means staying at the Ritz, but it a viable option for people who have lost their homes, or who cannot go home right away. Our family would rather stay in hotels or camp, but now I live in the valley so my family can stay with me if there is any more fire danger. All of the evacuees also had to go to the Old Norton Air Force Base to pick up their mail, so even if you did not stay at an evacuation center it was a place you had to go to pick up your mail.
Well we all know that at the time of the end ( as the bible states) the small flock of Gods chosen people will be NO PART OF THE WORLD...it wouldn't be the first time it happened. Just educate yourself. If your scared start reading the book of Revelations .
dear brie,
i was in waveland, ms. after katrina. the waveland cafe
t was initiated by deborah jones from bastop tx. and joined by rainbow family hippies. it was the
largest and most beutifully run effort on the coast of devestation. my initial focus-feed the masses,2ndly, find tools for everyone. most important duty...inform the feds we can duplicate this effort regionwide,to which mike sweeney
{chief fed} responded w/curses slander and threats...he was later arrested for embezellment.
One thing that I haven't heard anyone mention relating to this issue is the fact that the government is more consistently labeling people that believe in the Constitution, people who believe in end times prophecies, and in some cases even home-schoolers as possible domestic terrorists. Remember Obama's comment about those of us who cling to our guns and our bibles? I'm not giving up either one of mine.
Observingthefall, I wrote the article before Obama's comment.
I know. Sorry, I just thought, considering the topic, that this was an ongoing conversation and all angles are relevant. Good article by the way!
No problem...hey did you read in Infowars that they are advertising for Internment Guards? I wonder if it's time to try and find a new country.
I had been thinking of writing a hub on this matter but you have beaten me to it! Good for you and an important hub in my view!
Seems to become more relevant each day.
Brie, I have been reading a bunch about these camps lately--mighty scary stuff. Apparently they have been building them since the 80's.
It just makes you wonder why the mainline media isn't covering these at all...not even to supposedly debunk them.
What I cannot understand about this is if they do try to use them as the worst scenarios are predicting with herding millions of people into them as concentration camps how would this be reported to the rest of the world, and how would many American celebrities react, bearing in mind that many stars are very good people and often opposed to the evil things going on in the world? Would big name stars who have spoken out against the government be taken? Who would be taken to the camps and who wouldn't? And what about airlines into and out of America. At present thousands of people fly into the country from around the world for very many reasons including visiting as tourists. Would all that stop? And if it didn't who would want to risk going to a country where you can end up being imprisoned in a concentration camp? And how would the news report this? What about the rest of the world?
However, if the camps are not to be used for such terrible purposes then what are they for and why so many? I have so many questions about the matter! I cannot get my head around how such an operation could be carried out.
Boy those are good questions. But, think about Gitmo and those camps/prisons. No one really says anything about them except for every now and then, for the most part they are ignored. Celebrities don't really mention them either. If the people who are put in those camps are "marginalized" as extremists then everyone might just turn a blind eye. That's what happened with the Jews, first they were vilified then put into ghettos, then exterminated.
Yes, but I'm seeing people posting stuff like all those who oppose vaccinations will be taken to the camps and if that's right that includes celebrities, doctors and plenty of people who are not interested in conspiracies at all but still are opposed to this. It's a very wide cross section of people and same goes for political dissent. What about a star like Neil Young who brought out a record saying "Let's impeach the president" would Neil be treated as an extremist and how could they do that? Most of the sites on about these FEMA camps and people like Alex Jones are talking millions of people being herded into the trains and camps. How do you announce to a nation and the world that millions of people including your neighbours, family, friends and celebrities have all vanished because they are extremists and have been sent away to detention centres or whatever they would call the places? The more I think about it the more difficult it would seem to be to execute. It is being compared with Nazi Germany but the media as such then were far easier to use for propaganda purposes. Now the Internet means that anything that is going on and a lot of stuff that isn't is all public knowledge more or less worldwide.
I have been thinking about it and it seems more and more difficult to see how anyone could actually carry it out. And if this was being done in the US what about all the other countries?
People are already marginalized and have been for a long time but each marginalized group makes up millions of people. How could you swiftly select a group and say this particular marginalized section of society are enemies of the state or whatever? Also Germany is a small country in comparison with America.
I have a lot of problems making sense out of this but am left with the main question - well, what are these camps built for then and what are all the coffins or grave liners for and the special train carriages, all of which there are plenty of photos of and footage doing the rounds?
And is the day going to arrive that I am going to go online and find a lot of my American friends have vanished from all the social networking sites and hubpages because they have been taken away to FEMA camps? Of course, it's possible but seems very very unlikely!
It seems to me that very little investigative journalism is being done at this time in our country. Most media outlets are just lapdogs for one side of an issue or another. Real conversation is difficult because the media has been reduced to quick sound bites. The typical start of a police state is done by marginalizing and vilifying a particular group of people and uniting everyone else (or at least a majority of them) into hatred and anger towards this vilified group. Like you say, Bard, it is strange that the camps do exist--and they do. I am concerned more about the rapid loss of our willingness to do things according to the Constitution than I am about the actual existence of the camps. If we don't stop where we are headed as a nation, we will quickly disintegrate into something none of us like. For instance, what is going on with all of the Czar's our current president has as special advisors. (42 seems a little excessive. Who are they, why don't they report to anyone except the President.) Also, why do we allow the Fed Reserve to continue on. It has no legal basis--why don't we demand an audit of it. My guess is those who control it are getting a whole lot bigger bonuses than the small fish that worked at AIG. These are the questions I have. If we can get back to a situation where we live by the Constitution, we may avoid ever getting to the actual use of these camps.
Sufidreamer says:
10 months ago
Interesting Hub - loved the quote about history repeating itself. There are frightening paralells between what is going on now, and 1930's Europe. In this case, the exremism is religious rather than ideological, but the poverty and scapegoating are the same.
Thanks for bringing this up!