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CONSERVATIVES
I recently had a conversation with a Centrist ( a person who tries to stay in the middle of the squabbles between Social Liberals and Conservatives). He's a very nice man, and he said to me, "Conservatives always appear to be complaining about what they are against. I rarely hear them say what they are for!" So, I will tell you what I am for. But first, the reason it appears this way to my friend is because it is true. Since Conservatives are the defenders of Liberty, Freedom, Tradition, Custom, Virtue, Marriage, Free Market Capitalism, Religion, America and Life—this naturally casts them as those saying No! far more often than those for whom this same list represents what they want to deconstruct.
AMERICAN REALISM
Conservatives are realists. They look at the results. History is littered with the corpses of failed Utopias. A good idea is an idea that produces a good result. Many ideas that sound good in theory produce unintended deleterious consequences. For instance, the first year the Pilgrims were in America (1620) they tried collectivism. Sounded like a great idea. Still does. Here's what we'll do. We'll all work all year to plant and harvest, and at the end of the year we'll take all our crops and divide them up equally among us. Well, unfortunately, a lot of folks didn't work very hard. You see, they calculated that other people would do enough work to provide for all of them. They didn't. The colony would have starved to death had not the Indians given them food to make it through that first winter. The very next year they launched the real America. Here's what we'll do this year. Each family will get a plot of land and whatever you and your family grows is yours to keep for yourselves. They grew so much food that year that they couldn't even store it all and gave it away to the Indians to keep it from spoiling. A Conservative hopes this story needs no explication. "If you rob Peter to pay Paul you can always count on the support of Paul." George Bernard Shaw
FATHERS
I believe that marriage has served civilization well for thousands of years as the foundation of society. Every sociological study ever done has concluded that a home in which the same two parents, the father and the mother of a child, have lived together throughout the years children are living at home, produces the most successful, healthy, law abiding citizens. Therefore, the government has a stake in the promotion of the arrangement that produces the best results. Married couples should have tax advantages for having more children because maintaining the birth rate in intact homes is necessary to keep America alive. Marriage is not about sexuality; it is about a commitment to each other and to one's descendants. The removal of the Father from the family home and his replacement by the government has proved disastrous to our society. The trampling of the rights of fathers by "family courts" is a national tragedy. This is why one rarely hears anymore what once was common, "When I grow up I want to be just like my Dad," boys would say and "I hope I marry someone like my Dad," girls would say. Hard to say if you don't know who your daddy is.
THE TRUTH
I believe there is such a thing as Objective Truth. Americans have a right to have firearms to protect their families. Free market capitalism is the only mechanism that has advanced the standard of living of any people. America's experiment with meritocracy has been a resounding success. Public schools should teach children to be proud to be Americans and proud of the history of our nation. Patriotism is good. We should be proud of our military men and women. Only living human beings should be allowed to vote and only once each and in English. If they can't find the polling place, can't read the instructions, can't speak our language—they are probably not smart enough to understand policy.
VIRTUE
If the ACLU sues as a form of economic intimidation and they don't win, they should be forced to pay the legal fees of the defendants. Society has a vested interest in virtue and propriety. Certain virtuous behaviors such as honor, chastity, fidelity, and self-reliance should be promoted; and vicious, licentious, libertine behaviors discouraged. Private charity and faith-based charity is far more effective than a bureaucracy. I am for equal opportunity but to try to engineer equal outcomes is ludicrous folly. Invention and Innovation thrive with less regulation. People should be responsible for their own lives including the consequences of their own behaviors, and not infantilized. The Supreme Court should interpret what law means but under no circumstances create law. Bureaucracies need to be reduced in number, size and authority. Immigrants should only come to this country legally; it should be based on what they have to offer America; and the birthright of citizenship to children of illegal immigrants should be abolished. Universities should be tolerant of student's views even if they are Conservative, or even if they are based on a Christian worldview. Nuclear power should be ramped up as quickly as possible. Private citizens should decide for themselves what charities, causes and arts they want to support with their hard-earned wages.
FOUNDING FATHERS
Our Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion. The First Amendment only prohibits the United States Congress from expressly declaring by national law that all citizens must follow a specific religion—in particular a specific denomination of Christianity. The states were free to do so within the confines of their state boundaries. There is no separation of church and state in our constitution and the term itself, as invented by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a pastor, means the state is to be prevented from interfering with religion not that religion is to be prevented from involvement with politics and social issues. The rich spiritual and religious heritage of our nation should be affirmed. Political scientists have documented that the most frequently cited source in the political period known as The Founding Era was the Bible. Congress approved the Declaration of Independence with its 4 direct religious acknowledgments referring to God as the Creator. "Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible." "It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors." George Washington. If any Radical Liberal living today is a better leader, more honorable, more virtuous, or more intelligent person than President Washington, please stand up. (By the way, it wasn't just Washington who said these sorts of things about how a religious, virtuous citizenry was essential to maintain a democracy. There are 1000 quotes by the Founding Fathers that are similar. In fact, I may do a hub of just these quotes because this fact has been obscured by postmodern school curriculums.)
VIRTUES
Life is precious and begins at conception. If someone willingly has sex they should accept the responsibility for the natural outcome of reproduction.
CONSERVATIVE
Conservatives are people who give twice as much of their income to charity than Social Liberals. Conservatives are twice as likely to declare themselves as happy according to recent polls. Conservatives are twice as likely to be optimistic about the future. Conservatives attend church more than Social Liberals by a 9 to 1 ratio. Conservatives display the American flag more often than Social Liberals by a 12 to 1 margin. In view of all I have written above, I am proud to call myself a Conservative American Patriot.
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Bravo! Great point on collectivism. I wish we could go back and undo all the damage done to our Constitution. The Statists have been chipping away at our rights and freedoms for Centuries . Like Al-queda ,they are very patient and methodical. Maybe this time they have miscalculated by trying to jamb it all down our throats at once. The damage and intentions are obvious and plain to see by all.
Good words......As someone who thinks of himself as a conservative, I agree with what you say here.
Great HUB James. It shows your personal opinion is based on deep research on the subject. A lot of eyes will read this work.
I am proud to be an American and a conservative. The points you have summed up here, James are right on and I being one who one who exercises honesty, energy, economy and systematic behavior finds himself in agreement.
Truly an excellent Hub!
Philipo— Thank you!
DK5— Excellent commentary, friend. Thanks for adding to the conversation. I hope not too many of our citizens are lulled to sleep by the swaddling of our government.
braudboy— I appreciate the affirmation.
RFD— I am humbled by you comments. Thank you very much.
douglas— Hmmm . . . you make great points here, sir. I like what you said. Thanks for reading and leaving word.
Harvey Stelman— Coming from a true American Patriot as yourself, I appreciate the compliment!
Yet another well-thought-out and well-prepared hub. You never cease to amaze me!
advisor4qb— I never cease to amaze myself!
just kidding :D
Thanks for the accolade.
Well written - a very clear and concise hub with great information.
Straight-forward piece that well defines conservative thinking.
This is an excellent summary of not only the core conservative values and beliefs, but of why the United States was founded. I love the quote you put in by George Washington on how it takes both God and the Bible to rightly govern (I have it on a T-shirt). Your section on virtue reminds me of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. Although I don't agree with most of her philosophical principles, her portrayal responisiblity (or lack thereof) and the economic circumstances are really prophetic of where today's liberal government is taking our country.
Maybe you hould run for office?
James - as long as we have people like you in America, we'll do ok. Thanks, once again, for a concise and well-written treatise on what's most important. Here's to you!! :)
As a Brit I can simply say this is an interesting, well written Hub. Are your conservatives the same as our Conservative / Tory party in the UK. I don't think they are quite the same, are they?
Great hub James, Now if we could only get the libs to read it, which most won't, but will still sit back and call the conservatives names. But I will reference this hub every time I can. In fact, I know of a few hubs I commented on that I may go back and link to this hub.
Thanks again and think of running for Office! But remember to stay away from the corruption there.
Ethel, I think your conservatives still think of George Washington as a trader. So we have to work these things out.
Keep on Hubbing!
Cari Jean— I do thank you for saying so. Welcome to the community.
Hxprof— I appreciate you for reading this piece and leaving your comment.
Excellent hub, James. You know my perspective differs from yours in some respects (though I'm not sure you know what mine is yet), but your statement is very clear, and I appreciate it. Your friends are right. You are a man of promise.
FreedomChic1776— What with your stage name it makes sense you would like this one. :D
You have a quote from George on a t-shirt? Now that is impressive. I love it when I find another person that actually understands history. I am with you on Ayn. Compelling theorist, to be sure.
Thank you so much for your observations.
Gypsy Willow— If they promise not to look in my closet for skeletons I will run! :D
Thanks for your comment. It's nice to see you here.
Madame X— You are welcome and thank you for the encouraging affirmation.
ethel smith— I think they have similarities but they're not exactly the same. I know that Reagan and Mrs. Thatcher were on the same page. That's for sure.
Thank you for your kind words.
eovery— I think a liberal lurker has been here and hates this Hub. A few hours ago the Hub score was 60. Now I come back and it's 38! 38!!! I have never seen a score that low. Someone must be hitting the thumbs down button once a minute.
Where were we . . . Thank you for reading my Hub today and leaving your comments.
Man, that is upsetting.
Steve Rensch— Thank you, Steve. You are the person in the first sentence I wrote this Hub for. :D
James - just hit the Up button - after all, we gotta fight back!
This Hub deserves so much better than a 38 score - thumbs up all the way. An excellent description of conservative values. It helps us non-US folks understand you all a little better, a good thing :)
James do not worry about the 38 score.....what you are doing is wonderful and yu are building a following. When is the book coming out? Roman
Hi James. Thank you for this clear, concise and very articulate hub. It is wonderful to have a philosophy laid out so clearly. I cannot think of anything in here that would incite attack. This is what you and fellow conservatives believe. It's very refreshing to hear it posited in such a positive way rather than shrilly and reactively.
I have two questions, tho:
1. Where did you get this stat: "Conservatives are people who give twice as much of their income to charity than Social Liberals." Just curious and wonder if it is tied to income level. If you are making six figures you have more to donate...
2. I am also curious to know why you use the term "Conservatives" solo without a modifier whereas you define the opposite as "SOCIAL Liberals." In truth, your definition covers not only social issues by economic issues. It is possible to be a social liberal and a fiscal conservative -- although not very practical when you think about it:-).
Anyway, I'm not here looking for a fight or to represent any opinion. I'm here to congratulate you on a well-thought-out, well-written piece. Thumbs up! MM
Wow. A "Centrist"! I don't know whether I am supposed to be insulted because I don't know what it means. But either way, I don't mind being your foil.
The reason we see things differently is not that we reside at different places on the liberal-conservative scale, but rather that your focus is political and mine is not. I engage you because I respect your passion and integrity and recoil at times from your dogmatism. And because you're not afraid of a respectful but vigorous fight. But I have no political beliefs from which my comments spring. Rather, my reactions spring from a non-denominational spiritual position. In a world that is largely denominational, both religious and secular, I have a hard time fitting sometimes. Is that a Centrist?
James,
It certainly deserves higher than 38. Once again I like this Mr. Rensch for his honesty and willingness to joust with you. I know you are up to the task, but I mentioned it before. Politics on either side may not be the answer, but the overall beliefs of a conservative are a better fit for a better life.
James - I have noticed that a lot of new Hubs have very low scores - maybe there is a time delay from the lower overall traffic over the Independence Day weekend. Hopefully, your score will climb in a couple of days :)
Well done Jim. Anyone doubting our founding fathers intentions regarding religion should check out David Barton. He's a historian/minister who can really bring it together!
James.....I'll vote for you in whatever office you run!
Oh James! You did it again! Excellent and well written hub regarding conservative values.
To the lady who thinks that higher income people donate more....just the opposite (with some exceptions, of course). Primarily middle to low income people share more of what they have with others. And this has nothing to do with politics...just the nature of people, I guess.
I absolutely agree that people who are alive should be the ones voting. LOL
If you don't mind, I am going to link this excellent hub to the couple I have written regarding politics. This should give people something to ponder.
At the rate the government is taking over things, we will soon be losing much of our traditional independence if nothing is done to stop it.
You would offer a refreshing change of pace if you would enter the political arena. Too bad people do not go into it for a couple of terms and do their all for good of country and then return to their normal way of making a living and give the next person a chance. No lifetime pensions........pay into social security like the rest of us.........etc.
Any chance of this? Let me have my dreams!
You'll get a thumbs up from me. Forget the score. Think of this as helping America!
Very interesting....and well put. When need someone like you as an advocate for Conservatives.....keep spreading your wisdom, it just may sink into a mind that needs direction.
Madame X— Thanks for the tip!
Sufidreamer— Thank you for your gracious words. If I have accomplished that, then I am happy, score or no score. I am glad you read it and left word. I know you are a very popular Hubber.
Roman! I haven't heard from you in a long time, my friend. The score was just startling. I look at these scores all the time and it's the lowest one I have ever seen on any Hub—and I read about 50 of them a day. So, either the Hub Pages company doesn't like it and someone left their thumb on the "thumbs down." But, thanks for commenting! Nice to hear from you again.
Mighty Mom—You are mighty welcome. Thank you very much for the compliments! Your questions are fine and warranted. I read the charity statistics a couple months ago in a magazine and put it on a sticky note for later use, as I am wont to do; and then in the last few days saw it again somewhere on line. A quick Google search shows the first result as a study done 3 years ago by at Syracuse University by Professor Brooks that shows Conservatives give 36% more; and also volunteer their time and give blood more as well. I know John Stossel has reported on it. It seems like it was $2,000 per year versus $1,000 per year. I can try to track it down for you, if you like. And Liberals don't make less money than Conservatives—Liberals make 6% more than Conservatives and do not have as many kids to support either. The reason I used "Social Liberals" is because most younger people don't understand that the word Liberal in no way means what the Democratic Party stands for. Republicans are "Liberals" in the classic sense of the word. So, I thought about using Progressives. I looked around on the net and found an article explaining this confusing application of the word Liberal, as in Liberal Education, Liberal political philosophy—I did n't want to go to the word "Radical." I found many articles about it that might be inflammatory but here is a mellow entry from Wikipedia: Social liberalism versus classical liberalism Classical liberalism believes that the provision of negative freedom constitutes liberty and is therefore a strictly laissez-faire philosophy. Social liberalism, however, sees a role for the State in providing positive liberty for individuals.[21] They believe that lack of positive rights, such as economic opportunity, education, health-care, and so on can be considered to be threats to liberty.[8] Classical liberals, such as Robert Nozick, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman,[22] reject social liberalism as a true liberalism. For these authors, government interfering in the market is destroying freedom and doing this to make people free is self-contradictory.[3] Some, such as Nozick, also consider the government to have no duty to intervene in society to aid the disadvantaged as this means taking wealth from others (as taxes), while Hayek and Friedman considered there to be a fairly limited role for government provision of a guaranteed minimum income (such as Friedman's support for a negative income tax). For the classic liberals, government interventions were only justified to provide a public good or to prevent absolute, but not relative, poverty. Social liberalism moves in a different direction from classical liberalism in one significant way: it supports a commitment to lowering income inequality. The fundamental idea is that the excessive concentration of wealth and power constitute a threat to political freedom. Poverty and large wealth gaps are themselves threats to freedom because they tend to produce self-perpetuating oligarchies who buy up the political system. On the other side, democracy tends towards the dispersal of power, which means it safeguards liberty, according to social liberals.
Steve Rensch— I think so. Being called a Centrist is a compliment. Politicians on both extremes like to call themselves a Centrist because it brings to mind someone who gets along with everybody and is a peacemaker or coalition builder. I appreciate our engagements. And coming from the spiritual world is the very best place to come from, in my dogmatic opinion. :D
Robert— I like Steve, too. Thank you for visiting and leaving your comments.
Sufidreamer— Thanks for the encouragement. I was about to leave town with my hat in my hand. :-)
John Baker— Thank you, Brother. I am not familiar with Barton but I am going to check him out right now. Thanks for the comments, especially that tip.
Jmell— With you behind me, how can I lose?! I am thinking about the US Senate seat being vacated by Mel Martinez, whom I know, but would settle for the congressional seat where I live, which voted in a Democrat for the first time in maybe 30 years last time around and the guy is not very popular.
Peggy W— In the beginning it was as you describe—citizens doing a term or two and going right back to whatever they did before. I should do a bit of research about when these lifetime pensions came into the picture and when people became politicians as a career.
I will be honored to have you link this anywhere you like. Yea, those live voters have a bit more common sense. I grew up near Chicago and the Democrats there would tell people openly, vote early and vote often!
I appreciate your kindness in leaving these remarks. You are genteel.
Terah— How very nice to hear from you. Thank you for reading and your gracious words. You never know!
James this particular hub Is a prime example of why I am such a fan of yours . I cannot possibly add to any of the previous posts that are already here. It Is well thought out , non conforntational , and presented In a cogent and articulate fashion . Nicely done !
EXCELLENT!
Thank you!
HEY JAMES...i DON;T THINK I CAN ADD ANYTHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN SAID UNLESS I GET A HEADACHE DOING SO.
GOOD JOB BROTHER...IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES WE SHOULD COPY / PASTE ALL THE COMMENTS AND MAKE IT A HUB...LOL!!!
quietnessandtrust— Thank you for showing your appreciation. There has been some fine commentary in here, for sure. I'm glad you visited this page.
This was an amazing hub. I recognize a kindred conservative patriot! Bravo, great hub! You are an American Patriot!
pmm349— Thanks for the laudations! I am a patriot. And you are, too! I appreciate you for reading and commenting. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community.
Couldn't agree more. Great Hub! Maybe you should come back to Michigan and run for Gov! Granholm's out next election cycle.
comp3820— I backed DeVos last time and thought he'd win. I would enjoy being the Governor of Michigan. That's a thought! I thought Engler performed admirably.
Thank you for the accolades!
Hi James - you are well spoken and written and you make me want to write another side to your opinion - I think I'll start working on it in the morning. I read a lot of history and you are only telling part of the story. Some of the founding fathers were terribly concerned about the "God" reference and some were basically agnostics. I personally am a Christian but I prefer my government be secular. My husband is an agnostic and is the most 'giving, thoughtful, loving, considerate, hard working, non-egocentrical person I know. So, I know that 'values' is not owned exclusively by religious people. I would love to know the source of the statistics you quoted.
If we don't have ideals where would we be? I think that striving for ideal we achieve acceptable - in starting with acceptable we sink to levels below where we can achieve.
I read about the pilgrims and your portrayal is very elementary and would probably insult them if they were around to defend themselves. These people all worked very hard and there were no 'slackers'. Unfortunately many of the pilgrims died in the first winter in the U.S. I don't think your comment about why they needed help from the Indians is at all accurate.
I find your post to continue to push division between Americans who should now be united for a country that can provide opportunity for all it's citizens. I find it interesting that we provided so well for a generation after WWII with good jobs, labor unions and protectionist policies but just as they are retiring we needed cheap goods so those retirement monies can go farther. That generation had it all: Job security, Retirement (not gambling in 401(k), decent salaries that paid for an entire family to live on one income and all the rest. The generation I am in will never have any of those wonderful securities.
It's alright, if one of the European countries will take me - I'd go back on the boat to a country that understands that money spent providing health care for its citizens is better than spending money bombing unknowing citzens of other countries any day.
Now I am motivated to do my own research and write my own point.
Muse Peggy—It is pleasing to meet another history buff. I am glad you read my article and left your intelligent commentary. Thank you.
The information about the Pilgrims comes from "Of Plymouth Plantation" by John Winthrop.
I have 20 books on the Founding Fathers, individually and collectively, and have never heard a single comment describing any one of them as an agnostic. Jefferson and Franklin were Theists, true. Their only beef with religion stems from The Church of England, where during their time attendance and tithing were compulsory. 12 of the original 13 colonies had a state denomination and God is all over each of their state constitutions.
So if I am defending the American values that made this the greatest nation in the history of the earth, I am dividing? No. Those attempting to deconstruct America are dividing. They are offending. I am defending. There is a big difference.
Our generation will not have "those securities" provided by unions—because those securities have driven most of the manufacturing out of the country. Check out my Hub "Unions killed Michigan" for more understanding of what I mean. At the least, it will provide more ammo for your rebutting Hub. :D
In fact, I have other Hubs called "liberty lost in America" "national health care" "America is two nations" "the progressive movement" that taken as a whole will either illuminate the sum of what I am saying or give you plenty to take me to task for. They all relate to what you say in your comments.
OH, and I can source the statistics—all of them? Or which ones? Got them all from Google searches.
Fascinating hub - I agree, it's good to see a positive take on all this, as American conservatives can seem a bit negative.
John Winthrop is an interesting man - he wasn't against the Church of England's enforcement of taxes and standards, as I understand it, rather he was against their version of them, and sought to impose his own.
LondonGirl— Why, thank you very much! Winthrop is a fascinating figure. And the Puritans certainly had social standards and ethics and morals. I would say, their experiment was a resounding success.
It is always nice when you stop by. I appreciate your thoughtful comments.
Wonderful and highly informative Hub...You have a new fan...I really appreciate clarity, and your Hubs are loaded with it...and honesty...and intelligence.
Thank you
maven101— Thank you, sir! It feels good to be affirmed and appreciated.
I have two of your Hubs bookmarked to read ASAP (Philosophy in Film & Alexander).
Well, James, it's nice to see a Conservative pointing out exactly what a Conservative looks like. We all see sound bites and, depending on which side of the issue you stand, they are either nasty or telling. I don't like sound bites because they cheapen the dialogue. You've aoided them completely, so congratulations.
You and I have disagreed on other topics and if you are saying that some of the values and virtues you point out are strictly or only found among Conservatives, then I disagree. If not, then I misunderstood.
I also disagree that the world should be divided up into Conservatives and Liberals. That is a very American and short-sighted opinion. It may describe politics within the U.S. but does not really approach other political diversity out here in the rest of the world.
Still, great hub in that it explains a lot about why Conservatives are as they are.
Ivan the Terrible— Thank you very much for your thoughtful commentary. I agree with you, there is a wide range of political thought across the spectrum. Or shall we say from Anarchy to Stalin to John Birch to Theocracy? :-)
I appreciate you reading and leaving kind word. Thanks.
James, you've not only described a true liberating Conservative, but you've described what any self-respecting person should be, who also professes to respect others.
Thank you.
Joy At Home— I am grinnin' from ear to ear. I just love what you said here. Thank you very much for saying it. And you are welcome.
James-Very good hub. I only see one possible flaw. You have used far too much logic and too many persuasive arguments which have their roots in truth! Logic and truth are to liberals as garlic might be to vampires. You will probably not get very many full frontal assaults from those on the left as comments on this partucular hub, however, the down button might actually be their tool for disagreement instead of a rational comment.
Well written and well presented.
the spectator— Ah yes. Logic and Truth. That is the rub, isn't it? The fly in the ointment.
Thank you for your incisive comments. I have bookmarked your Hubs to read later today. Your titles are intriguing. And I am a subscriber to the "American Spectator." Any relation?
James A. Watkins, I enjoyed your hub, and I share your views on the economy, though not necessarily on traditional values. I am a libertarian, so I would prefer to keep the government out of people's personal lives.
As a point of information: not every baby comes from sex. Some do and some don't, and you can't tell which are which by looking at them. They are all beautiful, and they all represent the future.
James-No relation to the "American Spectator". I used to subscribe several years ago. It was a groundbreaking publication then, I haven't seen a copy in quite a while; hope they still are in the same vein and have not succumbed to commercialism the way other 'conservative' publications have.
I just thought the title was apt. I am person in the bleachers watching and analysing what I see being played out on the field of politics, society and the selling out of America by the elite media, special groups and interests and career politicians.
Aya Katz— Libertarians are alright with me. And yes, I agree with you that babies can come in other ways and every one is precious and beautiful. Thanks for the fine comments and visiting me today.
the spectator— Well, there is plenty to see from there. The grandstand. American Spectator is sharp; and witty in places, too. I enjoy it. Based on your comments, perhaps you might enjoy some of my other Hubs, "Unions killed Michigan" "Liberty Lost in America" "Progressives" "America is two Nations" maybe even "Dr. Johnson"
Thanks for coming back. I intend you read your work as well.
Another educational hub, you are filling in the ALL the years of history I was not taught except for 2 at a Christian middle school. They try to keep us ignorant, and you are pushing back the darkness in my mind - thank you.
I need to make a comment about perspective. I think that no matter what we say, (the truth), followers of Satan, (many of whom are on the liberal side of things), will eagerly try to destroy the truth with lies. Last year, it became popular to talk about the good old Reagan days. From all I heard, he was a real conservative and also a defender of equality and peace. It wasn't long until I heard liberal stations and as a result liberals I talked to repeat how terrible Reagan was. It is for this reason I turn off my ears to anything negative about popular figures, even people like Obama, except for glaring errors like allowing stem cell research, and look at the positives instead. I am glad to read something incredibly positive about Washington here, and I know you know your stuff, so I am satisfied it is the truth. On the things you write about that I do know, you are right on with the facts even if I don't always totally agree on a few things with you on principle.
The point I am making is that you have encouraged me with this hub that good and even Godly information / truth can still be taught and should be taught, even when a multitude of liars come to muddy the waters and distract those that are easily tempted and swayed. That's also why I am writing this long comment, not just to compliment you but to bring the fact forward that when we open our mouths and speak the truth instead of keeping them shut, we WILL have an effect on the world.
I may not be able to get to all of your hubs, but I try and when I do, I am always blessed.
Loved it. One of my favorite parts was about beleiving in having a equal playing field but trying to enginer a equal outcome is ludacris. Very true.
Alexander Mark— In this busy world, I am grateful you have taken the time to read my work and leave your wise commentary. I believe Reagan to be one of our greatest Presidents ever. You had to have been there. After Jimmy Carter, inflation and interest rates were near all time highs in our nation's history. There was a lot of talk that we would never be prosperous again, that the "Fall of America" had begun. Reagan turned the whole country around and helped free hundreds of millions of people from behind the iron curtain. Those on the dark side will never compliment anybody opposed to killing babies. That is their shibboleth that cannot be brooked. To me, it is sad to identify yourself with the death of the innocent as your lodestone.
WTucker— Well, thank you very much! If you equal outcomes you must penalize those who are achievers and that ruins the motivations of your citizens to do their best. I appreciate the visit this morning.
I appreciate this well-written article on the positive viewpoint of Conservatives. While perhaps you and others may think it audacious of me I do have a problem with the quote of George Washington.
While America's first President is totally correct here: "Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible." "It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
---the AUTONOMY factor as outlined by both the Constitution and The Bible prevents government and The Church (respectively) from being able to totally legislate morality in a secular society like these United States and in the secular world when it comes to individual rights and freedom of choice issues.
God Himself doesn't impose on people's autonomy, so why should The Church attempt to do so, especially in a free democratic society such as ours?
I believe this is at least one reason why God Himself demands a separation between Church and State (even though no such designation is in the Constitution), because only within the confines of a theocratic society such as ancient Israel or our current day church properties can God's laws be governed effectively.
And before I go, while I appreciate the positive attributes of Conservatives that you've listed here, without the intent to provoke or antagonize anyone, I have a question. In your honest opinion, can you explain why the hate groups like skinheads and KKK tend to always vote with the Conservatives?
thefount— I have never seen nor heard any statistics on the voting patterns of the KKK or skinheads. My understanding is that the KKK were solid voters for the Democratic party until they faded from the scene after the 1960s. George Wallace was a Democrat, of course. May I ask the source of your assertion?
thefount— In addition, I have not heard anyone mention imposing a theocracy on America. Iran is a theocracy. Was America a theocracy in 1800? 1900? 1950?
No one is obligated to agree with President Washington, or even to like him. I like him and I agree with him.
As far as imposition on personal autonomy, the Federal Laws alone cover 75,000 pages. Add to that over 100,000 federal laws that are called "regulations" and all the state and local laws and ordinances and I would have to conclude the State is imposing itself on individual autonomy from where I am sitting.
Even though I may not agree with everything you state, I respect your viewpoints and appreciate your presentation.
At best, I believe the State is only reflecting man's law which in some cases mirrors God's law and in some cases does not. My issue has to do with the legislation of morality when it comes to freedom of choice issues such as homosexual marriage.
This is an autonomous choice that the State is already having great difficulty stopping- because of man's whimsical nature and the sheer increase of people believing homosexual marriage is ok in society.
As far as Iran being a theocracy, their 'god' is not the same as ours or that of ancient Israel. So I am reluctant to call it a real theocracy.
And when it comes to skinheads and KKK voting trends, you're right, they used to vote Democrat but even in the last presidential election they were seen at McCain's rallies.
Why do you suppose McCain's home state of Arizona and Reagan were against nationalizing a holiday for Martin Luther King Jr.?
thefount— The only Federal Holidays for individuals before MLK were two: George Washington—the founder of the greatest nation on earth; and Columbus—who I know is out of favor but he was the greatest explorer in history and his discoveries led to a whole New World. I don't think MLK has that stature. I think he was a great man who did great things but our country has been blessed with plenty of those. FDR for instance led us out of the National Depression and the greatest conflict in history. He doesn't get a day.
I Googled skinheads at McCain rally and found that on the tag line of many links but in the actual stories there weren't any. Please provide the link showing skinheads or the KKK at a McCain rally.
Iran calls itself a theocracy so I can't imagine why you don't. It is run by the Ayatollah. I thought everybody knew that.
Homosexual marriage is an oxymoron. Marriage is a word with a definition. This is not about "rights"; it is about perverting the English Language.
Ancient Israel was a Kingdom, not a theocracy. As in King David, King Solomon.
Mr. Watkins,
According to the Bible ancient Israel was a God-governed theocracy before the people insisted they be governed by kings like the other nations.
As far as skinhead/kkk being at McCain's rallies, whether you believe me or not is of no real concern to me, but I followed the election on a daily basis and am a witness to the news stories of how even McCain had to calm down certain ones at his rallies from making hateful racist comments. There's no need to debate that point.
But since you believe a MLK Jr. holiday is inappropriate, are you one of those who ignores the holiday and works full speed ahead as if the holiday doesn't exist, or you protest it's existence - which one is it?
The skinhead story is not true.
I ignore it, yes. I do not protest it, no. I'm not even opposed to it. I think it is a fine thing to give black folks some extra pride. But I do see why not everybody was for it in the beginning. To be for it, one would have to believe MLK was either the 2nd greatest American in history—or equal in our history to President Washington. Is THAT what you think?
No, but I don't agree with President Reagan either who when asked why he was against nationalizing the holiday said he didn't believe criminals should be glorified....
He did? Boy, you come up with the wildest supposed facts. But I have asked you back many of them up and you have yet to do so in one single case.
Can you produce a link to President Reagan saying this, by anyone besides yourself?
Yeah, hard to believe isn't it? You and I both know there was no internet at that time. People who were around at the time, people who were socially aware know about it - but you want an internet link? Come on Mr. Watkins! I don't care if you believe me or not, because your disbelief changes nothing.
No internet?! WTF! Are you kidding me!? I can find quotes from Thucydides from 460 BC on the internet. Are you saying they had the internet then? So surely you can find this quote by Reagan IF HE SAID IT.
It does change something—it makes you a liar. And a total fraud—impersonating a minister why you try to lead people astray. I know your name: Beelzebub
Whatever you say is right. See ya Watkins.
Even if the 'net doesn't carry such a quote, that doesn't mean it never happened, and anybody doing a word search can find out that Reagan was originally opposed to the MLK holiday, and that he thought King was a communist.
And you think that White Supremecists don't side with the Conservatives? You say it never happened? Who's the liar now Watkins? What a complete joke considering you know how easy it is to find stuff on the 'net. Mr. "if it really happened it would be on the 'net"
But then again, the 'net is not all-knowing the way you imply now is it?
I won't bother you anymore in this regard. Thanks for your time.
The public and private records of the words spoken or written by Ronald Reagan number in the millions and are accessible to all of us. If you can't produce the quote you reference, you are lying. Sorry.
I do hope you have an exorcism soon, because this is not you speaking.
Sucker head fish eyed fool.
I, too, proudly call myself a conservative. Even though I am an Agnostic, I still respect the fact that our founding fathers were strong enough in their beliefs to forge a new country, and were proud enough to stand up and say so. I will never deny the importance of religion in this country.
You are a masterful writer, sir. This is a great hub, and a few spots gave me goosebumps. It was my honor to read this.
puppascott— I humbly accept your gracious compliments, sir. Thank you very much. I enjoyed your remarks and I appreciate you taking the time to read my piece.
Just one more thing Mr. Watkins - if I'm such a terrible wretched and lost sinner the way you describe, as a Christian who loves God and who loves lost sinners whom God has created, where is your concern for me as one who is potentially destined to perish in a burning hell forever?
Where is your loving persuasion towards Christ? Evidently, rudeness, name-calling and condemnation is the best you can come up with to save such a lost sinner as me.
“A brother offended is harder to be won over than a strong city, and [their] contentions separate them like the bars of a castle. Proverbs 18:19” (AMP)
Thank you for proving my point. Your whole approach towards somebody who just happens to disagree with you is totally WHACK
Awesome hub. Now I know why I joined your fan club in the first place, LOL!
thefount— You have misunderstood. You did not raise my ire by disagreeing with me. I can accept disagreement. I will not tolerate bald faced lying—for one reason. There are a lot of people in these Hubs who won't know the difference. I am a guardian of the Truth. That is my Calling. I didn't choose it—it chose me.
You came in here pretending to be a Baptist Minister, which you are not. Not much is worse than a false teacher claiming to speak from the pulpit, espousing why sin is great and should be honored.
Then you made numerous outrageous claims, which I gave you ample opportunity to provide your source and nary a one could you do so. Misinformation is a dangerous thing. But it is nothing personal against you. I am concerned about your Spiritual state. Because if you ask me, this was not even you talking.
curiozities— Thank you for joining my Fan Club, my fellow Floridian. I look forward to reading your work soon. I appreciate your comments.
James - As a conservative's view of conservatism, this hub rates very highly. It also illustrates the generality that the truths people tell about themselves are selected to show them in the best light. The world might be a better place if we all promoted what we know and understand and desisted from attacking each other.
Paraglider— Thank you. I agree most folks try to show themselves and their world view in the best light. And your last sentence is certainly true. Thank you for your wise words.
What a great post. I absolutely loved it. It shows exactly what conservatives are all about.
Carmen— Well, thank you! I am pleased that you enjoyed it. Thanks for the visit.
Well done James, thank you for this hub.
spiderpam—Thank you very much. And you are welcome. I always enjoy reading your Hubs very much.
To the author. Amen! my brother hubber! :)
jaynap01— Thank you for the affirmation!
If you are serious about running for office then do not let whatever skeletons are in your closet deter you. The attempt to derail political aspirations because of past mistakes is truly insidious! It occurs on both sides of the political fence and just for the most part needs to be ignored, Im not saying that Charles Manson should run for office but a guy with a possession of pot charge should not be excluded. These are things people can learn from and most grow because of them. I would rather vote for someone who said he had been a crackhead than somebody who lied about being one, the greater offense to me is the attempt to cover up ones mistakes.
And for those who may read this and think I may sound a little different than most conservatives, never forget I am 5 miles to the right of Attila the Hun!
A Texan— :D
I've never hurt anybody; no Charles Manson. :) I haven't done anything worse than Obama admitted to; let's put it that way. :-)
I agree it shouldn't matter. And I am thinking about it. I just heard about a group called "American Majority" that is trying to help first-timers run for office. I haven't checked them out yet, but I plan to peruse their web site today. My father wants me to run for the U.S. Senate but having never even been a dog catcher I think maybe Congressman might be more realistic.
Just to the right of Attila? That is fairly right-wing alright! Thanks for reading and commenting. I'm going to read some more of your Hubs this weekend.
Again great hub, James.
Thank you, Vladimir. I appreciate you.
Great Hub James, I've been busy reading your hubs all morning. I've learned a great deal. I am proud to be a true conservative and you defined how I feel, an what I believe in. Comments from the different hubs i've read- We are living in the time where people call the truth a lie and lies the truth. I do so hope you become a Senator that will be great for our Country! Seeing how busy you are I am touched you've found time to read some of mine and even help me oout!
As far as giving goes most christians learn eary how much more blesssed it is to give than receive. And being kind and virtuous have their own rewards in our hearts. Reading Gods Word causes us to be in tune with God and even angels. Being a great believer in gratitude to God for all His wonderful graces and mercies blesses the soul. At least we can still voice our opinions and revoice the opinions of our predecessors. I personally believe God has given satan the permission to ruin our Country to get us more involved so we can fight to retain our freedoms and begin to fight to get things restored to previous times, as you've pointed out in other hubs. Obama won't make a decision on Afganistan yet he wages war on Fox news. i'll never understand liberals. Except that they are being decieved by satan. he is a liar and the father of lies. I find that they've learned this from school. They think they are too intellectual to believe in our God. The height of arrogance. The most valuable thing I hold most dear is my relationship with Jesus Christ. I pray and I know God hears from heaven. I've really enjoyed your hubs James and I hope you keep them coming. God bless you
linda-patriot— Thank you! I just love your comments here. This could be the basis of a great hub! Liberals do learn it from school; they are extremely prideful; and they are deceived by Satan—who they don't believe exists: and therein lies the prime problem. Thank you so much for your support and these comments. I enjoy your Hubs, too. God Bless!
Philipo says:
6 months ago
Nice and educative hub.